The press pretty much started all that talk and Hal ran with it!
It’s the city that does it! That doesn’t happen elsewhere look how long Earl Weaver got and he didn’t even make the playoffs all that much!

I couldn’t get the Fan back in those days during the daytime and it was all I could do to make my own games at night and read the Post in the AM. Probably watched more weekend games then weekday one’s so you guys probably know better.

I stand advised.

but he’s got thick powerful legs and built like a bull. dont believe those 160 pound listings you still see floating out there. that was like 5 years ago. he’s a solid 200 pounds now

this kid has starters stuff. his secondary stuff is already more advance than harvey, wheeler, and familia.

if mejia didnt get hurt and pitched most of the year in buffalo, he would be the mets #1 prospect on every list out there

Second Guessing him almost on a daily basis!

Teufel instead of Backman
Mookie and Dykstra

This move instead of that move or Not making a move etc…
Bunting, Not Bunting!

There was always some story second guessing him!

Yeah their might have been the odd Davey’s on the hot seat here and there but no one was calling for his toenail let alone his head until late ’89 at the earliest and even at that, most people felt Cashen was all wet on the firing when it went down in ’90.

You know most fans at the time thought Johnson was a Horrible manager in the 80′s as well!
And as soon as he didn’t win two years in a row they got heard and thier cause was taken up in the papers!

All the TV Stations, All the National Media, All the sports networks and the largest number of cable subscribers in any one place in the country and the media pressure makes TALK into an ACT real quick!

And to say Mejia is a 4th level starter really is not worth saying because hebhasn’t really started yet to say how good he is!

I suppose Wheelr is a 4th level starter too? Any guarantee he is an ace?

Regardless of what you think of their talent you STILL need a 4th and 5th Starter and if Mejia is better than the other starters we have (Count them! Harvey 1 Familia 2 Wheeler 3!) He still is much more useful to us as a starter than a reliever!

And until he FAILS as a starter I see nbo reason to ENSURE he fails as a potential starter just because we sold off a good closer for money considerations and need one!

When your a one team town (and a smaller town than NYC) and all there is to root for and go see you don’t get the same pressures regarding performance and anger from those fans as you get in NY!

NY fans look at the Yankees success and they seethe despite the fact we had those three straight years of pretty damn good baseball!
It’s not as good as the yanks so it isn’t good enough! And if it isn’t good enough in NY it’s CRAP!

The Media is all about writing stories the fans want to read and hear!
The Fans wanted us to make a splash in FA, the Media caught onto that tiger and Jason Bay deal is born! Yes Omar was a fool to listen but if he had not listened he probably gets fired mid season as opposed to the end of it!
Can’t win! Only thing that could have saved Omar was a playoff!

The fans were down on Randolph because of the choke! Forget the playoffs he got us two in two years of service only rmembered the failure from the last year!

the media and the fans in NY act three times quicker and have three times shorter the attention span of other cities!
And having the Yankees playing well doesn’t help that because the failure gets thrown into your face everyday!

I have never called for Sandy to get fired but I see (and have said) anyone who thinks a long term plan is the way to go has obviously not been paying attention to NY way of life and past history of what happend when you don’t win in NY and win quickly!

He got his year of grace last season and was not raked over the coals by the media for cutting the salary!
See what happens if Wright get traded though because it’s year two and if he doesn’t win something by next year it will be time to change the underwear around here again!

Not because I said so buty because we will be on Sandy Deathwatch almost from the start of spring!
All because we live in NY and you get three years from nothing and two years after success or your yesterday’s news and tomorrow’s unemployed!

It was widely speculated that Charlie was probably going to be canned at the end of the 2007 season. It dominated the Philly papers and blogs that summer going into Sep.
Along comes the Mets collapse coupled with the Phillies winning in ’07 and all of a sudden, he was a genius. They’ve won the division every year since ’07 so no reason to discuss Manuel’s tenure again.

Now though the natives are getting restless – only b/c they’ve yet to get back and actually win the WS since ’08. Fans are saying his time has come and gone. Philly FO very vocal after last year’s elimination on changing the game plan to meet the situation and have to stop relying on the long ball to win all games.

Sounds like Manuel’s tenure is going to be closely tied to Phillies results in the near future.

That recent you speak of has been since Manuel took over! They didn’t win those first two years did he get canned? He has won one WS, lost two LDS’ and one NLCS. Still has a job right?

Braves have only made 1 playoff in the last 6 Years 4 consecutive years of missing them under Cox, Did he get canned? They had a lot of Playoffs under Cox and only managed to win the WS Once! Did he get canned for all his failure in getting the prize?

Mets in 99 and 2000 Lost an NLCS and a WS. Two years later Valentine was fired!
Mets made it to and lost one NLCS Two year later Randolph canned with a .500 record!
Davey had Two 100+ win seasons, One WS, One NLCS and was fired two years later!
Yogi Berra got to one WS and was fired two years later!
The only other guy they could have fired after succeeding was Hidges to up and died before they got the chance!

Mets have had 22 Managers since 62!
Phillies have had 18 in that time!
Braves have had 17 Managerial changes One of those guys served two seperate times (Cox!)

You want consistency, you want long term PLANS then you have to keep the plan makers THERE to see it through!

Otherwise the next guy comes in with a new plan and stops the progress!

Omar obviously had a long term plan you didn’t get to see because he got fired after his success after two years of adversity! But funny how most of his guys are the leading candidates of hope here!

IN NY you have three years and Two of them better be good because it doesn’t matter what you did three years ago if you don’t meet expectation two years in a row your OUTTA HERE!

And You will see the same thing if Sandy doesn’t get this team winning something real soon!

I really don’t even like using numbers to classify pitchers anyway. I think of 4 levels but everyone else uses 5 numbers so that is why I said 5/6 starter.

Ace, upper rotation, mid rotation, back of the rotation are my levels. My point is that IF Mejia is pitching like a back of the rotation starter, (think Pelfrey) then it might be more cost advantageous to have him be a closer.

Is Ryan and Gooden 4th and 5th level starters?

What does the fact they are 4th and 5th in the rotation really mean relative to their skill?

Is Cole Hamels only a 3rd level rotation guy? Maybe on the Phillies but on our staff is he 1 2 3 or 4?

and he missed some time, so had fewer PAs. Plus probably came back way too early from the beaning, and that accounts for some of the RBI drop. the rest was, no one on base to drive in most of the time.

LOL, 2009 was not a great year for Wright. However, if it is considered one of your down years you will do OK for sure.

ohh, and 2011 DID HAPPEN…