26
2012
Alderson Confirms Chris Young Deal
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, first reported that the Mets have re-signed free-agent RHP Chris Young to a minor league contract.
Sandy Alderson confirmed the signing today and spoke with reporters:
“Right now we don’t have an expectation other than a general one — that he’ll be able to pitch at some point. Until he’s seen by the doctor, and we actually see him throw, we really can’t make an estimate as to when he might be ready.
“Chris was a real positive for us in spring training last year,” Alderson said. “He pitched well early in the year. Unfortunately, he re-injured his shoulder. We’d like to see him get back to the point where he was with us early last year and go from there, because he’s been an All-Star and quality guy to have on the team.”
Young won’t be ready to pitch until July at the earliest.
For a full recap go to Adam Rubin’s blog at ESPN New York.
Original Post 11:00 AM
Adam Rubin is reporting that right-hander pitcher Chris Young is close to re-signing with the Mets on a minor league deal.
Young made four solid starts for the Mets last season before undergoing surgery to repair a torn anterior capsule in his right shoulder. He was 1-0 with a 1.88 ERA in 24 innings, allowing 12 hits and 11 walks while striking out 22.
Young was on his way to a nice season before needing surgery. On a minor league deal, the Mets have absolutely nothing to lose and much to gain. It’s a good low risk, high reward signing.
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Can’t wait to read this comment section at the end of the day… I am sure it will result in 200 pro/anti Sandy pro/anti stats post all because of a minor league signing.
So much for your desire to not have a Sandy Anti-Sandy conversation!
Guess who started it again this time dude?
You were the first comment on this piece and could not WAIT to turn it to the subject you claim to HATE but secretly LOVE!
So because I said I hoped it did not turn into a pro or anti Sandy debate that makes me pro Sandy and hope to have the same discussion?
Can’t find the details on this but I can’t imagine it’s for all that much.
If Johan can make his way back from this type of surgery, maybe Young can as well.
He won’t be ready until June or July and considering the SP depth is very thin down there, not a bad pick up.
It’s not done yet so I guess there aren’t any official details but I would expect something as a minor league deal, with incentives for reaching bigs, and based on innings/starts.
Glad the guy gave up on the idea he would be getting a major league contract. When he’s gets on the mound he’s really good. But he hadn’t gotten on the mound enough. Low risk high reward signing.
he was never getting a ML deal, certainly not now. at least this gives him access to a teams complex and training (no jokes please) for his rehab.
I am still not sure he ever expected one to start with. We have no idea what these writers come up with.
LOL, I am kind of glad I can’t access the shoutbox from work. I bet it is a fuming pile right now.
I bet it’s not. You got $100 bucks?
Not even a mention, very disappointed. IT is a very nice conversation about Reyes’s batting title and the minor league cuts.
Well at least it would be a new subject, or twist on the old. Same comments every day, all day over there. It’s a serious coffee clutch with the same miserable comments and commentators. Maybe if it’s sad over and over, someone from the Mets organization will read it and change everything over night.
fuming pile? You’re a piece of work you know, your attitude of know it all and thinking you’re better than everyone it;s what usually ticked people off.. humble yourself.. this is bad signing and we all know it.. the man hasn’t even pitched in like FOREVER, can’t pitch, i don’t give a damn if it’s for 2 cents, why even go the same road we once couldn’t pass?!!?
No Alex, it’s only HERE with the handful of jokers who think they know the game where some people cannot help mocking others.
He pitched only four games last year, but he looked great. IF he stays healthy (and that’s a big if, and that’s why it’s a cheap minor league deal) he could be a fine signing.
If he is bad and/or unhealthy, it is meaningless. Except to fans who don’t really understand and/or have absolutely nothing better to do than whine.
While we at it, let’s go get whoever was injured and go after them and signed them to a minor league deals
Great, is Reyes still available on a minor league deal?
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Ouch!.
LOL, why do you take offense to that? Isn’t that where you and your buddies go so your opinion will not be interrupted with logic?
Eh, I scrolled down for a handful of comments, and as Kay might say, it’s the same mindless drivel.
You’re a mindless clod yourself Kingman, just as you were at the old haunt. You comment more on the people who comment rather than expressing an opinion that’s on topic. Sort of like Kay, who has that down to a science.
I don’t even attempt to bring any serious debate to the table here, because this place is dominated by a handful of the biggest idiots in the entire online sports world.
I just come here to laugh at aggressive ignorance, which–in politics and sports–I find entertaining.
It’s one thing to be ignorant; but to be ignorant and to act like you’re a genius, well, that’s just plain funny as hell.
Agreed, I am glad that TRDM is starting up and has a lot of good things going on but I still can’t resist coming here to read the reaction of the minority.
Trust me, we are more thankful that finally you and your little crew can get out of here instead of infecting this site with pure crap and know more than you attitude.. you know, i told you before, reason why many people can’t stand you is your lack of beign humble… for a gym teaacher i am surprise you don’t have more of that,, since you have to teach the kids about being humble
Alex, he IS often humble. All the time.
It’s just hard to be humble in the presence of the incredible aggressive idiocy over here.
kingman 26 — Agreed. Mention fairness and impartiality to the Core and they sometimes try to stifle that view. They have their obvious favorites, and they whine, whine, whine. I often just read their nonsense and pass on it. It creates traffic here but is seldom new or innovative.
Oh please Des, the Sandy crowd is not any better!
Say any peep about Sandy and they get their panties all twisted and gang bang on the poster hoping to stifle him as quickly as possible!
Who the heck IS the Sandy crowd. It is none of us from TRDM.
1. Who is the Sandy crowd?
2. Are you rooting or Sandy to fail?
3. Which GM are you rooting for this season?
4. You’re the worst kind of Mets fan.
If you think every move made this offseason was a good one your definitly a Sandy Crowd!
If you think Sabermetrics is REQUIRED to win you MIGHT be a Sandy crowd!
If you think NOT SPENDING helps you win you are definitly a Sandy Crowd!
If you think the Wilpons are to blame for the lack of spending your probably a Sandy Crowd!
If you applaud everything Jessup says your name is probably XtreemeIcon or Donal and your definitly a Sandy Crowd!
If you house has a Mileage…oh Wait….. different Bit….
OK me and 99% of the people on here pass your test as not ProSandy. Nice to know that all this time you spend preaching about that group it only applies to about 2 people.
Really? Too bad for you we don’t let the students grade the tests…
So tell us which moves this offseason did you HATE?
And yes 99% of the people here pass this test…It’s really only 4 or 5 knuckleheads who are very vocal and post a lot making it appear like more people really like Sandy than actually do!
The majority are wait and see folks…The others merely question the moves that were made and the construct of this team!
It’s that VERY SMALL MINORITY who gets all bent out of shape and acts like Bruce Cutler the second someone brings up something that could be a detriment on Sandy’s report card!
Or suggests he may not be the best manager in the MLB!
Hate is a strong word that I don’t even use on Omar’s signing of Perez. I understood WHY he did that move, just didn’t like it.
Now back to your question.
I think that Sandy should have been more active in molding the bench, the starting pitching depth, and the CF situation. I do however realize that saying he should have done those things and being able to do those things are two different stories. I also think he rushed the Rauch signing unless he really saw something there that he believed would benefit the team.
Well you on one hand you say Sandy didn’t fix what you believe needs fixing and then argue vociferously with anyone who points it out!
Defend a GM based on the notion that he may not have been able to make those fixes despite the fact it is HIS JOB to find a way to fix it!
But forget about what he ignored, that list is long and distinguished…
You questioned Only Rauch but you don’t have some regrets about the Pagan Trade who was a young solid better hitting CF that Torres or Hairston and under team control for awhile and your fine with the signing of Francisco who appears to be the second coming of Armando Benitez?
Your happy with the fact that in two years the majority of Sandy’s work and focus has been on rebuilding a BullPen that was identified as the weakest link last year and so far his three key changes there have a combined average ERA of 7+?
We have needed a catcher since BEFORE Sandy got hired, yet not even a whiff of looking for one.
We didn’t really NEED a CF until he traded away a young decent hitting one to get and old injured CF and a Reliever whio has done squat so far! Please tell us which one of them makes us contenders in the future as many of the Sandy folks suggest is the goal with our moves?
The majority of people you argue with have less opinions about Sandy himself than we do for the rantings of those who say he is here to do one thing that will make us good when the ACTIONS to date say he is not even doing what you THINK he is doing!
He sure hasn’t stacked the Minors with Kids he got Wheeler and thats about it from a stacking perspective, the others are all just draft picks that are being accelerated as better than what we have MERELY because Sandy took them not someone else!
The only FUTURE move made so far is the acquisition of Wheeler, the rest are all one year signings that do NOTHING for the future and this notion he is going to get something in trade for a bullpen arm/non-closer with a 7+ ERA is pure fantasy considering you got Squat for K-Rod who at least was all star material!
You claim cutting payroll helps the future but the truth is not committing long term HURTS the future not just the short term future but the long term!
Which big FA is going to want to come here knowing that he is going to be the only star because our philosophy is focused around only having two big contracts on the payroll at any given time?
I’m not trying to pidgenhole you nor anyone else but what you say is doing it for you!
If you believe in this philosophy of Sandy’s then you really are a Sandy guy no matter how much you question a move made here or there!
If you believe he has succeeded after losing more games from when he took over then again your applauding the man not the results!
And it is THIS point that has split the site so forcefully!
Some are more interested in supporting Alderson than they are with the results of his work!
They try and explain his moves in future terms but those explanations do not fit with the actions to date!
And when backed into a corner you guys all run to the who are you rooting for are you a fan crap!
Well it’s every fan’s god given right to complain about the lack of progress in their team from one year to next!
And if you don’t think so well thats why you guys are involved in all these fights!
because thats PRECISELY what a Blog is all about!
Saying what you think about the team AS IT IS, not what it might be 5 years from now!
Bored. Sorry I couldn’t make it through all that seems like I have already been witnessed to that every single day here.
yep the truth is often not very exciting….
Which is why some of you create these fantasies about what Sandy is doing because the truth not only is boring it HURTS!
Is he? are you??? someone make a comment here and if any of you and your little group here disagree with that person, then all of the sudden they’re dumb, or idiots? or lack baseball knowledge? why is that huh?? it’s ok to disagree from time to time, but with you’s is y’all way or the highway, all of you get along because you’re all a bunch of DB and as*****s who don’t respect anyone’s opinion, i am really tired of being nice to trs86 to just received snark comments, i’ve tried to defend him from others and have stated how i think he’s not a bad person, guess the jokes on me..
You mean as opposed to how you and your make believe group treat those with differing opinions? Try saying what you think Sandy’s goals are, don’t even mention if you think they are good or bad or if he is achieving them. Then you will get an entire thread of the same junk as always.
This place has turned into the same debate EVERY day. ProSandy, AntiSandy, Pro Stats, Anti Stats. It doesn’t matter the topic, the post, the day. Same crap. I told you from the beginning I hate sides.
What if I agree with not matching the Marlins offer, disagree with the Rauch signing, think Omar did a decent job with the minors, think that Sandy provides more professionalism than Omar, think that Wheeler was a good move and think that Harvey was a great pick? What if I like using traditional stats like OBP, OPS, WHIP and see some value in saber stats yet do not think that some of them hit home because of sample size? What if I still think the eyes is the best way to judge a defensive player?
Yet somehow, even believing all of those things I am labeled
ProSandy, AntiOmar, and a Saber#$#@.
Who labels us in those categories and why?
TRDM… hardCORE!
You’re calling me and “my friends” the super heroes, so it’s ok for you to label people but us don’t? I disagree with many people all the time here, yet only donal, agee and jesseP are the ones with big time isues here with me, yet, go and check the shoutbox whenever you want and see how we interact when it’s all about baseball. you’re constant “in our blog” mention trying to promote your blog is pathetic. Again, if the people here are less inteligent than you and your little group, why are most of you here? we’ll see if what you said a while back about leaving this site once baseball season start it’s truth, not because i care, but because it’ll show people what type of a man you are, because men don’t lie to men…
Nope the Super Heroes is my answer to your use of the Core anytime someone spouts off something you agree with. It sounds like something from grade school…. I can imagine “Danadanadnad THE CORE!!!!” and you guys all running out to beach towels around your neck and sunglasses on.
Now on to the baiting comment. How many times have you came into a thread that had nothing to do with what you posted and posted some type of comment designed to get a reaction? You know the same garbage on Sandy or Wright? And to accuse others on here of racism yet to make some of the comments YOU make?
Also again I have never once came to this site to promote TRDM. I have no desire to do that here. In fact I have never even linked to a story.
Finally, I lied. There I am a big man and tell the truth. I will not be leaving anytime soon. I can’t let you guys run rampant. LOL. You can like me or dislike me Alex, I happen to respect you and have never let you be the recipient or brunt of my jokes. I know you are emotional and sometimes get carried away. However, I think what you never understand about me is I do not let others make my opinions for me. Just as your issues with Wright and Sandy are that other people praised them instead of your guy which helps you formulate your opinion/hatred, I look at each situation and each player individually and make my mind up based on what I see will benefit the name on the front. That is why I can say trade Wright, let Reyes leave, do whatever you need to with my favorite players as long as your goal is to make the name on the front better. I understand things are not personal and there is more than just black and white to EVERY decision. So I guess if I had to name MY super hero group they would be THE GRAY!!!!! Hey catching ring. Just wondering if we met on the streets in a shoot out what color of hat the Core would wear? Our’s would be Gray.
Lost count of the amount of times I was called ‘dumb’, an ‘idiot’, ‘offensive’, lacking any baseball knowledge, should get my head out of a book, etc. etc………by a member of your self proclaimed ‘Core’.
Or the loving, return to the kitchen and get off the baseball field. I love that one the most as it truly shows the refusal to adjust to modern times and blatant disrespect to the views of others.
Trust me, no one wants me cooking in the kitchen.
SRT, on behalf of the CORE, i apologize to YOU… but i will say this. when people often are trying to bait you one must keep awareness of everyone, because one don’t know if a person is baiting or not.. also, we have had many women in here who have commented and are really nice, gina, any etc, often disagree with them but with respect. me, and members of the CORE have been insulted as well, from racial comments, to lack of english, fool, all kinds of names, yet, here we stand.. each day every day..
Thank you Alex, – wasn’t really looking for an apology.
For the record, I wasn’t referring to you.
SRT!
Don’t forget the book keepers visor and change dispensor. I’ll know how to recognize you next time I see you at Citifield. Lol.. JK…
I’m still laughing at that one. Do they even make those change dispensers anymore???
The ast time I saw one was a newspaper vendor by Queens Plaza, right before you get on the 59th St Bridge a couple of years ago. lol
SRT, when have I ever insulted you in any way on this site or any other? The problems here would stop if certain posters would stop grouping people like we were back in Pre War Germany or the McCarthy era. Once the grouping stops, then there will be less time devoted to responding to these schoolyard fracases, and going back to debating baseball. Some of the ones who complain the most here are the ones who start the fire like TRS did today – a fact that was noted by SaltyGary.
Wasn’t referring to you, MM.
Actually if you would read my post I have been saying exactly what you are. Stop labeling people and get back to looking at each thing individually. Instead we end up in the same pro and anti debates on just two topics everyday.
You are 100% right Maniac, now if everyone would take that advise, which includes yourself and your boys, it would be better. Instead you call out others for instigating and blatant lies and other nonsense when you are as guilty as the next person. Everyone should own a mirror.
Totally agreed TRS.
Although just using the word “minority” without any modifiers is pretty kind of you!
ohh, and btw, as i have said many times, even the minority of us here can fill your little crappy blog who gets no attention from anyone except the bunch of you’s promoting it here.. if it wasn’t for that noone would even mention it..
Actually Alex, there are not THAT many more people who comment here than comment at our site.
There really aren’t.
There’s a “core” of a few dozen at each place.
I love how you guys run out of insults and always try to attack our blog. Lets see your’s?
Anyway, our blog is not on the same level as far as views with MMO, MB and AA. However, we are proud that over the last 3 years it has consistently ranked in the top 5 Mets blogs. It was never started to win a popularity contest and I don’t think any of us realized how big it actually would get and we are very humble to have such a loyal group of readers who are very intelligent and respectful of the different view points.
We get it, you have a blog and we don’t.. most of us don’t have the time etc.. shoot, i am only here around the day, family plus errand eat up the rest of my day, the thing i don’t get is, if YOU HAVE a blog, and HATE this site and us who participate in it, why be here 24/7??
Alex 9/10 times you guys bring up my blog, not me. I don’t care if any of your group read it, don’t read it, whatever. Obviously you do have time as you are on here and in the shoutbox half of the day. It doesn’t take long and between you and your make-believe super hero group I am sure there is more than enough time to get a blog started. Then we could see if you guys could get a top 5 Mets blog out of the 100′s that are out there.
That being said, never once have I said I hate this site. I have only spoken highly of what Joe does here and countless times have said it is the best Mets blog around. However, I will say this, the constant attacks and desire to make every thing into 2 debates with only 4 sides will be the down fall of the comment section with or without any of my readers commenting here.
Agreed, I am glad that TRDM is starting up and has a lot of good things going on but I still can’t resist coming here to read the reaction of the minority”
So, is this the 1/10 where it is YOU who bring it up??? seriously, get a grip, NOONE in here or that’s here for a while cares about you or your blog.. you’re the one who constantly keep putting this site and the people in it down by saying how much better your site is and how much civilized and good the bloggers are and blah blah blah… Joe D put this site together and it’s the best blog there is out there, we should be thankful for having instead of reminding others that YOUR BLOG is somehow the sh**… once again, if it’s so much better why are you here? if the content on YOUR blog is so much better and more baseball educative then WHY ARE YOU HERE???
Yup that’s the one out of 10. Also provide me one example where I say this is not a great blog or I don’t like the blog. Again, not liking the post that some of your super heroes make does not account for or represent the entire blog. However, because of the reaction of that minority the comment section is in danger for sure.
Funny, the minority group from “your blog” that comes in just to bait it’s a good group according to you… Problem is all of you think you are so much better and know more than everyone else, so you shared that same thought, therefore your little blog runs well, everyone agrees with everyone and live happy thoughts, while in here we all disagree but somehow we survive the day because we talk baseball, and even though some of us don’t like each other we weather the storm and unite.. all of you act as if y’all better than everyone else, and it’s comments like the one you made the other day when you said “i come here to mock people” that make you the biggest aHole there is… no wonder people used to call you the real jer* since 1986…
Can you read for once? The entire passage?
I have said over and over that we don’t agree on all the issues, we just respect each other and realize there are more than just two sides where as some of you don’t even want to admit there is more than one.
Also, while I did not say I come here to mock others, I did say that sometimes it is fun to toy with the idiots. I stand by that and luckily for you I do not consider you an idiot. Some of your super heroes are walking a fine line though.
Now back to your other comment, talking baseball is not what you guys are doing,. All you are doing is spouting the same garbage everyday about the Anti-sandy debate and things that happen on here 6 months ago.
And finally, for now. IF me realizing that there are multiple sides to every issue and that most of baseball is in a gray area and not on one side or another? If trying to look at all sides of an issue before I make a decision makes me better than you guys and causes a few irrationals not to like me and call me a jerk, then yes I am better than them. Sorry.
Again, I find your comment very offensive and an attempt to just stomp the crap out of any truth at all.
Find even one comment where I said my blog is better. One single comment.
My blog is always something that you and your super heroes try to attack anytime you don’t have a real response to the facts that I provide. In other words it’s a your mamma joke, aimed at getting a response. The only problem with that philosophy is that I don’t give a damn if any of your mythical group likes it or not. Why would it? I am not in some popularity race. Just like with sides of a debate there is room for a lot more than 2 blogs and they don’t have to be competing with each other for views. The second problem is that now you are actually doing what you nor I either one want to do, attract views to my blog through this comment section.
You’ll never change, kingman. It’s good you have a site now where you can all agree and have the personality of a sponge. Run along now, show’s over.
I actually change all the time; that’s what intelligent open-minded people do.
This place does indeed have a lot of smart and excellent people; it’s just the handful of obnoxious clowns that Joe enables which ruin it.
At TRDMB we have a comment community without peer—there are MANY huge disagreements. But there’s not ONE person who comes even remotely close to exhibiting the aggressive ignorance which is often the coin of the realm over here.
Argue all you want—it’s clearly the absolute truth.
I dont have to argue, facts are facts and you cant change history. Once again, like your namesake often did, it’s the Golden Sombrero for you.
Agreed, I have said all the time that the only thing our posters agree on ALL the time is the irrational comments of the minority here.
If it’s so bad here why do you come?
Because it’s the minority and I enjoy the articles. Also, as I said we don’t get a lot of irrational comments. Different view points but not the extremes that you see here so it’s fun to try and figure out what in the hell goes through their mind.
My god… I just threw up in my mouth… the futility and pathetic display during the offseason continues…
It’s a minor league signing Alex.
Do you understand what a minor league signing is, how inexpensive it is, and how risk-free it is in this type of situation?
Sorry Alex, but you really make yourself look bad making a comment like this.
Oh no, the shoutbox must be overflowing it’s running into here now.
Glad to hear Young is back with a minor league deal. When healthy he is a nice pitcher to have, and this costs the Mets nothing. The best case is he’s healthy and fills a spot that the Mets may need… the worst case is he isn’t healthy and it cost the Mets nothing except the ink in the pen.
I like Young and hope he gets to the bigs again
Young gives the Met doctors and trainers a similar rehab injury to compare Santana’s rehab to.
As long as it is a minor league deal I have no issue with it…
Truth is it took Santana this long to get back…SO if that gives up a leg up on having him if he shows he is ready to pitch again so be it.
But I really don’t expect that until August the earliest.
Maybe July if we manage to find a way to trade pelfrey or Johan…
In all seriousness and attempting to talk baseball.
With the reports of him being ready much sooner than Johan was ready are we sure that the injury and surgeries were identical? That is something I think that gets lost is that some surgeries are more severe than others even if it’s the same injury and that some players rebound much quicker than others.
I had two twin brothers break their arms in the same spot this season in basketball, imagine what the odds in that are. Both had almost identical breaks, surgeries and scars but one recovered at a much quicker rate.
He not ready any sooner than Johan was truth be told.
And he has had this problem for two years and rested the first one.
it makes it that much harder for the tissue to join after it has been apart a year than it would be if he had the surgery as soon as Johan did…
That said it took Johan a year plus to be ready. And Santana was throwing off a mound in late august. He had to stop and then the offseason hit.
perhaps that means Young can start throwing soon maybe even late april…Still a long way to go before he is as close as Johan is now and whats worse for him is there needs to be an opening on the roster before they dare take a risk on him.
Pelfrey is the one best suited to fail from the looks of it but are they going to dump him just to take a chance on Young being ready for the daily grind?
Way too many dominos to project what will happen in July. But if (big if) he seems fully recovered, and someone wants to trade for Pelf, and the record at the time supports it, then it could happen.
Or, as often happens, a position opens itself up (some DL stints say), and they will need the depth for that reason. May give a guy like Harvey a little more development time (if needed).
Lots of possible outcomes, but one thing for certain, you can never have too much pitching depth!
I was giving a very UBER OPTOMISTIC timeline there Stick, As you said in the other reply there is just way too much crap going on in that area to consider anything routine.
The delay in operating is one small part of it but the biggest factor would likely be pitching as he did with the bad capsule and with a shoulder that was as unstable as his was!
That alone could cause further damage Johan didn’t have because he pretty much stopped pitching a week after the injury happened.
So many factors here
I agree it was worth a MiL contract and anything is possible opening up a spot in the rotation for him but there is just too much that has to happen between now and then because we can even think about him making this team!
They could dump Carassco instead.
That should be roster spot #1.
Still at best makes Young a Reliever not a starter!
Something has to give in the rotation before they will even attempt to bring him up!
Important point about this . Shoulders are far from standard. Not like a basic knee job or even tommy john surgery , where you pretty much know what was done and what recovery is.
Huge differences when you are starting to cut into muscle, shoulder capsules, etc. So recovery time (and functions regained) can be wildly different. And very small track record of guys trying to come back from it.
stick — no doubt about it. Shoulders are the most difficult and await future medical/surgical advances before routine outcomes can be predicted.
Can’t hurt signing Young to a minor league contract and seeing what he can do. Anyone wanting to knock Sandy for doing this is indeed just looking to knock Sandy, period! I’m not a fan of Sandy’s but this makes good sense.
It also appears as a nice gesture of appreciation on the part of Sandy, at least giving Young one more chance of showing he might be able to pitch again despite another injury on top of the others.
Hi guys and gals, been away from here quite awhile working a lot of long hours. Well anyway. I like the the resigning of Young. As Stick and others said, you can’t have enough SP depth.Plus Sandy is probably angling for more here. By signing Young this year, Sandy is going to have the heads up of signing Young next season ( if he truly comes back from this surgery) to a modest incentive laden contract for a veteran SP. I think most us realize that unless Pelfrey has a huge turnaround season this year, there’s no way Sandy is going to give Pelf an app. guaranteed 7MM for next season nor risk going to arbitration with him after this season. Maybe Young makes it back from this surgery- he was a crafty, soft tosser- 85.86 fastball before the surgery and its not like a fireballer that has to reinvent oneself.
trs – the freaking reply button does not work! So lets all just chill out. My biggest problem and what always makes me lose it is when I’m grouped with other or insulted without provocation. I like Alex and have known him for years but he’ll be the first to tell we agree on stuff only 50% of the time and the same with Bayonne. Today alone I disagreed with both on Young, Alderson’s trades thus far which I’ve liked, and direction of the team. They get clobbered for their views and baited by the same people daily, then when they react and go into defense mode the high and mighty show up pointing fingers. Everybody just chill out and let sleeping dogs lie. Don’t kick the dog than moan and groan after he takes a chunk out of your leg.
I wish this shit would finally end. The fanbase has never been so divided before. Every day it’s the same old nonsense from grown men. I can’t wait for the season to start so hopefully this childish shit will %#@$&# stop.
actually i’m for the Chris Young deal if u remember. Who knows? Maybe gets healthy and gives us 4 more starts this year. Seriously a minor league deal for this guy i see no problem with as long as they know he’s healthy cuz so far an alarming number of Alderson’s signings going back to last year have ended up on the DL
Bay when you are shopping for a lot of low-risk high reward guys and reclamation projects you are going to get a lot of injured guys. One of the things Omar had to deal with was the same thing, there was never enough budget left to finish the deal so we had to go with these same types to try to finish the roster.
Actually Maniac if it was up to me I would get rid of all the groups. I think however, some have this constant need to make everything black and white and one group vs the other group. In fact that is why Alex even invented the core. Some purposely try to pit one against the other.
I said this above:
What if I agree with not matching the Marlins offer, disagree with the Rauch signing, think Omar did a decent job with the minors, think that Sandy provides more professionalism than Omar, think that Wheeler was a good move and think that Harvey was a great pick? What if I like using traditional stats like OBP, OPS, WHIP and see some value in saber stats yet do not think that some of them hit home because of sample size? What if I still think the eyes is the best way to judge a defensive player?
What group would that put me in? To me it would put me into the Mets fan group.
“My biggest problem and what always makes me lose it is when I’m grouped with other or insulted without provocation”
That’s why I try not comment anymore. Tried to have debates and the only thing I wasn’t accused of was making out with Sandy’s golden retriever. Just because I don’t completely hate the gay and just want to give him time before I judge. Pretty silly.
LOL – I know that was a typo salty but something about kissing Buddy and gay…..
Hahaha yes I don’t hate the guy or the “Gay”.
Well I am glad you don’t hate the Gay. It is the 2010′s.
Not that there is anything wrong with that…
Agreed.
As an aside here, I find it a bit curious that Warthen and TC have only used Chris Schwinden 6.1 IP this ST in 3 G and haven’t stretched him out at all. IMO, Schwinden should be the Mets no. 1 SP depth option headed into the season with Bautista being rumored heading north with the Mets as a swing long, short man out of the pen.
I wonder if he has gotten any minor league starts? He’s not a very big name so would they even report it if he had?
I just assumed Schwinden would be starting when he went back down. Agree – I would think he’d be first up if one of the starting 5 go down early. Leave Batista in the BP.
“yep the truth is often not very exciting….”
Metsi, not in the way you express it!
Though we agree with many of the points you raised, should the Mets indeed become a competitor for many years to come due to what Sandy has done – or didn’t do – I will be the first to admit I was wrong in my assessment of his methods and/or the front office staff he put together and will lead the pack in tribute to his long-term planning.
There is nothing so terrible about admitting one was wrong.
Should the mets become successful I will glady give Sandy credit for it!
Not before it!
I have only judged Sandy based on the moves he has made and so far they aren’t very good and have nothing to do with the future of this organizations success!
A one year deal is a not about the FUTURE it is about the NOW!
And I have no problems with playing for the NOW provided it is to WIN NOW not just tread water now!
We aren’t close enough to play WIN NOW…
So these one year signing are not about winning ANYTIME! They are merely about saving money and I will give sandy credit for building for the future once he gets someone here who is about winning in that future and he had better get more than just Wheeler of it will never happen!
It can’t be either or. They needed depth and it was a cheep option.
Nope here it is always the land of white and black.
We can’t focus on the future by signing one year guys, we should go out and bring in future players or bring up guys from the minors who are not ready yet.
Or sign 28 year old All Stars for around the same price per year the next two years as the Armando Benitez slouches he spent that money on so we had a solid SS, Batting Champ, Premiere leadoff hitter for the next 6 years!
And don’t give me you usual crap that we couldn’t get him for the deal the Marlins did because they did get him for that much!
So you blew Reyes’ salary on three guys with a 7+ ERA traded a .270 CFer to help pay for that as well and ALl are gone in two years forcing you to start over exactly where you left off this offseason!
Only 20 Mil down and no more assets to sell off to replace them!
The Marlins are on the hook with Reyes for 106 M over 6 years. Francisco, Rauch and Ramirez are a total commitment of what 18 M? That’s like 15% of what the marlins are contractually obligated for and it just confuses the issue cause no team could have gotten Reyes for 2/20 without also paying 3/85, so you if you want to average it out fair enough 18 M, but you won’t be claiming 3 years down the road that Reyes is making 30 M when comparing him to someone on our team, you’ll be claiming 18 so keep it even.
Your point is our 3 guys in the pen over the time their here for won’t return close to what Reyes will over the next two years and your absolutely right. No question about it but hopefully we can do something much more positive with the 85M 3, 4 and 5 years from now. Maybe we will, maybe we won’t. Maybe the Wilpon’s will send that money to Picard who knows but we won’t until then so it’s not a fair comparison in my opinion.
In the best of all possible worlds we spend that 85 M on an aces and get 3 supplemental round picks from Francisco, Ramirez and Rauch and hit on all 3. Big.
Either way we’ll just have to see.
18 Mil for 2 Years (and not even that long because some are one year deals…
Divide that 18 MIl those 7+ ERA pitchers are getting by Two…
Whats Reyes make per year the next two years?
Hmmm for the SAME PRICE the next two years you could have filled:
Leadoff position
Shortstop
And did it with a batting champ base stealing all star!
Nope that 7+ era was more important!
And there is still no guarantee that we won’t eventually pay more than that 106 mil by the time we finish paying all these scrubs in 6 years time!
You see you washed out on what you got compared to what Reyes is making, And yes while he gets more in year three (only 16 MIl a measly 5 Mil raise from last year) in year three and promises of 20+ Mil after that….
According to everyone who feels the PAYROLL FLEXIBILITY is going to be there in three years to buy what you want what Reyes would be making really wouldn’t be an issue then would it?
Because Santana and Bay would be off the books by then!
SO all this crap about a long term view is just that it’s crap!
Long term view would have been to win with what you got and keep Reyes at the discount for the next two years and hope those kids fix the attendance enough, or keep fans interested enough to sit through the purging of Bay and Santana instead of this lets not get reyes and buy short term scubs with the money we saved!
THATS the short term view…not LONG term one!
Hey Metsie, I wanted Reyes resigned too but there is no way your getting him for 2/20 M so it’s just not the same thing at all.
Reyes got 6/106 M. These guys got 1 -2 at 18 M.
Not even close to the same thing no matter how you slice and dice it.
And you forget you got 6 years of a hole filled and instead you don’t even have ONE filled at the same price Reyes is getting for the next two years!
When is this Future you guys keep talking about?
7 Years from now?
Is that why Reyes for 6 is not worth it?
Is that the plan to not spend for 7 years?
Or is it to not spend until Santana and Bay come off the books in which case would have coincided just PERFECTLY with Reyes getting a 5 Mil raise and then three more years at his full rate!
I have to say getting something good for 6 years at any price is better than getting nothing for two years 18 Mil!
Why can’t you come to grips with the fact that they didn’t want to commit 6 years to a player that hasn’t been able to stay healthy the last 3 years. How many times does one team need to get burned with long term deals before they realize they normally don’t pan out. Sucks losing a home grown kid but thems the breaks.
no it’s better to commit two years to a guy who can’t get anyone out instead! YEah thats a blowup after missing playoffs by one game thinking if ever I heard it!