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2012
Darin Gorski: A Little Bit Of Confidence Can Go A Long Way
An article by Hojo's Mojo
In this week’s mailbag, Anthony DiComo of Mets.com, fields a question about the prospect status of lefthander Darin Gorski.
Why doesn’t anyone mention Darin Gorski as a top pitching prospect? His stats last year were exceptional.
Two reasons. Firstly, Gorski produced those statistics (a 2.08 ERA, 140 strikeouts and 29 walks in 138 2/3 innings) as a 23-year-old in Class A ball. As mentioned above in the discussion of Duda, such success against mostly younger players carries relatively little weight with Major League talent evaluators.
Also working against Gorski is the fact that his pure stuff does not impress scouts. His fastball often sits in the high 80s and he does not possess any standout secondary offerings. Of course, many pitchers have enjoyed fine big league careers with similar arsenals, and just as many have succeeded despite their lack of pedigree (Gorski, like Duda, was drafted in the seventh round). But Gorski must prove himself at the upper levels of the Minors before he can inspire any type of similar confidence. This year should be telling for him.
Our Mets Minor League analyst Petey, ranked Darin Gorski No. 13 on MMO’s Top 50 Prospects and recently asked him about his eye-opening performance last season:
Petey: Ok, the big question, the one you’ve probably been asked a million times already, how did you do it? I have heard writers previously credit the development of your change-up, but could it really be as simple as that? You went from a 6-8 record in 2010 at Savannah, with a 4.58 ERA in 114 IP’s, to a record in 2011 at St. Lucie of 11-3, with an ERA of 2.08 in 138.2 IP’s. And you were the model of consistency all year, which says a lot about your mechanics. But tell us what changes you made between the 2010 and 2011 seasons that made such a dramatic difference for you?
Darin: It’s funny what a little bit of confidence can do for a pitcher. I’d have to say the first big difference I noticed from last year to this year would be my fastball command, which is one thing Phil and I had worked hard on. Second is just being confident in my ability to pitch and trusting my stuff each time out there. The fastball command definitely helped all my pitches because when you’re ahead in the count you can expand the zone and keep the hitters off balance. If you’re always behind in the count, as I was quite often in Savannah, it puts the hitters in good fastball counts and they are ready to hit and that’s where I ran into trouble. The work that we did mechanically in the bullpen allowed me to make that adjustment and it translated in the game, which is when the confidence started to kick in.
Read Petey’s full interview with Darin Gorski here.
I’m very intrigued by Gorski and I’m looking forward to see how he performs at Double-A Binghamton where he is expected to begin the season. After winning the Mets Minor League Pitcher of the Year Award last season, I can’t wait to see what he does for an encore. LGM.
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Hojo, it’s amazing what confidence can do to you, sometimes it’s not all about skills, it’s the will to be great or better than the opponent.. i believe this kid will do good and become a great part of our future.. amazing that i am more excited to watch what the Double A and triple A players do rather than the major leaguers.. but, having an organization and front office that doesn’t care about winning will do that to you..
Dan Gorski has confidence = Sandy is a bad GM. The new math.
Yup they just don’t care. After years of caring and investing more than most teams, they suddenly lost the will to care. No reason for it, they probably just got bored and wanted to play more golf.
Of Course, as soon as something it’s said about this front office the apologists come running to save the integrity and “well stablish” record of their lord.. am i wrong in saying this ORG and the GM in charge just don’t care?? did you see how arrogant and snarky he sounded after reyes signed? were you not paying attention?? seriously… this is even worst when a few of us starting calling wright a choker and hell almost broke loose, it seems you cannot criticize or say anything or question any move that this front office does..
Disagreeing with the thinking that ownership and FO don’t care, is far from being a apologist or fanboy. This isn’t some kind or partisan battle, you can be upset with the state of the team while believing that the FO and Ownership is not trying to destroy what we love.
Yes, you are wrong.
Just *rolling my eyes* at this brilliant assessment.
Not caring about winning = continued low attendance = continued low revenues = less of a chance for the Wilpons to retain ownership.
Yeah, given the fact that the Wilpons have borrowed from everyone including Peter to pay Paul to hold onto this team I can’t understand the conclusion of of ‘not caring about winning’.
obviously srt is taking the easy way out by blaming everything on the finances (as usual) so what else is new.
Never mind the growing sentiment and daily reading about fans questioning how the money is spent. Last year and this year the Mets had enough money to compete and add to their roster without sacrificing for the future. Well, trading a couple of minor leaguers could’ve helped secure young pitching as well.
But that didn’t happen because we have a front office that is not up to the task. God Forbid anyone every suggest that they are doing a very bad job with the money they have. A very bad job. But millions suddenly pop up to sign Brandon Nimmo and shorten the fences
*YAWN*
Bayonne is spending another day (and night probably) kvetching about the front office. When is he going to once again assert that he and his band of malcontents would do a better job? Personally I wouldn’t let Bayonne manage the ride on a merry-go-round. He’d fall off.
each time you dopes kvetch about the Wilpons and Picard, I will kvetch about the front office because I don’t stop at the easy way out.
The Mets HAD chances to do a better job of improving the team and they simply are not and it should be questioned and is good to see more and more people and some media starting to question this front office too. Hopefully it’s a grassroots type thing that will be catching on to the main stream media more and more.
What the HELL is this front office doing when clearly teams are acquiring better levels of players FOR THE SAME PRICES AND LESS than what our front office is doing
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Of Course i am wrong… so is bayonne, maniac, metsie, maxx, in fact anyone who doesn’t believe in this front office is wrong.. 2 years in place, and this front office has managed to lose 3 all stars, and in return have gotten absolutely nothing, a bunch of rejects noone wants to sign/draft for, but here they’re given the opp and chance because they’ll play for next to nothing or cost the minimun by getting them in the rule V draft (BRAD EAMUS), and a single A pitcher..
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LOL…very clever.
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brilliant.
Copying and pasting is not clever at all and I hope it gets banned because all it does is distract and soon you’ll have more people flooding the site with this garbage.
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Garbage is also repeating the same stuff day after day. You need a new script writer — ’til then cease and desist. Don’t you get bored with yourself? The rest of us do.
Garbage is blaming everything on Irving Picard and Fred Wilpon every day. That’s garbage.
Last year and this year the front office dropped the ball and did a disgusting job and part of that alleged 70 million dollar loss is on Sandy Alderson for only making token moves last year when he was out smarted by other GMs who got better players within the parameters the Mets had to work with, and the same thing this year.
Ignoring that is WORSE garbage
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this guy saltygary is abusing the site now and i think this should be banned
And you, sir, are abusing out brains. At least Salty’s posts provide some aesthetic qualities. Yours tend to be more like anesthesia.
Why?
Because i’m saying the Front Office is doing a terrible job? because the front office is making a bad situation worse.
That’s why you say that?
Well too F’kin bad. It’s my opinion and I will post it here everyday if I have to
Abusing the site? Again, I find them much more refreshing and entertaining than reading the same thing over and over and over and over. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic.
I have an idea, how about you write a post and send it in to Joe. Explain your credentials as being more intelligent than the average poster. Then explain how Sandy is ruining the Mets and is actually terrorist threat number 1 with the death of Osama. Then you can post all that junk that you post over and over along with your buddies and it will actually be on topic.
You are entitled to disagree with the moves of the front office. It is the way that you do it that draws ridicule.
Every post no matter what the subject is, you post the same damn “Sandy Saves” comment. Nothing new, nothing engaging, just the same drivel over and over again. People try to engage with you and you don’t listen to thier positions you just accuse them of believing something else. The acsii pictures have the same exact value as your comments do, you are just not smart enough to get what I am doing.
Omarfan is back?
You pulled the rac ist card? You, who tells SRT to get back in the kitchen, have pulled the rac ist card?
You are about to enter another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination.
“all it does is distract and soon you’ll have more people flooding the site with this garbage.”
Did YOU seriously just comment this? This was a post on a Mets prospect and you guys turned it into the same tired and boring debate. There has not been one single post on this site in the last month that has not turned into the same discussion. While initially it’s great for clicks it will eventually drive people away, history already shows that.
This.
disagreeing with what people have to say – and saying the front office is doing a LOUSY job with the money they have is not the same as copying and pasting stupid computer font artwork
Don’t be an idiot
So, what he is doing is worse than attacking people personally, making comments about their family and threatening them?
Is that what you are saying?
Yes
What he’s doing is worse than what happened here a long, long time ago even though you are bringing it up now again to fit your argument. Suggesting an “Eye for Eye” context. Which is wrong as well.
You still insult people. and you only stopped threatening people because you don’t have the shoutbox to hide in anymore. And you never apologized for any of your actions.
And the fact that what you believed was justified or less than what what salty is doing (which I admit is not very helpful) shows just how must up your perception is.
Salty — Nice job. Anyway,I’m glad we don’t pay for our comments by the cyberspace inch.
Meanwhile, in Gorski Post land, he certainly would be nice add to the Major League roster in a year or so. The un-hyped underdog type. That’s the man that the fan can get behind and root for!
He could probably be a good swing man.
Every team needs one of those.
What bothers me is that we can’t have one single discussion on this site anymore without it going back to this same debate. We all know how each other feels so at this point wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just discuss the topic at hand? How does this topic have anything to do with the same tired discussion?
Gorski looks to be one of those prospects at this point in his young career that could go either way. Very good serviceable middle/back rotation type of starter or lefty out of the BP.
Of course would be great if he surprises everyone and takes enough of a leap where they start looking at him for higher up in the rotation.
We could do a lot worse than having a guy like him in the 5th spot or working long relief and sport starting.
Same people here keep defending sandy, yet you never see them actually bring up anything to prove why so many of us are wrong by criticizing sandy alderson and the front office.. Last year, the excuse to defend they’re lord was “it’s omar minaya’s fault”, this year after yet another terrible, horrific offseason the excuse is “well, it’s the wilpon’s fault”.. just last year he was being pegged as a genius, someone who will turn this franchise around, Fast forward to now, and it’s the wilpon’s financial issues only.. the man gave up 3 all stars and in return, 1 single A pitcher.. trades doesn’t exists with this franchise anymore, it’s all about free agents right? he is being badly outclass by pretty much every other GM in the league but there are those few here in this blog who somehow still think this man is here for anything else other than slash payroll.. what franchise is committed to winning if they are slashing payroll?? last i checked when you’re slashing payroll you’re in fire sale, now you got people here wishing players to do good so they can be traded for more prospects.. the moneyball way of course..
Who even said that we (to lump myself in with the Pro-Sandy crowd, even though I consider myself to be Sandy-Neutral) wanted to discuss Sandy today. 1st post. 1st absolute post on this article, an article about Gorski and his progression and how pitching with confidence helped to produce results is a post that ends in a shot at the front office. Why even put that there. We know you wear an “I Un-Heart Sandy” patch on your sleeve, your undies and you socks, but why even start it? It’s like you are addicted to Sandycrack. Just one more hit, I promise it will be my last one…
That’s my problem as well. It is evident that we all know each others positions and we all also know that they are currently not changing so can we please talk about something else?
Sandy Saves.
Remember when this post was about Gorski?
I’d bet if somebody wrote a blog about the weather, somehow, someway, people here would find a way to complain about Sandy Alderson.
6 Degrees of Always Talking About Alderson
Statement: It’s cold outside today.
“Punxsutawney Phil says 6 more weeks of winter”
“Bill Murray was in the movie Groundhog Day”
“Groundhog Day was produced by Harold Ramis”
“Harold Ramis ingested drugs to fail a physical for Vietnam”
“Alderson served in Vietnam”
“Alderson is to blame for the cold weather”
And if someone wrote a piece about the weather you can be sre Jessup would write a piece about how smart Sandy was for making it happen!
Or that Sandy HAD to make it rain so the plants could grow in the future!
And of course you and your dynamic duo would be right there to thwart his evil attempt. I really wish that you guys and Jessup would just fight it out blogger style with the loser to never post again. How about you and Jessup actually make a series of post send them in and the readers can vote for which ones are more thought out and rational? The loser is banished to Metsblog? Either way we could actually get back to discussing the topics the actual post was about. If you win then the conspiracy dies and you can talk about LBJ’s foreign policy. If he wins then the US will fall victim to Stalin Communism and will erect a wall between MMO and other blogs.
Isn’t this getting boring?
trs: Luckily for me, I don’t need to do that. First of all I have been a writer here now since 2009. Secondly, I haven’t written to any of these type of baiters in a week now. I feel like I’ve gone through rehab lol.
It’s not worth my time or anybody’s really to discuss things with people who refuse to see things in more than 1 way. When an argument about who was better Griffey Jr through 14 years or Beltran through 14 years came up, that’s when I knew it’s just not worth it.
So it’s kind of amusing to me that in the week I have not responded to guys like the person above, I still get thrown into the cesspool with them.
Heck, you’ve gone back and forth with them 100x more than me in the last week, you don’t see me lumping you in with them right?
So what is Gorski’s anticipated arrival schedule? 2014-ish?
Given the pace of his career so far, 2020. I keed I keed.
Ya, we’ll probably see him on the 40 man roster in 2014, if his progress continues.
“I have to say, after exposing myself”
Oh, its that kind of party.
Don’t worry we are getting it fired back up in a couple of weeks once basketball season is over. I will be back on my author search committee…. again.
Joe I want to make sure you know that my intentions along with any of the other authors at TRDM by posting here is not at any point to drive traffic to our site. At this point our site does not have the level of content that your guys are producing and you have a great blog. My hopes are that AA, MMO and TRDM can all compete with each other while taking views away from the Empire.
Just thought I would express that.
trs86,who else from your website post comments here? i tought it was only you…
Authors or regulars?
Many of your new posters are loyal readers of TRDM but our content has been so low lately they have came here in search of a rational place to post. However, they have obviously found nothing but a fight.
Thing is I really enjoy this blog and the incite the articles bring. However, if it continues to be the same Sandy debate everyday, all you will be left with here will be people of your same opinion and you will be bored out of your mind.
Rational? I’m here for the train wreck.
And don’t worry I will be gone once the season is starting and there is actually something to talk about. Just having fun poking the bear but it’s getting boring since they clearly can’t demonstrate any ability to have a conversation.
Raising my hand as a regular poster at TRDM.
But then, you probably already guessed that.
Bayonne, i am shocked that with this new guys coming in you even engaged, now we got a new one in salty, he brings nothing to the table and by his little drawings or what have you, shows even a more level of childness than donal and jesse p combine.
Alex, you are implying that Bay and Metsie’s behaviors are appropriate and mature?
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Salty, going to that well a little too often.
Fair enough, but I think I made my point but unfortunately I don’t think they are getting it.
Salty rocks!!
trs86, no i am not saying that. but this guy from YOUR blog is coming to this site to infected with garbage drawing like a little kid and bringing absolutely nothing to the table… at least metsie bring fair arguments and bayonne brings reality to conversation, unlike some of you who based the game of baseball on purely numbers… i have not seen one single conversation from salty or even srt worth saying, hmmmm, that’s a good point. just mindless attack and little drawing.. can’t wait till YOUR BUDDIES go back to your blog to post there. we have enough of them kind here already..
Again, I can’t understand the hate for SRT. Help me out, find one post where she is obnoxious or does not show thought (well until she was continually called out by Bay and responded with a “yawn”. Hardly offensive. As to not bringing anything to the discussion, perhaps you should take your team Alex blinders off and actually read one of her post. In fact she has been offered to become an author on a few Mets sites because of her passion and rational responses to grim situations.
But back to the topic. I don’t approve of what Salty is doing but is it really worse than calling someone a middle school name for having a different view? Is it really worse than lumping people in the same category and playing the sides game in every topic? Is it really worse than turning a discussion on Darin Gorski into the same useless debate?
Thanks for the support, TRS.
Alex: you and your ilk cannot separate a difference of opinion from a personal insult. And that’s the problem in a nutshell with some of the responses.
As far as the yawn response to Bayonne lately: If y’all haven’t noticed, he doesn’t let a response of mine go by w/o responding with a personal attack. Told him days ago if I was that boring to him (as he claimed), just skip over my comments. He refuses. So my *YAWN* is just a reminder on how much I bore him.
I can’t take any guy seriously who states in writing that women belong in the kitchen. No wonder he wants the game of baseball to regress back to what it was in the ’50s.
srt — I take offense to your claim that Bayonne wants the game of baseball to regress back to what it was in the ’50s. That was when we had the glory days of the Boys of Summer in Brookklyn. Bayonne isn’t up to the ’50s yet. He’s back in the Wee Willie Keeler days. Keeler went out in 1910. Keeler said, “…I hit ‘em where they ain’t.” Bayonne often sees things where they ain’t.
I find SRT’s comments to be both knowledgeable and on point.
in other words you agree with them.
That’s what you mean. That’s okay then.
Of course you do.. you’re going to be in disagreement with anyone who has exposed you for being a big time second guesser!
TRS86, she’s kay minus the baiting… again, they’re not my team, but bayonne and metsie have also been part numerous times of assults and insults by people here, i don’t blame them, most discussion here take the wrong way, for example just as you said this was about gorski and it turned to something else, read the first comment made here and see what i wrote again, i am praising and hoping this kid’s will.. he may not be BA or Baseball prospectus top 100, but he can be better than all those ahead of him because he has the will, something that numbers can’t tell you.. look at the great season he had, his season was 19x better than wheeler’s and yet he’s ranked ahead.. you think gorski cares? nope, because he is confident he can be better than wheeler or harvey or familia, but of course, as soon as i said front office people here ran with it,…
Right, because bringing my name up before I participate is not baiting………..
You are a piece of work…………..
Admit it – the biggest similarity between Kay and I is you don’t like either of our opinions on the state of the Mets.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Your reputation precedes you. You had the same problem over on the Empire before you were banned from there.
Y’all keep this up and Joe D might decide to institute the same policy of having to audition for the privilege of posting here. Then you’ll have to come over to TRDM to try your wares. hahaha.
‘but, having an organization and front office that doesn’t care about winning will do that to you..’
Bait.
Really Alex? So your post was just about the current topic and had no intentions of turning it into the same garbage? When was the last thread that you made no post about Sandy and his evil ways? It’s tiring.
Now back to the topic again. SRT.
Go back and find even one offensive post or one that “baits” another poster. One comment where she starts this crap, even one. Your stance on her just shows your blind loyalty to Metsie and Bay. You are pissed at her and won’t hear her out at all just because your dynamic duo don’t like her. And why do they not like her? Hell if I know? The only things I can see that they could possibly not like is that she has a different view of why we are where we are (which is perfectly rational) and she is female. For Metsie and especially Bay I can see where the latter is the problem, for you? That is kind of shocking.
DiComo makes some good points in his response. Gorski for all intents came out of nowhere with the season he had that is not to say he can’t continue to perform well. Maybe he is a late bloomer. It’s just that like you said HoJo, you want to see what he does this season.
Gorski had a breakout season no question. I hope and pray that he makes it up here and pitches well in whatever role he’s assigned.
He’s stated a number of times how much Phil Regan helped him last year, anyone know if Regan was retained? That’s a pretty big deal if you ask me,
Gorski was quite a bit older than the average FL State prospect and even the average age is skewed by a bunch of organization filler types so it’s actually worse than it looks. 23 vs 20 in terms of real prospects I’d guess.
The Florida St. League also has huge parks and heavy air which benefits pitchers quite a bit. In addition Gorski’s increased velocity came in part by scap loading which many pitchers do but does come with a slightly larger risk of injury and his follow through is more whip like recoil than follow through which is another red flag and there isn’t as much separation between his FB and change as you’d like.
Many prospects haven’t been able to make the transition to AA especially those that dominated A+ at an advanced age so place your bets on Gorski with those factors in mind and hope that he can beat the odds, stay healthy and keep on moving up.
I don’t recall reading anything about Regan not being retained T Agee. I am wondering with Backman and possibly his pitching coach Valdes moving to AAA if Regan may move to AA?
I think we would have heard about if he had left.
Regan still listed on their team site
OT – Let me post a question to those that hate Sandy and are convinced he’s the anti-christ. Your opinion is he did a terrible job, by your constant posts saying the exact same thing.
What now?
What are you going to do?
Are you going to stop being a fan of the NY Mets?
Are you going to write the NY Mets organization and tell them what you think?
Are you going to boycott the team, no attend games, do not buy any merchandise and stop watching anything on TV related to team, stop reading any articles about the team?
Are you going to find another team to follow?
Are you going find another hobby?
or…………..do you really think repeating the same thing every day on MMO is going to change a thing?
It’s YOUR hobby, love, obsession, it’s up to YOU how you spend your free time, what are YOU going to do about it?
I don’t know how you all feel, but these threads lately are coming dangerously close to what shut down all comments over on the Empire a few years ago.
Can everyone just look up the meaning of the word ‘Debate’ and stick to it, for crying out loud?
I agree and warned Joe about that not long ago. However, I think it is time for us to take blame in this as well. If we would stop talking with the patients then they would not continue to take over the room. Ultimately that is why many of us were banned from the Empire as well. We couldn’t help ourselves arguing with the inmates.
OK I will agree to stop feeding the bears, if you guys do.
Will do.
That would suck if it happened here. I wish some of you would just realize we’re all Mets fans.
what is the empire? can anyone please advise me of what that is? and last i checked i was banned once from mets blog for calling david wright a choker, you know, when he was an immortal, way before everyone else concieded he in fact IS A CHOKER… so.. please anyone tell me what the empire is and how i was banned from it? thank you..
The empire is a mythical place next to Tatooine where bloggers used to go to fight the sinister Core.
The empire is just what many of us call Metsblog.
Now back to your point on Wright and your history. To Matt’s defense (and if you know me you know I don’t do it often) you were never banned because you thought Wright was a choker. You were banned because of how you expressed those ideas and how every single post turned into the same discussion and the rest of us were too dumb to not be baited into those discussions resulting in all of us getting banned.
But hey the positives in that story are that it did basically cause MMO to gain posters as well as help from TRDM. So kudos to you buddy.
Should say helped form TRDM.
Do you know what formed this blog? I guess it was spring training of 2005, Cerrone put out a call looking for two writers. At the time I was SheaHeyKid. I put in for one of the spots and was pissed to learn I didn’t get the gig. I think Mike Nichols and some other guy whose name escapes me got the jobs. After steaming about it for two days my girlfriend said why dont you just start your own blog instead of spending so much time on that site. What a genius she was.
Nice. So thanks to Matt for both of our blogs.
Wright had a TOE problem, i said, slow news day… next thing you know… GONE!!!!
We are all a part of that club. I kept criticizing him for posting 7 player lineup cards and really bad spelling mistakes. A little professionalism is not a lot to ask but hey what do I know.
So hey, we all have something in common!
Yeah, most of us were there Alex but you have to have grown up from then and realize now why Matt shut the comment section down and not only banned you and your mythical group but the others who combated you as well.
I’M SORRY; BUT AM I THE ONLY ONE THINKING GORSKI WAS APTLY DESCRIBING THE REASON FOR HIS SUCCESS AS WELL AS EXPLAINING THE CAUSE FOR THE MISERY WE’VE ALL TOO OFTEN EXPERIENCED AT THE PITCH SELERCTIONS OF PELFREY, MAINE OR HEILMAN?
IT WOULD APPEAR WE WERE OVER DUE FOR A SUCCESS IN THE “CONFIDENCE GAME” KNOWN AS NYM PITCHING SELECTIONS. NO WONDER THEY REFER TO THEM AS “AMAZING”