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2012
Mets Continue To Keep Tabs On Chris Young… WHY?
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Ken Davidoff reports that the Mets continue to keep tabs on starter Chris Young. He is seeking a Major League deal, although Mets prefer a minor league deal.
I just don’t see the point in having him return. He didn’t pitch for the majority of the last season and missed almost the entire season in 2010.
Yeah I get that he pitched well in the beginning of last season for us, but it was only for 5 starts. If Sandy adds him to the minor league roster, he will be doing so because he wants to add starting pitching depth. Can someone please explain to me why you would want to add an injury prone pitcher for depth? If you are bringing in someone to fill in if one of your starters get injured, doesn’t it make sense for you to sign someone who is durable?
Signing Young is a low risk, potentially high reward fill-in option. It doesn’t hurt us to make this move, but I just don’t think it is worth it in the end. There is no reason to believe he is going to stay healthy, so to me it just makes more sense to sign someone who will be there when you need him.
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Why not? Keep tabs on everyone at this point.
You answered your own question. “Signing Young is a low risk, potentially high reward fill-in option. It doesn’t hurt us to make this move…”
If it won’t hurt and could potentially help, well then……….?
My god, Why are we even considering this!?~?~?~ the guy is an injury machine, and i don’t get why the mets felt in love with a guy who had 2 good starts.. miguel batista pitched WAY BETTER!!!
And Batista is on the roster.
Stop freaking out. He’s not getting a major league deal from the Mets. We don’t even know what “keeping tabs on” really means. They could be “keeping tabs on” 100 guys.
Donal, You’re not THAT stupid!!! i know batista is on the roster, my point is BATISTA pitched way better and there was no buzz or anything, stay away from chris young, He already robbed some money from the mets, why bring him back again?
What does “keeping tabs on” mean? I want to know why this is so serious.
Again this time would cost around yours or my salary, why not?
he didn’t rob the Mets of anything. He actually got paid a reasonable amount for what he delivered.
and on a MiL deal, it is worth the risk. if he can’t hold up, he goes away. if you actually get some useful starts out of him, major bonus.
and being short expereinced depth is the reason to do it.
and I really don’t see Batista having done better. Might have thown more innings but they were better overall.
Yeah someone who actually looks the cost of wins or quality innings want to help us here? I am not sure 1.1M (if that was even what he was paid, we have no idea the actual contract terms) was over priced.
ahh, we paid 1.1 million got 2 wins and 5 starts, he did okay so it was worth the money
meet the new thinking – as long as it was cost-effective who cares about anything else, who cares about what it takes to win.
That’s the way it is now – lowering the bar and less importance on winning. Easy to lose interest
How much did the Yankees pay per win last year?
Again, we are talking about a minor league deal. What is the harm?
absolutley. He gave good results for (I thought 4) the time he was in the rotation. So assume 4, that is 1/8 of a full season. Project that, and it works out to a salary of 8.8mill.
so based on that, he pitched like a solid mid rotation guy, and got paid appropriately for what he did.
so answering the question no, he did not steal from the Mets like Alex claimed.
and he DID do what was needed to win. He pitched effectivley in his starts, and gave teh mets a chance to win games.
unbelievable way to look at things – he was a BUST!
Some busts cost more than others but a bust is a bust. If he doesn’t get hurt and since he was pitching very well he could have helped the Mets stay relevant into Sept. Imagine what could have been if Young and Ike didn’t get hurt
There is only one mind set – WINNING.
He was a BUST.
If i invest money in producing a product, and it’s not much money, but it did not sell than I wasted my time and money on an idea that I thought would make me much more money. It’s not breaking my bank and I’m not going out of business but it’s still a BUST
To think of it in any other teams is lowering the bar and missing the mark and compromising yourself of your ultimate goal.
As for the other misanthrope who follows me around – i was not talking about the merits of signing him to a minor league deal. That is an entirely different subject and did not offer an opinion on it. But those are the types of people that create 100 comment threads cuz they always misunderstand, put words in your mouth, and like to play semantics.
But you also have to look at it this way, you need 162 starts total on the season. You pay pitchers money for those 162 starts. For Young you paid 1.1M for 4 of those 162 starts.
Chris Young was a reasonable attempt last year and who can really say who else we went after that had better options or just flat out wanted to play somewhere else but even though he was a reasonable attempt, I can’t really say he was a success since he didn’t make into May and it’s impossible to say he would have pitched well in starts 6-30 even if he had remained healthy. The best we could have hoped for was another supplemental round draft choice or a deadline deal for a catching prospect and we didn’t get it. All we got was a few good starts.
I was on with signing him last year cause we had a spot on the roster (with Johan moved to the DL, Frankie on the suspended list and Hairston and Harris signing minor league contracts but this year we had to add Flores, Familia, Lagares, and Carson to the 40 and signing Young to a Major league deal means one of those guys has to go and could be lost.
The potential upside of Chris Young this year isn’t worth losing one of those guys who could be up here in a key role for a long time. Minor league deal or no deal
Bayonne…do you talk like you type when your “coaching”? (God bless those poor, poor kids…) As in…”Ok kids, the SIGN says, NO pepper! Why are YOU over there playing PEPPER?! Do i HAVE to spell IT out for you?!” “YOU over THERE, spitting sunflower SEEDS! You are a BUST”…ya know, stuff like that.
No big deal, just curious.
So Ike Davis is a bust too?
Not even close to the same thing. Chris Young signed a one year contract, so he can only help the team win for one year, so since he only made 4 starts he is a bust. Ike Davis is a homegrown player, so even though he got hurt, he isn’t a bust because he will be here for the next year, and the year after that, and so on.
And that’s why what Des’ is saying doens’t make any sense either. Because Reyes’ contract was for more than one year, so because how he played in those other years in his contract, it made up for the lost season in 2009.
He gave good results for (I thought 4) the time he was in the rotation. So assume 4, that is 1/8 of a full season. Project that, and it works out to a salary of 8.8mill”
ARE YOU F’ING SERIOUS!?!?!!?!?!?!!? We should increase the salary of miguel batista while we at it and reduce jason bay’s and david wright’s, it doesn’t work that way, kelvim escobar didn’t pitch yet got paid around the same as young and minaya got KILLED around here for singing oft injured guys.. this is PATHETIC and ASENINE, you’re assuming what his value is IF he wouldn’t have gotten hurt? guess what, there’s a reason why he was cheap from the get go, nobody doubt he’s been an ok pitcher, but he’s an injury prone guy therefore diminishin his value, he came here for a $1.1 million salary and pitched only 4 games, he was a BUST, it was a risk sandy alderson took and he once again FAILED, bad signing, i am sure if he would’ve pitched capuano like all you sandy lovers wouldn’t shut up about how great your lord is, this guy is a bum and is not worth the time even, MOVE ON!!!!!!
It’s just a different point of view. Some of us look at the big picture instead of the individual. Neither is actually right or wrong. I look at it that they paid him 1.1M, he pitched 4 starts of the needed 162 starts.
I remember you complaining in 2009 when Jose Reyes played only 36 games for a $5-$6 Million dollar salary. In those 36 games he batted all of .279, had two homers, two triples and seven doubles. You said he being paid too much money. Didn’t you?
Or was it somebody else who was griping?
i don’t remember saying such a thing and if you’re not sure then don’t bring someone’s name up.
But then again you have been proven to be DISHONEST and flat out LIE and intentionally mislead on this board before. And I have proven it. You just disgust me. And you’re also a sore loser who doesn’t know when to admit their predictions are wrong..and they usually are.
You’re just a dishonest person who feels that’s the way the world is so there’s no problem in engaging in it yourself. You’re just old and forget that people can go back and retain things that you’ve said on the internet. You’re just a liar.
OK back to the question. Did Jose Reyes steal from the Mets that year? Did Johan steal from the Mets last year? Did Pedro still from the Mets for years?
you’re smart enough to know the difference, did omar sign johan to a 7 year contract KNOWING he was hurt?!?! seriously, CHRIS YOUNG is a waste of a 40 man roster, he’ll be injure if you give him a wrong look, why go that way again!!!
Does not have to be on the 40 man roster Alex. That’s the point.
And if he makes it then gets hurt again after 4 starts and by then we lose someone who might’ve been a great player for us? no to chris young, tab or no tab, NO!!!!!
And who might we be losing? You have disposable guys that usually pass through waivers that are on your 40 man roster. See guys like Nick Evans.
Bayonne — Humor is apparently lost on folks with low intelligence. Of course you didn’t complain — that was my point!!! Regarding your disgust, it’s something you complain about when you cant win a point. I join a legion of folks who you’ve called a liar, disgusting, or dishonest. So cheer up chump.
500K per win is a reasonable reward?
Well lets see. Take the average MLB salary and divide it by the average MLB wins and you will get what the average win was worth last year.
Does anyone know if he’s even healthy?
No, that’s why the Mets are “keeping tabs” on him.
WOW blood pressure off the charts because a source said they are keeping TABS…….
Kay — It’s time to bring out the straight jackets and to head for the rubber room for some of these folks. Such angst over a practice every team does. And the names they call the good folks — it’s time to cringe in fear and to seek to be more like them. Yuk, yuk.
Only some Met fans could be this ridiculously angry about ‘keeping tabs’ on an pitcher coming back from injury.
Get back to me if/when they sign him.
And yet they don’t watch Kazmir or something of that ilk work out and they are cursed for inaction…
Agreed. They kept “tabs” on him too and for now it appears he was not very impressive.
I don’t care that they are keeping tabs on him…
I do have a problem with people suggesting he is low risk!
He’s as low risk as Santana is right now! Same injury, Same procedure! Less rehab time!
Why is he low risk because he doesn’t cost much? Well if he costs anything and SUCKS then thats a HIGH RISK of wasting more money everyone claims we can’t afford!
If cheap with no proof of success and durability is low risk then start Misch who is cheaper and less of a risk of durability until such time as Young shows he can pitch and has no issues where you can decide to replace him!
The guy actually owes us something as we subsidized a year of his rehab of an injury he had before he got here!
I can understand holing the other team’s hostage for a MLB deal (no one will give him until he pitches) but he should be more than willing to take a MiL contract from us so he can continue his rehab, get his pitching up to snuff and if he finds a team that wants him then we can trade him!
If he doesn’t like that deal then let him look elsewhere for that MLB contract because we got some kids in the Minors that cost less and have no injury issues to overcome!
I don’t think anyone here is saying give him a MLB deal. Just that keeping tabs on him and then signing him to an MILB deal has potential to cost us about 25K if there is an out clause which I am sure both parties would want.
I wasn’t really commenting on the tabs, just the notion that he is low risk!
He’s HIGH risk and at best you can say he might also be LOW COST!
LOW COST Low Risk!
Roster spot, no Roster no matter what we would essentially be extending his contract to rehab the same injury he had when he got here!
If he isn’t willing to give us a leg up on the rest of the MLB by agreeing to some deal where he can leave his options open and we get something in return for all that money he didn’t earn then the hell with him!
Metsie — you seem like a smart guy who is unaware of the principles of risk analysis. I bet Sandy and his front office team practice it frequently. It’s relates the severity of possible adverse consequences, and the likelihood of occurrence of each consequence. Comparing Santana, Young and Misch shows confusion and is silly.
Excuse me Des but I’m an Enginner which is ALL ABOUT Risk analysis and management!
And I don’t use CHEAPER equipment because of the PRACTICALITY of it’s expense because the RISK is that it might FAIL TO WORK!
Sure I saved a buck, but its a piddling amount compared to what I might LOSE because it took me off the air!
So I saved 1 MIl for a solution but did I save a Mil? Or did I LOSE TWO because the one mil option failed and I had to spend another Mil to replace it?
My point is I have things that are actually CHEAPER available that can do the same job with NO risk!
In fact don’t cost me a penny because they are already being paid!
So your CHEAP low risk isn’t cheaper and it is still a major risk of needing replacement which means I wasted the money on HIM and his replacement!
2 Freaking starts, TWO and all the sudden the guy is a cy young winner for the mets, and fans (Sandy’s lovers and apologists) somehow want this guy back!!!
AMAZING!
Pretty sure it was 4 starts, 2 really good ones, one that he pitched well but threw too many pitches and one bad one.
Also, it has NOTHING to do with Sandy. Why do you continue to make this about Sandy? I said the same thing back when Omar was GM, find guys that are low risk and stash them in AAA.
Not one person ever said that, but the facts never seem to be your forte.
Again, seriously what is the harm in either of these? A) Keeping tabs on him to see if he recovers and will accept a minor league deal A2) While they are keeping tabs he proves to be healthy enough to go to AAA and not even take up a spot on the 40 man.
I just can’t see ANY downside in frigging “keeping tabs.”
You answered your own question Dan. The Mets are keeping tabs cause “Young is a low risk, potentially high reward fill-in option.” The difference this season compared to last is if the reports are true Young wants a Major League contract and the Mets are unwilling. Based on him getting reinjured again last season the Mets are correct to not be willing to give him a Major League contract. Now if he eventually sees that no one is wiling to give him a MLB contract and all that is out there are minor league contracts then eventually he may choose to sign one with the Mets as opposed to somewhere else.
I don’t have a problem signing him to a minor league contract if in the end that is what happens.
Right as long as one of his demands is also not to be placed immediately on the 40 man roster either. IF he agrees to that then what possible harm is there? Have an opt out clause in the contract to protect both sides and you are most likely paying him 25K.