http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/reds-francis-agree-to-deal.html

Again a flat out LIE by this deceiving piece of filth.

This was about OBP being used in evaluating Pujols and Fielder and I’m saying you don’t need it. HR & RBI is better to use in evaluating those guys and for the 3rd or 4th time i’m going to say if both those guys OBP stayed the same but you cut their HR & RBI in half. Fielder is not on Det and Pujols is not on DET

Those guys were signed to hit the long ball and drive in runs. The fact that they both have good eyes at the plate and one rarely K’s is a by-product of their naturally born talent.

Also I said here BEFORE this piece of lying filth posted the Jerry DiPoto article that those guys probably had good eyes their entire lives. Then we read Jerry DiPoto say the same thing I say when he said:

“And there’s a good chance that the guys who are doing that in the big leagues always had that trait.”

and when talking about Bobby Abreu’s mentoring of young players he said:

“Dipoto said he isn’t convinced that patience can be taught at the major-league level”

Which is what I always say here all the time practically.
But this little man doesn’t post that. He just likes to trick people and deceive. He likes to play with words and wastes everybody’s time with numbers games and semantics games.

But that’s what the internet does, it enables debates to be thrown into all different kinds of directions by people who use the internet and copy & paste to be deceitful, trickery, and play games and to try and take people’s words out of context and use them against them. And the perfectly describes this painful rectal itch because i tell you one thing he wouldn’t be doing this in real life – his arguments would be shot down in 2 seconds

And as I also said in other posts, I have not turned a blind eye to the finances Alderson has to work with. I read the same info you do and am fully aware of it. He’s still, IMO, doing a lousy job, his evaluation is terrible and I happen to think he is not trying his best to win and instead is looking to fill any hole he can as cheap as possible with only a very, very miniscule eye on trying to compete. He’s not.

You chose to believe that Reyes would not have re-signed. I and may others believe otherwise. Alderson has a terrible personality and another GM may have spent the money differently and maybe would have wanted Reyes to be a part of the future and therefore would have made corresponding moves to do so.

I think you are the one that is not seeing the full picture.

For specific instances, your HR/RBI only theory is just silly. And it is the “only” portion of that statement I’m talking about. Looking up someone’s BA/HR/RBI stats does not give you the whole story. Yes, a it is an indicator, but it is not the end all to say how a batter is. Just like the OBP and other stat head acronyms that there are don’t tell the whole story. Refusal to believe that the other stats are useful is wrong. (side note: stat heads who only look at OBP or OPS are wrong too.)

Also, regarding the current front office and the current situation they are in, you turn a blind eye on the ability to spend, or lack there of, that they have. Yes, I will agree with you that some of Alderson’s choices are not correct. But I do believe that given the 40+ mil that the team used to have in the budget, Sandy’s choices would be radically different, so re-signing Reyes, taking a run at CJ Wilson or Creme Buerhle or whomever would have been on his radar. It’s the absolute refusal to understand that this plays a factor that drives most here batty. And if it ticks you off that he said it was a priority to sign Reyes, yet didn’t put forth an offer… Did you really want him to say, “nah, we’re broke, we’ll pass”?

What examples are you referring to? This I would like to see because I know you are digging your own grave here. Guarantee it.

There wasn’t any Fielder/Willingham debate, it was just a trick.

And I just did them same thing with my examples. Like in my 2nd example, if I didn’t tell you who the 2 players were, you would have said you’d rather have player A(Draic Barton) over player B(Ichiro).

vs. the magical H.R.Pufnstuf land where your ideas formulate?

I compliment your passion, but man, oh, man (or woman, oh, woman, for you ladies), you not only miss the target with your arrow sometimes, you shoot a person or 2 in the crowd.

In 2009 Kubel had a better season than 2011 Cruz. You brought up that comparison and sorry but I’d take Kubel 09 over Cruz ’11 so I’m not sure you did what you wanted to do there.

In the Fielder/Willingham debate I would take Fielder’s season over Willingham… so you missed on your comparison I’m afraid

Kubel: 154 H 35 dubs 28 HR 103 RBI .300 avg .369 OBP .539 SLG
Cruz: 125 H 28 dubs 29 HR 87 RBI .263 avg .312 OBP .509 SLG

Are you saying Kubel 09 wasn’t a better hitter than Cruz 11?

Kubel hit mostly 4th/5th that year, Cruz hit 5/6.

You know why your Daric Barton/Ichiro argument is flawed. So I won’t even bother wasting my time

Player A 28HR’s .369 OBP

Player B 29HR’s .312 OBP

Player A is Kubel’s 2009 season, and player B is Cruz’s 2011 season – So, Jason Kubel > Nelson Cruz.

Here’s another good one:

Player A 10 HR’s .393 OBP

Player B 8 HR’s .381 OBP

Player A is Daric Barton’s 2010 season, and player B is Ichrio’s 2001 MVP season – So, Barton > Ichrio.

I love playing with numbers.

Every single word you post is based on what you have read. That’s how you learn. You don’t have any inate or developed knowledge of the game. You’re a fan who does a lot of reading and there’s nothing wrong with that. But don’t try to compete where you can’t. Oh and btw i get the benign insults you throw at me – insults nonetheless but that’s okay, i won’t ask for you to be banned but you want me banned because i shove whatever knowledge you have right back into your face so you can get a better look at it – only then maybe you’ll learn something about baseball and LESS about finances.

If you’re gonna actually sit there and tell me that, and believe what the hell you are saying than you guys are deeper into your own fantasy stat world than I ever imagined.

I GUARANTEE you that if Pujols OBP was always the same but he had half the HRs and RBIs – he’s not an Angel.

This conversation is so lame and so indicative of the lack of knowledge and perverted sense of priorities in baseball that these stat geeks bring to the table it’s embarrassing for them and they are the last to know it. And another thing, this K rate thing about Pujols just happens to be the type of hitter he always was and was probably like that in high school too – his entire life. It is not and SHOULD NOT BE any reason to sign him to that contract – all that is is a by product of the fantastic and unique hitter that Pujols is and NOTHING to do with any scientific or enlightening finding by any saber type of thinking.

If his HRs and RBIs are not up to par Pujols is not given that contract and not playing for the Angels.

And the OBP part, sure he can value it, but the example given was him talking about young players not major leaguers. He said the same thing I said – that players who have good eyes ALWAYS had it