10
2012
Mets Say Wright Could Be Out Another Week
An article by Hojo's Mojo
This is not good…
David Wright will not return until next weekend at the earliest as he continues to experience left rib-cage soreness. Wright has yet to appear in any Grapefruit League games and since he’s been sidelined with this injury he has yet to swing a bat.
Team doctor Struan Coleman is expected to examine Wright in Port St. Lucie this weekend before Wright is cleared to increase his rehab workload.
Original Post 3/5
Manager Terry Collins informed David Wright that he will miss at least the first two games of the Grapefruit League season which basically means you wont see him playing today or tomorrow. However, with Wednesday scheduled for a road game in Jupiter, Thursday may be the nest time well see Wright back in the lineup.
“We’ve got a long way to go. I’m in no rush,” Collins said. “I cannot possibly run him out there and get him hurt tomorrow.”
Wright is still dealing with discomfort in his left rib cage and the Mets are rightfully taking a cautious approach and will keep him on the sidelines until the discomfort goes away or improves.
“I think it’s the correct decision, no question,” Wright said. “I think sometimes I can be hard-headed and stubborn.”
Wright has maintained that if this was Opening Day he would definitely be in the lineup.
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Well I agree that they should keep him out and play it cautiously if only to stop him from trying to compensate and put more stress on that back!
On a side note I can only wonder what Tejada thought when he heard Collins say “We’ve got a long way to go. I’m in no rush” lol
Don’t you think the David Wright situation and the Ruben Tejada situation are about as polar opposites as possible?
WHo said anything aboput the situation?
We are talking about the MESSAGE!
Hurry up Rueben every second is precious and we need to start now to succeed!
But there is a long way to go and no rush David!
I agree with the way the situation is being handled but Terry has to keep the message clear otherwise the message doesn’t get through!
He could have easily said we need Wright to be fully healthy as he is the leader and heart of the order so we are going to be cautious, and skipped the CONSOLING FAN message that is counter to what he said a week ago about a guy who wasn’t late!
If the players see you talking out of both sides of your mouth you will lose them!
And Terry needs to avoid that this year, Last year was a Gimme, they played hard for the new manager and responded well, He needs to LOCK that loyalty in this year and then once he has HIS core guys set he can pull that duality of quote stuff!
This is a very important year for Collins!
He needs to continue from where he left off last year with the players responding to him.
If they ever stop it’s the beginning of the end for him!
He is too animated and too up and that can wear out your welcome very quickly if they aren’t winning and they get the sense he is full of it!
There is nothing so unequal as the equal treatment of others.
LOL true TRS,
I just think of it like this…
If your dad said one thing to you and then a week later said the opposite to your older brother, what lesson would you take from it?
LOL
I agree they should take their time with Wright!
He didn’t need to say it’s a long season and we have plenty of time!
We said that last year when we were 5-13!
And what would our position in July have been if we did not treat April like that?
What trades would we have made then?
He’s not wrong with what he said, but sometime speaking the truth isn’t actually neccesary!
LOL
Sometime nothing said is better said!
I guess speaking as a coach and former player, I completely understand that players are not all treated the same nor does the coach/manager have the same expectations for them. The stars have earned a little leeway and if the rookies don’t understand that and why then they are doomed from the start.
I always laugh when people say that every player should be treated equal. Find me a manager/coach that does that and you will find one that losses a lot of games.
Your againconfusing the TREATMENT with the MESSAGE!
Hold Wright out!
But don’t say well it’s nothing we are in no rush!
Say it hurts that he is out as we have to be ready and get off to a good start but prudence suggest we hold him out!
Not No Big Deal all that crap I said about how important the early part of the season is was just crap to say in a slow news week!
Yet the message, who it was said to and how it was said would change based on the player and their experience as well. Hopefully Tejada understands that if not then as I said he is doomed anyway.
But it was said to EVERYONE!
If he had only said it to Wright thats one thing but he said it in the press!
Tejada knows what he said too! So Collins bitching to him last week means nothing to Tejada or anyone else not named David Wright!
You treat INDIVIDUALS individually,
You want to say something to that individual, fine!
But when you say something to the press it is basically said to everyone!
I know WHY he said it!
He was doing damage control and trying not to worry fans!
His job is not to downplay things to the fans!
His job is to get that team playing well as fast as possible!
Agreed to disagree, Again.
Here we go again…
This means out until the all-star break…
It’s hard lately as Met fans not to be thinking along these lines.
(how do you know it’s a Met fan)
aaahhh -HAH! Collins said Wright will miss the 1st two games BUT! He didn’t say when Wright would play now did he? That’s it, I know it. Wright is out until June… I KNEW IT!
There is nothing gained by asking Wright to play through the stiffness in his ribcage this early in Spring Training. Collins is right when he says “We’ve got a long way to go. I’m in no rush” This early in camp there is no need to rush a player back from an injury.
As i said he’s right in what he said, Just should not have said it!
We said the same thing last april when we were 5-13!
And where were we in July and what might have been different if we played .500 early instead!
Rest Wright it’s the correct move, Be cautious I support him 100%
Don’t attempt to reassure the fans by saying something you don’t really believe!
And is counter to the mindset the players on this team need to have!
Especially after his tirade over Tejada’s not late lateness!
At least he’s not wasting any time entering his 4th year of decline.
2 years ago when he didn’t have a broken back he went 29/103 rbi’s..I have no problem with you wanting to get rid of the guy but look up the meaning of the word decline first.And what ever you do for a living would be probably be negatively effected with a broken bone in your back.
2 years ago was his first full MLB season where he batted below .302 (.283 to be exact), was the second straight season he hit below 40 doubles after 4 straight 40+ doubles per season, was 25 points below his previous worst OBP season (2006 – .381), his strikeouts rose to 161 from 140 in ’09 which rose from 118 in ’08, while his BB’s dropped to 69 from 74 in ’09 and from 94 in ’07 and ’08, and it was his second straight season with an OPS below .900 after 4 consecutive above .900. What was it you were saying about the meaning of the word decline…or do you think baseball players have great seasons based solely on HRs/RBIs?
i am aware of all the numbers..i am slso aware that he has had no protection n the lineup and his own team built a new stadium that knee capped his ability to hit with power to the opposite field.I
Matt is right, David has been declining. 2010 numbers were compiled in 3 hot streaks, the biggest streak coming from Memorial Day until about the Allstar break. He did absolutely nothing until September when he caught fire.
He went the first 21 days in August without an RBI. His numbers across the board were down including his LD% and contact%. HR’s was the only improvement from 2009 and last year he wasn’t playing well before he hurt his back.
We’ll find out this year if it was the ballpark or he’s just in a downward trend. One thing you can say is that the walls didn’t seem to bother Beltran when he was healthy.
If he is healthy in 2012 i think his numbers will improve and you will probably get your wish when the Mets trade him and Justin Turner becomes our new third baseman.What is your handle going to be after they get rid of him??
Probably return back to “Matt,” the same handle I’ve had on here for the past 5 years.
I agree with Gary about Wright and Citi Field.
I would be more worried if Sandy Alderson said Wright would only be out a few days instead of Terry, who I think we could trust for being more honest. Remember that Sunday afternoon post-game press conference when Sandy said Jose was day-to-day and would probably be playing at the all-star game and then on the day that followed that day-to-day he was in Cincinnati appearing in the broadcast booth with Gary and Keith telling us he was immediately told Jose would need to go on the DL.
BTW – whatever one says about Jose, admire him for still going to the all-star game while injured to appear in uniform and stay on the bench because the fans had voted him in as a starter — while Derek Jeter, who was also voted to the starting lineup AND had a bonus clause in his contract for (I believe) $500K passed up even a token appearance cause he was emotionally drained from getting his 3,000th hit (though it wasn’t enough to stop him from partying in Florida). Derek kept the bonus anyway. Shows how loosely the word “class” is applied to people.
Well, if he struggles, i am sure people will use THIS injury as an excuse.. i mean, there’s still people who claim he became a different player after getting beamed in the head by cain..
Let’s also hope he’s not out for a month as the mets medical team is accostum to tell us one thing and be the complete opposite, we need him to be healthy and producing so we can trade him…
You do know there is a difference between reasons and excuses right?
Yeah, for him is only EXCUSES… from his strike out with murphy on 3rd in 2008 to his beaming in the head, to the uppercut, to howard johnson, to the back last year… it seems there’s always an excuse as to why he doesn’t do something we want him to do…
Only in your small double standard world you would say DW uses a broken back as an excuse.
Let me ask this why do you always bring up that strike out wih Murph on 3rd yet never mention how in the same game Reyes had a runner on 3rd in the 8th and grounded out to end the inning, or how after that K the bullpen coughed up 3 runs to lose the game???? That K you bring up was the 1st ou of inning and while it IS unacceptable to leave the winning run on 3rd never bring up the next two outs????
Or how about how they were winning and OP couldn’t get out of the 5th? No no the entire season is based on that 1st out in the 9th
Still want to talk baseball?
Come on Kay, he has never admitted to the fact that Reyes disappearing every time the calendar turned September was a bigger culprit of the collapse than anything David Wright did or did not do.
Wright is supposed to be an RBI guy, had the perfect opportunity to deliver the game winning run, yet he failed MISERABLY and his excuse was “he made a great 3-2 pitch”, and his legion of fans have always come up with an excuse as to why he failed. it was always something, never him or his fault, Reyes Failed miserable both months because the mets go as reyes goes, so he failed to be on base etc, but his job is to get on base and create runs, but he’s not known to be a run producer as wright was…
Right, so perhaps if Reyes had done his job and got on base more that September then the months that Delgado, Wright and Beltran had (which were all great) would have been enough. Unfortunately Reyes flat out choked not just one AB but the entire month both times. Again, tell the entire story. Wright failed in huge AB, Reyes just plain failed for 2 months. Yet Reyes’ legion of fans (including me) blamed it on things like Willie over using him or Jerry’s ineptitude and ruining his aggressiveness.
Again, at this point why does it matter?
We all agree he failed in that spot! But its your double standards we find comical! Reyes had the opportunity in bottom of 8th and you never once mention that but repeatadly but the entire blame of that game and playoff opportunity with out ALL the facts of the game?
Yet you had the nerve to call you many by saying You just hate Reyes!
Haha now he is a statbpadder! Only you could make this up! Thanks for the laugh hahahahahah
When he was just being a guy in the lineup crowded with stars like reyes, beltran and a thumper like delgado he avg 311 29 112 35+ doubles, when asked to be the man and lead the franchise he’s been a 284 17 72 player… now, if those aren’t stat padding stats. i don’t know what is!!!
OK so let me ask you this Mr. it has to be my reason and all the other reasons are excuses. What would be the reason that Wright had 29 HR and 103 RBI in 2010? Of course his other stats were down but on here the HR and RBI are all that matter anyway. Was that because of all the protection in the lineup? Maybe it was all of those guys with OPS over .800 you know uh… oh yeah there was not even a single player on the team with an OPS over .800 that year other than Wright.
What you guys don’t get is that it isn’t that he failed in that spot, it’s HOW he failed in that spot. He was up 3-0 in the count, and he swung at three straight pitches outside the strike zone – That’s terrible baseball. The 1st pitch he fouled off was borderline, but the last one was several inches off the plate – It wasn’t even close. It would be different he just got beat by nasty pitches in the strike zone, but swinging at three balls, after being up 3-0, with Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado hitting behind you? That’s inexcusable.
It was terrible baseball – He wasn’t thinking. That’s what you guys aren’t getting. And just because I’m saying this doesn’t mean I hate David Wright, Iike Wright, and I think he’s a good hitter, but that big mental mistake he made in that AB was awful, and it could of very well cost us the season that year. And it also doesn’t mean that I excuse Reyes for the way he played those years because I don’t.
You made sense for that one at bat. But you lost me with ‘it could of very well cost us the season that year.’
You can’t be serious. If you are, I’m sure we can all start listing ‘one at bats’ for just about everyone in that lineup that could have been the difference between a game won/lost.
Then we can move on to bad pitches. Next, errors.
Right and what I don’t get is how people like Beltran were blamed for one AB and Wright blamed for one AB yet we are supposed to turn a blind eye to 2 months of crappy baseball and not consider that a bigger choke job than the one they campaign as a choker.
At the time of that game we were tied for the WC, and we lost it by one game, so it could have very well cost us the season. I don’t see how saying a very big mental mistake late in the year(when your tied for the wild card, and wind up losing it by a game) could have cost you the season is crazy.
The differece for me between the Wright AB, and the Beltran AB is that in the Beltran AB, it was a good pitch, but in the Wright AB, the pitch wasn’t even close. Beltran got beat by a good pitch, Wright got beat by a ball that wasn’t even close to the strike zone – Big difference.
Again, one AB in that situation considering his production the entire month is nothing compared to the pitching or lack of production the entire month from Reyes. Blaming Wright or Beltran for either situation based on one ab after countless failures from others is indeed silly.
Yeah, that was my point.
Then again, I’m not one of those ones who believe the games in April count any less than the games in Sep.
Back to my original point. It isn’t that he failed, it’s HOW he failed. It was terrible baseball, he was up 3-0, swung at three straight balls outside the strike zone, with Beltran and Delgado hitting behind him – There’s no excuse for that. It’s inexcusable for to have an AB that bad, espcially to have it from a good hitter like Wright, in huge part of the game when your fighting for your playoff lives.
That’s a mistake maybe you’d expect a rookie to make, not your all star 3rdbaseman.
Again, what is your point? We all agree it was a terrible AB. Our debate is that there is no way that one AB cost us the season when compared to the pitching or to Reyes disappearance for a month.
I hear you but any one of those other losses due to a poor at bat, poor pitch, errors, could have been the deciding game.
I can’t throw the whole season’s poor finish on Wright because of that at bat, anymore than I blamed Beltran for that Game 7 loss.
And what others, maybe you, are not getting is that we know he failed in that spot and it was a big spot. However, it did not come down to that one AB and his one failure does not erase how well he did do in September or does it erase how poorly Reyes did in September. That AB is years ago and one ab does not define a guys career success or lack there of.
One AB never costs you a season. Never.
Two months of under .500 baseball can cost you a season or a poor first half by Delgado for instance or 33 blown saves by your bullpen but one AB? out of five thousand six hundred?
Please.
Wright even led the NL in SAC flys that year, sure it was a bad AB, no question but so was Delgado’s last AB’s in game 1 and 3 against Arthur Rhodes in the Marlin series with men on base.
Well, then we are just going to have to disagree then because I believe one AB can decide the season – Absolutley.
And the 33 blown saves are misleading because the Mets would get ahead, and never add on to their leads allowing the other teams back into the game. So, that’s on the bullpen AND the offense too.
So Wright’s one AB is more important than Reyes’ .205.279 .333 .612 over 131 PA in September?
Or perhaps the 5.14 ERA in September? That is less important than that one AB as well?
#blamebeltran
1st of all, you have the wrong year for Reyes.
And there’s a difference between not playing good, and hurting your team because your not thinking. A major league player should know better than to swing at 3 balls outside the zone in that situation. That mistake should never be made in a major league game. However a player playing bad happens all the time – That’s the difference. What Reyes did happens, what Wright did should NEVER happen in a major league game, and it’s magnified because it was a crucial part of the game and the season.
I’m not saying how Reyes played is OK, but a major league player should never make the mistake Wright made there. It’s baffling to think an all star like Wright can make a mistake like that, it isn’t to think that a player can have a bad month.
So Reyes completely tanking both 2007 and 2008 Septembers just happens but Wright having a bad AB cost us the season. Good lord this is ridiculous.
Nice to only remember september or one AB…
Truth is without Reyes’ contribution earlier in the season there is no September to choke on!
Reyes 1st Half 2008 .302BA .367OBP .487SLG
Wright 1st half 2008 .282 .380 .499
Wright had 70 RBI in the first half of 2008, Who pray tell was he driving in?
Could it be the guy who scored 68 RS in the first half alone?
His name is Jose!
really you guys need to stop blaming the offense for our problems in 2008!
It wasn’t Wright it wasn’t Reyes and it wasn’t that curveball to Beltran in 2006 either!
It’s the Pitching!
Always has been the problem when we get close but no cigar!
Only exception there might be 73!
SMH,
My point is that playing bad is one thing, but playing bad because of stupid mistakes is inexcusable.
And of course there other reasons why the Mets failed in 08. All I said was that AB COULD have cost us the season. I didn’t say “that AB, and ONLY that AB was the reason why we lost”. Of course Reyes, the bullpen, ect hurt us. But if Wright laid off that pitch we could have overcame all that because as you know, we missed the playoffs by only one game.
And if the pitching had not stunk or Reyes completely disappeared for a month then we would not have had to overcome anything.
Hey Metsie, I thought that Reyes getting on base was unimportant and the only thing important there was Wright’s RBI?
Your just being an ASS today aren’t you?
Well I see you missed the point didn’t you?
YOU SAID getting OB and racking up RS was MORE IMPORTANT!
Now you seem to reverse yourself when that FACT of yours got in the way didn’t you?
So which is it slappy?
Right, now you got it, TRS.
Or is it the reverse Metsie? Now that Reyes’ getting on base and scoring off Wright’s RBI fits your point your forget yours.
LOL, go back and look there Metsie. You are the one that brought up that point, I am just calling you on it.
If this is being an ASS then you are never anything but.
It’s not the reverse TRS!
You see I’m not blaming EITHER Wright or Reyes for 2008…YOU are!
reading is Fundamental!
Care to read what I said regarding the failure of 2006, 2007 and 2008?
Or do you just want to continue with the defend Sandy at all cost approach to Blog posting?
Reyes is gone, Sandy did it he must be the problem with 2006-2007!
Wright is still here Sandy kept him (for now) Wright must not be the problem with 2006-2007!
No trade was made this year, Sandy didn;’t make one! Therefore no good trade was out there and no #2 or #3 Pitcher out of the 60+ that exyst was worth trading for or would be better than Pelfrey!
Yeah this smells of short skirts and Pom Poms!
yes TRS I brought up YOUR ARGUMENT which you then dismissed because it didn’t seem to work anymore when defending Sandy’s allowing reyes to go!
You balme Reyes for being the guy you say is GOOD when we aren’t talking about who the mets should have kept!
Convenient isn’t that?
You are quite delusional my friend. My comment was that Reyes completely tanked both Septembers, did not get on base hardly at all. You responded with well Reyes had a good first half and that allowed Wright to drive him in which was completely opposite of your previously philosophy and I called you on it. The end.
I never said anything of the sort that Reyes had a bad 1st half or that Wrights was more important due to his RBI. All I said is that Reyes choked the entire month of September and Wright choked in one AB yet we blame Wright.
Your the one who doesnt’t believe his own belifs depending on what day it is or what conversation we are having and I’m delusional!
Tell me something if you don’y believe your OWN beliefs then why should anyone believe anything you say you believe in? Huh?
LOL, when did I say I did not believe what I wrote? I still stand by the fact that OBP is very important, when did I change that discussion? I still believe that RBI is a horrible way to judge an offensive player. When did I change that position?
Besides, we have another discussion going on now where you said you would give us trade ideas based on available names. Why not post on that?
2007 we gave up the 2nd most runs in franchise history to that point in time since 1966. 2008 was 9th most since 1966. Offensively those teams were 5th and 6th in runs scored in franchise history.
53 times in 2007 we gave up 6 or more runs. 55 times in 2008 we gave up 6 or more runs.
The problem wasn’t in scoring runs, it was in giving them up. The offense couldn’t keep picking up the pitching.
As said the chokes have been about Pitching not ABs and September!
Look at when the Mets scored those runs. Early in the game the Mets would score more runs than anybody, but were at the bottom in RS late in the game. So if the Mets never got all these leads, the bullpen wouldn’t have had the chance blown as many games as they did.
We had an awful bullpen, and an offense that would get ahead early, but disapear late – That’s why we had that many blown games.
Actually – I stated the same thing a few days ago, in yet another rant about Wright, Choking and your friend Alex68 missing ALL the facts, just harping one that at bat.
You are still not mentioning though, that it was the FIRST out of the inning, not the 3rd. The point that many are trying to make is the double standards of people around here that continue to bring up that one ab, yet choke when it comes to mentioning EVERYTHING.
Church grounded out for the 2nd out, then Castro struck out on THREE pitches.
Not one person mentioned that Wright striking out in that spot was not AWFUL, not one, but lies continue to be made that people make excuses for him. Didn’t happen
Yet, the blind eye to Reyes having the winning run at 3rd in the bottom of the 9th and grounding out is NEVER mentioned, or that the 10th inning the lowly bullpen once again gave up 3 runs.
TEAM sport, not one guy striking out at a inopportune time.
Like I said, it’s not that he failed, it HOW he failed. It wasn’t like he got beat by a good pitch, he swung at 3 balls outside the strike zone after being up 3-0 with two of the best hittters on the team hitting behind him.
And I don’t care what out of the inning it was. And just because pitching sucked, doesn’t excuse Wright from making a big mental mistake in a huge part of the game, while we are fighting for our playoff lives.
Who is saying it did not make a big mistake? The point still remains that the awful ERA of the entire staff and the 150 awful PA for Reyes had a much larger impact than Wright’s one AB.
Holy comment spiral of death. No Mas!
still, if you want to cherry pick, you can find many cases of 1 AB in a particular game that would have made the difference. Yes, if Wright gets Murphy home (or church or castro) then most likely the mets are playing past game 162. Of course, if Beltran hit a HR, Mets were in the WS.
but, none of the regular season stuff was final (they were still alive with games to play). So why not go back to an AB in a game in June? Juley? April? and look for the same thing.
Now, I will say if Cruz could actually catch a ball in RF the Rangers win the WS. That was an elimination play not made. But you can’t really say that an AB in a tie game earlier inthe Series “cost” them a pennant.
And I’m saying just because they played bad, doesn’t excuse Wright for playing bad. That’s your argument, “well, the other guys sucked too”. Come on.
OK last comment. You have missed the entire point. No one is saying that Wright did not fail in that AB. The only thing we are debating is that AB was no more what cost them the playoffs than the 150 that Reyes failed in or the SP or BP failed in. Blaming that season on Wright’s one AB is completely and totally ignoring the facts of what put them in that situation to start with.
And you missed the BIGGER point!
It wasn’t ABs, Offense, Wright, Reyes or a Curveball to Beltran that cost us anything!
It was the pitching!
Glavine not getting ONE win at the end of September!
All this talk about offense is nothing more than a defense of keeping Wright over Reyes despite the fact you guys all say OB is more important than RBI!
And Why?
Because thats what Sandy decided so it must be the right move!
Despite what you believe!
None of this is about who to keep. Man are you missing it today. I have already said if they can get a great return then you trade Wright too.
It’s about blaming a season on one AB yet ignoring what led to that one AB being what it was.
I shouldn’t, but if you are arguing to keep a guy because they can drive in more runs (wright) or a guy that has a higher OBP, well, that is also wright. he always has had a higher OBP than Reyes throughout their careers.
No Stick for the record I thoght we should have kept both!
TRS this is SOOOOOO about who to keep!
You wanted to keep wright over Reyes!
Other thought Reyes should have been kept over Wright!
Both are wrong as BOTH should have been kept and other solutions should have been found!
Niether Wright or Reyes were responsible for the chokes from 2006-2008!
There would have been no ability to choke without them!
A point you keep ignoring when arguing with me!
It wasn’t offense that cost us yet thats what YOU and wright complainers claim!
Your BOTH dead wrong!
It was Pitching and always has been pitching that caused those chokes!
And you have also missed the enitre point. I’m not blaming the entire season on that one AB.
Maybe not but you did state ‘it could of very well cost us the season that year.’’
Splitting hairs.
And I believe the point some of us are trying to make is we’re not buying into one at bat costing us the season.
You’re entitled to believe Wright cost us the season – just as those of us responding are entitled to disagree. Can’t speak for anyone else here but you won’t be changing my mind. The argument is just too far fetched.
Find me one ML pitcher who hasn’t made one bad pitch. Find me one ML batter, who did not have a bad at bat. Find me one ML player with a few years under his belt that hasn’t made an error.
These guys aren’t perfect. They just have a god-given talent for playing a game that the rest of us enjoy watching.
That’s a loser’s lament and anyone who has actually been active in sports would know that.
With that type of thinking than 1986 is not Bill Buckner’s fault – maybe a couple of Red Sox ABs before that would’ve changed history or maybe a different pitch selection.
Looking to justify a person’s last actions which resulted in the loss can apply to any circumstances in sports. Life is unfair and YES there are people who are responsible for a team’s victories or loss. As unfair as it is yes you can pin crucial losses on someone and rightly so. That’s how sports is. You can point to a multitude of reasons but if Wright AND Reyes were to be the heros that we all wanted them to be than they BOTH would have had to come through in the clutch. I happen to blame Wright more because we was in more positions to make a difference and get big hits than Reyes. I first noticed Wright’s propensity to FAIL UNDER PRESSURE during the playoffs of 2006, he got a pass and rightly so, but then it got progressively worse.
And add to that his progressively declining defense and his lack of hustle than in my opinion he was more expendable than Reyes
You’re nothing if not predictable in your responses, Bayonne.
Let’s be honest here. You’re a fan of his and you have a thing for him. Everything you say is based on that no matter how much you ‘pretend’ to think you’re speaking from any other kind of knowledge other than being a fan of Wright and reading the papers and forming opinions on that. Which is fine, that’s what fans do. But don’t pretend to think you have any kind of HONEST insights cuz you don’t.
I have a thing for no one. I have a thing for winning and if Wright was able to produce in big spots at Piazza-like levels then I’d have a thing for him too and fans would be justified in glorifying him. I used to be a fan of his but that changed once i saw him being exposed for what he is – a good player who can’t take it up another notch because he has FAILED in big spots and FAILED in big spots with the season on the line. Sure he gets some big hits once in awhile like any other player but if you want to rise to the next level you have to be able to become the type of player who rises in big spots.
Clearly he is NOT that type of player and in my opinion actually drags the team down with his style of play. As long as the Mets are properly compensated this team is better off without him and the front office is making a grave mistake if they continue to refer to this loser as some kind of face of a franchise.
talk about not learning from past mistakes……
The Buckner GB is an extreme example and not even remotely the same thing as one regular season AB.
I remember the Daily news having a hero and a goat of every World Series game. That’s one thing but to hang an entire 162 games season on just one AB out of 5,600 of them.
That’s a losers lament if I ever heard one and all it seeks to do is the pin the blame for the entire season on one guy when there was plenty of blame to go around especially on the other side of the ball but no one here three and a half years later talking about Perez giving up 6 hits, 5 walks and 5 earned runs in 4 1/3rd innings or Ayala giving up 3 earned runs in 2 innings or Reyes getting doubled off 1B with runners on 1st and 3rd nobody out on a line drive by Murphy to 1B (on a play right in front of him and of course he didn’t try to steal 2B during the AB you know that) or Reyes not getting a hit with 2 out bot 8, bases loaded or Church not getting a SAC or Castro a hit in the 9th or the Mets pitchers giving up 7 walks and 15 hits and 9 earned runs.
Yeah blame the whole season on one guy and one AB.
Who excused him?
Legion of fan?? excuses?? what are you talking about?? You never ever defending nor made any excuse for reyes, the whole debate about reyes and wright started because guys like you were head over hills for this choker and wouldn’t even consider the fact that some people liked reyes better, now that he’s in miami we’ll see how your boy does, some pathetic guy here had reyes as his favorite player and all he did was to sh** on him at all times, and for that guy who made a comment about where i am from, yes, i am fully aware reyes and i were born in the same country, i don’t look at the name on the back but the name on the front as well, but when comments like the one that person made the other day basically insulting reyes because he was from another country showed the type of person he is.. that is why i refuse to engaged in any conversation with that individual..
So again you let the opinions of someone else dictate your opinions. Because you felt like Wright was favored over Reyes you developed a hatred for Wright. How embarrassing.
Alex68 — You don’t have anything to do with the guy in question because you don’t have a leg to stand on. You make up facts and you want some kind of unequal treatment for certain players. It’s something that should be labeled ‘Baseball Affirmative Action.’ It’s a crock. I don’t know anybody who insulted Reyes because of where he came from — once again you’re just making things up. Time for you to treat everyone the same Alex. So what if a guy came from the DR — should he not be judged with the same set of eyes as the next guy?
I know of a couple of ballplayers in the majors who came from Australia. Should they be treated any different? Of course not. Maybe Alex would if he came from Down Under.
All I can say is that Reyes was by far my favorite Met and I would say that I’m in the majority about that with Met Fans although I’ll readily acknowledge that I never really even so much as thought about who was more popular. Tell you the truth I really thought of them as Reyes AND Wright if anything. Didn’t realize we had to have separate camps.
Even if we do have to have separate camps I refuse to participate in that and quite frankly I really don’t see these “legions” of Wright fans constantly complaining about Reyes’ September swoons for costing entire seasons like some people blame one Wright AB for constantly, over and over again, almost every single day.
Really ridiculous and this coming from a guy who would have preferred signing Reyes and letting Wright go FA at the end of 2013.
Fact is every single Met including the manager, coaching staff, medical dept, FO and Ownership could have done one more thing (or one less) at any point in the season that could have made the difference. I’ll give you one. Not fire Rick Down as a warning shot to the manager in 2007.
To hang the whole thing on one AB is ridiculous and to so because more people preferred Wright to Reyes (if more people did which I really doubt, but maybe) speaks for itself.
When I think of excuses, I think of Alex68 and his defense of the SS down in Miami. Alex wanted me to cut Jose some slack because he came from the same country as Alex. He wanted me to be more sensitive, to understand Jose, blah, blah, blah. It’s a problem when we Mets fans can’t treat everyone equally.
Everyone is born some place. It’s best to watch Mets players without looking at the names on the uniforms.
Agreed, for me it’s always been about the name on the front. If the Mets decide that trading Wright will improve the METS then I am all for it. If not re-signing Reyes allows the Mets more flexibility and eventually improves the team so be it. Do I grow to love some of the Mets players? Sure but ultimately I don’t care who is playing for the Mets as long as they play hard and it leads to the Mets winning games.
You know I have never been one to make excuses for Wright, he needs to step up and hopefully he will.
However, what made him good before? If you say it was because of Reyes, Delgado and Beltran wouldn’t that also be an “excuse”. Maybe it was just pure luck? of course that would be an excuse too.
Well, is an excuse, because his padded stats since delgado, beltran and reyes have dramatically disappear!!!!!!!!
Right there are all kinds of reasons/excuses and none of us really know which one/ones are the reason. Thus it is much easier to say that he has not gotten it done of late and needs to step up.
You saying that the reason is the lack of help in the lineup is just as viable or nonviable as the beaning.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe it’s all of those reasons/excuses combined? Perhaps the lack of help in the lineup, the stupid dimensions of citi field, the pressure of the collapses, the beaning, the broken back, the poor hitting philosophies of Hojo all combined to make one of the best home grown players in Mets history what he is now instead of what he was then? I would venture to say it’s all of the above to some extent.
But what does all that boil down to? He has not gotten it done and needs to get it done. Don’t you think we are kind of on common ground here? Who cares why? Just get it done.
Well it is true that after Beltran went down in 2009 Wright’s production really fell off but that was after Delgado and Reyes were already out. Take three hitters like those guys out of any lineup and it’s going to affect the best guy left. I mean really who are you going to pitch too? Wright or Pagan, Cora, Murphy, and Thole?
The same holds true the prior year. With Delgado and Beltran in the lineup Wright got more chances but if he hadn’t taken advantage of them Delgado and Beltran would have gotten less chances than they did. As it was Delgado had pretty poor first halves in both 2007 and 2008 so I don’t see how it’s called stat padding when Wright was first or second in every offensive category even with everyone in the lineup.
Tell you the truth if Delgado or Beltran had been the last big guy left neither one of them would have gotten more chances than Wright did in the 2nd half of 2009.
Come 2010 Wright the entire lineup was filled with low OB and/or high strikeout guys like Bay, Barajas, Francoeur, Carter, Cora, Feliciano, Tatis, Mathews, Jacobs, Cattalonotto, Fern, Hernandez, Arias and Tejada; or guys you wanted to pitch to who weren’t big threats in Castillo and Thole. Not to confuse the two but how many pitchers would risk throwing to Pujols in a lineup like that with the game close?
Maybe with the game well in hand perhaps but in tight spots? I don’t think so, hence the stat padding argument.
That being said, how did he hit 29 HR and 103 RBI in the 2010 lineup consisting of rookies, players having their worst seasons and general crap? Especially if the only reason he performed before was the lineup around him.
One thing with Wright to keep in mind (the whole situation) is that ligically there does have to be some reason to explain the decline.
Most guys are having peak years at his age over the last 3 seasons. Not declining like they were in their mid-30s.
And he produced at a high level for way too long to be considered some flash in the pan that got figured out.
If he was say A Rod, you could point to natural decline form age (plus off the needle!) combined with some physical maladies to explain why he no longer can do the same tings.
But not many guys that are studs from 22-26 or so suddenly lost it at 27-29.
And I have trouble buying as a fact that it was having delgdao and beltran hitting in front of him that made him so good.
anyway, I still think he could rebound, since it is not impossible that the reasons that led to his #s declining can be reversed. Whatever you think they are.
Citi in his head? Resolved.
Beaning? Well, it is 1 year farther out,
hitting sytle? combo of Hudgens and new dimensions get him back to his old ways?
Protection? Having Davis and Duda behind him should help.
Broken back? Current issue aside, have to hope that is healed and is not a debilitating factor 9a huge wildcard here).
Anyway, tough to predict what he is going to do this year, but I for one am not writing him off. He easily could rebound and have a string of 4 excellent years now. or not.
hell, Beltre was washed up and managed to rebound in a better situation! so anything is possible.
Great point on Beltre, from 2005 to 2009:
.266 .317 .442 .759
That’s awful and worse than Wright’s worse year.
Yet he rebounded with .309 .350 .557 .907 the last 2 years. I wonder what his reasons/excuses were?
Bad lineup, bad park. Moved on to good lineups and good hitters parks.
Are those reasons or excuses? LOL.
I think their very valid reasons.
For those who have ever been in a game where their team is being no hit heading into the 7th, 8th or 9th inning, just think of the pressure you feel to break it up. Obviously everyone’s struggling including yourself. Your 0-2 at that point and the teams counting on you and not for a fun positive (drive in the tying or winning run) but to avoid a negative (getting no hit)
The difference here is instead of the pressure building over the first 6-7 innings it’s been building over the last 6-7 weeks.
That’s what every AB is like for the guy hitting in a lineup with high strikeout/low OB guys or guys who are absolutely going to be gone after in the lineup because they don’t represent a solid threat.
Add in Wright being the face of two consecutive collapses because everyone else on the team left him to talk to the media after every tough loss and it’s almost like he owned the losses by himself when the reality is he was first or second in every offensive stat on the whole team.
Every pitcher has a plan before the game starts and part of that plan includes who’s not going to beat you and with no Reyes, Delgado or Beltran that guy was Wright. If Pagan or Murphy beat you that’s the way it goes but Wright just wasn’t going to get those chances.
Trying to do too much and worrying about Citi draining his HR’s numbers just made things worse.
just about any player is going to suffer in a poor lineup. Fewer opportunities to drive in runs, and fewer times that the pitcher is forced to attack the guy.
when you are the only viable hitter, you get pitched around a lot.
so some guys just pad their walk totals, others try to do to much and get themselves out.
I still don’t see how a guy in a good line up is a “stat padder” though. Simply someone that takes advantage of his opportunities, which is exactly what they are supposed to do.
Dear Santa or the 3 Kings,
Can you Please send me Holiday gifts early this year? I want a Jeurys Familia special edition bobblehead doll with the 50th anniversary patch and the Kid patch so I can display it in my “Man cave”. I want a lifesize Fathead poster of Jeury Familia so I can put in my “Man cave”. I want the Charanga ’76 – Somos Familia CD single so I can play it in my “Man cave” when Familia pitches. Most of all please send me a 2012 David Wright stress ball that has his image on it so that whenever he chokes I can choke him.
signed,
Alex68
Hey NJ, I sent you an email from my school account. Just wanted to let you know ahead of time so you wouldn’t just trash it… LOL
LMAO, very creative MNJ.. I had to step out of this discussion, it’s pathetic how people defend that big time choker.. It got to the point that ANGEL PAGAN and LUCAS DUDA were intentionally walked to pitch to HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! because other teams already know that when the pressure is on, he FOLDS!!!!! result of those 2 being walked? a strikeout and a ground out to third, he made manager look hall of famers…
This will be the year to see if David is still the hitter we saw for five years at Shea and that it was indeed Citi Field that frustrated him and affected his swing. He’s always had hitters protecting him in the lineup and does now with Davis, Duda and even Bay so that should not be the problem.
As far as coming through in clutch situations, we know how tough Reggie Jackson was compared to ARod. And for those of us old to remember, the all-time greatest sustained clutch hitting performance coming down the stretch belongs to Carl Yaztresmki back in 1967. Yaz was unbelievable, coming through day in and day out when a hit – or even a home run – was necessary playing under the tremendous pressure of four teams fighting for the AL flag going into the last five days of the season (that’s when nobody remembered who finished second, as Leo Durocher had said). Not to mention making the impossible (or smartest) play in the field as well.
But if anyone wants to go into the discussion of clutch hitting further, attached are a few simple ways of seperating the men from the boys.
http://www.dolphinsim.com/ratings/notes/clutch.html
SRT,
You asked “Find me one ML batter, who did not have a bad at bat.”
Here’s the answer: John Paciorek and Jose Morales (both 3 for 3).
LOL….I stand corrected.
And by the way, my problem with him was not only the at bat, is that throughout the 2008 season he kept choking in big spots after big spots, and yet he was being given a MASSIVE pass, he hit 243 all year with RISP, yet he drove in 124 runs, and his legion of fans of course came on his defense as if he was some sort of demi god who couldn’t be touch or bad mouthed, after he struck out he used the excuse of “he made a great 3-2 pitch”, when that pitch was 6 feet off the PLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! instead of saying i SUCKED or i CHOKED, my final thought ever since is that he’s nothing but an excuse maker was my first reaction, he was exposed ever since, to the point that his fans now consider a ground OUT to 2B a CLUTCH at bat for him LMAO!!!! PATHETIC!!!!!
Again, how sad that you formulated an opinion on a player based on how you perceived that the fans perceived a player.
One thing that has been often ignored and one guy who is treated as demigod by people like Alex was Reyes. Reyes was a supreme choke artist during two pennant race. People love to forget about how lousy Reyes was and hammer away at Beltran or Wright instead. Reyes had the excuses “oh he was tired from stealing so many bases thats why he struggled in Sept”. Reyes in 2007 was so absurdly and ridiculously awful .205/.279/.333/.612 that his awful performance in 2008 .243/.314/.402/.715 was actually considered to be good. Awful both years and got a complete pass both times, The only negativity that choke artist faced was some comments that he danced too much
David Wright’s trade bait diminishes every day. Spring training is to get ready for opening day and reps is what does it. Fewer at bats means that opening day will be his spring training. He should not play hurt but if he is injury prone and can’t get his work in, then he should move on, something I have been saying for two years now. I am just TIRED of this guy.