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2012
Who Is The Mets’ Best Offseason Acquisition?
An article by 72MetsFan
No, there were no big, splashy signings this offseason, but we did manage to sign some useful players that could help the Mets be very competitive in 2012.
As I look over the list of new additions, none really jump out at me as far as who might have the biggest impact, but I do expect solid showings from a couple of the relievers we signed. Now that Sandy Alderson has said there will be no more moves affecting the 40-man roster, which new acquisition do you think will have the biggest impact this season?
Major League Acquisitions
Ramon Ramirez, RP – Coming off a career year and posted a 2.62 ERA, 1.16 WHIP and a 8.7 K/9 rate.
Andres Torres, CF – Batted .221 in 2011 after a career year in 2010 (.268, 16 HR, 63 RBI).
Jon Rauch, RP – Coming off his worst season since rookie year, 4.85 ERA/1.36 WHIP.
Frank Francisco, RP – Got $12M to be closer for next two seasons, but has 21 blown saves in 70 career save opportunities.
Ronny Cedeno, 2B/SS – Known mostly as a defensive specialist, Cedeno will serve as primary backup to Ruben Tejada.
Scott Hairston, OF/2B – Hairston returns for an encore after a good season coming off the bench for the Mets.
Minor League Acquisitions
Rob Johnson, C – Career .197 hitter in parts of five seasons.
Omar Quintanilla, 2B/SS – Solid defense, but weak bat.
Miguel Batista, SP – Had a nice September for the Mets last season, but at 41, what does he have left in the tank?
Jeff Stevens, RP – Hasn’t had a great showing in the major leagues, minor league fodder?
Mike Baxter, OF – Had some moments for Mets in 2011, might have inside track on 5th outfielder spot.
Chuck James, SP/RP – At this point he might be the emergency starter for the Mets along with Chris Schwinden.
Garrett Olson, SP/RP – Had a solid campaign for Pirates AAA team – 3.05 ERA, 1.28 WHIP in 24 appearances.
Adam Loewen, LF – The pitcher turned outfielder batted .306 in Triple-A last season with an .884 OPS.
Vinny Rottino, C – Career .194 hitter and still trying to stick in majors at 32. I don’t see it.
I’m going to keep my fingers crossed and say Ramon Ramirez might have the biggest impact out of this group.
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Seems that Ramon Ramirez is the best of the bunch and isn’t that a pretty sad commentary regarding the state of the Mets?
He is a reliever, but Ramirez is a hell of a pitcher… I think its pretty great that we were able to snag him.
Yes, very nice player, but does that whet everyones appetite as our top addition? I think in that light, the answere is no.
MASK, I BELIEVE THE CORRET CORRELATION ID THAT THE GLASS IS HALF-FULL; BUT LEAKING FROM THE ROTATION.
Biggest addition would have to be Francisco.
Biggest chance to surprise everyone would be Torres.
Agreed. Francisco should be good in the closer role. Hopefully he’ll be a little more stable than K-Rod and a little more successful than Izzy
I have little faith he’ll be more consistent than Krod was. But of the bunch that the Mets acquired, he’s the best.
for the wilpons is sandy alderson, who slash the payroll from $140 million to $95… for the fans……. …. ….. i guess ronny cedeno for me.. call me crazy but, noone else excites me..
Lol they did not do it for the fans nor did they do it for the hell of it… they did it because they had to.
And technically, Sandy was an acquisition last year, so he can’t qualify for this years award.
Trust me, NOW is the offseason the wilpons are content with sandy… he shredded the payroll while saving the money, and was in front of the media LYING for them, guess who’s getting a nice bonus for all that??
LOL, he is not lying anywhere… Now if you want to say he is spinning things and painting a pretty picture when things are not so rosy? Uh yeah, if he didn’t he should be fired.
I’m getting franchise players…
the payroll will be at around $100-110
The Team will be competitive
3 lies right there..
It’s your own fault if you believed that.
You kno xtreem, is getting sad now.. stop it ok.. we get it, you’re in love with sandy and everything he does, but stop it man.. is getting ridiculous now.
Why is it that anyone with a different opinion than you is “in love with Sandy Alderson and wants to do all kinds of perverted acts with him”?
If you knew what was going on with the team and how it would affect baseball operations, none of this would be a surprise and you’d be able to weed through the GM politics. You can’t do that, so you must think Sandy is letting you down. It’s a simple case of not understanding the game outside the lines.
Those arent exactly lies either. It was probably the truth at the time he said it. Blame the Wilpons, not Sandy. The situation with the Wilpons getting worse everyday is why those 3 things wont happen.
Blame The Wilpons.
Can’t be said enough.
Stop shooting the messanger, which is all SA is.
The Wilpons increased payroll every year and got nowhere. Obviously with all that money they were spending, if they had hired the best baseball people for the job – top to bottom – the team wouldn’t be in the position it’s in.
Spin….
Did he say he was getting franchise players THIS off-season?
Did he say that 100-110 was ONLY the 25 man roster or the entire 40 man roster with bonuses added in? You know, like how it’s actually counted.
Did he say competitive or compete? You do know there is a difference, right?
how do u know the team won’t be competitive? they haven’t played a game yet. Is the game played on paper now?
congratulations 2011 world series champions, the Boston Red Sox.
I’m expecting Ramirez and Francisco to be fine and Rauch to have a bounce back year. The bullpen should strike a lot of guys out.
I’m very excited for Andres Torres. The guy plays really hard and seems to be a great guy off the field from all of the things I’ve read and watched about him. If he can have a bounce back year, I bet he has the demeanor and the vitality to be a great clubhouse leader.
I am excited that hopefully when Kirk is ready there will be No 2nd thoughts made when he is benched.
So from Francisco we can basically expect a blown save once every 3.5 opportunities? Not sure I like those odds.
What’s the bum’s best pitch?
Francisco is coming from the AL East to the NL East, and from hitters parks his whole career to a pitcher’s park. I think you can expect that ratio to be a little better. Biggest thing with him will be health.
Does the $100mil in cash count?
that is one ugly list right there
Of course, everything is relative here, because the Mets have not had a “good” offseason compared to their peers in MLB. But given the constraints, I think the F.O. did a pretty good job.
Ramirez was a good acquisition. Was never a Pagan fan, but I think Torres is going to be a big downgrade offensively.
I like Chuck James out of the minor league sign group as a sleeper. He’s been injured forever and is 29 now, but his flyball tendencies will play okay in that park, and he’s throwing harder now than he did before he got hurt. He has a Terry Collins-kinda-guy personality, too. I can see him showing something as a lefty reliever or 5th starter.
It does seem that there were quite a few other teams that have not made any significant moves either. A few seemed to do most of the work, and even then, a couple of teams lost as much as they added anyway.
I’m curious to see what Torres does. I’m not expecting an all-star season, but I’m interested to see how he patrols CF and if his glove makes his lack of pop worth it.
I think Ramirez has to be the #1 acquisition though.
I too am very intrigued by Loewen.
If Torres plays like advertised, so long as he’s not an automatic out, he’ll be an upgrade over Pagan.
ya, but odds of him being an automatic out are fairly significant.
Right. I’ve always maintained the view that in the NL if you have a guy who can at least hit like a big leaguer but has a good glove in CF, 2B, SS, C… you can win. You don’t need a superstar bat at every spot. Based on the way the game is now, if you have your power sources come from RF/LF/1B/3B and have guys in CF, 2B, SS, C who can handle themselves at the plate… you should be fine (assuming you have pitching)
Disgaree, Donal. In 2009-2010, he hit .269/.343/.492. That’s much better than even an automatic out. I’ll hang my hopes in his two previous seasons and call last year an anomaly. I don’t expect the 09-10 production from him this season, but I’d sign up right now for .250/.330/.420. You don’t think that’s possible?
Possible? Ya.
But I’m not going to go in expecting it.
Me too, all reports are he’s a good guy. I know we don’t need a good guy, we need a good player, but crazier things have happened. Sounds like he’s got better D, and less brain farts than Pagan, perhaps he hold his own with the bat this year.
Exactly, Kay.
1. Ramirez (ERA+ of 136 last year)
2. Francisco (ERA+ of 120 last year)
Two good moves.
Also Rauch, career ERA+ of 113 (116 since he became a regular), despite his rough year last year (bit by the longball in the AL East……not too worried about that).
You could be right. He did give up a lot of homers last year, but that could be an anomaly.
Steve, I would expect it is. A huge jump in home runs playing in the AL East? I would expect that to come down significantly playing in Citi.
And the same could be true for Francisco.
this is very nice, from the CORE for y’all:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/23032/in-depth-three-decades-of-no-1-prospects
The best part about that is “the core” looks at that and blames Baseball America. Not the Mets.
If a team’s best prospects continue to be a bust, the publication that takes information from people isn’t to blame… the system is.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/68059.html – Remember when I wrote that?
If BA was to blame they’d be “wrong” just as much with Atlanta and Philadelphia as they are with the Mets.
The FACT is the Mets have the WORST # of Top 10 players make it to the big leagues than any other NL team. Why is that? It’s not Baseball America…
When are you going to stop squeezing your nose up Alex’s ass? He post a general info link for his friends and anyone else to share, and you start instigating as you always do. Why don’t you man up and grow a pair and stop acting like a whiny weasel.
If the source you tout as PROOF of good decisionsis constantly wrong about your decisions then whose fault is that?
The fool or the fool that followed him?
You keep using BA as some benchmark of SUCCESS!
But when they are wrong you blame the team for BA’s failure not BA because you know if you DID blame BA for it would preclude you from using them as proof of just how swell a job Sandy is doing!
Really you and Xtreem both say Sandy is doing well, then when someone points out the inconsistent nature of his quotes to his actions you act as if the move is good because it HAD to be bad! Sandy had no choice but to acquire crap!
That may be true but that doesn’t mean the fact he is acquiring crap is a GOOD MOVE!
A Bad move is a BAD move no matter what conditions forced the decision!
Like the movie says..if you can’t win the game then the only winning move is not to play!
Sandy could have stuck with some of these failed kids like F-Mart and had no worse affect than compared to what he got instead!
The guys he got have no more upside for this year or next than FMart did!
Yet you applaud the alternative losers merely for the name change and call it a good move!
If one of these WORTHLESS DUMPABLE kids ever does anything in the MLB I’m sure having Torres for a year will be a GOOD move still right?
Get a clue guys..really!
Put down the pom poms and start evaluating moves for the moves, not the conditions you think forced them or the percieved failure of making a list that is wrong 57% of the time in predicting great MLB talent!
Forget for a moment how often a guy on thier list actually makes ther MLB and start counting all the guys who have NEVER made the list and go to the ALL star game!
As for the rest I will leave you and your pom poms to practice your pyramid (scheme)
So how does this list provide anything for the “Core”?
All it does is show they have made some really bad decisions. LOL. Also just because the guy is # 1 on the team’s list does not make them a top prospect in baseball.
Right but a team list to me is more valuable than top prospects in baseball. If a team continue’s to bust on their own Top 10 prospects, that says something about the development process on the farm…
If from 1997 the Mets have produced 20 less big leaguers out of their Top 10 list through 2007 than division rivals… then something is not being done right in the minor leagues.
The thing the “core” does not realize is when you have a list of busted prospects year after year after year, it does not hurt the idea of gathering young talent. It means the people who are in charge of making that kid into a big leaguer are failing.
Of course, in your eyes phillips was a failure, minaya was a failure, everyone else before sandy alderson was a failure in the front office, yet sandy somehow is a genius right????
the butt kissing of sandy alderson in this site by a few is getting ridicolous, please people, stop it.. just because sandy is into sabermetrics and uses moneyball in his methods does not guarantee wheeler and nimmo and others will be good in the majors.. for all we know they might be bust as well, then what will you say jesseP?? stop this seriously, for somebody who’s 22 years old and claim to know baseball you should know when to shut up and let others talk about the mets in the past.. you have no idea what it was like in the late 70′s and early 80′s.. you’redisrespect for others GM of this franchise just so you can praise the WORST GM i have ever seen on this franchise is getting a little be weird.. stop it ok..
Alex: Why does everything for you have to become a reason to knock Alderson? Nowhere in my post did I even mention his name nor did I mention Minaya or Phillips.
Little known fact apparently… the GMs do not develop the talent. I said the problem was in DEVELOPMENT not in DRAFTING. The guys who are instructors, coaches etc… that is the problem. Plus the trainers have to keep these kids healthy. It’s a collective failure, yet you jump on the “you love sandy” train because that is all you ever do when a failure in the past is pointed out.
BTW, I do love how over the last few months you’ve made me younger and younger. A few weeks ago you said I was 26 I think? Today I’m 22. This is awesome.
I want to be younger. How can I get in on that?
Dont forget giving up 1st round picks for the likes of Alou, Wagner, Bay etc etc
Again, Alex you try to lump everyone in the same category. You have been around me long enough to know that I thought Omar was doing a good job. It took me stepping away to see the mess that was created.
As for Sandy, I have not even made my mind up yet. How could you? He’s been here a little over a year and the team was in shambles financially when he got here with bloated contracts and an under performing team. Based on one year, I think he has done ok. Not a super star by any means. I would like to see a little more trade activity and maybe a few more chances taken BUT I also understand that just like those who used to get on Omar all the time… we know very little as fans about what is actually going on in the front office and thus until Sandy is gone it is impossible to say if he will have done his job.
But doesn’t it also point to the potential of poor scouting and drafting to start with?
Youn know, this was a list i provided so people can see it and comment, instead the biggest duuushe and my biggest rival take it upon themselves to criiticize it, don’t read a link i post next time if you 2 are gonna be b***** about it o9k… i did it as a favor for MMO, how about being civilize and saying wow thank Alex68 instead creating a gd debate about it…
So you post a link and want nobody to discuss it?
Tell me Alex, why post the link? What do you think about that list? We’re rivals now? You have a warped sense of reality when it comes to a Mets forum…
You want ME to take you seriously and think you have no motive behind your comments… stop calling yourself the “Core” like it is some kiddie superhero show around here. We are all just average ole Mets fans there is no damn “Core”.
Core…Core… Core… you don’t like it, ohhh welll.. what are you gonna do??? go to joe D and tell on me?? please
Did that really just happen?
Yes. Yes it did. Why it happened? Cuz Alex is in 5th grade lol
From what I’ve been reading, this goes on everyday on here.
There is that handful here who take every opposing opinion personally, instead of at face value for just what it is……an opposing opinion.
Agreed. It’s tiring because as soon as you post an opinion different you are then accused of being Sandy’s secret lover.
It goes on here because some mmo writers cant resist throwing gas on the fire. I’ve complained about this a dozen times. Jessep runs around with his head on fire and ignites most of the problems on this site. He is always a part of the problem and usually the start of it. He has this creepy obsession with Alex that is the stuff of legend here.
Maniac: Give it a rest.
I’ve given it a rest, you’re the one who needs to. You single-handedly ruined these threads and will continue to demolish them until every one is just a drunken free for all with no interactive debate the way it used to be. The way this site grew in the first place before you and the other instigators and snarkers came along. You’re nose is so deep up Alex’s ass you may be the first link in a human centipede.
You hang in there Maniac.
so, threats of blanket parties are what you consider interactive debate?
Ya, it was really creepy when jessep kept begging alex for a date.
Wait, that isn’t what happened…
Maniac, thanks my friend, but don’t bother…
Oh my friend Maniac – when did you stop thinking for yourself and put up blinders. You are not paying attention.
No it just makes your post ridiculous. Why are you trying to play sides all the time and make groups? Why not come on and take each comment based on it’s own merit? It makes you sound foolish. I have said this plenty of times, you are your own worst enemy. You want people to listen to your opinions at face value, without bias. Yet you run around like you are 10 years old and call your self by some nickname that no one even understands to start with…
I mean seriously, what the hell is a core? The core of an apple? The core of the earth?
same TRS86, why does it bother you??? you know, at the beginning i thought you had change, and i even gave you the benefit of the doubt, but i see you still the same DB from metsblog who tries to control what others do… memo to you, everyone is entitle to do as they like and please, this a’int your blog when you can tell others what to use and what not to use, again, trying to be the alpha dog when there’s plenty of us here like that, stop thinking you’re better than anyone because you know have some idiots follow your same thinking..
Alex why does it bother you so much when I try to tell you to grow up? Hmmm could it be the same reason it bothers me that anytime I post an opinion someone says it’s because I am slurping on Sandy or some other immature comment.
Again, if you want an average commenter that does not play sides to take you seriously then the core stuff does not help at all. However, if you want just a few cronies that no average poster respects to agree with you and make other inappropriate remarks then go ahead. Lower yourself to that.
If anything since the beginning you know I have always tried to get the best out of you not try to change your mind.
no, TRS86 is my rival, you’re the dusssheee… and i did not post the link to discuss it, if i wanted to discussed it i would’ve made a comment about it.. i posted it because i thought it was a nice find.. but tell me jesse, what would you like me to say??? what exactly is it that you wanna debate this time?? i don’t see you getting on CRAIG everytime he post an article to butt kiss alderson.. be consistent ok..
Wow, so you wanted us to read it but not comment on it? Wow, so if I posted a link to something you would not make a comment based on what you read?
At least you aren’t a “dusssheee”, so you got that going for you.
You can comment all you like, i don’t care, i am not saying not to discuss it or debate all you want. just there’s basically nothing to say about that.. other than reyes,gooden and straw, everyone else on that list has been a BUST.. thank you BA, the end…
Alex, again you said you had no motive but then it comes out in the end. I did not notice but where were each of these players ranked in terms of baseball? Again, just because BA ranks them the Mets best prospect does not make them one of baseball’s best prospects.
and where did i say that??? i have often said BA is as much as fault as everyone else for ranking this kids yet take no blame.. that’s all.. i posted the link and you and that other idiot ran with it just to start a debate…
Right. So BA to you is at fault for the Mets turning prospects into big leaguers… even though in the last 10 years the Mets are LAST in doing that… how come BA isn’t bad at predicting Braves, Phillies or Diamondbacks?
Baseball America isn’t to blame for Mets Top 10 prospects busting more often than not… the Mets are.
You are missing my point. Just because BA ranks Fmart #1 on the Mets list does not mean that he is anywhere near a top prospect in baseball. The only thing it shows, and often it has with the Mets, is how low their system is that their best prospect is ranked #77 in the majors.
How does the list pertain to this article though?
ramirez, with Loewan as a dark horse as a productive lefty bat (and bay platoon partner).
I agree that Loewen could be a find. However, I am going to agree with Bayonne (I feel dirty) that Bay is not being platooned ANY time soon. He would have to do even worse than the last 2 years for them to even consider it. Even then it would not be until August.
I agree he won’t be platooned, but for another reason. He has no trade value as a part-time player. If he has 14 jacks and a .270 average by July 31, that’s some money saved right there when he’s traded. He’s going to play the full year this season, unless he’s just so utterly miserable.
Yup, hell if anything bat the guy 2nd and tell him to stop worrying about hitting the ball out and just make contact with the ball.
don’t forget about the 2014 option. No chance that is vested if they can’t trade him 9and the odds of that are very, very low).
And look at it this way. Is it going to be easier to trade him with a .300 BA, even if he is doing it all vs. LHP?
anyway, I am sure he will get a little time, but if after a month or so he will at minimum start getting regular days off to stay “fresh”, and conveniently they will be vs. RHP. And start increasing in frequency.
but based on his splits the last 2 years, he is screaming out for it.
I’d have to go with Ramirez.
Why cant we all give Sandy some more time before crucifying him? Hes is handcuffed by a situation he has no control over, and said situation gets worse everyday. People make it like he wanted to shred 45-50 million off the payroll. He was forced on the Mets by Selig to fix the Mets, and that wont happen in an offseason or 2. Lets cut the guy some slack and hope he fixes the Mets and not argue over why he sucks or why he is great.
Honestly, I cant stand this site lately. I cant stand how a couple of writers burn out every thread and I’m thinking now that it’s done with some purpose to it to attract more traffic. I’ve tried to maintain a low profile for the last few months and I even see Bayonne has stopped insulting people and doing right, but the so-called do-gooders like jessep and donal keep littering each thread with snark and then pull back and smell like a rose after the damage is done. The only reason I still come here is because MetsBlog blows and this site is the lesser of two evils.
Maniac: I don’t insult people, I don’t threaten them and I don’t do anything except discuss topics in blogs or in the comment section. Your attempts to try and drag my name through the mud are just sad.
If you don’t like what I say, and cannot handle a discussion about it, then don’t type back to me and don’t read what I say. If you (or anybody) want to say things that are untrue, bias, or that I just disagree with, then I am going to reply.
Stop trying to make it like MMO community cannot exist without you commenting. We’ve been doing just fine, and will continue to do so.
Yes Jessep, I can see how fine you are doing in the last three months without me. The quality is shining through. That’s you’re fantasy and ego talking. The truth is everyday I read comments about how bad these threads suck lately. What have you done to improve that? Tell me how you have improved the discourse on MMO? You’re full of it and you know it. You 3ant to be ignored and yet you cant ignore Alex or Bayonne or me even though we asked you dozens of times. You’re the downfall of this site. That’s not a lie it’s the truth. You have no respect for anyone but yourself and you insult anyone who disagrees with you so don’t act like you’re innocent. You’re also a weasel who loves to cry foul when someone speaks out against you but are perfectly comfortable doing the same to others.
It’s weird because just last night Joey D and I had a discussion about Billy Beane, and it seemed to go pretty well. I guess that is what happens when the start of your reply is not “ur such a douchseeeeee”
But I’m the problem. I got it. Thank you Maniac, this guest appearance was thrilling.
It really is odd that at one point or another, I have had disagreements with most of the regulars here, but only the same 4 or 5 have the need to be insulting. And they are the same 4 or 5 that have the same problem with a lot of other people.
Ya, it must be my fault..
Yes, Bayonne and alex post about how bad this place has become everyday. And of course, if someone posts it on the internet, it must be true.
Donal: I guess yesterday I imagined logging on to read a column about Fernando Martinez only to see the 2nd comment written “Jayson stark is the JesseP of reporters,”
which I think was meant to be an insult but I’ll gladly accept it.
I guess that’s my fault though. I shouldn’t have said… nothing?
Maniac, is amazing, just because i posted a link about all the so called #1 prospect from the mets and calling myself the CORE can cause a catastrophy in this site… on this one i did not even use the words sandy alderson suck and i get heat about it.. LOL, is getting comical man.. i understand why all the good writers who were objective and all the good people we used to debate with have gone away, it is not about winning now, is about saving money, try to be competitive, draft picks and sandy alderson now adays…
So you are saying that it is not true that with 90% of your post you are not making a comment about Sandy Alderson? Hmmm, if I had time I would play that game. I would bet the over on 75% of your comments.
Maniac – you and I used to have great discussions via the chat room. However, you are putting up blinders, if you think Donal and Jessep are the guilty ones here. EVERY response by your friend Alex68 “you’re a sandy lover, butt kisser, the core” etc…..Bayonne insults every post I make with sexist remarks and that’s just me, he insults almost everyone else that doesn’t agree.
No reason we should all agree, by why can’t a response by “I disagree because of Point A, Point B and Point C”, not “You are a dusshee, sandy lover etc…..”
Come on
Kay, seriously, what is your obsession with me and bayonne??? i know you’re trying to bait me the same way you’ve done others here, but give it a rest ok.. you never come here to discuss baseball. you only come in to try and bait me or bayonne into responding something offensive to you so you can go to joe D and use the he insults female excuse to get us banned, it is not happening and is not gonna work.. everyone in here knows i do not like jesseP, this aint no secret.. hell, JOE D knows i don’t like him, i don’t even comment on his articles anymore, i suggest for the 10000 time, comment for once about baseball and leave me and bayonne out of it.. your obsession is getting really weird..
Clueless as usual
So tell me what you come here to discuss Alex? It appears you come here to make sure no one says anything positive about anything.
If I say, man Fmart sure did fall from grace… you comment something about Sandy.
If I say, I like Wheeler and think he was a good pickup for Beltran… Sandy.
If I say, the Wilpons are in deep crap because they mis-mananged their money and spent to make the fans happy… Sandy.
trs: The funny thing is… and I truly believe this is true
Lets say Wheeler makes it to the bigs.
There are people here who will root against him or just hope he fails just because he was acquired by Alderson. People like our friend above in this discussion want Nimmo to be a bust.
I don’t think people who are “pro-Alderson” look at guys like Harvey and hope he fails…
iTRS86, i have not say one bad thing about wheeler, you think he’s a good pick up and like him i respect your opinion, i think he’s not gonna be as good and i love familia and harvey, plain and simple, but i have stated MANY TIMES that i hope all 3 become studs as well as fulmer, hell, even eric niese i got hope for still.. go figure.. i root for every met regardless of what i say, you think i really go to games to root against david wright? no, but what i don’t get is why is it ok for others to worship wright but if love reyes and not wright as much then i’m a hater, i state the obvious, he’s a KNOWN choker, but you should know that since the metsblog days right? i respect everyone’s opinion, but when ppl try to shove sandy alderson beign a genius down everyone’s throat then the debates starts…
No Alex, you are a lumper. Have I EVER said Sandy was a genius? Nah, but I get lumped in anyway. Also you points on David Wright show so much bias that it is impossible to take any of them seriously. Other than your bias eyes ou have yet to provide anything other a handful of AB’s to provide your point on Wright yet you ignore the obvious that over his career Wright has been much more “clutch” than Reyes has ever been. Of course that is based on another evil, stats.
No, Bayonne and alex still insult people.
And I am not responsible for the actions of others. If a grown adult cannot refrain from insulting, threatening and demeaning people, than that grown adult has serious issues that need to be addressed.
You had your chance to do something about the snark and insults, but you decided to join in and then go into hiding.
This is astonishing. Thanks to those of you who stayed on topic.
72, thanks for the article and my apologies if i somehow was the cause for this, it was not my cause it, i simply posted an article sharing it with people, and quickly jessP and TRS turned it into some form of debate.. my apologies for ruining a good article..
Again, don’t lump me in with Jessup just because I disagree with you. I don’t share many of his opinions at all. I made a comment on your article knowing you had a motive for publishing it. Then when I commented on it you got offended, said there was no motive and then posted your motive…
i got offended??? i got offended because you started talking sh** about the CORE, and see how you seem to have a problem with it, disagree with me on what? that i posted a link because i thought it was a nice article and thats’ it? i had no intentions whatsoever to start a debate about prospects or anything.. you 2 ran with it and made assumptions about a simple article..
Alex, as I said earlier… there is no core. I hate to bust that bubble but it does not exist. It’s like saying I am a millionaire… it’s fun to pretend but it does not exist.
Now back to reality. You said you had no motive behind the link, yet right below it you are blaming BA. Which is it?
so because you said there is no core i should stop saying the CORE? LMAO, you’re pathetic.. move on bro, i see you reverted back to your DB ways.. i am not trying to get baited to be banned.. joe D warn me to stay away from baiters ..
You can say it all you want… go ahead. I can’t prevent you. I had this little imaginary friend when I was 4. His name was Daggie and he looked like the Rice Krispy guys. I thought I needed to have a girl so it morphed into Daggie Boy and Daggie Girl. One time when we were going on vacation my parents said that those two imaginary friends had to stay home because their parents would not let them go. When I got back from vacation they no longer existed…
I hope you are not planning on a vacation anytime soon.
The CORE will keep that in mind…
well, this thread is what MMO has become in a nutshell.
100+ comments, and only about 10 (at most) that have anything to do with the topic, or actual baseball conversation. The rest would make a bunch of 5th graders on the playground embarrassed to hear.
Is my fault for posting a link about the #1 prospect we’ve had in our organization.. and for saying the CORE..
What is this Core stuff you keep repeating?
Don’t worry about it… keep it moving…
Not worried about it, just a passing interest….And it passed.
So now theyre coming after you for saying the core? Some people have too much time on their hands. Can I get a salute?
Hey, he can say it all he wants. I am just trying to let him know it does not exist.
Umm I dont know how long you been commenting on MMO, but I’ve only recently noticed you so who are you to say the CORE doesn’t exist? It existed years before Jessep and Donal came on the scene. Want to know what it means and when it started? It was the dozen or so of us who left MetsBlog and came here because we kept having our comments deleted for mocking Cerrone when he championed Wright for captain, and for calling him out when he’d make wild claims and then delete those posts when he got called out. Most of the Core had been banned more than once over the years for simply disagreeing with the chosen one. That’s how Cerrone chose to insult those that disagreed with him. So when all of us started commenting here and recognized each other from MB we’d refer to ourselves as the core. So dont say something doesnt exist when you dont even know what it is, how it started and what it meant. If this is your big beef with Alex it must be a cover story for something else.
Hey Alex, the core salutes you!
Maniac, it has been explain here many times and STILL this people got a problem with me using it.. i just let them be.. the guy who got banned the most and i am sure you remember was DWRIGHTUNCLUTCH5… lmao, man, he is the one missing here, he used to sh** on TRS86… either way, maniac, bayonne, kmaxx, omar, and everyone here, the CORE wishes you a good Weekend
I really don’t get why you get so much discussion over the core stuff Alex. I mean TRS is a longtime member of the core and doesn’t even know it.
Oops sorry Jersey, I didnt realize you were still in. LOL
hahaha, MNJ, good one… he misses the salutes… i’ll pop one in one of this days…
Even Shamsky, Jimmy, and a few that jessep banned were part of the core. Heck we even considered Mr. North Jersey one of us until he abdicated after Sandy Alderson became GM and became enamored with Donal and Jessep. lol
So, the Core has less to do with Metsblog and more to do with one mind, one opinion, one view
Interesting.
HAHAHA, Kmaxx, you know, the CORE salutes you and is with you.. i’m like the trending person here, just to say the words CORE and sandy creates a hurricane in this blog…
And I’m more than happy to be a member of the CORE!
Hey, then maybe you can tell me what the hell it is? I have been asking Alex for years and he can’t tell me. Other than anyone that agrees with him, he responds with it.
trs: from what I can gather the core is a small, (very small) group of individuals who got booted from metsblog and blame metsblog for their dismissal rather than their own actions. Also, in order to be in the core you must say outlandish things, and insult people and claim they worship an old man simply because he signs a player to a minor league contract and you do NOT flip out about it
It’s simply what Alex uses to recognize those from back in the days b4 cerrone became the official mets blog that he banned mainly for disagreeing with him.
there is not much more to it than that. Alex uses it for the longest time and has explained it often. It is just something Alex likes to use but all it is is what I said. It’s just some seem to think it means more despite Alex having explained what it is often times.
MNJ, he uses it to give his insane ramblings some kind of perceived authority. When he uses it, he is attempting to speak for people who have yet to say they wanted that.
The way he explains it is not how he uses it.
Donal, that is how some want to interpret it as but the truth is it is what I said and nothing more except maybe when people want to read it as more but if you simply accepted it for what it is I don’t see why anyone would care so much over him using it.
Its not that people get mad or anything. It is more amusement. Like I said, he doesn’t use it the way you explained it.
He’s using it to speak for people who didn’t as him to to try and push his views as having some sort of authority. It is a sad little attempt to bully people.
I don’t get mad over it. It actually makes me pity the boy.
The way Maniac describes it bellow, it sounds more like a cult.
I should add that Alex saying “the Core salutes you” doesn’t mean he is speaking for me and Alex would be the 1st to tell this. It is just something he gets a kick in doing maybe even more because of some of the reactions it gets I don’t know. Still him saying it is not code for something anyone should get worked up over in my opinion.
Now may the force be with you, Na-noo Na-noo and goodnight.
Leave it to the weasel to even inject himself here and toss around even more insults. I guess you really are a dooooosh.
jessep you must have been dropped on your head when you were born. You dont have to gather you asswipe, it’s already been explained you doooosh.
is that the interactive debate you want to have?
You stay classy, Maniac.
Wow lots of revisionists here. The core was a phrase Alex was using on Metsblog long before any of us were banned and I asked him then to define it and he could not do it then either.
As luck would have it I just explained what it was up above. Maybe someday the core will salute you, but I dont think so. From what I can gather, you and Cerrone are very alike. lol
Hey Bayonne, what the heck happened to Brooklyn? Did he disappear again?
Hey Maniac,
Brooklyn hardly ever commented out here and just kept it to the shoutbox but now with that gone guess we’ll see him even less. And now that I know what the Core means I’m glad to be an “honorary member” if you will
LMAO… bayonne. there’s plenty of room there my friend… it seems it bothers people here for no reason…
It’s a social site with a side of Baseball. I certainly can’t wait for the season to start where we can start complaining about batting orders and pitch selection and stuff like that.
maybe if the social side was actually social? I like off topic as much as anyone, but don’t care for mean and nasty taunts and insults.
Keeping Seelig as Commish.
I get sick every time I read about it…. Especially after the endorsement he gave the Wilpons /: *gags*
whoever replaces Wayne Hagan
Careful, it might be Jim Duquette.
I think it’s hilarious that all these newbies here get so bent out of shape over saying the core. Sofa King Wee Todd It.
that is some good interactive debate.
Donal, you keep quiet parrot, youve already proven you like the status quo so dont pretend you want to clean things up. Youre a fraud.
Oh ya, this is some real baseball talk.
I feel like I’m watching a WWE promo between two rival groups lmao. Thanks for the entertainment
DX vs The Corporation haha!
Rauch, Ramirez & Francisco to me are the best acquisitions. Rauch has had better seasons than last year and I think he will be solid in the bullpen. Ramirez though I did not see him pitch should fit nicely and be a quality arm. Francisco as a closer, I will just keep my fingers crossed. Another lefty in the pen and a righthanded bat with pop and can play multiple positions beside 1st & the OF, would be nice. How about Edwin Jackson for the rotation?