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2012
Wright Ranked #4 Among All MLB Third Basemen
An article by Craig Lerner
MLB.com released their 2012 Fantasy Baseball Preview and among their top 100 players, they ranked the Mets’ David Wright No. 19. overall. Wright also was ranked the 4th best third baseman behind Jose Bautista, Hanley Ramirez and Evan Longoria.
If Wright can put up a season like they project, he’s going to command at least a five year, $100 million dollar contract. Should the Mets decline his $16 million option and give him an extension like that? I’d say yes, but that’s assuming he’s still a Met after next season.
In case you were wondering, Jose Reyes was ranked two spots ahead of Wright at No. 17. Here are their top ten fantasy players for 2012…
About the Author: Craig Lerner
I'm a data analyst and researcher for a leading news agency who loves life and is hooked on the Mets. I love following the Amateur Draft and have a particular fondness for the Mets Minor Leagues who I follow each day. Give me a cold beer, a summer day, and a Mets game, and I'm good to go.
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Well, miguel cabrera is a third baseman as well.. put him ahead too, youkilis the same. ximmerman too.. the list goes on…
i know this is fantasy wise, but i said hanley ahead of wright as a 3B and i got all kinds of insults, i am hoping that the same people come in this thread and start bashing MLB.com for doing the same..
also, for the sabergeeks who can’t play baseball but love crunching numbers to be part of the game, not sure if you knew that yesterday was the day the PECOTA stats for players came out..
for those who don’t know, i am sure a lot of the kids in here don’t pecota is a bum who never could hit for anything, and played for us one year, 1991 or 92 i believe when saberhagen came here.. either way just thought i shared that wit y’all..
In real baseball, Hanley doesn’t hold Wright’s jock.
jajajaajaajaja, based on what!?? with reyes at the top look for hanley to have an MVP TYPE SEASON this year, again, that team will be dangerous with that lineup from 1-8.. wouldn’t shock me if they score 1000 runs this year..
Based on what has actually happened.
Based on real baseball. You want a prediction? Here’s a prediction. The Marlins maybe win 85-88 games and Hanely finishes the season an Anaheim Angel.
Donal, after many people here see you for what you are and becoming an afterthought, i will ask you a question, based on what happened? what exactly happened? hanley has had 1 off year in his 6 years, wright already has 2.. hanley is an MVP type player, wright isn’t. or at least since 2007 he hasn’t been.. please stop this ok..
See me from what I really am? You’ll have to elaborate on that.
Also, let me know when Wright brags about quitting on his team and gets 2 managers run out of town. Or when he takes his gripes to the media.
Or maybe you can tell me when Hanley Ramirez established himself as a super clutch player.
Let me know when Hanley Ramirez is a 5 time All Star with 3 top 10 MVP finishes.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see Hanley have a better year than Wright…he’s a very good player,capable of some great years. So people acting like there is no way Hanley can have a better year are foolish. But the truth is that Hanley hasn’t been better than Wright since 2009. And really 2009 was probably the only year in their respective careers that Hanley was significantly better than Wright. So you acting like there is no way Wright could be better is equally foolish
Donal, hanley has been in top11 MVP 3 times, 3 times all star, an MVP runner up, a batting champion, and all of this with a team with not nearly as talented as the new york mets from 2006-2008.. can you please stop this nonsense? hanley has been leadoff guy, second, third, he’s been moved up and down in the lineup because he can do it all, since 2009 here are both their avg numbers:
Hanley 303 18 76 and that’s including he only played 92 games last season due to injury, projected on 162 games his numbers would be: 303 24 96 40 dbl and 35 sb
wright: 284 17 79 … and in 162 games he’d be 284 22 95 40 dbl and 24 sb.
again.. hanley numbers are similar to wright in some departmens, but remember, the man has been leadoff for many of those at bats…
So, he’s been less than Wright in the numbers, is a cry baby who vocally quits on his team and runs managers out of town, is protected by an egotistical jerk of an owner…and you like him better.
I love how we’ve got guys who cry over Wright being a choker and attack him for “lack of hustle” but turn a blind eye to the actions of Ramirez, Reyes and Zambrano.
Reyes’ actions??? reyes???? he was nothing but a great citizen of new york, during hsi time here you never hear a peep about reyes.. ramirez is a cry baby? based on what? you know what, i am not even gonna engaged with you, you’re not worth it.. think whatecver you like, i’d take ramirez 10X over david “he made a great 3-2 pitch” wright..
So, you are completely unaware of Ramirez’s drama in Florida?
So your a Marlins fan now! Cool! If some else posted something like this you’d kill them, but its ok for you to change the rules for your agenda. Typical
hey, i am not the only saying hanley is better than wright, people with knowledge of baseball are saying it as well.. or what, isn;t that what most of you tell us when arguin a point?? go stalk and bait someone else.
Continue saying moronic things and being a hippocrate!
i hope joe D sees this and understand why you infuriate some of the commenters here, all you do is come and stalk guys like me and bayonne and others, you never talk baseball, you insult us and if we insult you back we’re chauvinist pigs, we don’t respect women, blah blah blah.. whenever you see my name and a comment, stay away and don’t reply, i’m told not to get baited by you or others so i stay away, do the same please ok.. i’ve try to talk baseball with you a few times, but as usual, you bring nothing to the conversation.. please, move on ok..
Her only posts here are “reactions” to people she hates. That’s it. She adds nothing to the site. Nothing. She’s a crack pot and you can be sure there will be an unrestrained reaction to this too.
We have here an example of the pot calling the kettle black. The irony of it all. lol.
Oh here we go, as if either of you bring anything but hate abd just repeat the same garbage everyday and call out people for what you do everyday yourself.
I am a fool for wasting my time!
Alex68 — C’mon stop with the ‘Kay is a stalker’ nonsense. She has an opinion of your views, so let it be. You have your views, which you repeatedly express, and Kay has hers. Why do you keep appealing to Joe D? Who is acting like a baby? Personally, I expect more from you. We have too many whiners on this site already.
Des, since you were gone for a year or so, you do not have any idea what i and others have to endure with her, in the mets shoutbox she’d come in just to bait people, she doesn’t have an idea, she stalks people to get them riled up and banned from here, she’s nothing but a baiter who never talks baseball.. go back and look at her comments and see what she does, and the reason why i ask for joe D to see this it’s because i am hoping for him to see what she does and he can ask her to stop that.. this site is for baseball debates, and even though i don’t like many people here for the way they carry themselves it’s stil lbaseball talk with them.. with kay that’s never the case…
Alex68 — You really must have missed me since I was gone for only 3-4 months while I was on a charity mission. I missed you too Alex. Really. I just don’t miss the thin skinned, visceral dislike of some commentators. Each of us has our own opinion so why not ignore the stuff you don’t think adds to your point of view? I have seen some crazy, really crazy comments made by some of your friends. I try to ignore them, especially when then don’t bring logic to the discussion and when they don’t know how to deal with facts.
Des,you’re my boy man, of course i missed you.. but i am telling you, do not put your hand on fire for someone other than yourself, you might get burn..
Alex, we’ve communicated a lot on email and you know I like you and respect your opinions even when we disagree. When you stay on point, you bring a lot to the table. I wish you would take a page from Maniac’s playbook who has agreed to stop contributing to the flame wars.
Readers like Kay, Des, Metsie, Bayonne and Agee have been loyal readers AND supporters of the site. A few of them for over 6+ years. Why can’t you make an effort to realize they all bring something to the table?
I’m not asking you to change your opinion.
I’m not asking you to agree with everything they say.
I’m not asking you not to post your thoughts.
I’m only asking you to do so with out your insults.
I’m only asking you to stop prefacing every post to them with STFU.
Is that really asking too much?
Have you noticed that for over a week Jessep, the Lex Luthor to your Superman, has also stopped adding to the fire. He hasn’t attacked you, or responded to you, or mention you in all that time. In fact he’s taken it upon himself to help police the comments.
So here we have Maniac and Jessep, two polar opposites, making an effort to make these threads more about the topic instead of preconceived notions and wrongly grouping people who disagree with you.
So what do you say?
Joe D i will do my best to police this site too, i respect everyone’s opinion, and i have tried to get along with everyone here, but my opinions for some reason are somehow more polarizing than others, my thoughts and comments somehow are always put to the test.. even my the CORE salutes you bring people to say negative thing about me or causes a negative reaction… in regards jesseP, i don’t respond to him either, not even in his ridiculous articles, so i am good.. i have tried not to get baited, i seriously do not wanna engaged with people who attack me, but keep an eye for those that do.. i am sure we all are gonna have different oppinion, but respect should be given.. ask TRS86 since me and him used to go at it all the time in MB.. we argue and debate all the time, and here we are, even enemies can show respect..
Truth is Alex,you don’t respect anyone’s opinion. If someone has a difference of opinion with you,they then become a sucker of Sandy’s gonads.A Sandy apoligist,A sabergoon. Every thread your comment is usually the first one and it’s always something about Sandy this and Sandy that and god forbid someone doesn’t share your view,you then insult them until your fingers get tired from typing. You don’t even know me but yesterday you call me a Sandy and Wright lover. Nobody and I mean nobody has been a bigger critic of Wright’s mental toughness than I have and I have never once said that Sandy can do no wrong nor did I ever say he’s doing a good job. I guess since I haven’t called him the worst GM in franchise history that makes me an apologist. And Maniac who’s getting credit for policing this site calls me a fool and tells me to buy a clue because I said people who say Omar took over a worse situation is actually not true. I only started commenting on this site a few weeks,even though I have been an avid reader of this site for years and I’ve never once insulted anybody but have already been insulted 3 or 4 times. Some of you need to grow up.
Thanks Des but it’s useless, lies, and more lies. Why would I think otherwise.
Hanley’s had one off year and he can’t hold Wright’s jock? Really? That’s totally ridiculous.
Fonzie, it’s funny how people here described reyes’ last season as a fluke, and whatever he did on the past doesn’t count, yet for wright they still use his 2007 season as the player he is.. it’s amazing how many people STILL think that somehow that guy is some sort of hero…
Yeah funny like you saying I’m a Wright and Sandy lover,which couldn’t be further from the truth.
Think baseball, not hitting.
When the whole Wright vs Alfonzo was being debated here a few months ago,nobody said think baseball not hitting. I get it Hanley is a jerkoff but to say he couldn’t hold Wright’s jock is nuts.
Hey Fonzie13, Hanley has NEVER played 3B in his six years in the majors. So maybe it is just a gift for him to be ranked as high as he is. Talk about a leap of faith.
Before you bestow knighthood on Hayley, I want to see two things:
1) How he handles good bunts, both with his glove and barehanded.
2) How he handles his fragile ego. It’s not a done deal how well he’ll accommodate Reyes. He’s had trouble before with his teammates and coaches.
Not hard to figure out why he is ranked on this list ahead of some other really good “3B”. This is a fantasy list that factors only fantasy output not things like knowing how the hell to play 3B or being a good teammate. Why would a fantasy draft person care about that?
Hold on Des! I’m not talking about Hanley playing 3B.I’m talking about Wright and Ramirez as baseball players for their careers. I have no idea if Ramirez can play an adequate 3B or not.I just think to say Hanley can’t hold Wright’s jock as a baseball player is ludicrous.Up until last year,Ramirez was considered one of the best players in the game so to say he can’t hold another very good players jock is unfair and biased. I don’t know how you took what I posted as anything to do with Hanley’s ability to play 3rd.
“for those who don’t know, i am sure a lot of the kids in here don’t pecota is a bum who never could hit for anything, and played for us one year, 1991 or 92 i believe when saberhagen came here.. either way just thought i shared that wit y’all..”
Uh, the PECOTA rankings have nothing to do with Bill Pecota. The names is just a coincidence.
Stop! I’m still haunted 20 years later by Jeff Torborg’s infamous “Wait till you see Bill Pecota!” endorsement.
I thought Valentine’s, “wait till you see Kaz Matsui” was worse.
The Brad Emaus craze that the Sandy’s androids were going crazy about ranks right up there too but that’s more of a collective mass hysteria by a certain group than a comment by a manager.
I remember some loser going off on how great Mike Jacobs would be at 1B. Talk about hysteria.
PECOTA developed by Bill Pecota? Hahaa. There is a CAIRO projection too…I wonder if Miguel developed the algorithm in his spare time!!
I think Bayonne and Alex share a brain
Did i say that?????? doesn’t matter what it’s called, the creator is just another geek who in 2003 came up with it to be part of baseball.. since most of the sabermetrics never played baseball or if they did they’d suck horribly at it they came up with mindless numbers to discuss baseball and hoping more geeks follow the theory..
Ya, that Bobby Valentine loser probably never even stepped on a field.
If you weren’t trying to tie Bill Pecota to the PECOTA rankings, why did you bring him up?
“doesn’t matter what it’s called, the creator is just another geek who in 2003 came up with it to be part of basebal”
Funny you should say that: Do you know where batting average comes from? It was invented by a British writer who either couldn’t understand baseball or didn’t know how to express what he was seeing, so he used a cricket stat and adapted it to baseball. Yet, you and yours will still decry how great it is over OBP, which was invented under the guidance of Branch Rickey.
“since most of the sabermetrics never played baseball or if they did they’d suck horribly at it they came up with mindless numbers to discuss baseball and hoping more geeks follow the theory”
No, they were actually developed for actual professional teams (those things you’ll never be part of) and are used by people actually in MLB.
You’re just so sad when you lash out uncontrollably about things you can’t understand.
It is named after Bill Pecota. They said it on MLB network…..And I just quickly looked it up on wikipedia:
“The word is a backronym based on the name of journeyman major league player Bill Pecota, who with a lifetime batting average of .249 is perhaps representative of the typical PECOTA entry. “
Vinn, as usual, the CORE salute you, bill something invented it, can’t think of his name.. i am glad you backed me up on this, i remember when it came out my first thought was wow, they got a system for that bum!!!!
It was mentioned on Clubhouse Confidential about 2 weeks ago. It was named after Bill “Wait to you see this guy” Pecota.
Yeah it was named after him. Not created by him. Big difference.
If he is putting up numbers like they projected, then I agree, would love to see him extended. I’m guessing your 5 year/100 mil is probably correct, but we’ll see. I would think you would look to just pick up his option year, see if he’s healthy into the following year and then try to sign him to an extension, but that would be eerily similar to the Reyes situation with Wright possibly becoming an UFA.
A lot could come down to how the kids progress this year as determining if you extend Wright or not. By kids, I mean not only Ike/Thole/Tejada/Duda/Niese/Gee, but also Capt. Kirk, Havens, Gen K2 and the like. If the progression is not there (heaven forbid), I’d be leery dropping 100 million on Wright until he was proving to me that he could put those numbers up not only in 2012, but also into the beginning of 2013 as well. There would be more holes to fill than just 3B and having so few command such a high percentage of the salary can be trouble.
Speaking purely from a fantasy standpoint, Ellsbury power will drop. He’ll be good, but not first round-good. Last season was his career year.
Kemp will likely decline slightly. Not out of the first round, but not #1. The 3B eligibility might put Miggy at #1.
Upton could be this year’s Kemp.
“he’s going to command at least a five year, $100 million dollar contract.”
if he does he might get tested for alcohol or some type of drugs in his system.. who’s gonna pay a 30 year old $100 million for 5 years for a 3B with his best year behind him and only hitting 280 around 25 hr and 90 rbi’s??? seriously, some of this writers in here are biased but wow..
How do you rank a player (Ramirez) that has never played position ahead of ones that have, even in fantasy.
No defense in fantasy.
Or in Miami
HI-O
And about 18000 fans a game to see it.
BTW, from the genius himself “Sandy Alderson tells the Post “we’re pretty much there” for signings. “I don’t see what’s out there filling our specific needs,” he said.
so, here’s the free agents left: “cespede, damon, eric chavez, doug davis, kyle davis, JD drew, fukudome, john garland, gibbons, ross gload, mike gonzalez, Vladimir, wes helm, Kazmir, jason kendal, derek lee, scott linebrink, felipe lopez. damaso marte,. ramon ortiz, roy oswalt, tony pena, renteria, ivan rodriguez, tejada, javier vasquez,…
so, noone from that list can help the mets??? vasquez, oswalt, ortiz as a SP would be an upgrade..
linebrick, marte, kyle davis doug davis are pitchers who would be here for cheap.. this is why the man is doing a HORRIFIC job with this team.. he’s not even trying, for him to say all those FA not one can help the man it’s a sign of not even trying… jason kendal and irod can be an upgrade over thole/nickleaus! but no, sandy doesn’t think so..
If you don’t have the money, you don’t have the money. But agreed that Fukudome, Oswalt, Ivan Rodriguez and Mike Gonzalez would all help this team. Even Doug Davis or Kyle Davies would be help for SP depth, which the team does lack. Again, I’m not a Sandy worshiper (but certainly not a Sandy hater) and I think he’s done an overall good job considering the financial restrictions he’s been under, but I still don’t understand how this starting rotation is not a major concern. And there isn’t anything to speak of for depth at all either.
He never said they wouldn’t help. He said they were done signing.
“I don’t see what’s out there filling our specific needs,”
STOP LICKING HIS B***!!!!!!!!!!
Good lord, you really don’t have a clue, do you? What’s their needs? An ace? A future catcher? A future 2B? A shutdown closer? Who on that list fits those needs? Felipe Lopez, future 2B? Scott Linebrink, shutdown closer. Ivan is a guy you can build around?
All those guys are old stop-gaps. Why don’t we give younger stop-gaps a try first?
All those guys are old stop-gaps. Why don’t we give younger stop-gaps a try first?”
isn’t that what he did last year?? getting hu and eamus? how well did that work out? you don’t think thole and nicklaus would benefit from having someone like ivan rodriguez teach them about catching? you don’t think vasquez would help this team and maybe win 10-15 games?? help the bullpen with innings as well? we have no pop in the bench, wes helms can back up wright and pop a few, don’t you a gree? by the way, cordero sign a contract for $4 million dollar, instead of paying franciscon $6 million i would’ve signed chad qualls, lidge AND cordero for about the same… again, horrible job as GM..
Sure, Rodriguez can help Thole and Nickeas, but I doubt he’d accept a role as a bullpen catcher/unofficial coach. Vazquez can win 10-15 games? Pelfrey’s averaged 12 wins since he became a full time starter.
Chad Qualls? You tore me a new one last year when I wanted him. Now some other GM signed him, and he’d be a great help to the Mets. Be consistent. Brad Lidge? You complain up and down about the old reclamation projects Sandy signed, and now you want Lidge. Awesome. Be consistent.
Since 2007, Wes Helms has hit 17 home runs. Since 2007, Scott Harston has hit 62 home runs.
Stuckin, there’s no $, yet why give out $10 million into rauch and franciscon then?? we could’ve use $5 million into set up and a closer the other $5 million we could’ve filled 3 or 4 more holes, we could sign a C, another power bat to the bench maybe wes, and 2 or 3 SP… seriously, ramon ortiz, linebrick, kyle or doug davis, they could’ve easily be here on minor league contracts and incentives on performance.. he’s done a TERRIBLE job as a GM, i am pointing to facts, i don’t like him true, but to say he’s done a good job based on the financial situation of the team is utterly ridiculous.. he’s done an AWFUL job from top to bottom…
Who’s your #3 million dollar closer?
Yeah, I know the money spent on Francisco and Rauch can be debated. I thought they spent a little much on Rauch, but I still liked the Francisco signing. At the time, that was the market and had he waited too long, who knows what would have/would not have been available. So, i know we can all “arm-chair quarterback/GM” it, but the market at that time was what it was. And I’m sure he would have been killed had he waited up until a week or so ago to be making signings for the closer and such. Again, hindsight would have lead to better/cheaper signings, but I’m sure that is the same for every team.
And one last thought on that, who is to say that free agent wouldn’t take a million to sign in, say, Phillie, but require 2 million to sign with the Mets? I know when I deal with certain clients, we up the costs for dealing with them because we know its going to be a mess dealing with them. I’m sure FA’s think the same way.
To me, it’s just a sad state of fiscal affairs that the team can’t find an extra 2-3 million to sign at least Ivan and then one of the pitchers on a minor league deal.
In retrospect, $8.5 mil for Madson would have been better, but no one knew he would fall that far. The Reds got lucky with that one, plain and simple.
Agreed. And then you have Philly signing Paps for roughly the GDP of a small African country.
LOL – I loved that signing. They’re going to have to do some finagling to keep Hamels.
You have to wonder why Boston passed.
..and we have Mets fans that are actually concerned with how much the Phillies paid for a reliever who can help them win the World Series.
Mets fans here are actually sticking their collective tongues at the Phillies and questioning what they do with their money. Amazing.
No no… The Amazin’s!
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-10-worst-transactions-of-the-winter/
And the winner here – #1 worst transaction of the winter is:
Phillies Sign Jonathan Papelbon for 4/50M
Coming in at #3 is Marlin’s Heath Bell signing
Coming in at #5 is the Nats Gio trade
Coming in at #6 is the Marlin’s Buehrle signing
Don’t forget Matt Capps and Brad Lidge.
The fact that Bruce Chen got 2 years 9m, makes what Francisco signed for pretty reasonable. And this is not to debate whether Francisco will give the team what it needs, it just shows how crazy the FA market was again this season.
SRT, what do you make then about the worst offseason for teams this year ranking the sandy alderson led new york mets as the worst #4? but of course, i am sure you’ll say well, nobody has won a championship on paper, well guess what, we’ll just have to wait and see then right??
‘what do you make then about the worst offseason for teams this year ranking the sandy alderson led new york mets as the worst #4?’
Sorry Alex…I honestly don’t understand what you’re asking me here. Other than I’m assuming it’s some dig at SA’s off season grade.
I pointed out Fangraphs opinion of the 10 worst off season moves so far this winter.
I think I saw an article a little while back on grading off season moves for a team as a whole. I believe the Mets were in the bottom tier. Can’t really remember….
All I can do is repeat……Broke.
Not a whole lot you can do with very little money to spend.
You can spend it smarter.
But you refuse to accept that scenario.
Sigh……
Linky? I mean, it doesn’t surprise me, the Mets had a rough winter, I just want to read it.
unbelievable,
Mets fans taking solace in looking at who ALLEGEDLY had the worst signing of the off season.
It’s laughable, it almost makes you ROOT for Jonathan Papelbon. The stupidity around here is getting worse.
I WISH the Mets were able to make these kinds of terrible signings on this silly, silly list.
Solace? LOL…yeah, O.K.
We have, many many times.
Those terrible signings is what got the Mets in this situation in the first place…
Before he signed Rauch and Francisco,there were people here in an uproar over the fact that he hadn’t done anything to that point.Now they complain that he was too hasty.I thought he overpaid for Rauch but you can’t have it both ways.
I’m with you. When you go back and review, there are always better moves that “could” have been made. hindsight is always mad dog 20/20…
He made those moves to make ppl try to forget what had happened less than 48 hours ago.. he batched the reyes situation and needed to make a move.. he overpaid to get those 2 to try and justify his ineptitude!
Last year one regular poster here who never ever does anything but whine and 2nd guess was going on and on about Alderson only signing injury rehab comebacks was asked who he hoped Alderson would go after and responded Wang and Garland . Two guys known to be injured, one rehabbing and one trying to stave off surgery (unsuccessfully)
You don’t hear any first guesses out of this guy because he wants to have it both ways. Complain about anyone Alderson does sign and complain about anyone he doesn’t sign al well.
See the guy signed, not signed or still available is not the issue. Complaining about every single move that the current GM makes is the issue while defending every single other GM for every move he made as if “going for it” or “trying” is the goal.
Neither one of those things are the goal. The goal is to win it and win it regularly, not once or twice a decade make the playoffs.
I think he did as well as could be expected last year. He gave Castillo and Perez a look, then when he realized he couldn’t get anything for them or out of them he got rid of ‘em, rather than keeping them around. He got two starting pitchers, one worked out to some extent as a 5th starter one didn’t. He resigned another for 2 years and a club option that took 4 of the 13 M he had to work with and was easily our best pitcher last year. Good call. He also signed a LOT of relief pitchers to mostly 1 year, 1 M deals and it would be naive to believe he was able to reel in all of his 1st and 2nd choices. When you have 13 M to spend on 13 guys only an idiot would expect top performance out of most of them.
He also signed a couple guys for the bench, got a set up guy for a year who was decent and two rule 5 picks, one of whom is a young arm who showed some promise and at 25 may be able to at the very least be a much better AAA call up than Kunz was for instance and cost nothing to obtain. The other one busted and was shipped out, no different than our entire bench in 2010.
He also made a good selection at Manager and Hitting Coach and got two great seasons out of two guys in their walk year and cleared 15 M from our 2012 payroll in the K-Rod deal or our team would be worse this year. A closer alone does not make a bullpen but all of a sudden we have a little competition and depth in the pen between guys he inherited Parnell and Acosta and guys he brought in Beato, Brydek, Ramirez, Francisco, and Rauch.
He also added some prospects with tools and arms that if they make it will be more long term solution than bookmark fit in to where ever we have a hole and will allow a more concentrated focus rather than a scattershot one at the scrap heap in the future in Wheeler, Nimmo, Evans, Fullmer, Mazzoni, Verett, Leathersich, Muno, Marquez and Garcia our top IFA signing. One missed opportunity I think was in not getting Mason Robbins signed. What would it have taken another M at most and probably half that.
He made some mistakes as well in signing Carassco, and again in signing him for two years and then again in not cutting him this off season when we lost Rhymer Cruz in the rule 5 and Jose De La Torre as a career minor leaguer. The Reyes situation could have been handled better but that’s more on the owner than anything else. There wasn’t much he could have done with just 13 M to address catcher and LF and there was nothing he could have done other than trading guys like Harvey, Familia, or Flores that would have made a big enough difference and that would have seriously impacted our future. He didn’t get any help from the farm on the 25 from anyone who hadn’t already been up here as our closest prospects were all on the DL in Mejia, Kirk, Havens and Fern most of the year so with 13 M for 13 guys what could you have really expected especially in the pen. if he didn’t have to sign so MANY guys he may very well have been able to spend more on starting pitching and it’s not like we hadn’t wasted a huge amount of high draft choices for that very need. Joe Smith, Kunz, Rustich, Nissen and Clyne, The only one that panned out was traded for a guy who didn’t. Rustich is a particularly galling 2nd round draft choice. 72 appearances for UCLA he pitched to a 6.10 ERA in college and we take him in the 2nd round? Niessen has never been able to get RH hitters out. Bottom line we should have had 7 picks in the top 123 of the 2007 draft but we gave away our best one, busted on the other six and watched as Washington, Atlanta, Philly and Miami pulled numerous good players out of the draft, then we lost Flores in the rule 5 who paired with Thole would have given us a well conceived young catching corp but without leaves us at #30 out of 30 teams in MLB at that position.
We not only lost the pennant in 2007 but we lost a lot of our future that year too.
Alderson cannot be blamed for the incredible number of defficincies on the Major league roster just like Minaya can’t be blamed for the lack of top quality prospects when he arrived. Alderson can also not be blamed for the financial situation and that combined with all the numerous holes and lack of depth really stretched out the few dollars he had to work with.
Some people just want to see us in it for as long as possible every year, other would prefer to see us win it often and just rarely be in it and fall short. I’m in the second camp and i realize we didn’t get this way in just a few years and I’m realistic enough to realize we can’t get the wheels back on overnight. it’s going to take a couple of years just like it did the NYY in the early 90′s and the Braves in the mid-late 2000′s.
You can’t make up for all the damage caused by “going for it” over two decades in two years or even 3.
My god man, why don’t you just write an article??
the guy is nuts, i truly believe it. Nobody normal does what he does so i don’t even debate anymore. I may give a response but follow up? With this guy? No way. See how he had to get the last word with Medgal? Guarantee a last word is coming here – doesn’t matter what the subject is, he is defiant to the end..as if he has tourettes – the way he’ll ramble on.
LOL, I think he just did. I will read the rest of it later.
Spot on Agee! You really should write an article when the draft approaches in June. You follow the draft alot deeper than most people. Even more so than I do.
he does a lot of reading about the drafts yes. But his assessment of things is so prejudiced, pathological, false, prejudiced and borderline insane that it undoes all of that.
Yeah, Ruiz was the reason for the 07 & 08 collapses and you’re gonna buy into that? There is something definitely wrong w/the guy.
What does Ruiz have to do with the draft?
And not to mention that he uses that information to come up with all kinds of pathological Second Guesses years later. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.
Not one team has signed those players but Alderson is to blame. Hmmm maybe teams just think Chavez hasn’t done anything since ’06 and it’s more cost effective to go with a internal candidate. Doug Davis hasn’t been effective since around the same time. Most of these guys just make no sense for a team that is broke and that is giving internal talent a chance.
Why would the Mets pay JD Drew 3m-5m to to have a back back and take time away from Duda?
Didn’t Drew retire?
Not officially. Gammons said he’s leaning towards retirement.
Alderson comments: “The Braves and Phillies did very little to improve their teams, as well.”
my god….
There’s such a clear baseball IQ difference between you and most of the world. What did they do? Thome? Ty Wigginton? Overpaying a non-elite closer? What did the Braves do? Jack Wilson? The guy you ripped apart when he was linked to the Mets? Now he’s an upgrade because another team signed him?
This.
However, the Phils and the Braves were better than us on paper to begin with so that’s not really saying much…..
Alex, when the hell did Alderson make that quote???? Is he insane? You have a link??
Maniac, good morning my dear friend, he said that on the NY Post talking to dan martin, also from adam rubin:
AdamRubinESPNAdam Rubin: “Here’s the Mets (SNY)-owned take on Alderson comments: “The Braves and Phillies did very little to improve their teams, as well.”
From dan martin in the NY Post: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/alderson_says_mets_are_staying_pat_J7uzP7CfoRpttwvzHtrEbL?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=&
Sandy Alderson should be the LAST guy to comment on how other GMs improve their teams. He should try watching and learning.
Reading that article made me think of that old saying “denile isn’t just a river in Egypt”. Does he take the fans for fools? He’s gonna sit there and say we’re pat? Maybe if he said something like “I think I could have done a better job this off season” than maybe i would take this clown seriously. The guy is doing a pathetic job as GM and he can’t notice it?
Bayonne, don’t tell that to jesseP, donal, xtreem, srt, kay, craig, and others who somehow defend this man as if he’d won a championship for this franchise already.. seriously, it’s just getting sad at this point…
Did you ever stop to consider that those who you named defend Wright because he happens to be a member of the New York Mets? Because he’s our player? Shouldn’t we defend all of our players as long as they give 100% and leave it all on the field like Wright certainly does? We’ve had some terrible players over the years like Ollie Perez for one. How can you even think of giving Wright that kind of a label? He went out and played a month with a fractured back, compare that to Mets who have asked out for a blister. There’s a lot wrong with this team, but Wright ain’t one of them.
Joe I have to disagree,
Removing Wright would be removing a culture from this team. Sure it would be harder now with Jose gone as well and we’ve already gone through this before in that I would have approached the whole thing differently right from the get go and try and retain Jose and move Wright but that’s that.
I honestly believe that removing Wright, as long as we get something good back, would be addition by subtraction. That’s how I feel about it
Well Bayonne you do realize that what you just said is the same excuse used for letting Reyes, Beltran and K-Rod go?
It’s the old we didn’t win with him so why not NOT WIN without him parlay!
I don’t think Wright is a god nor do I think he is as bad as has been made of him.
In the end he is HARDLY the worst player on this team as it is currently constructed.
We’ve lost enough All Stars on this team already!
Why would we want to make the case for letting yet another All Star go knowing full well that they are only going to replace him with something lesser?
It was a decent argument to make when there was a choice of cutting Reyes or Cutting Wright!
We are WAY past that choice now!
Why make a case FOR Sandy trading him and getting what he normally gets in return and who he buys with the money he saves?
I respect you and Alex thinking he isn’t the be all and end all at 3B but lets face facts he is one of only three players on this team anyone actually thinks is good!
That may say more about the team than it does about Wright, But why help Sandy’s cause and give him reason to get rid of the last remaining players anyone agrees is at least better than most 3Bs in the league!
I kind of agree with Bayonne here. At least as far as Wright goes. I have to be consistent though. I wanted Wright and Reyes both gone. Anyone that was on the 2007-2008 team I wanted out of here but that’s just me. I can understand the sentiment about wanting to keep them because we’ve had so few homegrown players ever amount to anything special. But after what happened here those 2 years,I was convinced that group would never get over the hump.
I disagree. It is not fair to say “well, we couldn’t get over the hump with players x,y and z so let’s dump them”. We wouldn’t even be at the hump without Wright, Reyes, and Beltran. They were the most productive “big 3″ of that stretch. It isn’t their fault the team wasn’t properly put together to take full advantage of their productions.
I didn say it was their fault. I said I wanted to go in a different direction.Tear it down and rebuild.I’ve said that numerous times here. I never put the blame on one or two players shoulders.It was a total team effort.I know others blame one or the other. I bring their names up because they could’ve netted us the best return in terms of trade value.After those two collapses,I was convinced in my own mind that they lacked heart and leadership along with certain areas of the team to ever win again as a group.
Fair enough, it just reads like you were blaming them.
I can see what you are saying trying to get max returns for them, but I think those three could have led a better built team to a championship.
ummmm, Joe D i was tal;king about sandy alderson on that comment.. but to make my point about wright, my problem have always been how he gets a pass for doing the same thing or even worst that people were getting on beltran, reyes and delgado for doing.. he doesn;t hustle to first on a ground ball and nobody says anything, jose did it once and he got a he’s lazy label, beltran struck out in the NLCS and was never forgiven, he did the same during the playoff run, people were looking for excuses, the excuses for this guy is what made me put him on display for what he is. i don’t sit on the TV wishing he doesn’t do well, i root for every met, but the excuses for him it’s what has tuned me out, seriously, people STILL hate on reyes and beltran yet this guy get all sort of pass.. i did not say anything other than ramirez IS BETTER, 4 TIMES BETTER than wright imo and i’m hating? based on what, that is my opinion he’s better? you should know more than anyone what i think of him, we discussed this one time we were emailing about the donation i was sending, i don’t hate him, i hate the excuse and passes he’s been getting throughout his career as a met, it even made me wonder if all of it was because mets fans as andy martino once said are rac-ist…
Oh sorry, you’re right. Silly me, I saw this post was about Wright and totally forgot that all our comment threads eventually become about Lord Sandy. Please accept my apologies.
Yup and for some reason they are going to continue to be that way. I almost did not even come on here today. I saw some of the post titles on my droid and dreaded even reading the comment sections. It’s the same stuff everyday. I could comment on about 90% of these post and their inaccuracies and biases but really why would I even do that anymore?
Joe D, no need..
no harm done…
I’m sure I’ll PO the core here but I will say to you what I just said to Bayonne….
This was a useful argument when there was a choice between trading Reyes or trading Wright regarding which one to keep and build around!
But we are past that point now aren’t we?
Why make a case for Sandy trading away another All Star knowing full well what he will get to replace him in the lineup and what he will likely get in return (considering what he has gotten in return for the three All Stars he already sent packing!)
Sure there are probably better 3Bs in the league but we aren’t going to be getting any of them anytime soon! Even if we had a better one we would be talking about trading him at the deadline regardless of how good he is because none of our moves are about Deep Statistical Analysis or Performance!
All the moves made have been about Money!
While a trade of Wright might open up a position to play Murphy at his natural position the endgame still is we will get nothing in return merely because Sandy does not seem to be a good horsetrader at all and keeps getting raked over the coals everytime he pulls the trigger on a deal!
We have lost enough All Stars at this point that I simply refuse to make the case for trading away another one!
No matter how good I think he is in the pecking order of MLB 3Bs!
Wright love him or hate him is not the WORST player on our roster!
And I don’t see the point in helping them get rid of more good/decent/All Star players knowig full well what Sandy’s alternative is likely to be!
Which is some scrub making 1-2 mil on a two year deal that does nothing for the short term or long term other than save the Wilpons some money!
you’re not gonna PO the core, Metsie. You’re making a valid argument there. I’m for moving him ONLY if we get the right deal otherwise it could work with him, you never know
I’m just at the point now that I have more faith in Wright being good than Sandy getting good for him.
We have much bigger issues on this Roster than 3B IMO…
I also know (as does the league) that Sandy isn’t going to get a lot for Wright merely because they know Sandy is desperate to cut salary even further and will take whatever the best deal is regardless of it being a good trade value on the performance scale!
All of our trades so far have been based on Payroll scale ignoring the performance scale entirely!
And we always seem to lose on the perfomance side of things.
I refuse to give Sandy reason to continue down that path!
If we had a better 3B waiting to replace Wright it would be one thing.
We don’t! Murphy is about as good as it gets after Wright…
and while that move might pay off I still have no faith that we will get anything good in return for Wright to justify the hit we will take putting Murphy at 3rd.
I disagree about the trades all being about $. Only 1 was. KRod absolutely was about getting out from under the 2012 option.
But Beltran did not save any money. That was all about getting sonething back instead of having him leave for nothing, since it was pretty much a given that he was leaving at the end of the year anyway.
And the Pagan deal was about performance since the money seemed to be about a wash (and that deal was really pagan for Ramirez, with Torres just a filler piece).
maybe I am missing some other deals? but these are the big ones that I cna think of.
Yeah only time will tell but then that’s 2nd guessing and you can’t do that… At the time of the Beltran trade baseball GM’s, scouts, TV guys, managers and fans all thought there was no way in hell you were getting Wheeler or any other guy like him for a Beltran rental that could not net any draft picks. Luckily San Fran decided to go all in and ultimately they will most likely be 2nd guessing their decision for a while, lets hope it turns into a Kazmir type deal only with a pitcher that can stay healthy.
Ramirez instantly became a top member of the bullpen while replacing a guy that while I liked him regressed significantly in every part of the game and had lost favor with the coaches.
Metsie, no, the CORE will salute you regardless, and it’s not as if i say he’s not good, wright is an ok player, and compare to the others 3B, he’s top 10.. but i don’t think he’s some sort of godsend as others do.. having beltran, delgado and reyes in the lineup made him a better player, having jason bay instead of those guys have made him average.. and tons of excuses have been made for him, even ppl still claiming that the ?HBP he got in 2009 it’s what made him average..
LOL Alex…
But ask youself this…
How many make him out to be a godsend because truth is he is probably the only PROVEN GOOD MLB player on our Roster left? LOL
People are clinging to the only GOOD players we have!
Which amounts to not much more than Wright, Davis and Duda with a Sprinkling of hope Niese will improve!
After that it’s all about Harvey Familia and Wheeler who have no MLB experience to talk about and revere!
Wrights not ever going to be confused with the greatest player to play the game…
But he is in the lead or tied with it as the best player on our team right now!
Kind of where I was going with all that!
I would much rather we find some way to dump Bay or unload Santana!
Both would save more money and not hurt us ONE bit!
I would take a Ham Sandwich for either right now knowing that would be one less salary Sandy could use as an excuse to buy more Kmart crap he is polluting the roster with and god forbid actually SPENDS some of it on a real starting pitcher!
Not some one year LET HIM RECLAIM his form cheapo who goes free agent after a year on our dime like we are some sort of Developmental rehab department for the MLB!
I’d say its quite the opposite. I agree that Beltran gets too much hate,but it always seemed Reyes was the one who got the pass. He was absolutely AWFUL down the stretch both in 2007 AND in 2008. Once in awhile it gets mentioned by a few people, but for the most part everyone has just blamed the Mets failures and collapses on Wright and Beltran.
Everyone points to Reyes, Beltran and Wright for our year end failures…
But the truth is the Pitching is what killed all those years!
Lets face it we have never had more than ONE real ACE during that time and even then that Ace failed or was hurt at the end of those failed seasons!
We put too much on the guys who couldn’t make UP for that and not the actual cause…
The teams in 2006-2008 needed one more ACE not one hit curveball or a better september from Reyes!
‘But the truth is the Pitching is what killed all those years!’
Who is this and what did you do to the poster formally known as Metsie?
I couldn’t agree with this statement more. Just have to look at the blown saves and the BP in ’07 and ’08 to verify this.
And even though we came close to going to the WS in ’06, we used 12 SP to get to the NLCS. Pitching sure wasn’t our strong suit that year. The outstanding offense carried that team that year. Defense didn’t hurt either.
In 2006, the Mets were 3rd in NL in ERA – The pitching was better than you think.
I’ll answer both you and Bay here…
YES the offense in 2006 was not as good as it could have been.
Floyd had a very down year and was getting to the end of usefullness.
But better starting pitching does tend to solve those problems.
yes we had better numbers overall as a pitching staff but only because the 1-5 were better pitchers compared to other 1-5s on other teams.
We had a solid staff just did not have that one ACE type 15-20 game winner which would have made our season!
We had good pitching and throught the starting 5, just not GREAT pitching!
Our best pitcher (Glavine) won only 15 games with a 3.82 ERA!
Where was the guy with a era under 3?
Thats what you need to go all the way and TWO if you can get it!
If the Mets get some key hits, it doesn’t matter what the bullpen does. The ultimate downfall of the Mets in 07 & 08 was the lack of offense when you needed it the most
Are you the one that claims you know more than the most because you played and coached the game? You can’t be serious with that comment?
It doesn’t matter what the bullpen does? So blowing games at a record rate is ok with you because some didn’t get key hits everytime they were at the plate?
WOW, it doesn’t matter what the bullpen does…….now I’ve read it all.
What i’m saying is that no matter how much the bullpen blew during those collapses the Mets always had their chances to win games with big hits. Their collective last acts respectively were guys not hitting when they should have. That’s what did them in and most of that goes to Wright AND Reyes.
You could not be more wrong.
“Guy’s not hitting when they should have.”
Give us a break. 33 blown saves it’s more like guys not getting an out when their supposed to.
After all it takes more than one hit to score most runs and even the best hitters, in their best seasons can’t be expected to get a hits every game in the 9th inning.
We lost 20 games in 2008 by 5 or more runs and gave up 5 or more runs 67 times. Double figures 10 times.
How many times that year did the offense seemingly win the game for a second time only to have the bullpen blow it for the 3rd time. Just look at the ERA’s on that team, that will tell you all you need to know.
Well SRT all I can say is if you actually bothered to read all of my posts you would find the tream of conciousness that threads through all of them!
You guys all think we spent to much and thats why we failed….
Yet at every turn I have argued with you folks that the issues wasn’t what we spent but what we FAILED to spend after taking that route to success!
ALL that spending resulted in three pretty exciting and competitive seasons!
What would have taken us to the promised land was one more ACE who even in a down year would have won 10-15 more games which would have made 2007 and 2008 run away experiences within our division, We would have won the division three years running and maybe even won one more game so that one curveball missed by beltran would be so devastating!
You and the Moneyballing crowd keep pointing at teams who don’t spend getting to the WS and Playoffs but never once consider the fact that WAY MORE spenders make it than non spender and more consistently as well!
Yes we spent our way to competitive play and playoffs!
If we had just FINISHED the job and ensured we had TWO aces not just one in any given year not only would we have made more playoffs in 6 years than Texas and Atlanta combined but one or two WS as well!
With 10-15 more wins (and a real Ace gets you more than that!) in 2007 and 2008 we would win 98-100+ games in those two years! That would have made us the best team in the NL! Maybe in all of the MLB!
add 10- 15 wins and ACE gets you to 2010 and we probably make the playoffs that year too!
Sure you can get to the WS without spending…And usually all you get is there, not the win!
So what I have said is right in line with everything I have ever said!
Our problems were not that we spent too much, It may appear like that now but thats only because we didn’t take advantage of the spending when we made it!
We stopped spending before we were done doing what the spending is supposed to do!
We stopped SHORT largely due to some bad luck injuries in 2009 and going after the wrong FA target in 2010!
If we had gotten Halladay instead of Bay this team would not be in the position it appears to be both in Competitive makup and attendance due to the fact we would be in the hunt in all years BUT that bad 2009 and people would still buy tickets to see it!
Spending on ONE ACE was all that was needed in the last 6 years to change the entire discussion we would be having today!
the Team fell short because it stopped short!
It ran a rather quick 9/10th of a mile in a one mile race and then stopped and never went that last 10th of the mile!
And the entire east just ran right past us because we been walking backwards ever since!
All because of the wrong perception we spent TOO MUCH (which has never been more than what the Phillies, Yankees and Boston has spent nor even close) when the truth was if we spent just 20 Mil more on an Ace we Omar would look like a friggin genius for doing it all within a year of taking over a team everyone thought was unfixable in less than 10 years!
Starting off with an assumption bordering on insulting?
Yeah, that’s the Metsie we all know and love.
SRT your the one who a day or two ago admitted you don’t read my posts due to something about Caps!
I didn’t assume anything just took what you said on face value!
If you didn’t mean it then why did you say it?
Yes, I did say that. Been skipping over a few posters lately because I got tired of the same old whining. In your case, I find it difficult to read when you use caps lock half the time, especially when they’re long winded.
I responded to this specific post. I didn’t think I needed to go back and research all your other posts to get an previous insight into what you were really saying. Just took that one post at that point in time at face value.
You do realize new posters come here occasionally and might respond on just one particular post w/o doing research to get an ‘flavor’ for the particular poster, right?
And you do realize how BAD it is to be a new poster, read one thing and then ATTACK that user without knowing a damned thing about what he has said and what his position is don’t you?
I get it…there are a lot of people who use the Internet as some warped therapy session…
And think it is just fine and dandy to say things on it that if they said to a person’s face in public would get them put in traction after getting the snot knocked out of them!
I been involved in public forums from the days of BBS’ and the early star of Usenet which you may now know as the NEWSGROUPS!
And we had one very important rule back then…
DON’T POST until you have read the groups for awhile and see what is going on!
A rule that was quickly ignored once all the AOHELL folks got thier internet access for 9.95 and pre-teenaged kiddies could start spouting infantile crap on Mom and dad’s computer cause even a chimp could get around AOL’s interface!
I don’t really care about those folks nor do I give them SLACK for being uninformed and snarky after reading one or two posts!
I personally could care less what those folks think because they are all too busy attacking people and talking when they should be listening and LEARNING!
Sigh…..some people just cannot help themselves.
Spot on – as well has having a bullpen that blew over 30 games, record breaking numbers, but very few mention that. They remember one at bat from a couple of players.
I heard an interview, a while back, with Rick Peterson on WFAN and when asked why the team failed in those years, he said it was a lack of depth in pitching both starting and BP. He went into a long explanation, I will try an research to find the dialog.
Part of the reason why the Mets bullpen blew so many games in 08 was because the Mets offense would get ahead early, but disapear late in the game allowing the other team to get catch up.
It wasn’t just because of the bullpen, it was the offense too because they were never able to add on to their leads.
I don’t really blame the pen as much either…
You look at all the recent WS winners (spenders or not) and ALL have one thing in common…
That ONE TWO punch at the top of the rotation that never allows a team to lose more than 4 games in a row even in the worst of times!
2007 all we had was Glavine and he won fewer games than Perez!
2008 we got Santana, Martinez was no longer the guy he used to be.
One more ACE changes everything about those two years and if they changed, 2009 seems like just a dumb luck incident that everyone would dismiss!
Even 2010 would seem like a good season!
It was the lack of a second Ace in those two years that magnified 2009 and made 2010 just another season to lament.
Add 10-15 wins a second ace gets you and there is NO financial problems with this team EVEN if Picard wins his case and the Wilpons have to pay 400 Mil to the victims!
because the Ticket sales would still be there and no Salary issues would exist!
There really was a cause and effect with the SP and Bullpen of ’07 and ’08. The starters were not strong. When you have Pedro getting hurt all the time, Glavine, El Dookie, Ollie and Maine not being able to get past the 6th ever, it decimated the bullpen. The teams hopes rested on Ayala in 2008. None of the other guys had anything left so we got a Ayala, because he was at least not burned out.
The pen was never as good as it was in ’06 but needed more than Glavine and Pedro for ’07. In ’08 they did get Santana and it’s hard to just get 2 aces, but more could of been done than relying on Ollie and Maine and a very young Pelfrey. Whether you get a decent mid-level starter or bulk up the pen.
Omar did try to get another top flight starter.He just didn’t have a trade partner that matched up with us. Halladay was never a free agent.He was traded to Philly and wanted to go there because their ST facility is near his home.He didn’t want to come here.
truth is Fonzie he didn’t have a partner that would let him steal one!
As much as Halladay wanted to go one place or the other if we had made the move and traded one or two of the holy of holies that Omar kept untouchable he could have gotten it done.
As for 2010 My statement was way more in regards to 2007 and 2008, 2010 would have been better if he had halladay and it would still be enough to stop the attendance retreat.
But no moreso than if they had made the playoffs those last two years in 07 and 08 which I am sure would have changed Halladay’s preference on where to go since we would have been the division winners not the phillies those years!
Those two years were lost opportunities that started the fall and 2009 just put the nails in the Attendance and free Agent desirability coffin!
Mets had a knack for putting up a good amount of runs in innings 1-3, fair in innings 4-6, not many in innings 7-9.
If the offense gives the pitching runs and a lead, they’ve done their job up to that point.
The pitching’s job is to hold that lead.
Asking the offense to again put up more runs time after time after time where the pitching coughed up the lead time after time after time is just not sustainable.
Yeah, a good offense can rally in late innings. But asking them to constantly pick up a bad BP is normally not going to happen. It shouldn’t take 6+ runs every night to win a ball game.
I remmeber game after game in ’07 especially where I would be in/out of the car, and leave with a good sized lead, and come back in a bit to find the pitching gave it back and more, then lather rinse repeat.
Teams can’t score every inning, and when the offense is putting up 6-8 on a daily basis I can’t fault them for not getting another 2-3 in the bottom of the 9th every night!
Yep. Innings 1-6 the Mets scored more runs than anyone in 08. 6-9 they were at the bottom.
Alex, you misread Rubin’s tweet. Alderson didn’t say “The Braves and Phillies did very little to improve their teams, as well.” Matt Cerrone did.
http://www.metsblog.com/2012/02/09/sandy-alderson-says-mets-roster-is-pretty-much-there/
In fact Cerrone replied to the tweet correcting him on the name he used for the quote.
http://twitter.com/#!/matthewcerrone/status/167607953044684800
Wow, did Rubin really refer to MetsBlog like this:
Here’s the Mets (SNY)-owned take on Alderson comments: “The Braves and Phillies did very little to improve their teams, as well.”
That was kind of a low blow by Rubin and I like Rubin. There must be more to this.
That’s kind of typical for Rubin, isn’t it? He’s become very good at those one line digs.
I call it ‘snarky’.
And someone on here last night made the claim that Rubin is really a Mets fans.
I read Rubin daily and you couldn’t prove it by me……
Thansk MNJ, i thought it was sandy.. but again, he’s right.. that’s what metsblog has become.. SNY owned.. and no negativity on the post there.. a lovefest!!!
What impact player did the Braves sign? What did the Philles do other than wreck their farm system by giving up a 1st round pick to sign Paps? Those two teams havent done anything.
The Braves are relying on their sysyem to fill holes while The Philles justy screw themselves more and more. Once those bloated contracts really start to strangle the Phillies people will really see that 3-4 years of success will be followed by long term failure. the Phillies are screwed with Howard, Utley, Halladay, and Lee. They are old and Howard and Utley are declining fast, with the other two soon to follow. Theres talk about them losing Hamels due to the bloated contracts. They have NO farm anymore and they arent the Yankees so they cant print money… We are in a good position to take the NL East back in a few years with the kids developing and a few more good drafts like we had last year.
I have no problems with Wright, meaning I do not dig and find things to dislike about him just so I can complain about something daily.
#4 to me is questionable but not ridiculous. I guess it depends on what you’re basing it on but their projection suggests they feel Wright is going to break out and return to form this year.
If he does, then he’s right up there for sure. Basing it on what we’ve seen lately he’d probably more like 5-7
have to keep in mind this was a fantasy ranking. And steals always count for too much there, so the projected 19 SBs is what pushes him up (not that his other numbers are at all shabby).
Right,and frankly I don’t play fantasy baseball this way to be honest.
I don’t think that projection of his offense is far off, I think it’d be a heck of a bounce back and I kinda think it’s gonna happen (or close to it) to be honest with you
Well I’m not surprised he is up there, I mean the guy has made the All Star game how many times now? That means more than just Met fans think he is a pretty good 3B.
What I don’t get is how they got to their projection of 27 HRs. They simply took his middle HR totals not his most recent trends there…Not saying it is impossible for him to hit that many especially now that the walls have been moved but still seems to ignore recent performance and goes merely by his middle number achieved in HR over his career which goes back to 7 years ago!
2009 was his “Everyone is dead I must carry the team” year along with “Goddam where are the walls I can’t them”. 2010 is closer to his normal production and last year he was injured. So the projection is based on him being healthy.
So wait, last year hanley had a bad year due to injury and yet noone mentions that, but right away is an excuse for wright’s down year???? let’s be consistant people, don’t only defend wright’s down year last year because of injury if you’re not gonna use the same excuse for hanly who played 70 games less than wright.. but of course, there’s a hall pass for the golden boy..
Where the Frig did I mention anything about Hanley? Keep your non-sense with the clowns up above.
Nonsense is having people like you infect this site with garbage excuses about the state of the team and the players…
Where is my excuse? I merely stated my opinion on how Wright’s projection came about and you are starting a fight. No wonder Joe “slapped your pee-pee” yesterday…
I really tried not to laugh. I tried so hard. I failed.
any comment coming from you means absilutely nothing to me, i don’t engaged with new people in this site unless they come in here with knowledge of baseball, it’s my fault for engaging with you, what, you ran out of little graphics for the site? no more copy and paste pictures??
Such an angry young man…
Why the hell would anyone on a Mets site defend a punk like Ramirez who plays on another team over someone on the team they claim to be fans of?
Wright had a fractured back, but that’s an excuse, but give a pass to a guy on another team? Wait are you really just a Marlins fan trolling a Mets site?
I think the projection is fair. It’s not anything Wright hasn’t already done before. I know he has a team option, but technically he’ll go out and perform like it’s his walk year. We know how that can effect performance (Beltran, Reyes). But that aside, Wright is finally healthy and additionally his confidence and psyche will get a boost because of the shortened dimensions. I believe Wright will come close to and can even exceed that projection.
The voice of reason.
There needs to be one when the clowns come out to play. I won’t be shocked either if Wright exceeds expectations. It will be funny to see the tide change.
Joe, I simply don’t buy the walk year concept. It is not like Beltran and Reyes suddenly performed better than they ever have. 2011 was the first time Beltran was healthy in 3 years.
Also, it behooves a player to put to together 2 or 3 years in a row of top level performance, because everyone will be suspect of him if he just has one big year.
I’ll buy that, but I still think a rich contract is plenty of incentive for improved performance AND even toughing out some bumps and bruises a player may normally ask out for.
Ya, but what if playing through some of those pains causes a drop in performance. Isn’t that the big criticism with how the Mets have handled injuries for a while now?
I just think it is a bad gamble to take, for players and teams
Donal,
I think that even if Beltran was sound for the 3 years, he would have been traded anyway. Wilpons could not afford him. Even if team had a good record, that would have been the case with all their financial stuff going on. The GM (no matter who it was) would have to break down team.
Was not saying it wasn’t fair or inflated just not really based on anything recent.
Wright is (on Average) a 25-29 HR hitter. More when he has some dangerous bats in the lineup with him.
What I was talking about had much less to do with Wrights capability and everything to do with thier methodology used in projecting.
It seemed a bit arbitrary to me.
And just to talk to the contract point I don’t think it would make any difference what his contract status is, Wright is not one of those guys who could ever be cited for tanking it.
Losing his focusmaybe but not due to laziness or contract comfort. He just gets into ruts and usually because he tries to do TOO much never because he doesn’t do enough!
so the question on the nunber 27 was not anything to do with the prediction of what he is going to do it’s reasonable, just wondered how they got there!
My head hurts sometimes reading stuff here.
I think it’s from shaking it, regarding some comments. Oh well, Lets Go Mets.