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		<title>By: paul nassau</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-227106</link>
		<dc:creator>paul nassau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets everyone remember there are 30 teams so the Law of Averages says we should have at least 3 players in the top 100.    Pops]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets everyone remember there are 30 teams so the Law of Averages says we should have at least 3 players in the top 100.    Pops</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-227096</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who said throw traditional stats away?  That would be as foolish as not accepting the new ones.  I don&#039;t throw away my hammer just because I have a nail gun.  Sometimes I still need a hammer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said throw traditional stats away?  That would be as foolish as not accepting the new ones.  I don&#8217;t throw away my hammer just because I have a nail gun.  Sometimes I still need a hammer.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226913</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey TRS...you wanted a name...Here is one guy who fits...I quote...

&quot;Do you even understand the arguments against it?&quot;

Yes Donal I do but none of them are actually valid!
Especially not when OBP takes into account POSITIVE PAs and calls them NEGATIVE!
The fact that BA calls the sacrifice and a Walk a WASH as contributed but unattainable  without another players help does not make it INCOMPLETE as you guys argue!

OBP is WAY more incomplete because it doesn&#039;t give credit where credit is due and gives credit when it&#039;s NOT due!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey TRS&#8230;you wanted a name&#8230;Here is one guy who fits&#8230;I quote&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you even understand the arguments against it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Donal I do but none of them are actually valid!<br />
Especially not when OBP takes into account POSITIVE PAs and calls them NEGATIVE!<br />
The fact that BA calls the sacrifice and a Walk a WASH as contributed but unattainable  without another players help does not make it INCOMPLETE as you guys argue!</p>
<p>OBP is WAY more incomplete because it doesn&#8217;t give credit where credit is due and gives credit when it&#8217;s NOT due!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll play provided you supply the following...How many teams don&#039;t EVER look at the traditional stats (Please show proof of this) because Sabers are around!

Why do they use Sabers? Because why not! What does it cost you to hire one geek to operate an Excel spreadsheet?

And tell me something where would all these Sabers amount to if we stopped recording those TRADITIONALS such as AB and Hits?

How would someones OBP be calculated if they just up and stopped keeping all those traditional stats you guys say should be avoided!

And if you want to know who just read ANYT article regarding Sabermetrics on this site!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll play provided you supply the following&#8230;How many teams don&#8217;t EVER look at the traditional stats (Please show proof of this) because Sabers are around!</p>
<p>Why do they use Sabers? Because why not! What does it cost you to hire one geek to operate an Excel spreadsheet?</p>
<p>And tell me something where would all these Sabers amount to if we stopped recording those TRADITIONALS such as AB and Hits?</p>
<p>How would someones OBP be calculated if they just up and stopped keeping all those traditional stats you guys say should be avoided!</p>
<p>And if you want to know who just read ANYT article regarding Sabermetrics on this site!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226908</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only if if also predicts what happened that 10th time...
If not it is not a RULE just a probability!

Just like rolling a 7 has a higher probability than rolling a 6 and an 8!

doesn&#039;t mean that you can predict which way the dice turn up!
It&#039;s not a RULE unless it applies in EVERY CASE not just the majority!

Would the laws of Gravity be RULES if they didn&#039;t apply everywhere and under all conditions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if if also predicts what happened that 10th time&#8230;<br />
If not it is not a RULE just a probability!</p>
<p>Just like rolling a 7 has a higher probability than rolling a 6 and an 8!</p>
<p>doesn&#8217;t mean that you can predict which way the dice turn up!<br />
It&#8217;s not a RULE unless it applies in EVERY CASE not just the majority!</p>
<p>Would the laws of Gravity be RULES if they didn&#8217;t apply everywhere and under all conditions?</p>
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		<title>By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  Back issues are a turn off.  However, when he came back from injury last season, in 63 games, his numbers improved.  He batted .272/.349/.440, with 8 HRs and 15 2Bs...considering the lineup surrounding him (no Beltran, no Davis, no Bay - well, Bay was there, but not really), those numbers are pretty good for a high-end 2nd tier player like Wright.  Obviously, he is not a superstar (Thanks, Fred), but in the right situation, he could still be a 25+ HR guy per year...that&#039;s not happening with The Mets.  I say trade him now, before his value gets lower, because, right now, I can&#039;t imagine his value rising much by July in this lineup.  Considering The Rox lineup and stadium, in my humble opinion, I believe Wright would excel there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Back issues are a turn off.  However, when he came back from injury last season, in 63 games, his numbers improved.  He batted .272/.349/.440, with 8 HRs and 15 2Bs&#8230;considering the lineup surrounding him (no Beltran, no Davis, no Bay &#8211; well, Bay was there, but not really), those numbers are pretty good for a high-end 2nd tier player like Wright.  Obviously, he is not a superstar (Thanks, Fred), but in the right situation, he could still be a 25+ HR guy per year&#8230;that&#8217;s not happening with The Mets.  I say trade him now, before his value gets lower, because, right now, I can&#8217;t imagine his value rising much by July in this lineup.  Considering The Rox lineup and stadium, in my humble opinion, I believe Wright would excel there.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fortunately I am not part of tha Coe.  (Sorry if I am imagining how it would sound when you say it aloud).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately I am not part of tha Coe.  (Sorry if I am imagining how it would sound when you say it aloud).</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226786</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You misunderstood.  I am saying the injury factor is going to detract from his value until he can prove healthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misunderstood.  I am saying the injury factor is going to detract from his value until he can prove healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wright wasn&#039;t performing before the injury in 2011, and he had no power in 2009 before his concussion.  And, in the middle (2010), his average dropped 20 points below his career average with no injuries.  His strikeouts are rising each year, while his average, slugging, OBP, and doubles are dropping.  The Mets&#039; got all they could out of Wright and, unfortunately, they have nothing to show for it.  A change of scenery is what he needs and he needs to go to a lineup where he&#039;s not &quot;the guy.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright wasn&#8217;t performing before the injury in 2011, and he had no power in 2009 before his concussion.  And, in the middle (2010), his average dropped 20 points below his career average with no injuries.  His strikeouts are rising each year, while his average, slugging, OBP, and doubles are dropping.  The Mets&#8217; got all they could out of Wright and, unfortunately, they have nothing to show for it.  A change of scenery is what he needs and he needs to go to a lineup where he&#8217;s not &#8220;the guy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226771</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey TRS86, you&#039;re one of my buddies, does that statement you made include you???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey TRS86, you&#8217;re one of my buddies, does that statement you made include you???</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226770</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And if you don’t think the Saber guys around here do ignore BA in favor of OBP well I suggest you read some of the articles I have written on the subject!
And the Saber arguments made against them!&quot;

Why, do you want him to compeltely disregard BA?

Do you even understand the arguments against it?

Or do you just make more stuff up, like you constantly get caught doing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if you don’t think the Saber guys around here do ignore BA in favor of OBP well I suggest you read some of the articles I have written on the subject!<br />
And the Saber arguments made against them!&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, do you want him to compeltely disregard BA?</p>
<p>Do you even understand the arguments against it?</p>
<p>Or do you just make more stuff up, like you constantly get caught doing?</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226768</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Metsie, ultimately why do you think that EVERY organization is now spending time and money on advanced stats?  Are they misguided as well or just using them as one of many tools that are necessary to compete in today&#039;s game?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Metsie, ultimately why do you think that EVERY organization is now spending time and money on advanced stats?  Are they misguided as well or just using them as one of many tools that are necessary to compete in today&#8217;s game?</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226766</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who are the saber guys?  Most of us on here would be laughed out of any &quot;saber&quot; discussion for even bringing up something so simple as OBP.  

Also can you provide a good example of a bad hitter with a high OPS?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are the saber guys?  Most of us on here would be laughed out of any &#8220;saber&#8221; discussion for even bringing up something so simple as OBP.  </p>
<p>Also can you provide a good example of a bad hitter with a high OPS?</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226765</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry you do a horrible job expressing yourself. And that your posts read like a 14 year old girl&#039;s myspace page. 

&quot;Numbers can be deceiving&quot;.....but your eyes and memory are perfect?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you do a horrible job expressing yourself. And that your posts read like a 14 year old girl&#8217;s myspace page. </p>
<p>&#8220;Numbers can be deceiving&#8221;&#8230;..but your eyes and memory are perfect?</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226762</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AAA has a ton of guys for MLB depth and career minor leaguers.  A+ and AA is where you can see tools translate (or not) in performance against other guys on the way up.  That gives the best chance of hitting projections.  A- and rookie leagues are all about the possibility of tools translating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAA has a ton of guys for MLB depth and career minor leaguers.  A+ and AA is where you can see tools translate (or not) in performance against other guys on the way up.  That gives the best chance of hitting projections.  A- and rookie leagues are all about the possibility of tools translating.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226761</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If there are EXCEPTIONS then the RULE you say is a rule is NOT a rule!&quot;

If something happens 9 times out of 10 and there is a logical explanatio nfor it, yes it is a rule.

&quot;And I showed way more than one exception in each of the last 5 years of my research!&quot;

You showed like 4 teams over the last 5 years that bucked the trend. And again, at least 1 of those teams (Toronto) had a 40 HR hitter in the line up. Also, how many of those teams continued to do it?

&quot;The fact that the lost of leading RS teams more closely correlated to their RBIs than their OBP just goes to show how bad your Saber RULE OF THUMB was!&quot;

Because you can&#039;t award an RBI without a run scroing. the run creates the RBI, not vice versa.
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation. 

&quot;And all you who think using traditionals is PASSE got the wrong answer because you INSISTED on IGNORING the traditional Metric that gives the right answer every time!
With only a difference of a run or two when it’s wrong!&quot;

A metric that is a result, not a cause. The problem with RBI is not that it is traditional (even though it only became highly valued i nthe 1980s). The problem is that it is inaccurate and misleading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there are EXCEPTIONS then the RULE you say is a rule is NOT a rule!&#8221;</p>
<p>If something happens 9 times out of 10 and there is a logical explanatio nfor it, yes it is a rule.</p>
<p>&#8220;And I showed way more than one exception in each of the last 5 years of my research!&#8221;</p>
<p>You showed like 4 teams over the last 5 years that bucked the trend. And again, at least 1 of those teams (Toronto) had a 40 HR hitter in the line up. Also, how many of those teams continued to do it?</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that the lost of leading RS teams more closely correlated to their RBIs than their OBP just goes to show how bad your Saber RULE OF THUMB was!&#8221;</p>
<p>Because you can&#8217;t award an RBI without a run scroing. the run creates the RBI, not vice versa.<br />
You need to learn the difference between correlation and causation. </p>
<p>&#8220;And all you who think using traditionals is PASSE got the wrong answer because you INSISTED on IGNORING the traditional Metric that gives the right answer every time!<br />
With only a difference of a run or two when it’s wrong!&#8221;</p>
<p>A metric that is a result, not a cause. The problem with RBI is not that it is traditional (even though it only became highly valued i nthe 1980s). The problem is that it is inaccurate and misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go to a sabersite, grit your teeth and then count how many times they rely on the stats above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to a sabersite, grit your teeth and then count how many times they rely on the stats above.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/02/wheeler-harvey-crack-laws-top-100-prospects.html#comment-226757</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously?  Those stats are only basically doing what ERA and BA do.  Dividing a result by total opportunities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?  Those stats are only basically doing what ERA and BA do.  Dividing a result by total opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[* Mean&#039;t Familia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Mean&#8217;t Familia</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T agee, thanks but i didn&#039;t send that one to you.. i meant that for donal who try to mock me for saying i believe in what i see more than what&#039;s written in numbers, as often we have seen, numbers can be decieving...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T agee, thanks but i didn&#8217;t send that one to you.. i meant that for donal who try to mock me for saying i believe in what i see more than what&#8217;s written in numbers, as often we have seen, numbers can be decieving&#8230;</p>
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