Jose Reyes: “Hopefully they win a lot of games”

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• Richard February 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm

  Cannot blame him.
  • t agee February 17, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Agree with everything except I expect Reyes to get a very loud thank you for 8.5 years of mostly top flight performance and a hell of a lot of thrills.

    I know Jose wasn’t cut loose because draft picks were considered more valuable going forward. He was let go because the owner’s could no longer outspend their mistakes. That simple.

    Perez and Bay combined made more than Jose got with Miami but when it was his turn the well went dry.

    I don’t blame him for feeling bad and I don’t really blame ownership and the FO for not being above board about the whole thing, their trying their best not to alienate any more of the fan base then they already have but I did find something interesting last year.

    Gary Cohen said on the air just around the time Murphy got hurt that Collins had asked Murphy what he was thinking about for 2012 and Murphy told him 2B. I found this kind of surprising because if we kept Reyes then you got Tejada, Havens and Valdespin to battle it out with and while Tejada/Murphy could have worked in some fashion for 2012 you’d have to think one or both of the other two would have something to say about it in 2013 unless it was well known throughout the clubhouse and already a foregone conclusion that Reyes was gone which in retrospect it appears it probably was.

    Imagine Miami signing our free agents. Never thought I’d see the day but I still appreciate what Jose did for us and no way will I ever boo that guy.
    • Nicholas Pugliese February 17, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      I really hope you’re right about the booing but it just takes that one group of drunk fans to get it started and there’s a good chance thousands of people join in.
      • Donal February 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm

        There was always some drunk mook heckling Beltran with the same tired, ignorant, blatantly false crap like how soft he is an everything. No one joined in.

        He’ll get an ovation his first PA.
    • METS62FAN February 18, 2012 at 12:17 pm

      T, MY FRIEND, FOR ONE OF THE VERY FEW TIMES I FIND MYSELF IN ABJECT TOTAL DISAGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING U POSTED. WHAT WAS JOSE TO DO? IN THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF MIKE WOLF(AMERICAN PICKERS) “I CAN’T BUY IT & SELL IT TOO!” WHEN AN OWNER WOULD NOT MAKE AN EVALUATION AS TO WHAT THEY WANTED. UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE THIS REYES SITUIATION HIGHLIGHTS ONCE MORE HOW TOTALLY & COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH NYM OWNERSHIP IS WITH BOTH FANS & PLAYERS. ONCE FRED STUCK BOTH FEET IN HIS MPOUTH IN APRIL’S INTERVIEW, I BELIEVE JOSE’S MET FUTURE EVAPORATED. IF NOTHING ELSE THEY COULD MOST CERTAINLY HAVE OFFERED WHAT THEY KNEW THEY COULD SPEND, THEY DIDN’T REEN DO THAT, THEY LEFT HIM JILTED @ THE FREE AGENCY ALTAR.

      IMO, THE PRESS DRUMMED JOSE OUT OF TOWN WITH THIS MADE OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH CARWFORD CONTRACT BS GUESSTIMATES AS I DID NOT ONCE EVER HEAR THAT NUMBER COME OUT EVEN AS A TARGET FROM ANYONE LEGITIMATELY ASSOCIATED WITR THE REYES’ CAMP, AN AGENT OR JOSE, HIMSAELF. IT WAS THE PRESS GUESSES & FRED’S STATEMENT THAT PUT THAT FIGURE OUT THERE. HELL, MIAMI NEVER HAD TO COME CLOSE THEY DIDN’T EVEN OFFER HIM EQUAL SALARY FROM CURRENT YR OVER THE FIRST 2 CONTRACT YEARS SINCE HIS 2011 NYM SALARY WAS $11M & MIAMI IS ONLY PAYING HIM $10M IN 2012 &z 2013[IF JOSE ACCEPTED A MILLION DOLLAR PAYCUT FROM MIAMI TO REGRETABLY LEAVE WHAST WOULD HE HAVE ACCEPTED TO GET WHAT HE & HIS FAMILY WANTED MOST? STAYING IN NY?]. I BELIEVE THE WILPONS WERE AFRAID HE’D GLADLY GIVE A TREMENDOUS HOMETOWN DISCOUNT OUT OF FEAR OF MAKING HIM AN EVEN LARGER ICONIC PRESENCE TAN HE HAD BECOME.

      BTW ANY CONTRADICTION TO THAT CONCEPT IS STRICTLY PERCEPTION WITHOUT SOLID FOUNDATION.

      T, IT’S NON-MOVES SUCH AS THIS REYES FALLDERALL THAT HAS RETURNED OUR ONCE BELOVED FRANCHISE BACK INTO THE GENERAL LAUGHINGSTOCK OF SPORTS. MORE SO THAN PIRATES, ASTROS, As,ROYALS, CLIPERS, KNICKS,BAD NEWS BEARS AS THE NYM ARE NOW BACK TO BEING NATIONAL LAUGHINGSTOCKS THAT REQUIRE LITTLE EXPLANATION AS EVEN HOLLYWOOD WRITERS ARE INCLUDING INSULTS INTO CHARACTER BANTER SCENES EXEMPLIFIED IN LAST NIGHT’S EPISODE OF “BLUE BLOODS” AS 2 CHARACTERS WERE BANTERING ON WHAT SHOULD & SHOULDN’T BE CRIMES WITH ONE STATING, “IT SHOULD BE A CRIME FOR THE METS TO CALL THEMSELVES A SPORTS TEAM”

      VERY EARLY 90s OF THEM, IMO.

      FOR ALL THE CRITICISM OMAR HAS RECEIVED BOTH ACCURATELY & INACCURATELY NO ONE CAN REFUTE HE DID AS MUCH AS ANYIONE TO DISPELL THAT NATIONAL SHAME AS ANYONE SINCE FRANK CASHEN & TO HIS CREDIT, HE DID IT WITHOUT A BOLD OWNERSHIP ALLY LIKE DOUBLEDAY
      SURE HE, IMO, WAS FORCED INTO SOME HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE SIGNINGS LIKE ALOU; BUT BASED UPON ACTIVITY BEFORE & SINCE, IT’S MORE LIKELY MOISES WAS THE BEST HE WAS ALLOWED TO ACQUIRE. RATHER THAN HIS CHOICE FROM THE OUTSET FLOYD HAD ALREADY INKED WITH SD LITTLE BETTER WAS LEFT ON THE LATE MARKET WITH NO VIABLE INTERNAL SOLUTIONS ON THE FARM, SOMETIMES BAD BREATH IS PREGFERABLE TO NO BREATH. UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE IT IS TIMES LIKE THAT WHEN THE MOST DAMAGE WAS INCURRED BY JEFF’S DABBLING IN BASEBALL DECISIONS

      ALL TOO OFTEN MUCH OF OMAR’S DISPARAGEMENT CAME FROM THE PENS PAID BY THE NY DAILY SNOOZE WRITERS CLEARLY OFTEN ON THE SNY(JEFF WILPON) PAYROLL FOR APPEARANCES HOE MANY CONJECTURE PIECES DID THE WRITE LINKINGH OMAR TPO PAST PLAYERS OF INTEREST WELL BEYOND THEIR TIME, YET OMAR NEVER SHOED THE INTERESTR IN THEM THERY SEWD DISCONTENTMENT ABOUT SANS FACTS..
      WHILE IT’S TRUE THERE IS AN EPIDEMIC OF MEDIOCRITY RAMPANT IN THE FRONT OFFICES OF FLUSHING’S SPORTS’ PRIDE; BUT IT DATES BACK TO THE RUMORED “TOO MUCH PLAYER INFLUENCES” OF THE EARLY 90s, THE DISRUPTIVE SPYING OF BERNAZARD DELIBERATELY SEWING ANTI-WILLIE SEEDS TO FAVOR AN ACTA PROMOTION AS BERNAZARD’S ULTIMATE “PROTECTOR” WAS REVEALED AS JEFF WILPON. IS IT NOT APPROPRIATELY MACHLIAVELIAN THAT JEFF HEADS UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE BERNAZARD AA SHIRTLESS INCIDENT & HAVING MADE A DECISION JEFF SURREPTICOUSLY STEPS OUT OF VIEW LEAVING HIS GM, WELL RENOWNED FOR HIS MALAPROPS(THE JOE BIDEN OF SPORTS GMs) TO FLOUNDER WITHY THE PRONOUNCEMENT ON A SUBJECT, HE WAS LIKELY KEPT IN THAT DARK ON.
      AS ONE WHO HAS CLOASELY WATCHED & TRACKED THE BEHIND THE SCENES OF THIS FRANCHISE FOR EVERY ONE OF IT’S 50+ YEARS OF EXISTANCE BOTH CONCEPTUAL & ACTUAL. I FELL VERY JUSTIFIED IN STATING THAT JEFF WILPON IS THE SINGLE WORSTY ENTITY TO BE NYM AFFILIATED IN FRANCHISE HISTORY INCL M.DONALD GRANT & LORINDA DeROULETTE WHILE DOUQUETTE & PETERSON TOOK THE IRE FROM FANS ON THE KAZMIR SACRIFICE, IT WAS JEFF WHOSE FINGERPRINTS WERE ALL OVER THE ENTIRE TRANSACTION AS HE BELIEVED THE LOUDER MOUTHS OF THE UNWASHED WFAN CALLERS PROCLAIMING THE METS WITHIN A PITCHING UPGRADE FROM RELEVANCY AS THEY TOILED THAT SEASON MERELY SINGLE DIGIT GAMES BEHIND THE LEADING PHILLIES WITH A PAIR OF SERIES CLOSE UP ON THER CALENDAR
      JEF, DEPERATELY WANMTED TO ELIMINATE THE GM POSITION FOLDING THOSE POWERS INTO HIS RESPONSIBILITIES; BUT FRED SENSED THE NEED FOR BASEBALL GUIDANCE, SEEKING OUT A ONCE RELIABLE EMPLOYEE WHOM HE TRUSTED BEFORE BEING DISPATCHED TO MLB AS A RIVAL BY THEN GM, STEVE PHILLIPS
      FROM THAST MOMENT FORWARD, JEFF’S MISSION WAS TO DEVALUE OMAR MINAYA IN AN EFFORT TO BE RID OF THE “BABYSITTER” .

      NO INSTANCE BETTER REPRESENTS THE ETERNAL DISCORD BETWEEN OWNER, JUDGE, C.O.O(PROSECUTOR & G.M.(MINAYA) THAN THE CASE OF WILLIE RANDOLPH (DEFENDANT)

      JEFF, THE EVER POPULARIST WFAN LISTENER (OF WHOM HE ONCE ADMITTED BELIEVING WAS THE BEST ADVISOR ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE) PERSONALLY POSSESSES LITTLE TO NO FIRST HANF BASEBALL KNOWLEDGE OR TEAM DYNAMICS KNOWLEDGE SEES HIMSELF AS A UNDERAPPRECIATED, VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO STERLING SUCCESS AS THERE IS LITTLE THAT OVERSHADOWS HIS OWN SENSE OF SELF RIGHTOUS, SELF IMPORTANCE WHEN IN REALITY BOTH ARE DWARFED BY HIS ABSOLUTE INEPTNESS BE IT IN SPORTS OR BROADCASTRING BOTH OF WHICH WERE PRESENTED TO HIM WITHOUT ANY PREKNOWLEDGE OR GUIDE;LINES FOR EXCELLENCE.

      FROM A 50 YR+ FAN PERSPECTIVE ala THESE METS I CAN CLEARLY & SUCCINCTLY STATE….,

      “WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY & THEY ARE WILPONS!

      NO, T, THERE WILL BE NO PEACE IN FLUSHING NOR SENSE OF PURPOSE UNTIL THE WILPONS ARE GONE PRIMARILY DUE TO A FATHER’S LOYALTY TO AN INEPT SON DESPITE THE FATHER’S OTHERWISE VALUE AS A LOYAL BASEBALL GENERALIST.

      CERTAINLY THE OWNERSHIP IS FLYING THEIR TRIAL BALLOONS ON THE FATE OF DAVID WRIGHT THROUGHOUT THE PRESS
• musico8 February 17, 2012 at 4:19 pm

  Great stuff; I agree with you, the fact that he’s still talking about the Mets is because that’s where he wishes he was in all reality. It’s a shame.
• William H. February 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm

  The fans that talk badly of Jose are those that were hurt most and the only way to deal with those feelings is to lash out at him. It gives them comfort and makes them feel better to say Jose didn’t want to be hear, even if they know the Mets had no intentions of keeping him.
• Joey D. February 17, 2012 at 4:31 pm

  Agree 100%.

  His heart was with the Mets and even though business is still business, there is the human element to consider as well. I think it would have been better for Sandy to have told him and his agent that they would love to keep Jose but they simply did not have anywhere the money a player of his worth would get (forget about the Miami offer).

  Maybe that’s what the front office doesn’t get with the way it handles it’s decisions – that players and the fans are human and to be honest with them a little bit more goes a much longer way than handing them BS with a straight face. That’s why there might be so much whinning on the part of so many. As with the situation with Jose, we weren’t told the absolute truth about that and many other a matter. Yes, they were afraid of an even bigger drop in ticket sales if they didn’t either trade Jose last summer or held onto him to finish the season as a Met but as much as it would have frustrated many a fan, many others would have found the honesty and final word on the subject as a breath of fresh air… and a little less whinning about the front office.

  Of course, there is the other matter of Citi Field and making it less affordable but that is another subject.
  • any February 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    I still believe that they would have liked to keep Jose. but, only if he came at what they could pay. Might not have expected, but there was a chance. SO it made no sense to tell them up front they had no interest.

    But, he was on record as saying he wanted to play the market, so it made less sense to give him you best offer early to shop. But, if no team was really interested at big $, then they could have tried to work out the deal.

    once the Marlins went big, and the Mets told the agent they couldn’t or wouldn’t beat it, he was gone.

    heart or not, money came first. SO sure, maybe he would have liked to stay in NY, but to me, that means he wished the Mets offered more than the marlins. If he wanted to be here, he would be.
    • Metstheory22 February 17, 2012 at 4:55 pm

      I think Sandy would have kept him if he had money to spend on him. His hands were tied. Reyes would had stayed if offered a decent proposal.
    • Vinny B February 17, 2012 at 4:55 pm

      How can you say that? The Mets didn’t offer him a contract – How can he play for the Mets, if they never offered him anything?

      The Mets didn’t want Jose. If they did, they would have offered him a contract.
      • any February 17, 2012 at 5:21 pm

        the amount the mets would go to was all over the internet. not hard to guess where it originated.

        Why make an offer that is less then he already had? It is like going to an auction, and saying you really want a certain item, and have $100 in your pocket. But, the opening bid by someone else is $125. You still gonna raise your hand and say $100?

        Reyes’ agent knew exactly what the Mets were willing to go to. Miami beat it out of the gate, so he left. Just business!
• any February 17, 2012 at 4:51 pm

  also, you suggest the mets should have made some non-starter offer just to say they did? Once the Marlins went big, why? Not to mention, if they published a 5/70 or some such, all you would have heard (including out of team Jose) is how it was insulting, blah blah blah.
  • Nicholas Pugliese February 17, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    “Reyes said. ‘Make a push. Even if it’s not what I’m looking for, show me you still want me.’”

    It is better to try and fail than to not try at all, right? It couldn’t have hurt to throw out a random figure and see if he was willing to take a hometown discount. Not saying he would have (because he wouldn’t), or even should have, taken it couldn’t have been a bad thing to try.
    • t agee February 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm

      Reyes didn’t sell his house either.
    • any February 17, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      it really is damned if you do damned if you don’t.

      so what is the $ amount that tells reyes we really love you vs. him getting insulted?

      Actually, the Mets DID make him an offer. they offered him arbitration. If he really wanted to stay, just accept it. Almost guaranteed a LT deal happens after that.

      it is sitll all about the money though.

      and I don’t recall Reyes’ agent trying to work something out or making any offers. Just refusing to negotiate during the season, and multiple comments from Jose that he was excited to play the FA game.

      if he wanted to be here, and would have worked with the Mets, he would still be here.
• Greg Pomes February 17, 2012 at 4:57 pm

  This is Alderson’s fault that Reyes is no longer a Met. From the first day he darkened our doorstep he made it pretty clear he was not going to sign Jose Reyes. Also unlike Alderson Reyes has shown class throughout.
  • Nicholas Pugliese February 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    I don’t blame Alderson for not signing Reyes. I definitely think it was a big black mark on his resume with how he handled the situation (not trading Reyes when it was clear we wouldn’t sign him), but Wilpon gets the blame for Reyes leaving. Don’t forget the whole “he wants Carl Crawford money, he’s not getting Carl Crawford money” comment. Sandy has to listen to Fred when it comes to issues like this so even if he wanted to he couldn’t have signed Jose.
    • any February 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm

      we will never know if Sandy would have moved him, but when Jose blew a hammy on 7/1 it had to destroy his trade value. Especially since he looked like a cripple when he came back. What team is giving up top talent for a guy that looked like he was ready to go back onto the DL at any time?
  • Baseball101 February 17, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Stop, I’m begging. We get it, you hate Alderson, until he’s gone you will make up lies just like you did about Beltran.
  • Des February 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Are you the guy who said that Carlos Beltran had no class? Go figure.
• Joe D February 17, 2012 at 5:11 pm

  If I could weigh in. Long before the 2011 season started, I was already of the mind that Jose Reyes would not be part of Alderson’s rebuilding plan. My first clue to that was how they simply picked up his team option shortly after Alderson was hired without even as much of a mere suggestion of an extension at that time. In fact, they simply told Asst. Gm John Ricco, you go ahead and take care of that option thing with Jose.

  During the winter meetings I was surprised when the question came up about Reyes he deferred and instead remarked that he really values OBP and wondered if Reyes would ever have an ideal OBP.

  After the winter meetings, and after my very first conference call with him, he had a separate one with reporters where he made his “stolen bases are just a footnote to victory” comment. That comment was blown way out of proportion on the web and here on MMO, but I wasn’t really as taken back about the comment, as I was that it came after Jose Reyes extended an offer to negotiate an extension before spring training or don’t bring it up once the season starts.

  I knew then, there would be gamesmanship on both sides and that there was no way Reyes would be a Met beyond the 2011 season.

  It’s funny because I kind of got poked fun at a lot during our conference calls with Sandy, because I would always be the one hounding him on Reyes.

  As a matter of fact when he made that “vampires or sumthin” comment, it was I who corrected him and said they were zombies. It was my segue into, speaking of the walking dead, let’s talk about Reyes.

  Anyway, all I’m saying is that I suspected and said so openly on MMO, that I didn’t feel Alderson viewed Reyes as part of his rebuilding plan.
  • any February 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    2 questions:

    1) can you blame them for wanting to see if he could still play a full season (and put up numbers) after all the problems in 2009-2010? Another way to look at it is, would Jose have taken a deal based on that (4/50?)

    2) Do you think if Jose’s agent had said fine, we know money is tight, but offer 5/75 and we stay, that Sandy would have said no?
    • Joe D February 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      You are asking questions in which exist two sides for each, depending on what you want to believe.

      We can speculate all we want in the wake of what happened, but I’m just saying that most of what I speculated in the 2010 offseason and early 2011 ended up coming to pass.

      I didn’t acquire any great power to do it, I simply read the tea leaves based on what I saw first hand, heard directly from Alderson myself, and read on beat writer blogs like many of us do.

      What you are asking me to do is pretend Reyes asked Alderson that he’d stay for 5/75. It never happened, and depending on what your agenda is you’ll get two staunch arguments from either side. The other Reyes post proves that.

      I was simply relaying what did happen, how I decoded it for myself, and what conclusions it led me to.

      All these “what-ifs” only lead to posts with 100 comments arguing one of the two sides and not getting anywhere or convincing one side they have it wrong.

      I’d rather stick to what happened and what we know. That alone is sufficient enough for a good debate.
• Baseball101 February 17, 2012 at 5:13 pm

  Can we all stop splitting hairs already about Contract offer or not. I think this is all a PR stunt to make the Mets fans feel worse then they already do.

  Reyes and his camp knew well enough the position the Mets were in, and they went out to get a better deal, just like anyone of us would if we were looking for a job. If he and/or his camp say otherwise, then are trying to sell you a bridge.

  Stop being so gullible.
• Donal February 17, 2012 at 5:17 pm

  Ya, he said a lot of things. But, his actions the last few months drowned out those words.

  Like I’ve said, good for him for getting the biggest deal he could while he was a hot commodity.

  But please don’t take us for fools, Jose. You elected not to negotiate during the season. You wanted the big dollars and went to the Marlins because you knew no one else would give you that big a payday. That is why you signed before the Winter Meetings even though you had 2 more teams schedule to talk with you.
  • metsaddict77 February 18, 2012 at 9:42 am

    all though u bye into all of sandy’s bs and double talk.hypodcrit.
    • Donal February 18, 2012 at 9:51 am

      http://www.hookedonphonics.com/

      Give that a once over and try talking to me again.
      • metsaddict77 February 18, 2012 at 10:04 am

        oh how original, because i accidently hit the the wrong key on keyboard i need phonix. u don’t have the b**** to say to me in real life u little twirp.
        • Donal February 18, 2012 at 11:10 am

          Look, I lost my Idiot to English dictionary, so you’re just going to have to speak English.
          • Des February 18, 2012 at 11:16 am

            You guys gave me my laugh for the day. BTW, Donal, did you let on that you’re 6’8″ and weigh 320 pounds?
• Joey D. February 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm

  Joe D. is completely accurate with his conclusions.

  To speculate what one might have offered or accepted is irrelevant for we can only go by conclusions based on the observations we witnessed. By his actions Alderson did not give any inkling he was planning to retain Jose’s services. Any public posture he took about hoping Jose would remain a Met was not reflected in the actual ways he was handling his operation.

  Take into account the moves he has made as G.M. in terms of players released, re-signed or obtained as free agents. One can argue whether they were good moves, bad moves or risks worth taking that just didn’t pan out as hoped for, but the underlining thread that ties them all together is they were all made as if one was working on a very tight shoestring budget. Under those circumstances, a player of Jose Reyes’ financial station would never fit in with the club’s future. A Chris Young, a Chris Capuano, a D.J. Carasco, a Brad Emus, a Willie Harris, etc. would, but not so a Jose Reyes, just as much as it didn’t for a Carlos Beltran, a Krod or even a David Wright.

  Now speculating about David’s future based on presumptions which have as much credibility as those that were applied to Jose misses the point. If the money is there, then there will be some sort of negotiation between David and Sandy. It might not work out but at least there will be an offer on the table. If the money is not there, then all that will be said would be public lip service.

  Jose didn’t leave the Mets to get more money, even though that was the end result. Jose left – for lack of a better description – because he needed a job. The Mets were downsizing (i.e., salary dumping) and so he was being cut. And though it is business, as mentioned before, it has to hurt.

  That is the reality of the situation. The franchise is cutting back drastically on it’s major league level operations due to financial catastrophes that were both out of the owner’s control and brought on by themselves for many reasons. But the bottom line is that circumstances have caused them to salary dump and they are trying to publicly disguise it as re-building. If it wasn’t so drastic, then an offer of some kind would have been put on the table for Jose to either take or reject – even with that mega contract offer from Miami already in place. There is nothing to lose with a counter-offer unless it’s an offer is made with the expectation the other party would reject it out of hand. Like in poker, Sandy folded for he could not afford the risk that Jose would call his bluff and accept the offer. The money was just not there.

  We can only speculate what Sandy might have done if he wasn’t hired to be a bean counter. My own thought is that despite being prone to injury, at his age Jose is the type of player one would try to avoid losing if within the fiscal budget to do so.
  • srt February 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    This is probably about as close to what is reality on the Jose controversy as anything other speculation I’ve read so far, IMO.

    Bottom line though is it’s done. Like it or not we’re moving on without Jose. I don’t like it but it is what it is.
• LongTimeFan February 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm

  Not signing Reyes is Sandy’s doing, not even making an offer, and he’ll be the one to blame when Reyes goes into Cooperstown wearing a Marlins cap should he continue playing with them beyond his current contract. He’ll be a lock for the Hall should he amass 3,000 hits and all those stolen bases, easily on that pace at 28. The only question is his health…the talent will take care of the rest.
  • Donal February 18, 2012 at 9:49 am

    ” He’ll be a lock for the Hall should he amass 3,000 hits and all those stolen bases, easily on that pace at 28.”

    No, he isn’t. Not even close. Look how long it took Jeter, who has had 1 big injury that caused him to miss real time. Look at where Jeter was at the same age. At 28, Jeter had 1380 hits. Reyes has 1300 hits in 2 more seasons at the same age.

    And why would Reyes go in with a cap of a team that he only spent 2 years with?
    • K Maxx February 18, 2012 at 9:57 am

      What does Jeter have to do with Reyes or his outlook for the HOF?

      Lets talk about shortstops who are in the hall and see how Reyes compares against them.

      http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstss.shtml

      There’s 21 shortstops in the HOF. Reyes will be better than 14 of those players when he’s done barring injury.
      • Donal February 18, 2012 at 11:08 am

        “What does Jeter have to do with Reyes or his outlook for the HOF?”

        They are contemporaries.

        “Lets talk about shortstops who are in the hall and see how Reyes compares against them.

        http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstss.shtml

        There’s 21 shortstops in the HOF. Reyes will be better than 14 of those players when he’s done barring injury.”

        1) You have to account for different eras

        2) barring injury- good luck with that
• Joey D. February 18, 2012 at 10:38 am

  I never really thought of the Hall of Fame when thinking of Jose Reyes. Weighing the pros and cons at this point of his career, I would say injuries have curtailed some of the skill that had made him such an exciting player to watch. We saw it again with his hamstring the second half of last year.

  Since we have such short memories, it might have been that the injury riddled years being so recent I forgot how much he excelled in years prior to that. Saw him make an outstanding play at last year’s home opener going up the middle to turn what looked like a sure base hit into a double play which was the old Jose. But I’m afraid, however, that the injuries might curtail a career for him to be a player that was just good enough not be elected to the Hall. Same with Don Mattingly – he was a sure bet making it into the Hall before injuries befell him and he was a shadow of himself the second half of his career.