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2012
New York Metropolitans Preview: Potential! Potential?
An article by Former Writers
I sat down in front of my laptop excited and ready to start this article, because for me personally this is the equivalent of Pitchers and Catchers. And yes I purposely anointed that wonderful title a proper noun.
For all those who still own an actual calendar whip out those sharpies and mark off February 19, for that will be the actual day General Big Pelf and co. will once again join forces with those creaky knee’d catchers. Shadily the Mariners and A’s already started on the 12th and if it weren’t for King Felix I would say for good reason. Regardless, Guinness and Cooler Ranch Doritos in tow I mentally prepared myself to somewhat objectively put together a little analysis of our New York Metropolitans. The blank word document was my canvas but as I unfolded my notes the first line stuck out almost mocking me, “What will come from the potential”. Good question Matt from 48 hours ago but don’t you think that is a bit presumptuous? That statement assumes there is actually potential for a beautiful flower of a season to blossom in the first place. So are we looking at some moist, nutrient laced potting soil right now or is it sandy and barren?
C – Josh Thole, Mike Nickeas – I have heard people question whether or not Thole will take the reins with Paulino out of the picture. The fact of the matter is Josh is a .275 hitter at best with no power who led the league in passed balls. Yes, Mr. Thole had the unfortunate task of dealing with Dickey’s ever elusive knuckle ball but the ceiling is far too low in my opinion and Nickeas is not a particularly good vice president of home plate.
1B – Ike Davis – We like Ike that is for sure. Davis was on his way to a 30 bomb season with a sexy .300 average before a freak accident led to serious bone bruising and ligament damage in his ankle that prematurely ended his sophomore campaign. Word on the street is he is good to go but these eyes are far to jaded to assume that all will be well once again, especially considering the track record of the Met’s medical staff. Ike is far too smooth not to love him and at this point there is nothing to do but hold your breath and keep your fingers crossed
2B – Daniel Murphy – Murph Dog is another young stud who hung up the cleats far too early in the middle of a breakout season. He has done a decent job hiding his defensive deficiencies when you factor out those dark days in left field. I do believe that Murphy can keep a hot bat and only be charged with a low level manslaughter for his defensive prowess. On the other hand we are stuck twiddling our thumbs and convincing ourselves that the torn MCL is old news.
SS – Ruben Tejada – The numbers aren’t flashy but realistically Ruben Tejada is a perfect candidate to take over for Jose. The kid finally hit stride, hitting a very solid .306 after the all star break. Unfortunately that was a somewhat shallow average as he has minimal power and speed. The believe that Ruben will offer half a decade or more of solid all around ball.
3B – David Wright – D-Wright, every girl’s dream husband, is one of the few remaining pieces left over from the Shea Stadium days. He is an absolute stud who should be 100% once again following the stress fracture in his back, and hopefully the thought of catching a fastball to the temple continues to fade away. The fact of the matter is, Wright had his worst year at the plate last season. Maybe it is simply difficult to fearlessly give it all on the diamond when your brain is telling you it will probably all be for naught. Who knows, but the skill set is still there and I can smell a bounce back campaign. On a somewhat related note, I always found solace in the idea that D-Wright and Jose would be in the picture for years to come but clearly nothing is set in stone nowadays and although it can’t hurt to be optimistic perhaps we should be taking full advantage of what might be Wright’s dwindling time with the Mets.
Utility Infielder – Justin Turner – The numbers might not be flashy but for those of us who witnessed Turner fill in the holes last season, it is obvious that he is a very capable utility infielder. Unfortunately the Rockies are trying to get their grubby little paws on our favorite ginger so if the Metsies start off cold Turner might be shipped out before we can properly say goodbye.
LF – Jason Bay – This is one of those rare instances where I simply don’t have much to say. It seemed obvious that Jay BayBay would not be a good fit in New York from day one based on his power stroke but he was handed that cushy contract and we have been forced to witness his fall from grace ever since. The guy tries hard so it is difficult to really hate him but the Queen’s water seemed to turn a solid gamer into an injury prone bum who hasn’t gotten solid contact in years. The damage is done and at this point there is nothing left to do but offer Jobu some rum and cigars and ask him to take fear from Bay’s bat.
CF – Andres Torres – I know Pagan struggled a bit last season but it hurts to see him go. His replacement, Andres Torres, certainly has the skill set to bounce back from his disappointing season but I would feel a lot more comfortable with Angel manning centerfield. I actually liked the trade because Ramon Ramirez is an absolute stud but we’ll get into that later. CBS Sport’s John Heyman says that our boy Torres is a fifth outfielder. That is pretty damn insulting but he has nice wheels, a decent glove, and should have an easier time at the plate so I’d say it is just the media bashing the Metropolitans while they are down. Is Torres an ideal leadoff hitter? No. However I prefer a guy with some speed leading off as opposed to the next option, Murphy.
RF – Lucas Duda – The Dude is for real and I must say he might be my favorite Met at the moment. Lucas was shut down last season after mashing his dome into the wall while tracking a fly ball but post-concussion symptoms ceased in October so all systems are a go heading into 2012. Well it is certainly a beautiful thing to check Duda out on paper. The kid has a great eye at the plate, decent power, and a solid glove, so as long as he busts his ass the sky is the limit. The lefty stroke could lead to 20+ bombs in 2012 but the real gem is in that sexy .370 OBP from last season. He should hit fifth and offer Ike a decent amount of protection so hopefully he can stay healthy and pimp it once again.
4th Outfielder – Scott Hairston – Scotty looks like an absolute physical specimen, but plays like an unqualified bum if you ask me. Granted he is generally going to be sitting on the bench and has a touch of pop from the right side if need be, but I just don’t love the guy.
Pitching Staff:
- Johan Santana
- Mike Pelfrey
- Jonathan Niese
- R. A. Dickey
- Dillon Gee
- Chris Schwinden
There are a lot of unknown variables floating around with this motley crew. When people discuss the number of starts we should expect out of Johan, the over-under is somewhat optimistically set at 25. Personally I think 15-20 solid appearances would be absolutely wonderful but even if he is able to stay healthy who knows how effective YoYo will be. There is nothing to do but wait and see because although Santana is one of the best pitchers of the 21st century he said it himself that nobody knows how the surgically-repaired shoulder will respond to increased activity. You gotta love Big Pelf but he is often painful to watch. There has been a lot of buzz recently that his sinker is making a comeback and although it is exciting news I will believe it when I see it. Niese, Dickey, and Gee are just great competitors with diverse skill sets. Any squad would be happy with these studs anchoring the bottom of the rotation but the Mets have placed them a bit higher on the totem pole since Pelfrey is really just a glorified Number 1-2 on paper. Dickey is the most interesting man in the world, Gee broke out in a big way last year with a solid rookie season, and Niese has the ability to keep you in every game even if his stuff isn’t quite there. Realistically I hope one of the three puts up an ERA below 4 and I highly doubt that any of them will fall apart and possess an inflated ERA above 4.5. I refuse to discuss Schwinden. Hopefully Santana doesn’t face any speed bumps and we won’t be forced to watch Schwinden labor through 5 innings.
Bullpen
- Frank Francisco (closer)
- Jon Rauch
- Ramon Ramirez
- Bobby Parnell
- Tim Byrdak
- Manny Acosta
- DJ Carrasco
- Pedro Beato
Well hellooo Francisco and Rauch. Frankie is a proven closer who should be able to handle the job with no problem. He is certainly not one of the most feared 9th inning guys and only finished out 17 of 21 last season but we should feel somewhat safe with the ball in his hands. Rauch is a behemoth of a man who is fully recovered from right knee surgery and has much to prove during his one year contract with the Mets. He has experience closing games and certainly brings a bit of toughness to the gang since he is nearly 7 feet tall and is covered in tattoos. Personally I think Ramon Ramirez should be the 8th inning guy since he has posted a sub 3 ERA in four straight seasons and even won a championship with San Francisco. The guy is a very solid reliever and makes saying goodbye to Pagan more bearable. Parnell is supposedly the closer of the future but I think his fastball looks a bit flat. On the other hand, Bobby strikes out over a batter an inning and could take the next step forward if he cuts back on his walks. Now that I think about it Byrdak, Acosta, and Carrasco are all on the wrong side of 30 and it would certainly be nice to see a young stud like Parnell step it up. Speaking of young studs I really like Pedro Beato. He dealt with a bit of a dead arm last season but he posted solid numbers for his first year in the big show. As an aside, there were rumblings that Collins would eventually like to give him a shot as a starter down the line. So to make a long story short it looks like the bullpen is really just one tier of mediocre/decent relievers but if the stars align this group could prove to be quite reliable.
And the final verdict is?
Well upon further review there is certainly potential in the cards we have been dealt, but it doesn’t look like enough to really make a splash in the NL East. Unfortunately Atlanta and Washington are stacked with young studs and although Philadelphia maybe has only one or two more years before they begin to deteriorate, Florida is back in the picture as we all know. So what does that mean for us? Well you can choose to boycott them this season and wait for everyone to get fired and/or traded but then you look like a baby. Look we love the Mets because we love baseball. The fact of the matter is this lack of hope means two things, cheap tickets and a greater chance of catching a foul ball. Fans will disappear, but Citi Field will always be a great place to waste 3 hours with your friends. You can’t beat the Blue Smoke/Shake Shack combo and once the Mets permanently move into last place in the NL East you can realistically expect to get field level seats for less than 10 bucks. Yes it is depressing to think that way, but I am just being honest. Also, imagine how sweet it will be when they finally pull it together and once again reestablish themselves as kings of the division. I hate the Yankees so much and their fans are spoiled brats who expect nothing but first place and cry fluke when that doesn’t happen. At this point Mets fans are left with nothing to do but embrace the fact that in recent years this squad has been the most painful team to root for. However that means when the dust finally settles and the Metropolitans are once again contenders, the true fans will be the ones left standing and it will be the best of times.
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I think perhaps the point most people miss when talking about the Starting rotation is:
Who is going to start in those games everyone expects Santana to miss?
Who is that 6th Starter to call on when someone (anyone gets hurt?)
Who is going to be the starter if lets say Santana has a set back and can’t start the season?
Going to Rush Harvey or Familia?
Even if we get 20-25 games out of Santana does anyone really think that the other 4 are not going to miss a single game?
We are all so sure Francisco will be our Closer and rauch and Ramirez will do well out of the pen but WHO is our Long reliever?
Carrasco?
LMAO, this article is amusing as hell, i mean:
“general pelfrey?”
“Murph Dog is another young stud”
“D-Wright, every girl’s dream husband, is one of the few remaining pieces left over from the Shea Stadium days. He is an absolute stud”
“Ramon Ramirez is an absolute stud ”
“Any squad would be happy with these studs anchoring the bottom of the rotation”
“Frankie is a proven closer”
“young stud like Parnell ”
Lol, very entertaining article to say the least, but to be honest, the CORE appreciate your enthusiasm.. Let’s go METS!!!!!!
p.s: stop using stud on every paragraph, lol, shows you were a little nervous writing this article forgot the use of another word… Welcome to MMO though..
Hah I appreciate the critique..I tried to loosen up and let this one flow a bit more naturally but apparently “stud” is ingrained in my brain (as an FYI, I am pretty sure bum is my official title for the anti-stud so get ready to be hit with a barrage of bums after the Metsies slowly chip away at my glass-half full stance).
Anywayy, pleasure to be here boys and gals.
hahahaha, Fair enough, good job though, the CORE is here as long as you’re optimism becomes reality..
http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/34848209?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001
Sandy, we can move murphy to 3B, Tejada at 2B and hanley at SS… Find out about this..
And then we can put Milton Bradley in Right Field and John Rocker in the pen.
Hi Donal,
Bradley and Rocker within shouting distance of each other. Hey, that would be worth the cost of admission even with dynamic pricing being at the high end. But then the combination of the two might be dangerous enough to cause that mushroom cloud over Citi.
Are you another one of those sell proclaimed Baseball experts?
You’d rather have a guy that played 25 games at 3rd Base over a guy that has played his entire career there, just so you can sign a known Clubhouse Cancer and guy that quit on his team, just so that they can get rid of Wright?
WOW and you call yourself a “true” fan……………
That is funny stuff
So wait, hanley is a clubhouse cancer based on what?? people are claiming wright need a change of scenery right? so instead of getting prospect who might not amount to sh** why not get a proven guy who can carry this team and maybe with a chip on his shoulder he can carry this team to a potential playoffs contention, something that with wright at the helm WILL NOT HAPPEN…
this middle of the lineup is BETTER with hanley ramirez in it than with wright, who still got a legion of fans coming up with excuses as to why he is struggling..
Hanley
Davis
Duda
Bay
“So wait, hanley is a clubhouse cancer based on what??”
Reality. Documented events. Well known facts. A deserved reputation. Where do you want to start?
“not get a proven guy who can carry this team”
What has he proven? Where has he carried the Marlins?
Also, Hanley Ramirez has a contract of similar annual salary to Wright guaranteed for the next 3 years. Wright has a team option at the end of 2012.
That deal makes 0 sense for the Mets.
Again, for you it doesn’t.. if the team wants to win then it makes sense, but since now adays the last thing on the fans mind is to win the no, it doesn’t make sense.. and it’s funny how you always talking about not having won anything with reyes and wright, but when the conversation shifts to wright not winning anything you try to create some sort of diversion.. again, change of scenery for both, hanley is a clubhouse cancer, ok, that’s YOUR opinion, i haven’t heard marlins players come out and say this guy need to be out of here or anything like that, again, media perceive it that way, also, with a goody goody like mr wright what have we won??? wasn’t reyes a model citizen and got rejected by the owners? same with beltran? good attitude takes you so far, 1986 mets were a bunch of aholes badass*es.. sure you weren’t around to know any of that though..
“Again, for you it doesn’t”
Because I have this weird fascination with using facts to draw conclusions.
“if the team wants to win then it makes sense”
Why? what have the Marlins won with him? How does he make the starting pitching better? How does he fix Jason Bay’s problem?
“and it’s funny how you always talking about not having won anything with reyes and wright,”
And what exactly do I say? Hmmm? Do I blame Reyes and Wright? Or do I say it is a shame we wasted their production with lousy supporting players?
“hanley is a clubhouse cancer, ok, that’s YOUR opinion, i haven’t heard marlins players come out and say this guy need to be out of here or anything like that,”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5197935
all of this started when he dogged on a ball he booted. Go ahead an bend over backwards to justify it. And it isn’t the only example, just the biggest. He tried to throw teammates under the bus. If he weren’t Loria’s pet, he’d have been shipped out long ago.
“good attitude takes you so far, 1986 mets were a bunch of aholes badass*es.. sure you weren’t around to know any of that though..”
You’re sure of a lot of things that are painfully false. Do you ever get sick of being so wrong so often?
Does anything in your brain ever go “maybe yo should keep quiet until you have some facts straight”? Something like “you don’t have to react to this right now. go make sure the person you’re trying to rail at isn’t 100% correct so you don’t look like a raving lunatic”?
doesn’t wright dog it everytime he grounds out??? he basically walks to first base and nobody say sh**… stop it ok… again, i rather have him in the lineup than have david wright strike out in big spots after big spots and make horrendous throws to first base.. say what you want about clubhouse unity, this team has have too many goody goody players and have exactly won NOTHING!!!!
So, you accuse Wright of dogging it to support your untenable position, then say the team has too many goodie goodies who don’t win, so you think they should bring in a selfish, lazy, self centered club house cancer who doesn’t win and also doesn’t address their actual problems who also happens to be owed $46 million over the next 3 years.
sure, makes total sense.
Then, they can swap Lucas Duda for Vernon Wells and Mike Pelfrey for AJ Burnette straight up.
Then we could hire Albert Belle as the hitting coach.
And Ramirez is a worse fielder than Wright and you want him at short stop.
yep and resign byrdak, bring back carrasco, trade krod for nothing, resign hairston again… ohhh wait…..
Find me which guy on the current roster has gotten into fights with his team mates and disrespected his manager to the media. Which one is owed $46 million over the next 3 years?
It’s the choice of the Core. Obvious isn’t it?
It’s not my choice, so please stop grouping people. I cant stand Ramirez. You guys that complain about being grouped, are the worst offenders.
Think back to another Ramirez who dogged it so much that it came to the point he purposely dogged running out ground balls to force a trade out of Boston. His play didn’t sit well with his teammates and by that time they couldn’t want for him to leave.
But also think of how often one dogging it costs wins for the club.
That’s why I think there is the potential explosion in Miami with Ramirez having to give up his shortstop position to Reyes. He’s not going to take it lying down… or maybe that’s exactly what he’ll be doing. As long as it doesn’t affect play on the field all the other nonsense will be tolerated but when it extends to between the foul lines, that’s a powder keg waiting to explode unless the star is either benched or sent packing.
You reminded me of one of the most special days of 2011 for me and my family with this post. Both me and my husband were having tough weeks at work in late August and we wanted to do something special on Friday night being that our son would be away all weekend on his senior trip. I decided to go online to see if we could get tickets to the Mets game and was shocked to see there were tickets available for $6.00 each. I grabbed two of them and when Friday came we got ready to see the Mets take on the Braves. The face value of the tickets were $27.50 each so we were happy that we would have good seats and also save a lot of money. Thant was the night Chris Capuano pitched an unbelievable shutout of the Braves. The feeling was electric throughout Citi Field that night and most of the 19,000 that showed up were dialed in. It felt like a packed house but it was less than half full. We saw one of the best pitched games ever by a Met in 20 years. We had great food and drink and for less than $60 we had a memorable day I will never forget.
And this is why I watch all Met games until the last out – even if they’re losing badly.
You just never know what you might miss if you’re not tuned in.
Agreed. Lisa, you sure were lucky to see a humdinger like that in person, that’s always fun. Definitely the highlight of all of last year. I hope Cappy doesn’t do that to us this year while wearing Bum Blue.
Wait….how did I muss that Tejada has two arthritic knees?
I’m going with the under on your Johan prediction of 25 starts. Would love to be wrong on that.
Agree about the SP thin depth.
Giving the SA WFAN interview yesterday I expect them to be looking for a LF bat and SP depth right before ST ends (if still the need and nothing emerges from within). This based on new CBA rule SA cited:
A player who has been in the league for six seasons and signed minor league contracts this off-season must be given a spot on the 25-man roster five days before the start of the regular season. Otherwise, they must be given a $100,000 bonus to be sent to the minor leagues and the right to opt out of those contracts by June 1.
Boycott the Mets? Not me. For various reasons I probably won’t make it to any games but I’ll be watching all 162 on air.
*miss
Good stuff, Matty. Bring some optimism.
Can Jeremy Lin play center-field?
Where on earth did this writer hear that Tejada has arthritis in his knees? Since when does Lucas Duda have a solid glove? Last but not least,how can you say Wright’s skill sets are still there for sure. He has regressed both offensively and defensively.
I never heard that about Tejada either.
He’s probably confusing Tejada with F-Mart.
I hope so…..I commented about the same above. First I heard of Tejada with arthritis.
My apologies, for some reason I attributed the late F-Mart’s arthritic knees to Ruben..The report on Duda has always been that he is a poor outfielder with little range. I should have said “solid enough” glove since I believe even with his defensive deficiencies Duda will be the reason for a number of wins in 2012. Although no rational human being would wholeheartedly endorse Duda’s glove, Baseball Reference shows that last season he had an average rate of committing errors and although his range will never be impressive, it was a huge improvement from his brief 2010 camaign.
I’ll always admit when I am wrong but how can you be so certain that Wright’s skill set is truly deteriorating? Yes I understand his numbers have declined the past two seasons but isn’t it possible that it can be explained by injuries/simply an off year. He was rocked in the head towards the end of 2009 and after returning his average dropped from .324 to .307 to end the season. I’m just playing devil’s advocate but isn’t it possible that he simply couldn’t regain his swagger during the 2010 campaign because the thought of catching a fastball to the temple again was lingering in the back of his mind? At the same time he had arguably a career year with his glove that season (most double plays, second highest fielding percentage, and by far the highest range factor of his career). Yes he was playing poorly before he suffered a stress fracture in his back last season, and wasn’t much better even after he returned, but 2011 was a mess from day one and I got the impression he was simply trying to do too much (he also boosted his stolen base success rate finally).
So yes he is certainly not on the upswing but I do believe that he will bounce back and offer a few more years of his prime.
Thanks for clearing that up about Tejada’s knees. I thought you had some inside track on a very well kept secret.
I didn’t say his skills have deteriorated but I can’t say his skillsets are still there. He can’t catch up to a good fastball anymore,his strikeouts rate has skyrocketed and his defense has been below average the last 2 seasons. I’m not saying he’s washed up or anything but I’d be totally shocked if he ever played at the level he did from 05-08
. I think you’re also giving him too much credit for his 2010 season.Although his power numbers increased significantly from 2009 he did most of that damage over a 6 week period from late May until the allstar break and then tore it up in September after a weak July and hideous August. He was very inconsistent in 2010. The overall numbers were fine but you would like him to be a little more consistent than he was and a lot less streaky.
pretty thorough article, just about all on point. good stuff!
Where is the real Rey Ordonez, what have you done with him?
Honestly,I don’t believe the Mets will be as bad as everyone says they’ll be. If this team can handle the pressures of the season and have almost everyone be productive(Lineup,rotation,bullpen) then this season shouldn’t be a nightmare. They could surprise some people… But I’m just trying to be an optimist.
Welcome aboard Matty! I look forward to having you on our team this season.
Off Topic: If you haven’t seen it check out the Goatee Gee is rocking. LMAO
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/37983/view-from-st-lucie-gee-whizkers
Blech. That thing is just sad when compared to the righteous winter beard Pridie rocked last year.
It looks like a guinea-pig attached itself to his face.
I wouldn’t be so quick to sell Schwinden short. Not until he gets a real opportunity. Anybody watching Jeremy Lin?
As a diehard Knick fan I can say that I’ve never seen anything like what is going on with Jeremy Lin.What an amazing story.
first Cruz, now Lin. Hopefully it is the Mets turn!!
Yeah maybe Duda becomes that guy for the Mets. He wasn’t a highly touted prospect until he tore up AAA in 2010,so there’s the similarity to Lin.
This is a really good article…one of the best and least-biased pieces I’ve seen on this site in a long time. Kudos, Mr. Strachs…you’re my new favorite MMO “author.”
seriously, wtf happened to rey-rey? check out these sick highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzt9_cmHWVY
strachs, why you hatin on schwindeisel so hard? 3.95 ERA in 26 starts in buffalo last year, and in 4 starts/appearances last year, if you get rid of his first crappy start against the bravos, schwinden had a 3.38 ERA which is pretty damn impressive..
you mentioned Duda’s OBP but not his .295 batting average. Bayonne might flip his sh*t.
Duda slugged over 500 the last 3 months of the season with an OPS over 900. guy was an absolute machine the second half of the season. his outfield defense is brutal –even if he’s not getting charged with errors he misread tons of balls last year and got terrible jumps which let balls fall in. errors don’t tell the whole story, but if he can rake for a full season like he did in the 2nd half, this lineup’s gonna look a whoole lot better…
Should it become necessary for Marvelous Murph to play left, I’ll have nightmares thinking of our corner outfield with him and Duda.
I woudln’t worry about that too much JD…
The most likely scenario is he will be playing 3B sometime in August after Wright is traded away!
Only way I see that not happening is if they find some way to trade Bay instead!
Getting rid of Bay will give them the payroll room they need to keep Wright.
Kirk will probably be called up to play CF if he stays healthy and continues where he left off leaving either a move of Duda to Bay’s position with possibly Torres moving into RF or leaving Duda where he is and having Torres move to LF to replace Bay!
The only other possibility is Ike has a relapse and Murphy goes back to 1st!
d-murph in left will never happen. that experiment was shorter than the todd hundley experiment…which was pretty damn short. murph looked great at 3rd last year when he got the opportunity to play there…we need to trade Wright for some young studs and let murph man the hot corner.
How would one currently go about trading David Wright for “young studs”?
Well, we know nightmares reveal our deepest fears but are usually vague in their actual meanngs so we have to look deep into our emotions – not our logic – to figure out the meaning.
Perhaps I’ve always hated my parents?
Nah.