If you’re looking at the early 1980s and saying “why can’t Alderson do what Cashen did” then you’re just living in the past and not in reality.

If anything, if you believe Minaya used sabr (which I am sure to some degree he did but less than most) then your beef is with the folks who are pretending that Alderson brought sabermetrics to Flushing and attack anybody who looks at a stat and labels them “saber heads” because they cannot keep up with a healthy debate with those folks.

Didn’t think so. Thanks for the entertainment though.

And the only people who refer to “moneyball” as a strategy or a philosophy are usually the ones trying to build a strawman to take down new ideas.

I understand what a Country Club MLB is. that has nothing to do with the fact that Lewis needed a villain for his book and Fuson fit the role. Even Lewis has inferred this. All the actual evidence (ie people who were there) points to a pretty decent relationship. Yes, Fuson didn’t understand or perhaps like the methods Beane was attempting, but they met each other half way, like any group of professionals.

Sabermetrics has nothing to do with cost per win. That was used well before sabermetrics became vogue. Sabermetrics is deeper statistical analysis than traditionally used. And I’m well aware it is used by every team.

I have no idea why you needed to capitalize that you wrote here 2 years ago. Did you think that would change the fact that you are wrong and acting pretentious?

“That is my view points and if you don’t like it, when you accrue some wisdom”

Wow, so if I don’t agree with what you say, I need to go accrue some wisdom? As if you being factually wrong isn’t the problem? Maybe I would have a better chance to understand what you were “truly trying to say” if you did a better job of saying it.

The problem isn’t that I see everything in black or white, or that I don’t understand fluidity and dynamics in an industry.

The problem is you just made a bad post.

I’m a proponent of gathering the most information possible to help you make an educated decision. I’m a proponent of not giving up everything for a 3 year window of success.

If you tell me a GM is only looking at a stat sheet with sabermetrics and making decisions on personnel based on that, and that alone… I will gladly tell you he is doing something wrong.

This idea that I have to be a certain age though to understand front office baseball is a little absurd.

The best baseball front offices in today’s era are ones who incorporate all measures of baseball personnel and be able to sustain a credible farm system while winning at the big league level. That includes sabermetrics. If some people here were GMs they’d be working on typewriters because “they worked in the past just fine” while other teams pass them by because of their willingness to expand on “what they know.”

I don’t come here and tout xFIP or UZR or even WAR when I talk about which players I like, so telling ME that I am a big proponent of sabermetrics is laughable. I just don’t cover my eyes and ears and scream to the heavens when somebody tells me they use it.

People mock the use of sabr stats and then choose to ignore the fact that GM’s who win championships use them. Just because you use them doesn’t mean you know how to use them. If one guy constantly fails using saber stats that doesn’t mean they don’t work. It just means he’s not good at it. Just like if 1 scout is better than another at finding talent, it doesn’t mean scouting doesn’t work.

“Maybe you’re too young to…” Is something pretentious people say to put down opposing ideas so they don’t actually have to address the issue. jessup’s or anyone’s age is immaterial. The only currencies here are ideas and the ability to articulate them.

Also, Beane didn’t fire Fuson. In fact, they had a pretty good working relationship. Michael Lewis needed someone to personify the opposition to Beane’s methods for the book and Fuson got the shaft. Both Beane and Fason have said what a disservice the book did to him.

Beane and Depodesta both worked with the scouts and Depo even went to a scout training school. The biggest opponent to the traditional scouts was in fact Ricciardi, the former player who became a scout. He saw the inside of the system and where he thought the problems were.

Fuson wasn’t fired. He left Oakland of his own accord and got a good offer in Texas. He was supposedly going to be next in line for the GM job, but Tom Hicks renegged on that promise and forced Fuson out in 2004. In 2005, he went to work in San Diego for…guess who.

And guess where Fuson went after San Diego. Ya, he hated and was disrespected by Beane so much, he is working for him again.

As for your accusaitons on Alderson

1) His As team had 2 confirmed hitters on PEDs

2) Those teams won with pitching

3) If you thin kthere were on 2 guys in MLB using steroids in the 1980s, then I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

4) The Padres’ ownership refuses to spend money.

5) jessep is in fact not a proponent of sabermetrics, so you have no idea what he or anyone else thinks.