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2012
David Wright Has Rib Tear
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David Wright has told reporters that he has a small tear in his “rectus abdominis” which is also known as the “six pack”.
He stated that he thought it was a rib cage injury until he had an MRI done, and says that he expects the cortisone shot he had on Monday to take 48 hours to work, which means the injury should improve sometime today.
He says that he should be ready for Opening Day saying, “It’s just a matter of getting back in the swing of things and making sure that I can get back on the field as soon as my body will allow me to, and then get some at-bats.”
Wright has missed all Spring Training Games so far due to the injury.
“There’s no timetable that I have yet,” said Wright, who missed three months with a fractured back a year ago. “It’s a day-by-day thing.”
He expects to begin by hitting off a tee, although he’s not sure when that will start. And he can take ground balls, but not throw, since he still has to stay away from “rotational” motions.
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This never would have happened if he wasn’t the least clutch, softest, most-favored Golden Boy in the his-to-ree of all sports since the days of the cave man.
His ribs clearly are soft ribs.
And unclutch ribs.
Didn’t Sandy and his saber-goons know about his soft ribs?
Hey Alex–Just stopped by for a visit. I always did appreciate your sense of humor.
You need to teach Bayonne to have one!
Kingman, What can i say… at the end of the day we’re all METS FANS… Except for some fake ass Bi**** in here who love the braves and their prospects… SMH…
or the one who jumped on the Marlins bandwagon.
LOL
Sadly, they’ll be some that believe this.
I just hope he doesn’t wind up needed surgery – like Zimmerman did for same type injury last year.
Unreal! A Rectus Abdominus tear. Sounds like a Roman Gladiator. Whats next a Rectal tear. He’ll be ready for opening day? Just like Beltran will be back in early May and Johan will be back by the Allstar break and Ike will be back in 2 weeks. This will probably linger all year long, every time he takes a big rip we’ll have to wonder if he reinjures it. Only the Mets!
Actually, in this case, NOT only the Mets. This injury is the same thing that happened to Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals last year. He wound up having surgery and missing 60 games.
Sounds like a weight-lifting injury?
Bayonne, to help you out, that may be a cause, but also:
“You have a particularly high risk of straining your abdomen if you engage in physical labor or athletic activities. Labor-related causes of a strain include sudden twisting motions or the lifting of heavy objects. Athletics-related causes include pole-vaulting, weightlifting, swimming the breaststroke, performing sit-ups and engaging in skating or hockey. If you are overweight or out of shape, you may also develop an abdominal strain if you perform physical activities without proper preparation. In some cases, prolonged or energetic sneezing or coughing may also trigger an abdominal strain.
Anything could’ve trigger this injury…
Right and it’s a slippery slope because most trainers will say that the root of all evil is spending too much time working on the pretty parts and not enough time working on the core. Thus now days the core is getting much more attention than it ever has.
well, you can thank Alex for that!
Totally saw the core pun reactions coming from a mile away, haha.
Thus now days the core is getting much more attention than it ever has”
Yet this one actually exist in the physical realm instead of the fantasy realm.
don’t be mad be merry… or as the JOKER would say, WHY SO SERIOUS!?!?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQHfoz9Be7U
Oh don’t get me wrong I love a good version of Alex in Wonderland. I saw it twice.
First of all are you sure it was the same injury as Zimmerman? If it is we’re screwed.
Second, I would have sworn a rectus tear would have been related to his ass.
Nice one, haha. But Rectus is straight and rectal is ass.
Furthermore, Zimmerman had surgery to repair a full tear of a rectus abdominis muscle and was out 6 weeks, to my knowledge. It was the same injury, but I believe Zimmerman had a full tear compared to Wright’s minor tear.
Will say this: Am I 100% sure that it is the same injury? No. I do not know any of the particulars from Zimmerman’s injury. However, a Nationals writer has said that it is the same injury. I am saying it based off of him, and if I am wrong, I am wrong.
First of all are you sure it was the same injury as Zimmerman? If it is we’re screwed’
Kranepool, care to elaborate as to why!?!?
Perhaps because the team cant afford to lose a 300 hitter out of the lineup? Just a guess though!
I’ll go with what Kay just said. That and a 90+ RBI bat. Plus it would seriously have a negative impact on any trade value. Weren’t you looking to trade him for Hanley if I’m not mistaken?
Would it be inappropriate if i said I love you? LOLOL
Hope you are feeling well, sounds like it! Lolol
254 14 61 can we somewhere find where he hit 300 last year or where he drove in 90+ runs??? and joe D, YES, i’d take hanram over wright any day, but the marlins are not STUPID to make that trade straight up, we’ll have to throw in more in there..
So only last years stats count, yeah screw the fact he is a career 300 hitter.
Smh
Well, some people like to only use LAST YEAR to based a player’s career, you know, kinda like with HANRAM…
but if you go back to his last 3 years wright’s number will be like this:
284 18 79
i clearly said career, but going by your selective criteria this team still cant afford to lose a 284 18 79 guy.
Even if it is the guy you have an obsessive hatred for.
Hatred? i don’t hate wright, i’ve actually met him, back in 2006, i even spoke to him a bit, told him i was proud of him and the mets.. of course, back then he was clutch and beltran and reyes were the leader of the team…
come on, Reyes was never a leader on this team from any report.
Come on stick, you remember how he was always there to answer all the reporters tough questions during the collapse. Just ask Billy.
AHhhh, of course, the english barrier. it goes back to that.. got it…. it shows what you really pay attention to TRS.. keep it classy..
English barrier? My ass. He certainly was there to answer all the questions when things were going good. The guy was one of the first ones out after a loss and wanted no part of answering those questions. He certainly has had his share of interviews since leaving the Mets? They must have all been in Spanish. Certainly none of the Redsox or Braves Hispanic players were there to answer questions during their collapse and a guy like Pujols struggles with interviews.
For years we heard about his maturity issues and how he needed a damn mentor around just to make sure he wasn’t going out and partying the night away or staying focused during the game.
Come on this is just pure bias.
Ohh making excuses? I thought this was a no excuse Mets zone? Right.
By the way, as a non Spanish Speaking person, I always admired at how well and fast Reyes picked up English and thought he did a very good job in communicating………soooo that can’t be it……nope
Yeah yeah yea you’ve said 685,987 times.
Clutch clutch clutch
I am shocked Wright can tie his own shoes now that that Reyes is gone since he did everything for this team, especially all those championships, oh wait..
Keep waiting in the headcase Hanley while you have the nads to call others Braves fans
Well, considering how WELL wright did in the playoffs, specially against st louis in the NLCS we all know he’s not at fault for us not winning a title… (Roll eyes)
Compared to Reyes’ October for the ages.
Why does Wright’s 333 avg in the NLDS get ignored?
Alex, you should know:
100 RBI Seasons: Wright 5, Ramirez 1
.300 BA Seasons: Wright 5, Ramirez 4
25+ HR Seasons: Wright 5, Ramirez 2
OPS+ Over 120 Seasons: Wright 6, Ramirez 4
2011 Season: Wright .264 – 14 HR – 64 RBI, Ramirez .245 – 10 HR – 45 RBI
Gold Gloves: Wright 2, Ramirez 0
All Star Selections: Wright 5, Ramirez 3
MVP Votes: Wright 5, Ramirez 3
Calls Out Teammates: Wright 0, Ramirez 5
Headaches: Wright 0, Ramirez 100
Baggage: Wright 0 Pounds, Ramirez 10 Tons
Just saying….
LOL and that’s a well then.
Let’s not get facts get in the way of a good rant.
Joe D, hanley primarely has been leadoff guy, 2nd in the lineup, 3rd, and he was not surrounded by all stars on his team as wright had been, when there’s noone around wright is a so so hitter, we’ve seen the numbers hanram has put up with NOONE around him, with him being the whole focus of the offense, unlike wright, who went from being a 300+ 25+ 100+ hitter to a mere 284 18 79 the last 3 season while being injured etc… again, IMO, i’d take hanram ANYDAY over this big time choker, don’t give me that bullcrap about hanram being a bad guy etc, i have not heard any teammate said anything bad about him, it’s all media related, same thing with some met players as well, REYES WAS A ROLE MODEL, and he was shown the door, baseball is business, guess what, if a deal present itself hanley for wright right now, you don’t think sandy will send wright packing?!?!?!!?
Yeah media related ok. Ever hear of Dan Uggla or Freddy Gonzalez?
I am selling a bridge too!
You should have read my comment from about 15 minutes before yours before the “media related” thing. It’s not. It’s Hanley.
‘if a deal present itself hanley for wright right now, you don’t think sandy will send wright packing?!?!?!!?’
No.
Of course, you wouldn’t want that, he’s your dream guy.. but guess what, wright will be out of here, and there might be a possibility it WON’T be for theright package since SANDY ALDERSON is the GM, If he’s having a good season sayonara by july, if he’s not, we’re stuck with him, just like velcro…
You asked if SA would do that trade. I responded no.
But no, wouldn’t want him to do that either. What are we gaining from that?
If this team can’t afford Wright, they can’t afford Hanley either.
And stop with the dream boy crap.
I never said that at anytime. But I can imagine where you got that impression from.
Funny,then why get rid of UGGLA for nothing and FIRED freddy instead of giving hanley a contract and keeping him instead of the other 2??? Don’t give me that crap, freddy is a DB, PLAYERS have said so, and uggla it’s another guy who even look like a DB, but let’s blame hanley, he’s the outsider.. AGAIN, I WILL TAKE HANRAM 100000000X ahead of wright… period…
Marlins.com
Fredi Garcia, Edwin Rodriguez, Joe Girardi, a couple teammeates..at what point do you realize the problem isn’t with the rest of the world?
Want to know why Ramirez is still there? He’s Loria’s pet. That is not a secret. Ramirez gets coddled by the front office (the group you defend so quickly) and it costs the team.
That is going to be one hell of a show with Ramirez, Guillen, Loria and Zambrano.
He’s had 1880 PA as leadoff and 1700 as 3/4. He actually started performing worse in the three spot, there may have been some chokage going on.
If Hanley Ramirez has no baggage and no problems with teammates, why did he call a press conference when spring training started and say “I want to put my past mistakes behind me. In 2012 you will see a different Hanley Ramirez, a better one.”
Why did he have to put his past mistakes behind him?
Why did he need to reinvent himself?
Why did he make this comment after the game on March 6:
“It’s back this spring, and people who have known me understand,” said Ramirez. “I’ll admit that it wasn’t there the last couple of years.”
What did he mean “it wasn’t there”?
Was he being lazy and not trying to win?
Did he give up?
I’m not going to make excuses. A lot was my fault. I had a terrible season [.243 average, .712 OPS in 2011], and I know it.”
He also made the above comment, why did he need to say that?
What was his fault?
You seem to be defending a player who is disliked by most Miami Marlins fans I know. And he is disliked a lot more than the few people in THE CORE who dislike Wright.
Just saying….
Facts are facts.
I can answer that, what wasn’t there? the swagger, the confidence, the joy of playing baseball because he was being blame for eveything around the marlins, was he at fault? sure he was, he acted IMMATURE, but again, he is still a kid for his age (now 28, back then 24-25) but let me clear something for you joe D, since you wanna throw #’s out there, get this numbers including last year’s:
Career 306 hitter, 317 before last year
Home BA 306 Road BA 305
First half BA 302 Second Half BA 311 (gets better)
Aug/Sept line 325 45 134 in 1000 PA with OBP of 401 and Slug % 551
BATTING LEADOFF Line 309 70 181 in 1643 PA with OBP 385 Slug % 553 with 120 SB
BATTING 3RD, UNLIKE YOU SAID: 308 51 210 in 1376 PA 378 and 485
Career RISP 300 27 296 in 745 PA with 390 OBP and 474 slug %
Career RISP with 2 OUTS 288 11 122 in 337 PA with 389 OBP and 486 Slug %
Batting Champion, 3x All Star, Rookie of the year (since around here that’s a huge deal for some), Runner up MVP, 3 times finished in top 11 and in only in 6th full seasons he has 134 Hr’s and 214 Sb’s.. Candidate for maybe be a 300 300 guy when is all said and done, maybe more…
Anymore Questions?????
” the swagger, the confidence, the joy of playing baseball because he was being blame for eveything around the marlins”
Hmm, maybe I can use this as an excuse for one of OUR players?
More spin from the MMO’s New Chief BSer needs to be answer. Who is Hanley Ramirez? Why is he disrespected and a lump of coal instead of a diamond? Here’s one reason.
Read it here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5204020
‘I’m not going to say a lot, because if you say the wrong the thing to me, then you might wind up on the floor on your rear end.’
Jayson Stark: Crossroads for Ramirez
Marlins shortstop Hanley Ramirez is at a crossroads: He can either be stamped for the rest of his career as a guy who doesn’t hustle, doesn’t care and doesn’t get it, or he can use this week’s drama for fuel, writes Jayson Stark. Story
Mark Kreidler: It’s Not About The Money
Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez got this right: The way to get to a player’s heart isn’t through his wallet. Playing time is the last hammer that most coaches and managers have left, writes Mark Kreidler. Story
“I said, ‘I’m going to give it to you raw. I’m not telling you how to play the game. You have a ton of ability, but there’s more than just going out and having a ton of ability. With that comes some ground rules, some things that you will learn as you go along the way.’ ”
According to the Post, Dawson added: ” ‘But you’ve got to start thinking about setting an example and having your teammates respect you in the manner that they should. That act that you put on, that’s poor. That’s not going to cut it.’ ”
LOL get him HAWK.
“REYES WAS A ROLE MODEL”
Really?
The same Reyes who got in a fight with Keith Hernandez on a plane?
The same Reyes who made the Mets such a huge target that the Cardinals chanted Jose after they won?
The same Reyes who started a brawl with the Marlins?
The same Reyes who was linked directly to being treated by Galea?
The same Reyes who knew he wouldn’t be a Met in 2012 so he took himself out of game 162 to lock up a personal award?
Let me clue you into a little piece about 2012 professional athletes. The term “role model” and their name do not belong together.
Joe D — This morning Alex was spinning his ‘Wright needs Delgado and Beltran’ pitch. He gets an idea and doesn’t let the facts bother himself. So here is a comparison of Wright vs. Delgado for Carlos’ three best years with the Mets — from 2006 to 2008. Let the numbers tell the truth.
Delgado no way. Delgado had three good years with the Mets, 2006-2008. He was in Florida in 2005 and he didn’t do much at all in 2009. In 2009 he played only in 26 games.
Let’s compare Delgado and Wright for the 2006-2008 period. Carlos had BA’s of .265, .258 and .271. Wright for the same three years had BA’s of .311, .325 and .302. For the period, Delgado had 440 hits. Wright had 566 hits. How about doubles? Delgado had 92, but Wright had 124. Triples? Delgado had 3, but Wright had 8. Only in HR’s did Delgado have more than Wright, 100 to 89. Carlos had 198 BB but David had 254 BB. When on base, Carlos had 5 SB, but David had 69 SB.
So who was better as a hitter in 2006-2008? Overall Wright clearly was better. He hit 11 less homers but he had 126 more hits, 32 more 2B and 5 more 3B. Wright’s BA was about 40 points higher on average. Wright also had 64 more SB. This leads to the overall conclusion that Wright was more valuable to the Mets for the three year period.
complete baloney and you could not post a more uneducated argument.
As much as i was not a big fan of Delgado that’s neither here nor there – he was the GLUE of those teams during those years and the Mets do not have the run they did without him. And he saved many a bad throw from Wright.
Sure Wright hit better those years and helped get the Mets to where they were but make no mistake that when it came to closing the deals it was Delgado & Beltran who led the charge during those years.
Just stop with your favoritism. Favoritism clouds judgement. I have favorites but i do no let it cloud my judgement.
Bayonne — Why do you feel the need to argue with the facts? Point out any fact or stat that is wrong. Until you can, you’re just wrong. BTW, did you think your buddy couldn’t defend himself? lol. Look at the facts, not the name on the uniform.
i know the facts and I saw the same collapses YOU did. I saw Wright CHOKE starting during the playoffs in 2006 and sure the Mets as a team beat up on the competition all year in 07 &08 but when push came to shove during September HE folded while Delgado & Beltran and their previous experience of being in playoff hunts helped lead those teams as far as they can.
SO don’t you tell me. I’m not looking for someone to give me nice looking window dressing numbers that look decent spread out over an entire year – as always i look for players who can deliver when you need them the MOST – offensively, defensively, & as team leaders.
Delgado & Beltran were the leaders of those teams. Not David Wright – and as much as the press tried to run with Pre-Season stories as David Wright as a leader as they did then and do now it ALWAYS winds up that he’s NOT the leader. 2011 was so evident of that, that as soon as Beltran came back all the players flocked to HIM as their leader as YOU KNOW and as everybody here knows. To deny that is simply lying to yourself.
And as for numbers i have these about Delgado in 08. I’m busy and am not going to look up 2007, i just happened to have those 2008 numbers in hand.:
Bayonne Mets Fan September 13, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Carlos Delgado also had a STELLAR performance in Sept. 2008 for the Mets and did HIS best to keep the Mets in the hunt:
He had 22 RBis in Sept. of 08, 14 of which were in wins and 8 in losses but wait:
2 were in a 4-2 win vs. Mil
4 were in a 6-3 victory over Phil on Sept. 7!
3 were in a 10-8 win over Wash!
He drove in 1 in that 13-10 win over the Nats
2 were in a 9-7 win over the Nats!
Now check out 7 of those 8 RBIs he had in losses
3 were in a 7-6 loss to the Braves
4 were in a 9-6 loss to the Cubs!!!!
So Beltran and Delgado did their part to keep the Mets afloat during the September 2008 collapse. If only one more hitter did his part the Mets would be in the post season.
Again, no matter how many saves were blown the Mets STILL had their chances to win.
Look,
These arguments are going to go nowhere because Des will do like he always does – he supports the players he likes ahead of trying to evaluate what is best for the team as a whole.
That’s what Des does.
If Beltran or Wright hit like Delgado in the first half of 2007 or 2008 the Mets aren’t even in a pennant race and if Delgado hadn’t had such poor first halves both years the Mets are setting up the rotation and resting players during both Marlin Series.
Nice 2 for 11 with one RBI (SF) and a GIDP by Delgado the last Marlin Series in 2008 too.
That was clutch.
..that means NOTHING! You know why? Because all you’re going to wind up is with the same results anyway.
It all means NOTHING if you can’t close the deal. And Delgado & Beltran were the deal closers and the leaders for those teams. They did their best at the end while Wright & Reyes both choked when the Mets needed them the most. But as for who hit how good early in the year? It means NOTHING if do not close the deal.
But that’s t agee reasoning for you. This is the guy that looks back and second guesses ALL the Mets good teams because he’s obsessed with draft picks and since the Mets LOST those games on the field – regardless of who performed and who didn’t – he comes back NOW and talks about his lost draft picks and all of that garbage.
That’s why he second guesses the whole history of the Mets – because while building those teams to compete some sacrifices had to be made AT THAT TIME.
But we have t agee here 15 years later reminding us every day about lost draft picks – AFTER the Mets lost the big games. He’ll come back with something loony now, he always does
Delgado did have a very good September. However, anyone that knows or played the game KNOWS that the season is NOT just played in September. Delgado was MIA for April, May and June. Perhaps had he showed up and helped the team win a few more games in those THREE months, this conversation would be taking place for the millionth time.
Wright’s numbers mirrored Delgado in September of 08, but, he did strike out with Murphy on 3rd in a tie game so NONE of his numbers count. Didn’t matter that Reyes grounded out in the 8th with a runner on 3rd that would have put them ahead, nor did it matter that the BP gave up three more runs in the 10th WRIGHT made the first out of the 9th, I say release the bum.
Talk about favoritism……or is it more double standards?
It’s really weird Kay. Almost like nothing that happens in the first half of the season means anything to how and why your up against a couple of games in the last series. Same thing goes for AB’s in innings 1-7.
This is totally false and the type of thing you might hear from some newscaster or something. The fact is every single AB is crucial ALL season long.
Not all AB’s are as noticeable as the 8th or 9th inning runners on 2nd and 3rd 2 out one but how many 2 out rally’s start off with an innocuous single with no one on and 2 out in the 4th inning and winds up telling the story? Even a little thing like the walk in front of Gibson’s HR against Eckersly and the A’s in the world Series?
Fact is you want guys who consider every AB to be clutch, not ones who blow off April, May and June.
The facts are if your taking care of business in every inning you have a lot less games that come down to one AB and really with the largest payroll in the entire league for 20 years running we really shouldn’t have had so many games or seasons come down to the last AB or series anyway.
And what about the concept of clutch for pitchers? 2009 we gave up the 2nd most runs in Franchise history since 1966 and 2007 we gave up the 4th most since ’66. That was clutch?
Wagners NLCS with a 13.50 ERA was clutch? Greene turning a drive to the wall into a 2 out 3 run “triple” was clutch? Mota was clutch? Alaya? Kunz? Glavine?
Please. There’s way too much blame to go around to drop it all on one guy, for the 500 millionth time.
Completely true Fonz,
Only a loser would pin the whole season on one guy or laughably on one AB in the entire season. In my opinion that 2006-2008 team was full of themselves and threw it into cruise control in June 2007 and when Willie tried to clamp down, the players leaked their discontent to Bernard who let on that Willie wasn’t a huge favorite with ownership and after that cruise control was the name of the game.
Lost opportunity for sure and first and foremost done in by poor pitching.
Look,
These arguments are going to go nowhere because Bayawn will do like he always does – he types in all CAPS at certain times to MAKE sure you know he coaches and is smarter than anyone else in the world. Regardless of the facts presented to him.
That’s what Bayawn DOES.
David Wright September 2008
21 RBI
.340 BA
6 HR
5 2B
19 runs
September 7th: Bottom of the 8th down 6-0 Wright, drives in Evans after a double, Beltran Doubles in Wright, Delgado strikes out swinging to end the threat. Wrapping up an 0-4 night vs the great Jamie Moyer for Delgado. Final Score 2-6
September 9th: Wright ties the game 7-7 driving in Reyes. Your boy Delgado would eventually hit his 2nd HR to give the Mets the lead. Final score 10-8
September 10th: Wright gives the Mets the lead at 2-1 with first RBI, up 11-10 Wright hits a 2R HR in the bottom of the 8th for his 2nd and 3rd RBI. Final score 13-10.
September 13th: Wright hits 2R HR in 1st inning to go ahead 2-0. Final score 5-0.
September 14th: Already down 1-0 Wright homers in 1st inning again to tie the game at 1. Down again at 2-1 Wright hits 2nd HR (2 run) to take the lead at 3-2. Mets still go on to lose 4-7 with Wright going 4/5 with 2 HR and 3RBI.
September 19th: Wright doubles in to tie the game at 2, top of the 8th started tied at 5-5 Wright is last RBI in big 4 run inning driving in his 2nd RBI. Final score 9-5.
September 21st: Wright hits 2R HR giving Mets 4-1 lead. Final score 6-7.
September 22nd: Wright hits 2R HR down 2-8. Final score 5-9
September 23rd: Down 2-0 in bottom of 5th, Wright hits 2 run single to tie the game. Final score: 6-2.
September 25th: Down 0-2 Wright drives in run with SFly. Final score 7-6.
Of course even more telling would be his final stats for the last 10 games, .444 BA, 2 HR, 10 RBI,
(Turn your head and I will put up the other stats for those who actually want to know: .444 .543 .667 1.210)
So over the last 10 games Wright got hits almost half the time and did not make an out over half of the time while averaging 1 RBI per game.
Delgado .359 BA 2 HR 9 RBI (.359 .422 .590 1.012) Pretty damn good.
Beltran: .300 BA 1 HR 5 RBI (.308 .400 .436 .836) Again not too shabby.
Reyes: .250 BA ….
Yup you are right if ONE more batter had done his part. Unfortunately that one more batter was our Role Model Reyes.
IF you want to take the time to look up 2007?
.415 BA over last 15 games
Delgado .297 over last 10, he was injured from September 4th through 21st.
Beltran .246 over last 15 games.
Reyes .179 over last 15 games.
Again, You never knew just how right you were. Either could have been avoided if just one more hitter had came through… Reyes.
Yup, if Wright had just done his part.
sorry little man but all of that stuff doesn’t really tell you anything except that a lot of his offense is, in fact, window dressing. It looks the game of Sept. 19 he may have actually been directly responsible for the result..and that’s what stars do, that’s what guy you can count on do. Not just be a part of it but make a difference.
Again, like we always say and I’ve certainly said, of course he’s gotten a few clutch hits in his career but in no place can you tell if he came through in big spots with the information this guy posted. And posting hits that tie games early on that you only wind up losing doesn’t matter if that’s most of what describes your most important contributions.
Wright is not a difference maker. I’ve said plenty of times before that he has about 120 RBIs or so going into September 2008 and should have had around 140 with all the opportunities given to him. All that info doesn’t tell you the most important pressure spots of the game and that’s where he failed the most.
So this comes up short and your little reference to 2007 describes nothing easy – just some nice looking numbers, that’s it. Shows nothing about big hits in big spots of games.
And don’t forget his lousy 3B play and egregious lack of hustle although i don’t think hustling was an issue with him back then.
How is going 2/11 with 1 RBI off a SAC fly and grounding into a double play “closing the deal?”
Your man made was responsible for 11 outs in 11 AB’s and drove in a grand total of ONE run.
Besides if it were Wright AND Reyes who choked why do you only mention Wright? And do so for the 120,295,591,307th consecutive post?
And another thing, the deal is never closed until 25 guys are high fiving each other on the field when the game is over. Until then the deal is still on the table.
The offense was the least of their troubles in both collapses. Especially in 2008, They scored 799 runs, tied for 2nd in the NL with the WS Champion Phillies. The Pen blew 29 saves and after Wagner went down they blew many 9th inning leads that were 2 and 3 run leads. You can’t blame the offense for that. Their only downfall was not tacking on runs to leads. They sometimes would shutdown after the 7th inning but when you score 6,7,8 runs and lose the game late, you can’t blame the offense for not overcoming a horrendous bullpen. Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Delgado along with the rest of the team had failed after the bullpen blew late leads. You can look at the game summaries for the last month and see that each guy failed in plenty of spots even Beltran and Delgado, If anything Beltran gets the least amount of blame but no one guy gets more blame than the other and that includes Reyes who was bad in both Septembers. They jumped out early took 4 and 5 run leads and would still lose the game. They failed to add to those leads but they scored more than enough runs to win if their bullpen could get somebody out. Jerry Manuel must’ve lost 30 lbs in the last 3 weeks with all those trips to the mound. The defense and baserunning blunders didn’t help either. Both choke jobs were 25 man team efforts.
Let me try to understand the thinking of Alex and Bayonne. When the subject is David Wright, they claim he pads the stats and that the stats are meaningless. When the subject is Carlos Delgado, they say he hit better than his stats. So one guy they belittle by saying the stats are overblown and he doesn’t really produce. The other guy they lionize by saying the stats are not reflective of all he does and he really overproduces. Hmmm. Seems to me we have a lack of understanding of the purpose of statistics. lol
BTW, I’ve always liked David Wright and I’ve always liked Carlos Delgado. I just don’t let my eyes and emotions wind up trying to tell me that the stats are wrong.
Agee, it’s funny that you mentioned the Mets playing on cruise control. Do you remember the soundbite that Mike Francesaa played when the Mets were going through a rough stretch. I think they were in Colorado at the time in 2007 when the Mets were struggling and Delgado said and I quote “Sometimes we get bored because we’re so good”. Francesa was killing him on the air the next day. He acted like they won it all in 2006 and could afford to go through the motions. Mike said the Mets are way too cocky for a team that lost the NLCS, an attitude like that could come back and bite them on the rear end.
It really is all white noise at this point.
Des in 2007 Delgado had the worst year of his career. Wright had his best year. Wright was more consitent over that 3 year stretch, no doubt, Delgado was the more feared presence in the lineup. Like Straw was back in the 80′s.
The whole clutch thing for 2007 and 2008 is a farce though. 2007 Wright had 30 go ahead hits. 30 hits that put the team ahead from a deficit or tie game, Delgado had 12. 2008 Wright had 24 go ahead hits, Delgado had 20. Beltran had 20 go ahead hits in 07 and 24 in 08. Reyes had 8 go ahead hits in 07 and 10 in 2008.
I’m not going to debate Wright vs Hanley, I just want to throw in some of my expertise to assist in the debate. I spent 1993-2010 living in South Florida, and, as such, I went to a large number of Florida Marlins games. Believe me when I say that I would not want Hanley Ramirez on my team, period. Ramirez and Miguel Cabrera are two of the WORST players for a team to have. They produce numbers-wise, but they are lazy and could not care less about the team they are on.
Do you remember when we ripped into a certain former-Met for not running out a pop fly that was dropped in the infield (leading to him being thrown out at first)? Or how about ridiculing current and former Mets for not being in shape when they arrived at camp? There’s a reason Cabrera was moved from RF to LF to 3B to 1B, and it wasn’t because of his defensive prowess. There’s a reason that previous Marlins managers have had major issues with Hanley. And there’s a reason that some thought that the Marlins acquiring Reyes this offseason would be catastrophic to Hanley Ramirez.
Anyway, carry on.
Anymore Questions?????
Just one.
Why don’t you defend our own player like that?
Joe, is that towards me or Alex?
Nevermind…just noticed the question.
Interesting.
I heard some analysis last week on MLB network concerning the Marlins, the acquisition of Reyes and Hanley moving to 3rd. They didn’t put much stock in anything Hanley’s been saying about being O.K. with the move. The least, they predict he won’t last 1/2 a season at 3rd. But more than likely, he won’t be wearing a Marlin uniform come August.
Tyler, what I mean by”Only the Mets” is what is deemed day to day or not serious turns into a lot of missed time. Last week we heard it’s a rib cage strain and if it were the regular season he would be playing. Now it’s a torn Abdominal muscle. Remember when Ike was day to day and Johan would be back by the Allstar break, Beltran will return late April, early May from Knee surgery, Maine has Shoulder fatigue,etc… Misdiagnosois has been routine .
It’s screwed up, but I chuckled a little at this at first.
He hurt his 6 pack. And it confused me because the rib cage and the six pack are not the same, you know?
My major worry, however, is the way this injury will linger and how common it is to re-surface.
Hope it’s a minor thing and doesn’t bother him throughout the year, we need him if we plan to make a run at even .500 this year.
That’s why I always buy 12 packs instead.
Glad to see I’m not the only one able to laugh at this lol.
The point is its not a baseball injury. It’s a “work-out” injury. God, these guys. they’re playing baseball not competing in the Olympics. I think the injury is also called a “Sports hernia”
I mean, enough with the weights,during the off season it’s enough already. ya lift a dumbbells, you run a little, my be take a long walk every now and again, have a game of catch. Get your rest, and the traveling. Stop with all the appreances during the off seasn, it’s enough already, you need your rest. Calm down with all that, it’s all I’m saying.
I’m not sure what is more sad. That this happened, or that I’m not surprised this would happen to this team. Snake bit.
Great. Let’s trade him for Chipper Jones — I hear he may be looking to retire. That’s the Wilpons MO right? Get a player who have always killed us on the decline.
The Wilpons don’t make the player moves so stop with the excuses for Sandy.
Alderson signed Bay? Alderson signs the checks?
not sure what all the debate is about, sandy is dismantling the team one piece at a time, and wright is the last big contract that is moveable. you can kiss him goodbye.
SMH. David needs to take it easy with those crunches.
Whatever. This guy went from potential Hall of Famer to a shell of his former self in 3 short seasons (entering a 4th). Should of traded him (for Nolan Arenado) when he had value.
one thing i’ll say, i go to the games, i watch on tv, and often i’ve seen DW CHOKED on big spots. so as a fan it’s disappointing, he was being given a pass for a good time while reyes, beltran and delgado seemed to be the culprit for all mets issues and problems during the collapses of 2006 and 2007, yet noone was mentiong how he was hitting 240 all year around while being in the 3rd spot, everything was willie’s fault, or delgado’s fault, or tony B’s fault, everyone except him, but lo and behold that famous cubs game.. and that was went it was obvious the bigger the spot the little-er he became, he never seemed to embrace the role of big spot hitter as other players do, from THAT moment on, i’ve view this player for what he is, a good player when surrounded by talent, but an above average player when put in charge of the team.. now, i like wright, i’ve liked every met player, but the notion that he’s better than a SUPERSTAR is just mind boggling.. and for those who were looking for articles about ramirez, i’ll say this, jayson stark is one of the bigggest C*** in baseball believe it or not, so take his words as a grain of salt, that is what reportes do. they instigate to do a report, so don’t believe everything they write..
I will end with this, not many saw buckner play, so this is how much a PLAY can define a player’s career or define him in a city, buckner was a 295 career BA hitter, and had amassed 2500 hits before that error that made him a goat, Batting champion, Top 25 MVP 4 times, i am not saying that he was a HOF, no, but that is a very solid career for any player, after that, there was no numbers or accomplishments for him,there was just that famous play we all remembered him by.. Joe D, i am sure you’d know what i am saying… it’s not that i don’t defend him, hell, i thought back in 2006 david Wright was going to be the best player in baseball at one point.. i seriously did, 2007 came and he was scorching hot, specially in september, although there was some choke moments noone would’ve notice because he’d go 3-5 with 2 or 3 rbi’s per game.. but then… 2008 came and he became a shelf of himself on the clutch, hitting 243 with RISP all year, yet still had 124 rbi’s, can you imagine had he hit 280 with RISP how many more games and rbi’s he would’ve had? that’s what people don’t seem to get.. he is not what he once was, and him along with his legion of fans became excuse makers for everything that went wrong with him…
Thank you, the CORE!
Um…..what collapse in 2006? Are you referring to losing the NLCS and not getting to the WS?
If yes, I wouldn’t exactly call that a collapse.
As for 2007, the majority feel the BP was the primary culprit there.
I don’t think most Met fans consider Wright ‘better than a superstar’. In fact by now, I don’t think most Met fans even consider him a superstar, period.
I think the point that prolonged this debate is a couple who blamed Wright solely for not reaching post season in 2007 and 2008. Nothing could be further from the truth. It takes good baseball from all 25 to get there. To blame one person – and even more bizarre – one at bat is just plain crazy. And from what you stated, you seem to agree – since you used Buckner’s one error as a frame of reference. It’s well known among any who followed the Mets or Red Sox that the Sox BP blew that game. It was already tied by the time Buckner committed that error. And winning game 6, didn’t win them the WS. They still had to win game 7.
This shows how little you know, either that or you wanted to argue for the sake of arguing… Overall the GOAT of the WS to everyone who watched that WS was obviously Bill Buckner, of course, the bullpen blew it, we know that, but was it the bullpen who were hassle around? was it the bullpen who for 18 more years was blame?
It’s the way it is. even on a team game ONE PERSON gets the blame for something that happen, ask scott norwood on the field goal, or welker on the drop of the SB…
Also, the mets BLEW that 2006 NLCS, from willie, mota and wagner on game 2, to suppan dominating us, weaver beating us in game 5, to valentine and heilmann on game 7.. we were CLEARLY the best team but we were outcoached and outplayed in every way by an inferior team…
And by now, finally wright is not consider a superstar… but it took LONGER than expected for people who were head over heels for him to come to that realization!
LOL…yeah, O.K., Alex……
Watched the 2006 Home Run Derby the other day on MLB. Even the announcers were singing Wright’s praises back then as being something special. He was considered just that when he first game up and for a good many seasons after.
Your analysis of Wright is based on hindsight. All of us have that same opportunity now. But to say it took ‘LONGER’ for many to realize that….don’t know where you’re coming from. Anyone watching and seeing the stats, sees the same thing I do on Wright’s career to date.
SRT, i will say this, even after the choke job of 2008, wright’s career was headed to be the best MET of all time, a HOF for sure, now??? yeah… a simple above average baseball player on a bad team..
White noise from the King of double standards
Marlins.com
Should you be labeled the queen of stalking and following people around to post comment about nothing???? Funny how you criticize us for being critical of wright, yet all you do is way for one of us to post a comment so you can attack us… irony of life i guess.. can you for once make a baseball related comment?
Yadda yadda yadda
Same crap different day
Plenty of baseball talk just because you dont understand facts doesnt mean its not baseball talk.
Marlins.com
I talk alot of baseball with friends, customers, just about everyone whose interested in the game. Yankee fans, Met fans Red Sox, Cardinal, Oriole, Phillie, Giant, Padres fans whatever. Never did I ever hear from any one of them that Beltran, Delgado or Wright were to blame for the collapse in 2007 and 2008. Not from one of them or from any of them.
Delgado, Beltran, Wright and Reyes were all considered the reason we were in pennant races, not the reason we lost them.
The conversation after the fact was all about Wagner, Mota and Heilman blowing the NLCS. Green not making a catch in RF. 2007 and 2008 all the talk was about pitching. How we didn’t have any. Pedro and El Duque hurt and out again, Glavine and Trachsel on their last legs. The 2008 talk especially was how bad the bullpen was. 33 blown saves give me a break. Only one pitcher on the entire team had an ERA under 3.50 and most were over 4.50 and plenty over 5.00, 6.00 and a few over 7.00 and the big #1 draft choice Eddie Kunz 13.50. Same as Wagner in the 2006 NLCS.
When your offense averages 5 runs a game as the 2006, 2007 and 2008 teams did it is not offense that’s your problem.
As for the assertion that Buckner’s flub in the 9th inning of game 6 of the World Series is the same thing as one AB in game 157 of the 2008 REGULAR Season? WOW! All credibility shot to **** in a single sentence, that’s how this poster will be remembered. For one sentence comparing a routine out in the 9th inning of the 6th game of the World Series that turns extra innings into a loss moments after the Sox were poised to win their first World championship in 75 years to a regular season AB in game 157 of the regular season?
This is well beyond even ordinary stupidity.
What a great post.
It’s refreshing to see something like this, and be reminded that no matter how verbose and obnoxious the tiny handfuls of unreasonable idiots are, they are, have been, and always will be just that—a tiny handful of annoying, irrelevant gnats on the body of baseball.
Blaming Wright or Beltran for anything from 2006–2008 is simply a great litmus test of the intelligence and reasoning ability of a Met fan.
Just a little fun here to set the record straight. Of course some will disagree but for those who can actually use a stat and understand it’s purpose, have fun.
Wright September 2008, the following stats are broken down by either did not get out or hit sacrifice.
RISP: 9/22 9 RBI
Men on: 22/45 18 RBI
Runners on 1st only: 13/23 6RBI
Runners on 2nd only: 1/5 0 RBI
Runners on 3rd only: 3/6 4 RBI
Runners on 1-2: 1/2 1 RBI
Runners on 1-3: 2/4 1 RBI
Runners on 2-3: 0/1 0 RBI
Runners on 123: 2/4 3 RBI
What is even more interesting is that out of 114 PA he only had men on 45 times and only had RISP 22 times. What does that show more than anything? Guys like Reyes and the #2 hitter of the day, stunk.
Last 10 games:
5/8 with RISP 4 RBI. Seriously 8 PA with RISP in 10 games.
11/17 10 RBI with men on base out of 46 PA.
Again, what does it show? Wright did his part but the top of the order stunk.
.243 with RISP and one of the worst strike out in franchise history during the regular season… i know he’s your godsend, it’s always has been that way, but stop it, you’re looking ridiculous by each post trying to defend him…
Alex, when you say things like this it is really disappointing.
ONLY at this site, where you have 3-4 others who hold the same ridiculous and wrong opinions, can you feel somewhat comfortable with this nonsense. Even here, the overwhelming majority of the commenters disagree, because what you suggest is crazy.
If you left the nest of idiocy here, and ventured to Metsblog, Real Dirty Mets Blog, Faith and Fear, the Ledger—ANY place else–you would not really even have anyone agree with you.
Blaming Wright for 2008 because of that one at bat is insane—and it WAS NOT “one of the worst strike outs in franchise history during the regular season”—only you and a handful of others believe this.
Wright hit great down the stretch in 2008 and the pen blew saves almost every damn chance they had.
Seriously man, if you disagree, that’s fine, even though you are dead wrong.
But to call TRS names and say he is ridiculous—-it’s crazy man.
I really would like to think you are better than that.
On that note, Marty Noble apparently agrees with the masses on DWright and has some words of wisdom for those who don’t:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120314&content_id=27284552&vkey=news_nym&c_id=nym&partnerId=rss_nym
‘And how can anyone be down on David Up-Wright? Cut this guy some slack and appreciate all that he is.’
For the record, Wright’s work ethic, personality and maturity outlined in this article are dead on.
And polar opposite of Hanley Ramirez.
1st of all, you guys all get offended at Bayonne’s posts, but this guys posts, who’s just as bad, is OK? Is that because he agrees with you? Look what he’s saying: “If you left the nest of idiocy here” “where you have 3-4 others who hold the same ridiculous and wrong opinions” “It’s refreshing to see something like this, and be reminded that no matter how verbose and obnoxious the tiny handfuls of unreasonable idiots are, they are, have been, and always will be just that—a tiny handful of annoying, irrelevant gnats on the body of baseball.”
Why is this OK? Where’s TRS and SRT on this? Why is there nobody saying to him “be nice” or be “respectful”? I know, because he agrees with you. That’s it. And the only reason why you don’t like Bayonne’s posts is because he disagrees with you – Simple as that.
If you think Kingman and I agree on everything all the time and see eye to eye you should take a gander at TRDM. One of the few things we do actually agree on is the irrational post of the minority on here.
Yes, adult type baseball debates without the ‘yo mama’ crap.
One of the very few sites you can enjoy debates without that lunatic fringe.
“If you left the nest of idiocy here” “where you have 3-4 others who hold the same ridiculous and wrong opinions” “It’s refreshing to see something like this, and be reminded that no matter how verbose and obnoxious the tiny handfuls of unreasonable idiots are, they are, have been, and always will be just that—a tiny handful of annoying, irrelevant gnats on the body of baseball.”
This is an adult debate? Your kidding right?
I’m saying you guys get all upset with the name calling on here from Bayonne and Alex, but now we have Kingman, who’s doing the same thing, and you guys don’t don’t care. What a double standard.
Sorry Vinny, and don’t worry, I will never be a regular here.
But I travel around the Met Internet universe a lot, and while this site overall is very good much of the time, there’s just not another site which has the volume of completely idiotic comments which this one does.
Yes, I know it is literally a handful of dopes, but the volume, aggression, and tone of the absolute ignorance spewed by Bayonne (who I think WAS banned from Metsblog after visiting one day and getting roundly thrashed) and a few others is crazy and unparalleled in the Met Internet world.
I am not trying to be nice.
As a man who I respect tremendously once said, “Sometimes it’s fun toying with morons.”
actually that’s a lie from this moron. I was not banned from MetsBlog and my total thumbs up was almost twice than thumbs down. Hones truth
This piece of lying garbage just does that – lie and hate anything that’s not saber. Who the hell cares what this screaming banshee thinks.
I have more important things to do than scour the internet for other mets sites. One is enough and it’s the only one where the saber vs. traditional arguments occur on such a platform.
This walking stomach cramp who lies just hates an opposing view
Ignorance shows no bounds, in fact Kingman is at times very anti-saber and has argued over many of the real saber stats validity with many a poster over the years but if you would like to just assume that someone does not like you because of the damn saber debate? LOL go ahead.
And yeah, I remember you from those MB days. They only had the thumb system for about a month or so anyway. Many of us clicked thumbs up on you just because of the plain hilarocy of your post, the other ones that did would have a high majority of system issues because if you clicked reply half the time it recorded it as a like. LOL. Man all this time you thought people actually liked what you said and did not think you were a raving lunatic. Again, you are know across the Mets blogging world not just here but all over as a complete and total buffoon.
TRS86, I will ask you something, it’s obvious you don’t like bayonne, we all know that, but why you keep posting and replying to ANYTHING he post or comment on?? i don’t get it… i don’t like donal or jesseP, yet you don’t see me replying to pretty much everything they say.. if you don’t like him, move on.. you’re starting to get to KAY stalking territory man.. be the adult and let others comment or insult him, isn’t that what you always preach??
Would it be better if I did not post on his post yet then talked about and referred to him in half of my other post?
I like this:
“Many of us clicked thumbs up on you just because of the plain hilarocy of your post”
LOL. Sure. People are going to give thumbs up to comments they don’t like. Sure. He expects us to believe that?
Why do the TRDM people keep coming here? They keep saying how much they hate this site and the posters here, yet, they come here every single day. Why don’t they just leave if that’s how they feel? Oh wait, what was it that TRS said? “Sometimes it’s fun toying with morons.” So that’s it? That’s why they come here? And these are the same guys who always say they want to have “adult debates”? How can you have an adult debate with people who only want to come here to “toy with morons”
And that statment just shows how they are so unaccepting of other viewpoints. If you disagree with them your a moron. Maybe we would have more adult debates on here if the TRDM people were more accepting of different viewpoints, or if they would just leave.
Quiet frankly, yes…. That shows you DON’T LIKE HIM period.. but you don’t like him, yet in every post he makes there you are, being his #1 fan… Enough already, that makes you look like a stalker and its creepy..
LMAO @ Vinny, The CORE salute you!!!.. and vinny, well, to be fair, the thumbs up and down rating system didn’t work here either vinny, there were many people thumbing people down just for the name without even writing what the person were saying or refering to… even i went along with it, anything that said jesseP had thumbs down, only gave any thumbs up
I will respond to both.
Alex, you my friend refer to those two you dislike in 50% of your post when they are not even around. Blaming your vile hatred on them when they are not even around. Calling them out for being Braves fans, riding this and riding that. Yet I can’t respond to Bay’s post, especially the ones where he attempts to talk about baseball?
Vinny, don’t care if Bay believes me or not on the thumbs up thumbs down but anyone that was around then knows it is the truth. It was very user unfriendly and taken as a joke. Also, never at any point have I ever said I hate this site. In fact I enjoy the articles very much and believe the site itself is the best Mets site out there. I also enjoy coming here to comment because not all commenters are like Bay and just spout pure ignorance 90% of the time. I also enjoy debating Alex, I always have. Sorry. Your post I haven’t seen anything of credence at all so it’s very difficult to debate. I can’t say the same for Metsie as some of his post are actually on topic and make me think of alternative opinions.
I haven’t seen anyone comment on this blog that they hate this site and it’s posters. Where did you get that from?
As to not liking SOME posters comments…that’s a completely different story. I’m sure that’s what you meant to say.
that response has nothing to do with the question. And Vinny B is right.
Behavior matters depending on what stance you take. That’s all it’s about.
Hello my friend, so do you want to respond logically to all the actual stats I posted about Wright’s real numbers in September?
No Bayonne, it matters depending on how obnoxious and ignorant you are.
Can’t speak for anyone else but I only address the poster in question when he directly responds to one of my posts. Otherwise, I ignore his comments because there’s really no point in me responding to him.
On your second point, I don’t often find the need to rush to any one poster’s defense – like a small number of posters here constantly do. I figure everyone is big enough to handle themselves.
With Kingman’s particular response here, I do agree with his take on Wright. Further, other than calling someone ‘crazy’ there were no off the wall name calling going on.
Just what exactly did you want him called out for??
Let me know when Kingman starts threatening people or questioning their manhood or who they are as people.
You mean he is not telling the posters to ride Wright while holding their Sandy blowup doll?
LOL!
Can we also have a few whip-wielding, leather-clad saber-goons in the picture too?
And I just want to say one thing about 07 and 08.
Somebody here after the super bowl posted a quote from Tom Brady(I think it was T agee, but I don’t remember) but anyway, he said something like “everyone on this team all could have done one thing more than would have made a difference”. And I think that holds true for the Mets 07 and 08 teams. Everybody on those teams could have done one more thing that would have made a difference – INCLUDING Wright. He messed up in a lot of big spots(yes, that AB against the Cubs being one of them), and so did a lot of other hitters on that team. Everyone is aware of the awful bullpen, however, that doesn’t change the fact that everyone on those teams could have done one more thing that would have made a difference – Including Wright.
Most people agree with that.
Do you agree constantly crucifying Wright or using that as the defining moment of his career is unfair?
Yet as I have been told, someone has to be to blame. For some reason a significant porition want to blame Wright when stats and even AB by AB breakdowns show a different take. However, some in that same group ignore how plain awful the guys ahead of Wright were. The fact that he only had 22 PA with runners in scoring position the entire month, yet he still managed 21 RBI? Again, the failure on offense had VERY little to do with Wright or Delgado but everything to do with Reyes.
‘The fact that he only had 22 PA with runners in scoring position the entire month, yet he still managed 21 RBI?’
good god……I guess Wright was somehow supposed to drive in everyone else’s stranded runners.
Like I said, what it does show is 2 things, how awful Reyes was and how they had no one to bat in the 2nd spot that could get on base at that point. They tried Church, Castillo and even Beltran at the end. Yet Wright continued to come up with no one on base.
It was me and that’s exactly how I feel. Each and every guy could have done one more thing that would have made the difference. Not just one guy. That’s how I felt in 2006, 2007 and 2008 and in fact that’s how I’ve felt walking off the field myself after losses that would make you puke for a week.
It’s a losers game to seek to pin the blame on just one guy and yet here we are 3 1/2 years later and all you ever hear on this site is Wright cost the season.
You my friend are hilarious. Run away from the stats, after I do the work that you guys will not do. Your buddy Reyes’ .250 BA the last 10 games and .243 BA overall tanked the Mets offense in September. You remember 1PA? I see 119 PA for Reyes.
You remember 1 PA, I see 5/8 w/RISP last 10 games, 11/17 with men on last 10 games, 10 RBI last 10 games.
You my friend are biased because the name and what people say where I am biased because of the stats themselves.
Thank god i do not belong to any of those sites… once again i am not only blaming wright, but he was as guilty as the BULLPEN was for choking, not only on that game, but all year as our #3 hitter with tons of opportunity to drive in runs the man hit 243 with RISP, TWO FOUR THREE for what was supposed to be the best hittter on the team, you don’t think we could’ve won 3 or maybe 4 games more had he hit 280? or his avg by then of 300+? i am not here for agreement or disagreement of my comments, i can careless whether someone agrees with me or not, i am still gonna make my comments because it’s what i believe, and most of the time it’s the truth, but i’ll tell you this, if a HAVE my own blog, i don’t think i’ll be wandering ALL DAY on another blog that’s for sure…….
Uh yeah you are completely right about the fact that stats be damned you are going to keep your opinion and no one is trying to change it. However, coming on to a blog and spewing inaccuracies just because you feel your favorite player gets slighted? Wow.
The Reyes tenure is over, one of our best home grown position players has left for greener pastures. Soon it appears that the other of our two great home grown position players will be gone as well. Too bad instead of enjoying him while we can and hoping he does great not only because he is a Met but also so his trade value is high, we have to spend it spewing lies to make a former player look better.
If you’re measuring clutch by batting avg with RISP then you must think Wright was clutch in 2009, he hit 309 with RISP.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN200809240.shtml
This is the game summary for that Cub game. The infamous K with Murphy on third. Note your hero Reyes up twice with the go ahead runner on 3rd, once he rolled out to 2nd and the other he struck out. Like I’ve said before. Wright since then has not been a guy I want up with the game on the line but blaming him or any other Met for the collapses is utter stupidity. It took all 25 guys to cough up those leads both years. You can pin point any one at bat for the entire lineup in the last months of both years and say if this guy or that guy just hit a freakin sac fly we would’ve been in the playoffs.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=wrighda03&t=b&year=2008
This is Wrights Sept 08 numbers. Except for the 4 game series in Washington, and of course the Cub at bat, you can’t ask for much more.
By the way, here’s the rest of the PUTRY clutch stats he put the rest of the year:
Men on 2nd: 219 1 13
Men on 1st and 2nd: 176 0 4
Men on 2nd and 3rd: 167 0 5
Bases Loaded: 235 0 13
2 Outs and RISP: 247 2 32
After the 7th inning: 270 7 22
99.999999% of your half a billion posts regarding Wright have been his “clutch stats” When was it more clutch than September of 2008?
TRS was kind enough to post the relevant stats from September of 2008 and now you go and switch to the whole season. C’mon man, be consistent.
Alex, you missed the discussion. You continue to say Wright choked down the stretch when in reality he did not. The stats show it.
In reality Reyes’ awful month killed the Mets offense. Look at the stats buddy. They are much more clear than your biased eyes.
You left off a few:
Men on: .290 .374 .532 .906
runner on 1: .360 .448 .768 1.216
runner on 3: .303 .333 .455 .788
runner on 1-3: .345 .343 .655 .998
runner on 3/2out: .324 .444 .514 .958
late and close: .286 .412 .464 .876
Tie game: .308 .414 .523 .937
within 1 run: .313 .415 .533 .948
high leverage: .350 .429 .528 .957 (a stat designed to measure clutch, lol lets not use it).
vs teams with a winning record: .320 .395 .564 .959
So wait, we often get told in this blog by a bunch of idiots that it’s not only september that matter, that what about april and those other months, so then, the question would be, where was wright during the months reyes was ON FIRE????
During the months of may through august reyes line was:
320 9 46 14 triples 28 doubles 84 runs scored 40 stolen bases 389 OBP 525 Slug % (For a leadoff that is UNHEARD OF) and 152 HITS!!!! where was WRIGHT THEN???? hitting ground outs to 2B that were CLUTCH AT BATS!?!?! please, stop this… Reyes is gone, you guys won, enjoy mr unclutch while he’s here… End of this discussion, although i am sure you’ll get the last word in i am done with this… Ask the CUBS manager why he WALKED PAGAN AND DUDA TO FACE DAVID WRIGHT last year on sept 11th sunday night baseball…
Hit the target then move the target. LOL.
Poor little baby, this has always been about how your favorite player didn’t get the attention that Wright did. Now that your precious Reyes is gone and Wright is still here your venom grows even more. It was never about stats with you, it was always about perception of your favorite player. Cwyyyy me a wiver.
You’re right,
All the people that like to talk about the whole season when defending Wright and knocking Reyes and saying how you can’t be relevant in September without performing well in the first half – they chose to leave Reyes out of that part of the argument. Convenient.
Not at all, it’s just you are moving the target. The discussion started with saying that Wright choked in September, thus his numbers from April-August would be irrelevant to that discussion as would Reyes.
Now if you want to have a discussion over who had a better regular season in 2008 then we can compare those as well. However, remember that for some the only stats that matter are BA, HR and RBI so I am pretty sure who the winner would be.
Bayonne — I have never knocked Reyes the ballplayer. He’s a great baseball player. So what are you blowing smoke about?
PS: I think Reyes the business person was way in over his head. Peter Greenberg reminds me of a real estate salesman. They say anything to get you to sign but when they can’t deliver, they try to get you to lower expectations. Greenberg blew smoke and Reyes was a victim. He should have fired Greenberg, but he went along for the ride. Shameful that he then blamed the Mets.
152 hits from May to August but only 26 in September but it was someone else’s one AB that cost the whole season.
OK.
Hey I would have much preferred to extend Reyes and let Wright leave in 2013 but still why the double standard? Who exactly were all these people blaming Reyes?
They all must be on your block if not in your head cause they sure aren’t anywhere else.
Everyone knows it was the pitching staff that cost 2007 and 2008 and even if we had made the playoffs can you imagine Wagner, Heilman, Schowenweiss, Mota, Sosa, Sele or Kunz in the post season?
Good God man, get a grip.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
This is FUN!
Yes, I admit to a double standard—there is one standard for people who are educated, open-minded, reasonable, and wise.
There’s another for people who are ignorant, closed-minded, unreasonable and just plain dopey.
And for people like Bayonne and a few others on here, there is a third standard—when you are incredibly closed-minded, have a totally middling and outdated knowledge base, AND are incredibly aggressive in pushing it, you deserve to be mocked endlessly.
Alex, I remember you from Metsblog, and despite our differences we mostly always got along, as I know you have a sense of humor and can laugh a lot, and also, while I am white and I believe you are Latino, we very much agree on the evils of racism.
So while I often disagree with Alex, he seems like a good person to me.
Bayonne just seems like a miserable, ignorant, misogynist loser. There’s not much worse than an ignorant person who thinks he knows it all.
I share your opinions on Alex and he was really the only reason I started to comment on here in the first place other than our TRDM regulars. It REALLY is a diverse site though.
It reminds me of when I was in college and had an job as a daycare instructor for school age kids before and after school. There was one room with 32 kids, 1 instructor, 1 assistant and an age range of 4 years old through 13. Talk about a wide range. You never knew what would happen and planning was almost impossible.
Kingman, i will say this, we go way back, it’s true, and i’ve disagree with many people, had arguments and whatnot, but we did keep it civilized to a point, from those days MNJ, Maniac, TRS86, Gina, Dwrightisunclutch and others have been in this blog or so, it’s always been the same, but believe it or not, there are a few SNAKES in this blog who have made some of us including yours truly and bayonne lose our patient, you have no idea what it’s like to have a RIVAL team that always DOMINATED US shoved down our throat while we suffer through barrage of injuries and collapses and now this inept front office, it hasn’t been easy, and if some of us are on edge i hope you can understand why… i don’t think anyone of us mean any harm, and imo this is THE BEST METS BLOG there is out there, so new comers are always welcome, and the last thing any one of us want is give a bad impression…
Attn: The CORE!!!
Alex my ears were ringing old buddy. The CORE salutes you. I’m busy today otherwise I would be defending some of the comments here especially from Kingman who thinks he has a monopoly on social interaction on a comment thread that happens to be the only Mets comment thread where all opinions are openly shared. Like at MetsBlog, Kingman likes things one way, his way. Remember how some of these guys would raise such a stink if you uttered one word against Wright to the point of getting us frequently banned by his Highness. They thought Wright was the chosen one who would lead us to countless championships. Most of our arguments was never to say he sucked, but mostly we felt he wasn’t cut out to bat third, or carry a team like Piazza or Delgado. Turns out it was us who had the foresight, not them.
Never once did any of us send an email to Cerrone. If you could get your facts straight we too were banned. Why because every comment section turned into the same thing. Seems familiar.
Maniac, my good friend, yes, i do remember those days, when to even mention the word unclutch would get you banned, the “awaiting moderation” approval starting to pop out when we said he was unclutch, not cut out to lead a team, many don’t know but THE CORE was born because we saw things for what they were, then we were “outcasted” by everyone else, but we kept our composure, and even though some were banned, others just left etc, it was proven by mr wright himself that he is unclutch and not the guy you put as face of the franchise as he has regressed from a HOF caliber player to be just an above average player… Once again, i will end this with one of my favorite quotes of all time:
“he’s a good kid, not a superstar… F. Wilpon on david wright
What was Wilpon’s ultimate thoughts on Reyes? Hit the road? We all know Wilpon was an idiot for his comment, especially the timing.
Again, revisionist history on Metsblog. We were all banned, it had nothing to do with your stance but how you monopolized every post with the same garbage. We get you were biased against Wright and we now know why you were, what a silly reason but besides the point. It’s time to move on.
Again, just as then and just as now, there is no true core. The only “core” is what you call when ever you find someone as misguided as you and it makes you feel better.
Hey, if that’s your thought why you keep replying to anything i, bayonne and other “misguided” persons in here have to say? it seems for someone as “mature” and “adult” as you say you are you often play the reverse of that… Again, if i had my own blog, i wouldn’t spend 24 hours on ANOTHER BLOG, but i am sure joe D appreciate all of you’s from TRDM being here, keep the hits coming in!!!!
Attn: THE CORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know I have seen that comment about being on my own blog and not on here. To me that is ridiculous. So a worker at Wendys would never go to KFC? If I worked for a hotel in Florida I would never want to go to a hotel in California? Some of my authors have their own site and post articles on both. That is something that happens here too. MMO is a great site, I enjoy the site very much and even enjoy the comment section when we get to talk baseball and not this same ole crap about Wright and Sandy. Unfortunately, I get sucked in because I can’t stand unresearched bias crap being spread about any Mets player. If you remember on MB I used to do the same thing for Reyes, Beltran and Omar.
I’m not sure what Alex was trying to say there.
For myself, I frequent several different baseball blogs. Think even if I had my own, that wouldn’t stop. Each has it’s own nitch and how better to stay on top of all Mets and other baseball related news?
Niche, not “nitch”
Ah, I’ve been corrected by the grammar police.
Thanks.
Actually the spelling police…
lol….you guys are tough.
Alex, there’s a difference in saying Wright is not a clutch hitter, at least over the last 3 years he hasn’t been but the reason why this always becomes a 200 comment debate is because blaming him in particular for the 2008 collapse is totally unfair. Other than the Cubs at bat and the 4 game series against the Nats he tore it up in September. Beltran,Delgado and Wright all had good Septembers and all 3 had chances to win games and didn’t come through and all 3 also did most of the damage during that same stretch. The offense scored the same amount of runs as the Champion Phils, 799, tied for 2nd. The bullpen was the main culprit, not Wright’s one at bat.