Just opening up all the doubt and suspicions just when you thought it was all over and done with.

I know exactly you how you feel.

Today I was all set to watch my first baseball game (albeit, spring training and only the Yankees). The picture from Florida on our HD set was gorgeous and all I could think of was that baseball was back. Then during his pre-game warmup, I heard Michael Kay raving about the dominating numbers put up by Roy Halliday and the first thought that entered my mind was “steroids”.

The whole Braun situation has again taken a lot of the fun out of it for me when the above has to be my initial, emotional reaction regarding a superstar- and that makes me feel sick inside. Even with ARod and that home run, I wondered if he was still juicing himself and masking it in the urine samples.

Braun’s actions did more than just stir up arguments about the wording of the agreement and getting away with a suspension through a loophole for the suspension in itself (other than for Brewer fans) means less to me than what it implies is still going on.

I’m sure we’ll find things to disagree about but Met CFer’s probably won’t be one of them. At least past one’s.

I just wish this whole steroid thing hadn’t been re opened.

It was McGwire who said “I wanted to talk about this, I wanted to get this off my chest. We didn’t get immunity. So here I am in this situation with two scenarios: possible prosecution or possible grand jury testimony.” If that’s not the truth, then it means he didn’t want to get it off his chest all those years as badly as he professing he wanted to.

There’s a lie somewhere. Either he 1) didn’t want to say things in front of the Congressional Committee in fear of possible prosecution and bringing others in front of a grand jury or 2) had nothing to fear and just didn’t want to say those things he admits to now for reasons that had nothing to do with prosecution or bringing others in front of a grand jury.

So if what you say is true, it then implies what McGwire said in that interview about wanting to get it off his chest all those years but couldn’t was all boulder-dash.

Of course you are correct. And how could I ever disagree with one who adopted his nic-name after my favorite all-time Met center fielder?

While I don’t profess to know if there was a statute of limitations or not, he did make the confession after it was a condition set forth by the Cardinals for him to return as a batting coach.

I spoke about his use of Andro as being legal at the time!
Is that all he used?
Did he stop using it after it was no longer legal?
is THAT why he didn’t want to talk about the past?

Dio you have proof of any of that or are you just so stone headed that you refuse to admit the ORIGINAL POINTS of this subject you were WRONG and just need to keep it going until I give up so you can feel better about that?

If you have proof he broke the law show it already!
If you don’t you lose this argument and will be ignored from now on because I get better things to do with my ytime than entertaining your attempts to save face when your DEAD WRONG!

You seem to be pretty certain that he wasn’t exposed to criminal charges but his own statements contradict that stance. I’m not making anything up, I’m taking the words that came right out of his own mouth to form my opinion.

OK fair enough, you feel he never had anything to worry about from federal prosecution, I feel differently based to a large extent on him saying exactly that.

To each their own.

He didn’t want to talk about the past!

Are you sure Andro was the only thing he took in the past?
I’m not!

He admitted he took Andro…WHY? Because it wasn’t illegal to take it at the time! He admitted that in 1999!

Long before he went to congress!
He didn’t get immunity in what was not much more than a witchhunt!
Note to this date not a single player has been TRIED let alone convicted of taking Roids which are NOW (since 2005) illegal!

You keep talking about what he said when he had a press conference two years ago!
But you seem to keep bypassing the day he was in front of congress and did not plead the 5th amendment merely refused to answer questions about the past!

Did you know if you answer ANY question you also give up your right to take the 5th amendment?

You guys can rant and rant on about what you THINK happened and what happened or was said AFTER the fact…But it doesn’t change history and your attempts to REWRITE that history by claiming he refused to testify, took the 5th in front of congress, Your fantasy that he denied taking Andro in 1999 and it’s legality at the time he took it just shows you guys just want to argue for the sake of arguing and don’t want to admit when you get proved wrong WITH facts and links that neither of you have provided!

Reeks of what Xtreem does if you ask me!

He INSISTS something he made up is the truth and if you don’t BUY into his insistence you must be crazy!

If you don’t know the facts and the timeline of this issue then stop pretending like you do!

Yes he took PEDs! They were not anabolics at the time he took then as far as the LAW is concerned and he admitted taking them long before the law was enacted!

You got a problem with that then start bitching about the LEAGUE who was 3 or 4 years behind the times on PEDS that the NFL and Olympics already knew were being used and enhancing performance!

Don’t hang the guy who played within their rules hang the guys who refused to MAKE the rules that would have stopped him!

My opinion is to take his words on the matter at face value. He wasn’t offered immunity and based on his attorneys advice, fearing either a grand jury investigation involving his family (one of whom wrote a book about about his illegal usage of PED’s) or the filing of criminal charges against him sought to evade discussing the matter in a way scripted by his attorneys.

He did in the end up however, perhaps after statue of limitations had passed, admit to some vague general use of PED’s when he wanted to come back into baseball as a hitting coach.

Clearly one’s counsel doesn’t give a client a script from which to follow in order to avoid a criminal investigation or the filing of criminal charges unless he or she is of the opinion that the client is vulnerable to either or both.

Sorry but if the defense was “it was legal at the time” that’s what he would have said and no one would have feared an investigation or criminal charges because after all if it was legal at the time………

I posted quotes from McGwire where he specifically said he could subject not only himself but his family and friends into possible grand jury testimony, he could also subject himself to possible prosecution because he wasn’t granted immunity. What I quoted were McGwire’s exact word which I will repeat:

“After all this time, I want to come clean. I was not in a position to do that five years ago in my congressional testimony.”

“I wanted to talk about this, I wanted to get this off my chest. We didn’t get immunity. So here I am in this situation with two scenarios: possible prosecution or possible grand jury testimony.”

Sounds different from what you then said to me:

“All he did was refuse to answer questions about the past and said he wanted to talk about the future! He did not deny, take the fith or perjure himself!”

You ignored citing one of the reasons behind his decision to refuse answering those questions – the legal counsel he received. Does that mean you believe McGwire was not telling the truth to Bob Costas and used his lawyers as the excuse as to why he didn’t speak up sooner?

And it wasn’t that he was just looking to protect his loved ones and friends from testifying – he said (again I quote) “I am in this situation with two scenarios: possible prosecution or possible grand jury testimony.”. He was also subject to “possible prosecution” using his own words.

Until you post that I suggest they didn’t think he could incriminate himself any further than he did in 1999 when he admitted using Andro!

Please note where he took the 5th amemdment to anyone and if you can’t there is no point arguing a fact that obviously doesn’t exist!

Brilliant! Claim I was speeding while parked and thus the ticket was incorrect and I get off on a loophole – just put into evidence a bottle of speed which cannot incriminate me for anything since the officer did not ask for a search warrant to search the vehicle.

An inspired defensive move. No wonder McGwire didn’t want to talk about the past without you by his side!

If not please stop with your stubbiorn attempt at winning a point based on some fantasy you percieved as happening!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=steroids&num=8

When Wilstein sought confirmation of McGwire’s andro use, the Cardinals dismissed him. “Androstenedione?” said a team spokesman. “He doesn’t even know how to spell it.” But then McGwire admitted to the AP that he’d taken andro for more than a year, and added, “Everybody I know in the game of baseball uses the same stuff I use.”

So he denied it to the press for a year (No Perjury) and then admitted to it in 1999!

So when was this lack of admission of which you speak?

because he didn’t want to RE-ADMIT in front of congress years after he already admitted to the press?

Please Tag stop insisting like your buddy Xtreeme because it isn’t an effective proof compared to the links of the timings I have been providing!

You guys obviously THINK you know what happened when but your posts clearly show you do not and are prosecuting guys on beliefs not FACTS!

That’s because McGwire had the wrong lawyer….., he wanted Metsi but he wasn’t available because he was helping me get out of paying a parking ticket.

It’s a prohormone that was CLASSIFIED later as an anabolic by Congress!

Andro is and was an anabolic steroid.