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	<title>Comments on: Mets Should Continue to Take Things Slow with Matt Harvey</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Pomes</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/03/mets-should-continue-to-take-things-slow-with-matt-harvey.html#comment-232210</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Pomes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Harvey has a great spring I don&#039;t see why they shouldn&#039;t bring him up. Many said last year that single A looked too easy for him. Backman his manager in Double A said Harvey was ready to be a September call-up. He has options so if MLB is too hard for him they can send him back down with a knowledge of what he has to work on to get back to the show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Harvey has a great spring I don&#8217;t see why they shouldn&#8217;t bring him up. Many said last year that single A looked too easy for him. Backman his manager in Double A said Harvey was ready to be a September call-up. He has options so if MLB is too hard for him they can send him back down with a knowledge of what he has to work on to get back to the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exceeding expectations?? He has impressed for sure, but he still only started 12 games at Double-A last year, logging just 59.2 innings. He certainly exceeded expectations at Single-A St. Lucie, hence the mid-season move to Bingo, but 5-3 with a 4.53 era leaves me wanting to see more from him here. The biggest jump, besides the jump to the majors, is moving up from Single-A to Double-A. He certainly started to settle in more by the end of his season at Bingo, but he still needs to log some more experience at the higher minor league levels in order to earn a spot in the majors. I don&#039;t care if he is lights out in spring training this year, he still needs to go back to the minors and show he can be consistent across Double-A and Triple-A first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exceeding expectations?? He has impressed for sure, but he still only started 12 games at Double-A last year, logging just 59.2 innings. He certainly exceeded expectations at Single-A St. Lucie, hence the mid-season move to Bingo, but 5-3 with a 4.53 era leaves me wanting to see more from him here. The biggest jump, besides the jump to the majors, is moving up from Single-A to Double-A. He certainly started to settle in more by the end of his season at Bingo, but he still needs to log some more experience at the higher minor league levels in order to earn a spot in the majors. I don&#8217;t care if he is lights out in spring training this year, he still needs to go back to the minors and show he can be consistent across Double-A and Triple-A first.</p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally disagree with this post. If the kid can prove he is ready to make the jump than let him make the jump. So far he&#039;s done nothing but exceed expectations at each level. If that continues through May, and he&#039;s an upgrade over Dillon Gee or Mike Pelfrey than bring him up. All this coddling with some of these pitchers is borderline insane as is this obsession with pitch counts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree with this post. If the kid can prove he is ready to make the jump than let him make the jump. So far he&#8217;s done nothing but exceed expectations at each level. If that continues through May, and he&#8217;s an upgrade over Dillon Gee or Mike Pelfrey than bring him up. All this coddling with some of these pitchers is borderline insane as is this obsession with pitch counts.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoegy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoegy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mets do not have a good history with this scenario and not expressedly pitchers.  Bringing up players early can hurt them and the team.  Trivially can you name the players that came up to soon and fell apart personally.  Pretty easy.  

Let him mature and let him rip when he is good and ready.

I hear both points about &quot;wasting bullets&quot; and if he is sitting down batters left and right let him loose.  

In that scenario we will never realize his full potential be short circuiting his development.  

DOn&#039;t think we are thinking World Series this year......but I&#039;m a Met fan for a reason....you never know.  

I agree with waiting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mets do not have a good history with this scenario and not expressedly pitchers.  Bringing up players early can hurt them and the team.  Trivially can you name the players that came up to soon and fell apart personally.  Pretty easy.  </p>
<p>Let him mature and let him rip when he is good and ready.</p>
<p>I hear both points about &#8220;wasting bullets&#8221; and if he is sitting down batters left and right let him loose.  </p>
<p>In that scenario we will never realize his full potential be short circuiting his development.  </p>
<p>DOn&#8217;t think we are thinking World Series this year&#8230;&#8230;but I&#8217;m a Met fan for a reason&#8230;.you never know.  </p>
<p>I agree with waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part of a pitchers development is adjusting to hitters adjustments, not just perfecting their pitches but working through their entire arsenal and learning what works and what doesn&#039;t and then learning to switch it up.

Pelfrey was brought up here after 18 starts in 3 different leagues.  He most likely never faced the same lineup even twice.  He was dominating A+ based just on what he had in college and even at that the Mets had him drop his curve ball.

His 2 AAA starts had high walk rates and low strikeouts but BAM.  Early July of his first professional season he&#039;s in the Majors, with high walks and low strikeouts.  What a surprise.

Since then it&#039;s pretty much stayed the same every year in those areas and he hasn&#039;t gotten any better.

The Mets should really seek to put their prospects in the best possible situation instead of just bringing them up to fill a need like we&#039;ve done repeatedly with Pelfrey, Niese, Fern, Gomez, Murphy, Thole, Kunz, Stoner, Milledge, Humber, Jason Vargas, Parnell, Mejia and Tejada.

Of all the guys we&#039;ve brought up too quickly out of desperation only Davis, Gee, Joe Smith and Murphy have even performed well their first or second time up here so not only have we gotten less out of them later but we didn&#039;t get any thing from them by rushing them either.

Time to start grooming instead of zooming them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of a pitchers development is adjusting to hitters adjustments, not just perfecting their pitches but working through their entire arsenal and learning what works and what doesn&#8217;t and then learning to switch it up.</p>
<p>Pelfrey was brought up here after 18 starts in 3 different leagues.  He most likely never faced the same lineup even twice.  He was dominating A+ based just on what he had in college and even at that the Mets had him drop his curve ball.</p>
<p>His 2 AAA starts had high walk rates and low strikeouts but BAM.  Early July of his first professional season he&#8217;s in the Majors, with high walks and low strikeouts.  What a surprise.</p>
<p>Since then it&#8217;s pretty much stayed the same every year in those areas and he hasn&#8217;t gotten any better.</p>
<p>The Mets should really seek to put their prospects in the best possible situation instead of just bringing them up to fill a need like we&#8217;ve done repeatedly with Pelfrey, Niese, Fern, Gomez, Murphy, Thole, Kunz, Stoner, Milledge, Humber, Jason Vargas, Parnell, Mejia and Tejada.</p>
<p>Of all the guys we&#8217;ve brought up too quickly out of desperation only Davis, Gee, Joe Smith and Murphy have even performed well their first or second time up here so not only have we gotten less out of them later but we didn&#8217;t get any thing from them by rushing them either.</p>
<p>Time to start grooming instead of zooming them.</p>
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		<title>By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve loved this kid since the day the Mets drafted him.  However, I am perfectly fine with him NOT being brought up this season unless he is killing AAA hitters for at least half the season.  If he has a great ST, I would be fine with him starting the year in AAA, but, I would prefer to see him start in AA.  He only had 12 starts in AA last season and, even though, his starts got stronger as the season went on at AA, he still only had a 4.53 ERA and a WHIP of 1.358.  I&#039;d like to see him get at least another 10 starts in AA then re-evaluate him from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve loved this kid since the day the Mets drafted him.  However, I am perfectly fine with him NOT being brought up this season unless he is killing AAA hitters for at least half the season.  If he has a great ST, I would be fine with him starting the year in AAA, but, I would prefer to see him start in AA.  He only had 12 starts in AA last season and, even though, his starts got stronger as the season went on at AA, he still only had a 4.53 ERA and a WHIP of 1.358.  I&#8217;d like to see him get at least another 10 starts in AA then re-evaluate him from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Understood. My issue with word is that at least to me it suggests they are not proceeding at what some would describe as a normal pace but overall like you said I get where you was going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understood. My issue with word is that at least to me it suggests they are not proceeding at what some would describe as a normal pace but overall like you said I get where you was going.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks MNJ. :) 

I don&#039;t necessarily know what else I could have said in terms of &quot;taking it slow&quot; but you get where I am going with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MNJ. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily know what else I could have said in terms of &#8220;taking it slow&#8221; but you get where I am going with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice post Brandon I agree with most everything here. I would only nitpick with the choice of the word &quot;slow&quot; but other than that a good post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Brandon I agree with most everything here. I would only nitpick with the choice of the word &#8220;slow&#8221; but other than that a good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is basically the only scenario where he should be considered.

If he basically lights up ST and pitches better than every other starter then and only then should they consider bringing him up to see if he can build off that experience!

As much as rushing a kid is bad, sending him down when he is obviously the best pitcher you have and he is well on top of his game is just as bad!

Sends the wrong message that no matter how good you are you will get promoted when we are damn good and ready and that can hurt a young kid just bas much as pressure can!

I don&#039;t think he is going to pitch like that and will likely go down sooner rather than later to the MiL fields but if he does manage to blow everyone away and keep doing it then Poor Dillon Gee is going to lose his rotation spot!
Or should!

Rushing isn&#039;t about how soon but about promoting a kid based on what others are not doing!
Thats what made pelfrey a rush!

If the kid is performing at an MLB level when camp breaks then he deserves to come up and show he can keep doing that! The pressure will be offset by the confidence gained with his success!
If you feel and play like you belong then there is no pressure because you have PROVED you belong!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is basically the only scenario where he should be considered.</p>
<p>If he basically lights up ST and pitches better than every other starter then and only then should they consider bringing him up to see if he can build off that experience!</p>
<p>As much as rushing a kid is bad, sending him down when he is obviously the best pitcher you have and he is well on top of his game is just as bad!</p>
<p>Sends the wrong message that no matter how good you are you will get promoted when we are damn good and ready and that can hurt a young kid just bas much as pressure can!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he is going to pitch like that and will likely go down sooner rather than later to the MiL fields but if he does manage to blow everyone away and keep doing it then Poor Dillon Gee is going to lose his rotation spot!<br />
Or should!</p>
<p>Rushing isn&#8217;t about how soon but about promoting a kid based on what others are not doing!<br />
Thats what made pelfrey a rush!</p>
<p>If the kid is performing at an MLB level when camp breaks then he deserves to come up and show he can keep doing that! The pressure will be offset by the confidence gained with his success!<br />
If you feel and play like you belong then there is no pressure because you have PROVED you belong!</p>
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		<title>By: MetsMan86</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetsMan86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If he plays his way his to the MLB club, then there&#039;s no reason why he shouldn&#039;t pitch in September. Just don&#039;t force him up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he plays his way his to the MLB club, then there&#8217;s no reason why he shouldn&#8217;t pitch in September. Just don&#8217;t force him up.</p>
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		<title>By: stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pelfrey was rushed, for sure, since he hadn&#039;t proven to have mastered pitching yeat (though he did put up good number). 

But, I don&#039;t believe in keeping a guy in the minors once they have shown themselves to be ready to move up.  At some point, you are just wasting bullets.

and eventually they all have to learn to handle the majors.  As long as you aren&#039;t dumping him on the Mets while he is still working on &#039;stuff&quot; (control, mastering a specific pitch) if he has nothing left to prove int he minors, bring him up if there is an opening.

this year, he certainly is (should?) going to start in the minors, but I don&#039;t know if it matters as to AA or AAA.  Even if it is AA, would not be a surprise to see him skip AAA entirely, or just swing by for a quick plate of wings.

anyway, IMO if he is kicking butt in the minors, he certainly should be up at least for September to get his feet wet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelfrey was rushed, for sure, since he hadn&#8217;t proven to have mastered pitching yeat (though he did put up good number). </p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t believe in keeping a guy in the minors once they have shown themselves to be ready to move up.  At some point, you are just wasting bullets.</p>
<p>and eventually they all have to learn to handle the majors.  As long as you aren&#8217;t dumping him on the Mets while he is still working on &#8216;stuff&#8221; (control, mastering a specific pitch) if he has nothing left to prove int he minors, bring him up if there is an opening.</p>
<p>this year, he certainly is (should?) going to start in the minors, but I don&#8217;t know if it matters as to AA or AAA.  Even if it is AA, would not be a surprise to see him skip AAA entirely, or just swing by for a quick plate of wings.</p>
<p>anyway, IMO if he is kicking butt in the minors, he certainly should be up at least for September to get his feet wet.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;I can totally understand why so many are excited about Matt Harvey coming up the ladder, but as much as I want to see him hurling for the Mets in 2012, I am going to have to agree with Bobby Ojeda on this one.&#039;

No argument from me on this opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I can totally understand why so many are excited about Matt Harvey coming up the ladder, but as much as I want to see him hurling for the Mets in 2012, I am going to have to agree with Bobby Ojeda on this one.&#8217;</p>
<p>No argument from me on this opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Harvey is the future, along with Wheeler, Familia, and Mejia (whether Mejia and Familia are in the pen is obviously still unclear). I&#039;m excited to see what Harvey can do with a full season at Double-A, maybe moving up to Triple-A and earning a cup of coffee in September, if the big league club is not in contention. I don&#039;t want to see him up before then, even if we lose some starters to injury. Let Schwinden or Batista come in to eat up starts for injured starters, even though Harvey clearly has the brighter future. Best case scenario: Harvey has a successful year in the minors and can earn a start in September. Maybe even fight for a roster spot next year, or get a mid-season call up next season, but I think 2014 is more reasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Harvey is the future, along with Wheeler, Familia, and Mejia (whether Mejia and Familia are in the pen is obviously still unclear). I&#8217;m excited to see what Harvey can do with a full season at Double-A, maybe moving up to Triple-A and earning a cup of coffee in September, if the big league club is not in contention. I don&#8217;t want to see him up before then, even if we lose some starters to injury. Let Schwinden or Batista come in to eat up starts for injured starters, even though Harvey clearly has the brighter future. Best case scenario: Harvey has a successful year in the minors and can earn a start in September. Maybe even fight for a roster spot next year, or get a mid-season call up next season, but I think 2014 is more reasonable.</p>
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