14
2012
Recap Of Sandy Alderson Interview On WFAN
An article by 
This afternoon, Sandy Alderson was a guest of Mike Francesa on WFAN and MetsBlog posted a summary recap.
- Johan Santana will throw off a mound later this week in Port St. Lucie.
- Ike Davis is in “terrific shape” and is ready to go – he will have a positive effect for the team.
- Daniel Murphy will get the opportunity to play second base every day – Justin Turner can play a number of positions on the infield.
- He isn’t sure if Spring Training is enough time to determine if Andres Torres will hit.
- It’s a big year for Josh Thole – it starts with improving defensively as well as his game calling.
- He feels the new fences will help Jason Bay.
- He feels the current rotation is “pretty solid,” if Santana is healthy.
- There isn’t anyone on the roster who doesn’t have something to prove.
- Lucas Duda has big offensive potential.
- He believes the team will be far more interesting to watch than most people anticipate.
- He recognizes the passion of the fans.
- He is worried about the defense, but feels the offense will perform this year.
- He expects to be able to invest money in the major league roster at some point.
For the entire interview, keep checking WFAN.com.
Original Post
Lots of varying opinions on Alderson’s foray into Twitter. Some are getting a kick out of it, some fans feel as though he’s mocking them, and others simply don’t care.
Where do you stand?
The funniest person on Twitter these days is New York Mets general manager Sandy Alderson. His account @MetsGM – reads like a good parody. Only it’s really him, the actual Mets GM firing tweet after snide tweet at the team that pays him, which makes it a thousand times funnier than satire ever could be.
Gallows humor plays well with the Mets, the biggest disaster in professional sports. They turn 50 this year, and their midlife crisis isn’t one whiled away in the driver’s seat of a Miata. Nor, as much as he’d like to be the case, the one in the car Alderson is driving to Mets spring training. ~ Jeff Passan, Yahoo Sports
I don’t know if this is a smart move by Alderson, too early to tell. But it does support what I said in December that he is now the face of the franchise.
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Whenever a GM speaks in a major market like NY people pay attention. Same as when Cashmen holds those interview sessions in the off season and people are tweeting what is said as it comes out. Not sure that means he is the face of the franchise if by face you mean the way say Jeter is the face of the Yankees franchise. It’s more like when the GM of a NY team speaks ppl pay attention.
Joe D, be honest, give us what you feel about these tweets? he’s taking it a bit far don’t you agree??? please let us know what you think before some of us comment on it..
He’s not funny, he has some nerve saying the things he says considering he has contributed to the problems not help them for the most part and I wish he’d take some calls on WFAN but i highly doubt it.
After some research I find that his handling of callers was not the best. Here’s a comment from one of the bloggers in SD about it once (I feel like Des now, lol)
http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ml-padres&tid=40202
“Alderson does not get high marks here from most for several reasons
Not the least of which was his manner in interviews – he was extremely condescending towards the fans… I am not sure why he subjected himself to weekly radio interviews by the Padres radio broadcast station because he seemed to hate it and was seemingly sensitive to any criticism by the hosts or callers.. He often came across as an arrogant Harvard Lawyer – probably because that’s what he is -
However it should be noted that he did accomplish a couple of things of note
He was able to get owner John Moores to loosen the purse-strings somewhat and increased the budget for signing draft picks… He also got the payroll up to $73M
He took Drafting responsibility away from Kevin Towers which was long overdue
Drafts improved in his time here, but he perpetuated the philosophy of going after signable players rather than the best player available and then putting a full court press on getting them signed… so he gets mixed reviews there
He played a big part in getting the WBC in San Diego which was appreciated by fans”
This comment stands out to me:
but he perpetuated the philosophy of going after signable players rather than the best player available and then putting a full court press on getting them signed
Of course that’s only one opinion but it sounds mighty familiar
I think they are talking about his drafting philosophy and not his FA philosophy there… Also considering the Mets did not seem to be scared off by sign-ability last year in the draft I am not sure it is the MO.
Pretty funny. I love it.
Great stuff by Sandy. He really is good.
Totally. Cracked me up.
He’s made all of 8 tweets and has 19,381 followers on Twitter and counting so far over the last 6 days. Rubin is looking over his shoulder as his lead of 22,913 followers is in jeopardy.
Yeah,he’s really good:
Russ Adams/Hu/Bonser/Young/Paulino/Young/Quintanilla/Cedeno/Bucholz/Tankersley/Blaine Boyer/Matt Tuiasosopo/Sean Kazmar/Fernando Cabrera/Mike Baxter/Lucas May/Chuck James/Johanny Sierra/Dusty Ryan/Willie Harris/Yoseibis Solano/…..and Brad Emaus
Add to that a TERRIBLE handling of Jose Reyes
He did have a good day though w/a nice trade and dumped a big hitter in the middle of a wild card race for a nice minor leaguer who will save the franchise (sarcasm)
You jerks deserve what you get.
And so do you Mr. Laughing Stock, or would you rather be called Mr. Irrelevant?
Reyes caused his own issues. Too bad he wasn’t smarter.
And there we have it…..
Agreed that is inappropriate. Jose does not seem unintelligent at all. He has a lot of weakness but I would not say he is unintelligent.
trs86 — there are many ways to be smart: academically, street, life, etc. Jose made an amateur’s mistake by announcing that he wanted $100 Mil before he let the market speak. His agent should have known better, but perhaps he was just sucking up to Jose for fear of losing a client. In any case, when Jose made his demand, the Mets best posture was to see if a market for that salary materialized. Luckily for Jose, one team out of 30 was willing to pay the price. Then Jose, upon hearing the good news, shut the Mets down. In retrospect, Jose cancelled the negotiation with his actions. So there you have it.
But ultimately he got his 100M so how is that unintelligent?
TRS86, don’t bother. i could not believe he chose that route to describe a human being, forget about a player, but we’re talking about him calling a MULTI MILLIONARE like jose reyes a dumb person based on his background. that to me was very offensive because me coming from DR saw what my mother and father went trough to provide for us, not many people understand what it’s like to come from another country and work here in USA to be better persons while dealing with all the adversity as well.. it’s a shame he went that way, funny how he often bashes bayonne but bayonne is always the same… i guess you live and learn..
You are, once again, making accusations you can’t back up. He said nothing about his background, so don’t bring up what isn’t there.
Want to counterpoint that Reyes is intelligent, go for it, go for it strong, but do NOT, bring into the argument something that is not there!
trs8t — He was lucky, not smart. One of thirty teams was willing to make a temporary hire to try the fill the seats in the new stadium. Jose’s agent took part in his dumb ploy too — unless he had illegal contact with the Marlins and knew what was going to happen. To avoid any misunderstanding, I’m not saying that Jose as a person is DUMB, just that he was uninformed, i.e., dumb, uneducated, about how a contract is formed. (Again, if his agent was told by the guy in Miami what they would do, which is not legal, all bets are off.)
If Miami doesn’t open up a new ball park,Reyes would probably still be a Met.The one year the Marlins decide to spend money of course it had to be the same year one of ours hit the open market.
For someone who has been portrayed as a player that ‘needs to feel the love’, I think he’s in for a rude awakening in Miami.
In NY, he was a homegrown hometown favorite.
In Miami, he’s just another star Loria bought for a fickle and as yet sparse fan base.
Or maybe I’m off base and the 100 MIL was the only love he really needed or cared about.
And we’re still having it… although i am not surprise one bit…
alex she speaks out of both sides of her ASS with the best of them, just in a very monotonous tone. She’s a Wright lover and puts that type of stuff ahead of what’s best for the TEAM.
What do u expect?
Oh so now Mr. Laughing Stock she is a Wright lover? Have you really even read any of her post? She posted a question on Reyes, if you would pay attention she wanted Reyes re-signed and is still not over the fact that he is gone. Me on the other hand, I am free game… I did not want Reyes re-signed to anywhere near the contract he got, only on something that would not cripple the finances when he inevitably gets injured.
TRS, man, just let him go. Ignore and move on, Ignore and move on.
I know but it has became so easy. He has lost his little useless battle and now every Mets site out there knows him for what he is… MR…. Laughingstock.
Wrong again. But thanks for playing.
and yet, we’re the bad guys bayonne.. at this point, it’s not even worth it to engaged..
You goof ball Alex, I keep trying to separate you from Mr. Irrelevant (still not sure which one he wants to be called) and you keep trying to lump yourself in with him. I am telling you it’s bad for the brand, just because some of us disagree with you does not mean you have a need for Mr. Laughing Stocks approval.
Alex68 — no one is tying you to Mr. Know-it- all except you, yourself. Let go and smell the roses instead of the manure. Think for yourself, my friend.
“He did have a good day though w/a nice trade and dumped a big hitter in the middle of a wild card race for a nice minor leaguer who will save the franchise (sarcasm)”
Too bad the Mets were pretenders and didn’t have enough to win the Wild Card any way you slice it. Of course, Beltran, the one you hated until his last season here, was gonna save us. You keep believing that.
“Gallows humor plays well with the Mets, the biggest disaster in professional sports.”
That isn’t true at all. the dodgers are still in a crappy position, the As are in a horrible place, the cubs haven’t improved yet, half the NBA and NHL are financial disasters, and the Browns will forever suck.
The Mets are in serious fiancial trouble right now, but that is something that may be fixed before we know it. Maybe even in time for next year.
Francessa : Sandy feel like taking some calls from the fans?
Alderson: Sure Mike, I would love to.
Francessa: Randy from Bayonne you are on with Mr. Alderson
Randy: Saber Sandy ARGHHHHHHGGDSKLDHSGK BLAAAAAAA…
Francessa: Looks like we have some phone issues hehe, Bob from Queens you’re on.
that was actually funnier than anything Saber Sandy has done. I think his moves so far are very funny though (or very sad)
LMAO!!! bayonne, i did not know you were this popular!! lol… that was funny though…
I guffawed.
I think it’s great. Love the dry sense of humor.
Agreed, almost like the poor guy has been a Mets fan his entire life. I know most of us have that same dry sense of humor.
Especially when it looks like humor is going to have to go a long way this season…..
Better to have a sense of humor otherwise we’ll be like TKNJ and have to be talked down from the ledge…..
come to think of it, I don’t recall ever seeing if he claims to be (or was in his younger days) a fan of a particular team?
You have to have a sense of humor with the TERRIBLE off seasons he had 2 years in a row and the franchise, as a whole, has suffered because of it.
Very funny.
Funny, not a pitch thrown yet, but it’s already a terrible season, not what a ‘true” fan would say.
He said terrible OFFseason, not regular season. And he’s right, this offseason has been awful.
Hmmmmm I’d thought he’d be used it by now, haven’t seen a decent one since 05/06
Eggs actly!
you know, out of the commenters who like and don’t like what this man is doing we have:
Des, Salty, SRT, TRS, Donal, Stuckin, 2012…. I am sure no need to ask thyself why they like what he’s doing.. things in this team have become about the GM instead of the team.. Sad…
I’m so sick and tired of reading these stupid, childish comparisons and rants referring to ‘us vs. them’.
Enough already.
By lumping me in a group of “People that like what Sandy’s doing” demonstrates you have poor reading comprehension or you just never have read any of my comments. You know the scale isn’t either “Vehement Hate for Sandy” or “Sandy’s Lover”, there are many more people very indifferent to him as a whole.
Why do you keep lumping us all into some mythical magical pro-Sandy group. How many conversations have you and I had the last few days detailing over and over my stance? I am neither pro nor anti Sandy only choosing to reserve my judgement until after 2013 when he has had a chance to put his plan in place. Again, if at that point the fortune has not turned then I will be just as negative, yet respectful
, as you guys.
Those clowns are turning this place into Amazin Avenue – lite
Lots of laughs, lots of snark to keep us busy. Meanwhile – lots of LOSING and lots of TERRIBLE moves.
But at least they think he’s funny.
Let me tell you something, if not for the players because that’s what this is really all about I would love to see this team be destroyed and his administration become a complete DISASTER. How much will they be laughing then?
I’m thatclose to thinking that. The only thing stopping me is common sense – the players (regardless of who acquired them) are innocent.
And hopefully they’ll do well in SPITE of Alderson not because of him
IMO, there’s nothing wrong with AA.
Good site as well. Lots of info on prospects and analysis on the projected starting 25.
Nothing wrong with having a sense of humor.
Every site you visit turns into the same thing Bay, it’s a common thread… you get laughed and and turned into MRRRRRRRRRRR>>>>>> Laughing Stock.
Seems like a believer in the philosophy that there is no such thing as BAD publicity.
You’re proving that what you say about everybody else is describing yourself. You’re actually rooting for the Mets to be a disaster because of the GM. You’re the one that’s obsessing over the GM.Everything you post on an everyday basis is about the GM. You want the Mets to suck so you can say see I told you so.That’s an absolute disgrace. What fan roots for his team to be a disaster. That’s exactly what you’re thinking.You’re not close to thinking that,you are thinking that. I have never heard a Met fan wish ill on their team because they dislike their GM. What a disgrace.
Says the guy who is running off to the Marlins and Yankees because of a guy mentioned in a book he’ll never read. Ya, everyone else makes it about the GM.
Ya, we must be in love with alderson. It can’t possibly be that we see these moves as neccassery and over due. That we’re sick and tired of the same old same old of treading along mediocre while getting sold the same garbage every year “ya, this high end free agent will win us a World Series”. It can’t be that we just want some positive outlook for this team that keeps finding new and amazing ways to dissapoint us. It can’t be any of that. It has to be we love an executive more than the team.
Donal – please stop consistently making sense.
These laughing fools spend more time pretending to be laughing at Alderson’s unfunny comments instead of coming up with their own ideas of what to do to improve the team
Here’s a VERY GOOD article about one man’s thoughts of REDOING the entire off season
It’s called “Using hindsight to redo the Mets’ offseason”
http://mets360.com/?p=9320
And the guy comes up with GREAT scenarios that somehow this very amusing almighty Genius that is NOT to be questioned missed out on. And like a blogger said:
“but he perpetuated the philosophy of going after signable players rather than the best player available and then putting a full court press on getting them signed”
That is EXACTLY what Alderson is doing now – to the TEE.
Yuk it up
Amazing how someone who always gets on people for using hindsight send a link titled using hindsight.
Because me and other people are here almost on a daily basis coming up with other moves that should have been done.
And of course it’s hind sight. What do you want us to do? Criticize the move before it happens? We can’t know until he’s made a move. He doesn’t tell us what moves he’s going to make does he/
That is completely different than looking back 20 years and saying NOW what should have been done AFTER many big games have been played.
That’s different and you should know that.
Now I have to explain how life works to people in addition to baseball analysis
Oh I got you, we should use hindsight only when it proves our point and not when it supports the opposition. It’s logic like this that has turned you into what you are.
Amazing also that someone who constantly derrides people for producing online fan content would use such content when he mistakenly believes it supports his physcotic rantings.
Read that article this morning.
Only this isn’t fantasy baseball. One can’t assume:
- half those players he target were not on the Mets off season list at one point
- that even if given an offer, any/all of those players would say ‘yeah, I want to play for the NY Mets’.
Right now if given a choice, it probably would cost the Mets more money than most other teams to land a FA.
in YOUR opinion.
In other words, you’re just defending Sandy and ABSOLUTELY REFUSE there could have been any other better way to make the Mets better.
it’s about Sandy to you, not the Mets.
Don’t give me that line of BS.
Keep telling you Bayonne, to quit reading between the lines. You’re just not that very good at it.
Your opinion has the same weight as SRT’s, so I’m not sure how somehow trying to slight hers makes yours have more weight. Just saying…
I’m listening to WFAN and some guy named Randy from Bayonne say Horrendous and Alderson in the same sentence.That was you? Even Mike disagrees with you.
“These laughing fools spend more time pretending to be laughing at Alderson’s unfunny comments instead of coming up with their own ideas of what to do to improve the team”
1) Yes, we all do suggest what we’d like to see
2) none of us, you included can do a damn thing about it, so there is no reason to get worked up
“Here’s a VERY GOOD article about one man’s thoughts of REDOING the entire off season
It’s called “Using hindsight to redo the Mets’ offseason”
http://mets360.com/?p=9320
SECOND GUESSER!
“And the guy comes up with GREAT scenarios that somehow this very amusing almighty Genius that is NOT to be questioned missed out on. And like a blogger said:”
you already parrotted this. It is not a “bloggy blog thingy”, as you call blogs, it was in fact a Padres mesage board
““but he perpetuated the philosophy of going after signable players rather than the best player available and then putting a full court press on getting them signed”
That is EXACTLY what Alderson is doing now – to the TEE.
Yuk it up”
Again, you parotted this already and the full quote you dishonestly cut out referred to the Padres DRAFTING during that time and also made it clear that the owners were not allowing a change in draft strategy
The Mets most recent draft was the exact opposite of this, going after high ceiling players asking for over slot and then going all out to sign them.
Yeah and how about providing your own ideas for a change. Name some names. Give us some of YOUR ideas not some nebulous BS about “Major League ready pitching.” or has advocating Mike Jacobs, Chien Ming Wang and Wayne Garland scared you off?
That is a good article and I agree Alderson could have done some of those things but none of them were YOUR idea.
Just more second guessing from the master of chronic whinning and second guessing.
Agee he said non-tender Pelfrey and then trade him in a package with Wright and either Valdespin or Havens for a major league starting pitcher. First of all you can’t non-tender a player and then trade him but even if they did decide to do a deal like that,1) Wright and Pelfrey are both making a combined 20.75 million dollars coming off the worst seasons of their career 2) Havens has yet to play even half of a full minor league season,Valdespin has no real position(sound familiar) a bad attitiude and is coming off 1 good offensive season. So who’s taking on that much money from 2 players that were below avg last year and 2 minor leaguers that haven’t put 2 consecutive solid seasons yet.What major league ready starting pitcher are we getting back for that package that’s an upgrade over the average staff we have now. Another move was Lidge for 1 million,Qualls for 1 million. Not bad suggestions for the pen but not good suggestions as closers. Henry Blanco who’s probably gonna max out at 30 starts. I agree with him that Rauch was over paid and I would’ve rather they gave Maholm one year at 4.75 but I have no problem with Francisco.I would’ve given Jose Molina a crack instead of Nickeas.
All good points Fonzie. Realistic trade scenarios involving only guys who are under performing and chronically injured minor leaguers do not bring back anything but the same.
Bonilla for Rojas and Izzy for Billy Taylor come to mind.
Fact is the guy has no clue. Thinks just trying is the same thing as winning. Then makes a pile of excuses as to why it didn’t work out. Doesn’t even consider the fact that available players have choices and teams with good farm systems aren’t limited to just free agents. Thinks ever free agent is just dying to come here. Hey Benjie Molina took 1.5 M less to stay in SF two years ago and Zito turned Minaya down too. Sometimes the best deals are…………….
Anyway he rarely names names of who he would want until after they sign; that way he can complain if we do or complain if we don’t.
Chronic whinner and second guesser.
I know Agee. We get called 2nd guessers for complaining about the fact that the team we root for has done a horrendous job producing talent for 25 years but 2nd guessing every move Alderson makes after the fact is OK. He was on with Mike Francesa after Aldersons interview and Mike asked him who did you want and he said Lidge and Qualls. Mike tried telling him you can’t get a good starter for less than 10-12 million but I’m sure that fell on deaf ears. He talks about being about winning and then wishes his team to be a disaster to prove his point about the GM. Unreal.
Fonzie, you’re fairly new here, so let me give you more insight into this lying, second guessing lunatic. Last off season, I was begging for Qualls like I was his agent and that nut job killed me for it. Couldn’t mention his name without that yucklehead going on and on about saber signings and how he was a terrible pitcher. Now someone else signes him, so Sandy is a terrible GM.
Last season, when Sandy signed Cap and Young, Mr. Played the Game rallied on and on about reclamation projects. Now he wants Lidge. Are we seeing a pattern?
It’s not about winning or improving the organization. It’s about killing every move Sandy makes and lauding every move every other GM makes because Sandy didn’t make it. It’s been happening here for 15 months and it’s not fooling anyone.
I know Extreem. I’m new to the comments but I’ve been reading MMO and it’s articles for the better part of 5 years. I saw all his comments in the shoutbox how he hate sabermetrics and Sandy an yada,yada,yada.He hates anything to do with sabermetrics and jumps down anyones throat who posts something related to sabermetrics,OB%,etc…
He’ll root against the Mets just to make his point. He’s hoping any Sandy move fails,especially Wheeler and last years draft picks.Very few make me scratch my head more than he does and the other ones that do also reside at MMO. There’s some real delusional folks over here.
“And the guy comes up with GREAT scenarios that somehow this very amusing almighty Genius that is NOT to be questioned missed out on. And like a blogger said:
“but he perpetuated the philosophy of going after signable players rather than the best player available and then putting a full court press on getting them signed””
and even more bunk about you using this quote:
the first time you used it several weeks ago, you tried to pass it off as a quote from a reporter in the San Diego sports media. Your lie got called out immediately and you never corrected it.
now, you’re trying to pass it off as a blog and lying about what it refers to. And lets not forget the condescending things you’ve said about blogs and bloggers.
I bet if you didn’t get called out, you’d try passing it off as a Padres or MLB insider.
I like his tweets. (that sounds dirty, but it isn’t, i swear!)
No, i do not agree with everything he has done. Given the constraints he’s in, yes, I think he’s done a better than average job and I refuse to make judgement on him until after this season. But I certainly am not going to slap the man up on a cross because we can start looking in hindsight about some moves that did/didn’t work out.
This.
Season hasn’t even started yet.
I’m sure most intelligent Met fans are reserving judgement.
Actually I can’t even say a “better than average job” yet and I will wait until after 2013. I have no idea what constraints there actually are and how bad the Mets brand was damaged when he got here. Only “facts” that we know is that he has been mandated to slash payroll and he has been allowed to spend on the draft. I am sure over the course of time, just like with Omar more facts will come out.
Wait, AFTER 2013??? so, 3 years to see where he stands as a gm?? wow.. just wow..
Yeah, only because it appears as that is what the Mets are looking for so I would imagine that sometime during or right after 2013 we will know if the plan has worked. We know all the stock is being placed on those stud pitchers, what is the plan to support them and will they then be ready to spend money to fill the weaknesses.
You can’t be serious with that, or I guess with the history of your comments you are. YOU and your school girl clique turn every thread into the Sandy Hate thread, EVERY ONE…..you are the one that makes it about the GM.
Sandy’s latest tweet:
Wife was not happy with the gift card. Should’ve bought her a box of chocolates.
Whoo, nothing like poking the bear Sandy. I read them to my wife last night and she felt they were in bad taste. To me I feel he is making light of an unfortunate circumstance and adding humor to demonstrate that it may not be as bad as most of us think and they will get out of this.
Sorry Mrs. Salty…..I’m with your hubby on this one.
Is your wife a Mets fan? Maybe taken out of context and not being a ‘long suffering’ Met fan, I could see how she could come to that opinion.
She’s only a Mets fan because of me… And deep down I think she is happy they are bad just to get the last couple summers off of me being a nut and talking about them non-stop. Also the TRDM dugout helps so I can get the immediate stuff off my chest and not involve her. Between UCONN’s run last year and the Giants this year, her soul is worn out.
I can certainly sympathize…..
Yeah, Bobby V used to do the same thing and it went over well for a time.
Hey, Bobby V had the best 24 man roster in baseball.
Ya, winning heals all. If in 2 or 3 years, the Mets are a 90+ win team, this will all be looked back on with a smile.
While i don’t get is how true fans of this team can be happy with the situation the team is in and the GM of the team, the guy who is in charge of putting a winning team on the field is showing he does not give a **** about the team or the fans?? i mean, the first 2 tweets were funny, but he’s strewtching it by a mile now.. mocking the fans..
Who is happy with the situation? Seriosuly, who?
Maybe he is just mocking you.
Nah, I think he is poking Mr. Laughing Stock, thinking if I cause an psychotic episode…
you guys are celebrating his tweets and what he does plus praising him for doing a good job, somehow that’s called being content or happy with this situation, otherwise when we tell the truth about him you wouldn’t jump the gun to defend him.. it’s pathetic how some people keep saying well we haven’t won spending $, guess what, we didn’t spend $ during the late 70′s and we SUCKED too noted FA wasn’t HUGE but it was set up .. it has nothing to do with spending $ it’s more like we haven’t been lucky on FA, draft picks, etc…
Praising him for doing a good job? I have seen one post say he was doing above average and the rest have said they are not ready to judge… Is that a new definition of praising?
1) No one is happy with the present situation. It sucks.
2) We’re just getting a chuckle out of some dark humor. We also have hope that a highly respected man from MLB can fix the current situation and are going to give him a reasonable opportunity to do so.
3) When you are “unlucky” time and time again in pretty much every apsect of running a baseball organization, such as the Mets have been, at what point do you just admit that you’re not “unlucky”, you’re just doing things wrong?
while i don’t get is, people especially on this site are saying we should imitate teams like the angels, braves, tampa bay, oakland.. if my math is correct, those teams combined since 1986 have won exactly 3 WS…
Oakland in 1989
Braves in 1995
Angels in 2002
Well, that is 3 more than the Mets. Also, all but 1 of those are teams presently run very well and are all in contention now and for the foreseeable future. In fact, the Angels are my pick to the win the World Series (which pretty much cements them to a sub .500 season).
Actually you can throw the Phillies into that mold as well Alex but I am guessing you don’t see how.
I’d throw the Rangers in there as well. Daniels has done a great job.
True but they are following a much less traditional route for sure.
Daniels has done a GREAT job. that’s the guy I wanted. Ownership has really helped too as they’ve sunk tons of cash into the draft and IFA to back their current success with a continuing stream of prospects.
That Tex trade really was a Godsend. Andrus, Feliz, Salty and Hamilton. Four big parts of the team and they hit on 3.
Huge in the IFA market too Leony’s Martin and the two best 16 year old OFer’s this year plus Darvish and they nabbed Lee from Seattle right out from under the NYY’s nose, depriving the of another World Series Championship and probably another couple since no one they really want ever seems to want to leave that Organization.
I actually thought Daniels was going to come here. He grew up a Met fan. I think if Texas wins the WS in 2010 he may have taken the challenge of rebuilding this disaster. Terry Ryan was another guy but he turned down the interview. I would’ve been happy with either Josh Byrnes or Alderson but imo Byrnes would’ve been a better choice only because of age.
I think Alderson brings gravitas and experience that Daniels and Byrnes haven’t built up yet. The current GM not only has to be a GM for a troubled franchise, he has to be able to tell other meddlers to shove off. Ryan might have been able to do it, but he would have faced all the stupid arguments Alderson does about age and such. Also, all of them would ahve had to deal with the accusations of “small market mentality”.
That’s fair! Although I do think a guy like Daniels would have no problems handling those issues. He’s a bright kid and from NY so I think he’d know how to deal with all of that. Hypothetically speaking of course.
Also, I bet I could count on my 3rd hand how many people are advocating us be like Oakland.
“Lots of varying opinions on Alderson’s foray into Twitter. Some are getting a kick out of it, some fans feel as though he’s mocking them, and others simply don’t care.
Where do you stand?”
My stance is I am enjoying more some of the reactions to his tweets than the tweets themselves. If I had to pick I’d say the funniest tweet for me was the 3rd one about the 4 tires.
Right now the reactions to the tweets are along the lines one would guess. I would guess most that are disgruntled with the GM and his job so far a high percentage would also probably not be happy about these tweets same thing the other way around. Those that are not disgruntled or add to that undecided with the GM and his job so far I would guess a high percentage would also probably be happy or indifferent about these tweets.
I’m not sure how many people are saying we should imitate Oakland but when you compare getting to the post season which is the most difficult part of the job I can see where people might wonder what those teams are doing and why it’s been more successful than what we’ve been doing.
Tampa – 3 post seasons in 4 years.
Oakland – 5 consecutive AL West Pennants.
LAA – 6 post seasons in 10 years.
Atlanta – 15 post seasons in 21 years.
Mets – 3 post seasons in 21 years, 12 losing seasons and 6 90+ ones at that.
So, I’ve already got Francesa up on my PC, and he’s still babbling about the new app. Do radio shows actually do this? Pimp their iPhone apps?
Well this is weird….
http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120210/SPORTS/302110001
I think this is something a lot of teams are dealing with. I read the typical minor league affiliate deal lasts either 2 or 4 years, so everyother year, there is some affiliate musical chairs.
I’m very disappointed to find alderson isn’t tweeting from the road and in in fact flying down. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Off Topic:
Adam Rubin
Mets 2011 bobbleheads: Seaver (April 22), Staub (May 26), Hernandez (June 17), Alfonzo (July 21) and Piazza (August 25).
http://twitter.com/#!/AdamRubinESPN/statuses/169515760241213442
Alfonzo sweet!!!!
I know the idea with this is to sell tickets but wish I could just buy one.
Gee, i wonder what day Rusty Jr.is planning to go?
And don’t worry SRT, there will be some on Ebay before the game is over if you really want one!
I thought about Ebay too.
Just finished listening.
Very interesting.
For those who didn’t tune in, Francesa ended with ‘thanks for your honesty’.
What I found the most interesting was MF asking him was this what he expected when he came here – (mainly referencing the money problems).
Making it clear he said up front they weren’t going to be maintaining a $145 MIL payroll every year he said along the lines of:
‘Little different than I expected but that’s life. Look, I didn’t come here to run the As. Don’t expect this to situation to last. Expect it to revive in short order. Fortunate we had a couple of players to emerge to fill in holes in the interim’.
Long term goal is a contending team with payroll making sense with ratio of players – not so much 3/4s tied into a few players.
The more I hear negative stuff about Alderson,the more I’m starting to think he’s the right guy. I’ve been on the fence but after listening to the crazies on this site,he must be the right guy.
actually, not a bad theory. Just like in politics. if you want to get an idea of what a guy is all about, just look at the people that come out and attack him.
And yes, to a large extent Sandy is taking the bullets for the owners/team. But, that is his job, and sure as hell he knew it was part of the deal when he signed on. So I doubt it bothers him that some folks are hanging him in virtual effigy.
on a broader note, I still say that a big part of his role was to straighten out (streamline, professionalize, standardize, philosophize, etc.) the entire organization. That is, instill an organizational culture and way of doing things (from player procurement, to development, etc.). And build in a professional way of operating (organzation and financial). basically run the Mets like a team should be, and get the owners out of the kitchen.
Channeling agee here, but a team like the Braves that year after year is competitive to very good, and that just keeps pumping out talent (all on a mid-level payroll) has to be doing something right.
Good points Fonzie and Any. I’m quite sure the financial goal posts have been moved quite a number of times and he’s clearly taking the hits for ownership.
Twenty years ago Gene Michael was taking them for Steinbrennner and people were fond of saying that George wouldn’t spend any money because he wouldn’t get any of the glory if they won.
NYY went through some hard times but do you hear them complaining now? 15 playoffs in 16 years with 5 World championships and no, it didn’t happen overnight. Took 5 or 6 years and extended their playoffless streak to 14 consecutive years.
Guaranteed it doesn’t take us anywhere near that length of time.
I wish I could say I cared, but if they win or lose his tweets wont be the reason. I dont like to be talked down to either but I think he’s trying too hard to make the point that asa fan base we need to chil and not feel that our happines in life depends on this team.
Back to Alderson though he really has to WIN SOMETHING before he acts like he’s arrived. Uncle Bud fed his ego too much.
I’d love to see what Alderson’s haters would do if this team won 80+ games. I really would.
I’ve never seen a fan base care so much about hating a front office member to the point they actually appear to root against any player he brings to the team just so they can say “I told you so.”
I root for Minaya to succeed. I root for Alderson to succeed. It’s in my best interest for this plan to work out, so I’m not going to cross my arms and pout until I get my way.
I’ve waited basically my whole life for a Mets championship, the worst Alderson can do is the same as everybody else ever did.
It’s not the fan base–it is a tiny minority of already tiny minority of fans who even comment on blogs.
Bayonne represents a tiny, microscopic, irrelevant sliver of 1% of the overall fan base.
And I might be overstating his importance here.
I think the majority of the fanbase understands the reallity of it all and will be patient enough for the front office to build the farm system up as he infuses the guys making their way up over the next year or two.
My only complaint with Alderson is he didn’t come in and clean house. I thought he’d come in and gut the nucleous of the team and build the team around Ike and the young pitchers as they come up. I felt this was a long term project from the get go so it makes no sense to bash a GM with a little more than a year on the job.I’ll live that to the deranged.
yeah and i would love to see what all the sandy suckers will say when we lose a hundred games and are in last place for the next 5 years
Wow, that is a hell of a thing to root for.
Like i said all along, i think sandy and the mets brass are sick in the head if they think the mets have a chance. The players on the roster now really, really sandy what world are u in son. This is not the late 80′s of the oakland as. This is now, the pitching is lucky to win 70 games this year. Where are your arms, we had a chance to sign jon garland to a deal and again the stupid mets blow it. A great guy u eats up innings and has great control, but no again sandy and the mets let this arm slip away. I said please ger rid of the owners and sandy and let someone who really cares get it about this city, this team and the fans. How stupid are u really sandy and the mets brass. It breaks my heart as a loyal fan of this team since i’ve been 4 years old, it just kills me again how the mets brass continue to put bad product on the field. Maybe if the mets brass buys a wii or play station maybe by trades on that, that the mets will win. you think, maybe we can be real guys. Hello, hello.
My quick two cents on all this Sandy Twittering….
First off the tounge in cheek tweets sounds to me a lot more like a goof on the whole concept of tweeting itself not so much directed at the fans and media…
Lets face it Twitter is really nothing more than someone’s attempt at 15 minutes of fame!
Do you really think anyone cares about the mundane day to day activites most people tweet about?
Sandy I think is making as much fun of that as anything else!
Tweeting actually makes sense for someone like him who has good reason to reach out to the public. But for the majority of people it is a self indulgent purpose that makes those who feel insignificant, significant!
These tweets sound very much like a goof on all the twittering going on in this country!
And he is showing his disdain by making rather useless tweets to make that point!
He doesn’t consider it a SERIOUS medium and is tweeting to illustrate that!
I think the Tweeting was Alderson’s ill-advised attempt to change the perception of him as stuffed suit. Personally, I think he made the problem worse trying to be something he isn’t. I find the content of he’s tweets rather self-indulgent and unprofessional.
I came across this piece last night, i figure i’d share it, and on a quick thought, i think this is good news because now the media is actually getting more involved which may force selig’s hand at the end.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-commissioner-bud-selig-giving-new-york-mets-time-to-fix-problems-but-may-have-to-step-in-eventually-021412
Interesting, but unlikely that it will make any difference (really not anything that hasn’t been published before).
As to Selig getting involved, there isn’t that much he really can do. This piece really is important:
“No, Wilpon is the game’s second-longest tenured owner, a loyal soldier to Selig, a well-respected proprietor who reinvested in his team, albeit poorly in many instances.
“He’s been a great owner, loves his team,” Selig said recently. “He’s everything you’d want in a local owner. He’s had some economic problems not caused by himself, and I have a lot of faith in him that he’s working his way through that.”
That counts for a ton. And they really are looking at the madoff stuff as outside influences.
But, as long as they can make the bills (get financiing), and are taking steps to stay solvent (selling shares), not only can’t Selig do anything, he shouldn’t.
hell, the team still has a 90mill payroll. More than the majority of teams. So that isn’t a reason to do anything.
And guaranteed if he came in and tried to take the team away, MLB would be getting sued by the end of the day. And probably lose.
Now, if the Wilpons/Sterling lose a bunch to Picard and can’t make payroll at the end of the year? Then something can happen. But, as long as they are keeping afloat, they have every right to keep the team.
Any, but if they keep “losing” money as they did this year, then slash the payroll again which it’ll be likely in a big market like NY you don’t think selig’s hand will be force? MLB might step in and say no, we can’t no longer turn a blind eye, out of the $200 million they’re getting will be used on pure debts they got, they owe everyone pretty much, who knows how long that trial will last or how will it settle. they’ve been lucky that selig has been the one in charge instead of someone else, because they’re getting a pass based on the relationship they got with him, otherwise i think they’d be more pressure to solve the issue or sell the team. this is a large market city, we cannot operate like a small market team, slashing $50 million this year, most likely $40 more next year.. that’s soemthing that can no longer be overview and that’s what rosenthal is basically saying..
there is no minimum payroll requirement. he can’t make any owner spend a certain amount (outside of the issue with the marlins a couple years ago, but that had to do with spending less than they were getting in revenue sharing).
of course there is “pressure” to resolve the financial issues. that has been ongoing. Hell, it got you Sandy.
but again, MLB has to be really careful trying to go in and pull frnachises. Slippery slope. If you do this every time an owner has a ST financial or cash flow problem, it wil never end (and of course, the owners would never allow it).
And don’t discount the old boy network aspect.
I’ll bet Selig is banking on this upcoming season as either a nice turn around in revenues giving the Wilpons some breathing room with the trial ending sooner rather than later, or a total disaster thereby forcing his hand.
Sadly, I think reality might be nothing much changes with the situation – more or less stays status quo as attendance stays around the same (or dips a bit) and the trial drags on into next year. All the while the fan base getting more and more disillusioned and vocal. All of which might force Selig’s hand before he wanted to play it. Or as Rosenthal said: ‘…the best interests of the game must come first.’
“Rakoff threw out most of Picard’s claims, leaving him to seek about $386 million. For Picard to claim more than about $83 million, he must prove that Wilpon and Katz were “willfully blind” to Madoff’s wrongdoing — something that the owners deny.
The trial is scheduled to begin March 19. Even a lesser judgment against Wilpon and Katz might not amount to $83 million, if the owners collect some or all of the $160 million they say they are due from the Madoff estate.”
So, in some warped way, the ‘pons can come out $80 million ahead? Holy crap.
You know, I was wondering if I read that right. That was my take as well. Ironic right? Especially after all we’ve been reading for 2 years and Picard trying his best to portray them as crooks.
If that’s true and the Wilpons are awarded money, I’d like to see them donate some to Madoff’s victims. Good PR move.
That’s a good idea.
Not that it will happen..
If they do get money back it will most likely be the money that was lost from the pension funds!
And if I’m not mistaken the filing to the Supreme court was also very much about getting back from those employee retirement accounts
When Fred had his back up against the wall, there wasn’t a long line of folks looking to take his place, including Madoff victims and the public at large. So if Fred is the beneficiary of an originally unexpected award, I think it’s his money to keep. No volunteers are needed.
I think Metsie is right, most of that will go back to the employee programs that lost money in the Madoff scandal.
If he does give some to the victims’ fund, I’d also love for Fred to be looking at Picard as he cut the check and say, “see, all you had to do was ask nicely.”
Give me a break , who really cares what he tweets. I’ve never seen a group of fans give up as quickly as Met fans. Either root for the team or don’t but stop whining.
Would this guy just go already???? He’s like a bad cold.
29 teams have a GM and we have a frustrated comedian. I wonder how many fans will still engoy his tweets as we pass the 80, 90 and 100 loss mark this season?