Or would you prefer I just do that for you in hopes you guys can find some other SEMANTICAL anomoly to exploit to make a point made sound CRAZY when you know full welll what was said is valid just an inconvenient truth that doesn’t fly with the optimistic agenda that seems quite important to some posters mental stability!

The League I was referring to was the “MAJOR” LEAGUE!!!!!!!!

But any port in a storm to say someone is wrong right?
Just like because we didn’t save any money on Beltran ion 2011 it isn’t a Salary dump in 2012 right?

Guess you didn’t make it that far before you had to run and CREAM ON for Sandy!

“Minus those 162 we would have been tied with Seattle at 556 and 30th in the league!”

oh, so Reyes and Beltran’s replacements would have scored 0 runs?

I really just don’t think you ever think before you type. or maybe you really do think, which is sad.

Duda/Beltran from the batters box should be similar. Davis better than Murphy, Murphy better than Turner/Tejada, Wright better than last year, Torres similar to Pagan’s 2011, Bay the same. Thole/Nickeas slightly better than thole/Paulino and Tejada a significant downgrade at SS.

Defense will probably be the Majors bottom 5. Pen a run better, rotation the same.

75 wins is a fair bet depending on who Rey Ramirez gets his hands on.

The simple fact is we’ve had very little talent flow into the system and make it up here in the last 10 years mostly due to Phillps busting on 15 out of 17 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks and giving away 6 more most of them for guys we couldn’t even give away. Add in all the trades from the farm and this is what you wind up.

Consider this, we scored 718 Runs last year and were 12th in the leage in RS!
Minus those 162 we would have been tied with Seattle at 556 and 30th in the league!

If we lose just HALF of those runs we jump to 22nd!

Nah this team isn’t worse than last year……I Must be Insane, Unreasonable or retarded to think that! LOL

Still with all that said call me naive if you wish but I see the potential of what a full season from Davis & Duda can do (Can these 2 be the Mets version of the bash bros?) in this lineup. I can’t help but think Wright will gets back to playing good ball the way many expect him to and Jason Bay for that matter.

Definite concerns with this rotation not much I can say there except that I look to Dickey to keep doing what he’s done and Niese to continue to improve if he’s the real deal. Pelfrey I expect more of the same inconsistent pitching he has given the team and I have no idea what to expect from Gee. Santana I try not to even consider. I’ll just react when he actually pitches in a regular season game.

I like the pen makeup and it’s potential even with no KRod. the bench now that is a concern.

Still all in all without yet to see one Spring Training game I’m not feeling too down when I think of what can be good on this team but yes you would be correct when you say “the Mets are considerably worse than last year at this time” On paper for now at least.

Just going in circles. The only point I was making was accusing him of not being a true fan is false.

That’s all.

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with Megdal but he made his point quite clear while the other 2 were just fans with an agenda and Howard made them look exactly just like that.

The Braves didn’t “add” too much, but they are young and should be in the position to improve…or they could all easily regress.

The Phils made of what I call, Lateral moves…it’s hard to get better being as stacked as they are. I still think that the health of the right side of the infield is a big question for them and you’d expect their are to become a issue. Overall, they are still the best team in the division, even if they didn’t necessarily “improve” on paper.

The Nats did some nice moves and should be getting better with maturity…but they didn’t blow anyone out with their great additions.

The Marlins “Won” the off season, but these are very risky high dollar moves, all could very easily blow up in there faces.

The Mets have only gotten worse. I’d take the pen for start of last year over the pen of this year, but it’s close. We all know how unstable relievers are. The rotation isn’t any better and there isn’t any real hope that it’ll improve anytime soon (and I’m a big Neise and RAD guy and I have hopes for Gee). The Lineup got worse…we lost the two best hitters we had, Murphy and Ike are coming off injuries, Duda and Tejada are unproven and Wright and Bay have a lot to do to be who they should be vs who’ve they’ve been.

While the rest of the division isn’t that much better than last year, the Mets expanded the gap by getting worse. I think the Mets are an NL average team playing in a very strong division…but this is still the off season, give out grades because it’s what we do because there is nothing else to do, but it’s winning in the summer time that really matters.

Couldn’t agree more. Beyond mediocre right now (Santana withstanding), it’s beyond thin.

And fantasy rankings always have to be taken with a grain of salt, since fantasy over wheighs steals usually.

And of course, like you said, that is based on projections. I was just thinking anecdotally (make a quick list of the top 20 players and see who you get).