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2012
Nationals Add Brad Lidge To A Strong Bullpen
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The Nationals have agreed to sign free agent right-hander Brad Lidge to a one-year deal worth a guaranteed $1 million plus incentives, the team has announced.
Lidge, 35, posted a 1.40 ERA last season, but was limited to 25 games due to shoulder problems, and he ended up losing his closer’s job to Ryan Madson.
However, he did save 27 games and had a 2.96 ERA for the Phillies in 2010, and in his ten-year career he has a 3.44 ERA to go with a very impressive 12.1 K/9 rate.
The Nationals, who finished a surprising 80-81 last season, are making a lot of noise this offseason and after years of rebuilding they are seemingly going for it.
Yesterday, newly acquired starter Gio Gonzalez had this to say:
“We’re ready, we’re going to come out here swinging for the fans and we’re definitely going to go out there and try to shut teams down,”
The Nationals also expect to have 2009 No. 1 overall draft pick Stephen Strasburg heading the rotation for a full season and the addition of Lidge will add experience to a strong bullpen headed by closer Drew Storen and setup man Tyler Clippard.
This was a great signing for the Nationals and he could pay off big for them.
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Fantastic signing for the Nats. Brad Lidge for only 1 million + incentives. Meanwhile the broke Mets led by Mr. Wonderful – The Almighty, Omnipotent Sandy Alderson signs Frank Francisco for 2 YEARS at 12 million.
Why does it always have to be so negative? The Mets acquired 3 very good bullpen arms this year and now we’re complaining they didn’t sign Brad Lidge who just basically took a deal to get a job it looks like.
Lidge appeared in 25 games last year due to a shoulder injury and in 2010 he had an elbow injury that kept him out of action. He had 1 amazing year in 2008, but other than that why are you so upset?
By the way, Francisco has been healthy each of the last 5 years and is 3 years YOUNGER than Lidge.
I’m not sure why the Nats getting Lidge forces you or anybody to be so upset with the Mets commiting to a 2 year deal with a closer (when you want them to win)
3 very good bullpen arms”
REALLY????? VERY GOOOD????? for someone who’s always screaming about WHIP for relievers go and take a look at theirs.. or does that only applied to the guys omar had and not sandy’s guys???
Well Alex, I consider the following: A they are very good at what they do and are historically very healthy. That doesn’t mean they can’t get injured but all you can do is use health history.
Secondly, the bullpen was the #1 weakness on the 2011 Mets. So if you want to use WHIP only, then here you go
2011: KRod WHIP with Mets: 1.406
2011: Francisco WHIP with Jays: 1.32
2011: Iagarashi 1.84, Carrasco 1.68, Acosta 1.38, Parnell 1.47, Byrdak 1.41, Beato 1.28
Jon Rauch 2011: 1.34
Ramon Ramirez: 1.16
I’d say those 3 relievers who are very good at what they do, are upgrades on what was the biggest weakness in 2011…
right, biggest weakness because sandy messed with success, the bullpen was our biggest strenght and mr know it all dismantled it to save cash to the wilpon, while some of you drank the kool aid that it was a good move, next thing you know, we blew exactly 13 victories after that.. and we finished exactly 13 games out of wild card go figure
Say what you want, but I’d rather have Lidge for $1MM than Fracisco for $12MM.
Francisco has 21 blown saves in last 70 save opps.
Lidge 16 blown saves in last 116 save opps.
I thought moneyball was about bang for the buck???
I’ve noticed for some odd reason whenever people talk about Francisco they seem to make it sound like he makes $12 mil this year? Why is that?
How come for other multi-year deals on other players we talk about how much they make per year but for Francisco those who don’t like him always say he makes $12mil?
And if he’s pitching very well and the Mets aren’t doing well, you can certainly see him being shipped off at the trade dead line.
Fine, 2/$12. Does that change anything? I still see Lidge at $1 for one year as a better value. You didnt respond to my point, you just shifted and twisted my point. So I’m guessing you agree with me.
Your point was about a book first of all. So I ignored it because it’s just a waste of time to continuously explain to you or anybody that Moneyball is a book not a management style.
Secondly, if you look at their IP/Hits Allowed/K/BB/ERA over the last 5 years they are very, very similar are they not?
Pair that with a decrease in age and an increase in health and I have 0 problem with Francisco over Lidge.
I can’t re-write history and make Francisco the closer over Neftali Feliz, CJ Wilson, or Eric Gagne. That is why I don’t worry about their save totals. Lidge was the closer, Francisco was not.
I’ll look at how they actually pitched and not worry about when they got their 3 outs.
The last thing the mets needed right now was to put a lot more eggs in the basket of a guy that is a serious risk for breaking down.
KMaxx I’m not even going to respond to that lying, twisting, word game player anymore but he continues to LIE if you read before. I had addressed that Pujols & Fielder were signed irregardless of their OBP and I had thought I made that perfectly clear but yet the lying, spinning, pig continues to post out there that I said that Jerry DiPoto does not care about OBP and that is simply not true, I did not say that.
He does what he does best. He uses the internet to fortify his practice of putting words in people’s mouths and twisting them around. That is something he can NEVER do in real life, but on the internet it is a valuable tool for slimeballs of his ilk
Right
You:
-Their OBP is totally USELESS
-if their OBP never changed but you cut their HR & RBI in half they are not getting those contracts
-To concern yourself with how much Pujols and Fielder “get on base” is misguided and frankly the wrong way to look at it
-It’s silly to even concern yourself about Prince or Albert getting on base in front of the people behind them
-The Angels and Tigers did not sign Prince or Albert because of who they have hitting 1st or 2nd. They signed them because they are big time power hitters who drive in lots of runs and can help them get to the post season
-I happen to think that if you asked the GMs of the Tigers and Angels why they signed Pujols and Fielder they would take my side for sure
Angels GM Jerry DiPoto:
“Obviously, we need to address the fact that getting on base hasn’t been an area of strength,” Dipoto said. “Mike and I talked about it. Arte [Moreno], John [Carpino] and I sat down and had a conversation. It’s something we want to make a focus.”
“I don’t think there’s one sexy stat that you’re going to quantify as the tipping point. There are a variety of different stats, but it’s how you interpret them that will lead you toward good decision-making,” Dipoto said. “It’s trends that are important to me
In talking to the Angels people, it was never not a part of the philosophy, it was just something that was never aggressively taught,” said Dipoto, who is attending his first GM meetings this week in Milwaukee.
“There are different schools of thought on whether it can be taught or whether it’s a skill you’re born with. I tend to gravitate toward the latter.”
Dipoto plans to target OBP as he looks to upgrade the offense, but much of the work will be done at the grass-roots level, identifying, drafting and developing players who understand plate discipline.
“Do they track the ball. Are they patient? Do they swing at strikes?” Dipoto said. “That’s something you try to identify when players are young. And there’s a good chance that the guys who are doing that in the big leagues always had that trait.”
So how do you guys really feel about each other?
If you two A – H*les didn’t always try and tear each other apart you would find you are both correct in your assessments (I also read your rants yesterday). HR and RBI are a big part of the demand for players like Pujols and Fielder but their OBP is what makes those guys special where they can command that kind of coin and have such a dramatic effect on a team.
A typical high HR RBI and low OBP players are Dunn (before last season), Reynolds and Uggla. Great assets to their team but very one dimensional offensively.
Typical High OBP but lower HR RBI are players like Michael Young Or Ellisbury. Fantastic on a team but used more as a table setter not clearer like the guys above.
Only a handful of players hit above .400 OBP and Pujols and Fielder are doing it consistently while mashing the ball. They can set the table, clear it, wash the dishes and give you a happy ending all in one night. That is why they are special, that is why they made the money that they do, and that is why they are going to make a big difference on the teams they are on.
If you 2 F u K-Heads just try and communicate with each other instead of tearing each other apart you probably could have gotten to the same conclusion but you’re just a bunch of idi*ts.
OBP is not going to make Fielder and Pujols anymore special. The only special thing about them is the rate they hit HRs & RBIs. The rest of the stuff you concern yourself is is the by product of their talents.
HR & RBI is how they make their living and why they get signed. Oh and AVG because as long as they hit all that other stuff like OBP will fall into place.
If you look at the teams who make the playoffs and the teams that don’t it’s usually based on run differential. That’s how the game is won, right? Score more runs than the other team. Fielder and Pujols OBP is not a product if hitting HR’s, if it was they would be in the first category I listed with Dunn and Reynolds. They are exceptional at putting the ball in play and also being able to see the ball better and take better pitches that give them a better so/bb ratio then those other guys. This allows them to not only drive in runs, but also score runs. They are complete offensive packages.
If they just hit HR’s and RBI’s then they would get a contract like Dunn at 15m, not 23m.
You are so obsessed with hating Sandy, that you refuse to consider OBP or what is probably better in OPS. On their own those stats are meaningless. When you add them to other factors like traditional scouting and other statistical elements, they tell a better story of how the player produced and potentially what kind of player he can be in the future.
When I say by-product of their talent i am not referring to just hitting HRs and if you understood baseball without ever needing to resort to a stat sheet you would already know that. I am talking about their overall ability. You are completely misunderstanding what I am saying.
And I don’t need a stat sheet to know that Adam Dunn would not get the same kind of contract as Pujols or Fielder. You’re letting statistics dictate whatever baseball sensibility you possess and you’re going to go nowhere thinking like that. And you’re thinking too much and over analysing in your post to me because again, you’re getting too involved with statistics.
Each team gets the guy they think best suits their needs and each team works with their own budget. It is not relative to anything else and your “league average” nonsense, as noted by another poster, is not relative to anything else other than fodder for stat geeks.
Sandy is proving to be dumb. If he made good moves I would be happy and say things like “you know i was wrong about this guy”. But that’s not happening. The guy makes one terrible move after another and is well on his way to becoming one of the worst and most unpopular GMs in this clubs history.
You really are a confused person. Adam Dunn Hits a ton of HR and RBI but he is poor at putting the ball in play and being patient at the plate. It’s mash or nothing. I don’t get this from the stat sheet I get it by watching games.
Fielder/Pujols can hit a ton of HR’s, RBI hit some doubles and take a walk. This allows them to be more productive for their team and be a higher caliber than someone like Dunn. That is why they get more money and will be more successful. You are just to simple in the brain to understand more complex material.
I don’t need anything complex to tell me the differences between Fielder, Pujols…and Adam Dunn. You may, but not me. I don’t need it one bit.
I’ve been watching and been involved in baseball almost my entire life and I don’t need YOU to tell about it. I know that, I can just tell but the stupid things and the stupid conclusions you come to here. Oh and when I work with a PC and an iMac, DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro PhotoShop, various DVD softwares, constantly experimenting with various compression codecs, Excel for customer databases and formulas, I don’t need you to tell me about complex.
This is baseball,, not computer programming.
Tell you one thing,
I wish I could turn back time and keep Omar Minaya and pair with Bobby Valentine as field manager and let those 2 work together with a small budget. Although I cannot prove it I GUARANTEE you that the Mets would be in better shape now and possibly even contending – even with the small budget.
It is very easy to make the case that Sandy Alderson, since taking over, has made a bad situation even WORSE not better.
You don’t have to get me on the Bobby V Train because I am the friggen engineer. As for Omar vs Sandy AGAIN… I don’t feel there would be much difference because based on salary constraints they would be choosing from the same bottom barrel. Maybe different players but I don’t see I shift in results. Too many places need to much attention and there isn’t enough to go around. There is a mandate to keep the salary at a specific level and to have no obligations for 2014.
Tomorrow I will try to find it but over where many of us lurk at Real Dirty this guy wrote a great breakdown about Omar and his transactions. The way it looks, Omar had a specific philosophy from 05-07. He did a great job at filling many positions and making the money work in many areas. After the collapse he turned into the dutch-boy stuffing dollars into the holes of the dike, and the roster fell a part. Omar v1 could of probably done a decent job with the ship, but Omar v2 is the one who helped steer it into the rocks.
Also I am a project manager for a software company, your computer expertise is rudimentary. I wouldn’t use that as a argument for stating you understand complex principals. I’m not suggesting I am some kind of developer or programmer, but you used the wrong example for the wrong guy.
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Actually SaltyG, Adam Dunn before last year has always been a high on base guy.Even with a sub 300 OB% last year.It’s 374 for his career.The rest of your post is absolutely correct.That’s what seperates the guys like Pujols and Fielder from the next tier player.If Fielder and Pujols had 350 OBA neither one of them would sniff 200 million dollar paydays.The guys who hit for power,avg and get on base are the ones that get the 20+ million per deals.As long as they continue to do that RBI’s will be there as long as there are men on base enough during the course of a season. NO GM worth 2 shits is going to sign a player because of his RBI total.Unreal how this turd who claims to know baeball can’t come to grips with this term.
Dopey Joe Diaz strikes again,
Thinking backwards as usual because he possesses no innate knowledge of the game, everything is learned from his morning paper.
I don’t need an OBA to sign Fielder and Pujols. As long as those guys hit their usual 38-50 HRs and drive in 100+ runs NO MATTER WHAT TEAM THEY ARE ON because whoever signs them will have table setters so don’t worry about who is getting on base in front of them as in traditional baseball for 150 years that wasn’t the case – you just get the guys you need to put you over the top. Joe you’re a Painful Rectal Itch of the highest caliber.
And like Jerry DiPoto AND me said, the guys who have good eyes ALWAYS had it, so don’t worry about it because you already know they have it – you can’t turn someone into it (although Ruben Tejada’s done a good job of it)
But Fielder and Pujols were probably always this way so that being said – as long as they hit there share of HRs and drive in 100+ runs – which they can do on any team..and oh…..hit in BIG SPOTS and get CLUTCH hits – they will get their money.
Oh, i know Adam Dunn walks a lot but I really don’t feel like discussing him here because he’s not relevant to the conversation.
But I did say yesterday and many times here before that batters with good eyes have ALWAYS had them throughout their lives and yet when the pig posted that article by Jerry Dipoto after I said that, it turned out DiPoto said the same thing I was saying when he said that MLB players had those very traits their entire careers and probably can’t change it now.
I always say that, then it was posted that DIPoto said that as well – but that is being ignored in lieu of trying to misrepresent what I say.
Don’t forget Cordero signed for $4 million… same as our set up guy raunch.. but hey, sandy signed him and francisco, therefore he had a good day and gets a pass for the rest of the offseason to sit on his ass and do absolute nothing else…
Alex, is raunch a legitimate typo or a Freudian slip?
You get the point joe D…
Yes, it certainly looks like a very good for the Nats.
As all the teams in the NL East get better we have to sir pat and “forfeit “Jack this year!…..If only we could it would save alot of pain!
I think it’s becoming more clear, more evident, and less debatable that the GM of the Mets is absolutely HORRENDOUS. He is being outplayed by every other Major League GM on a weeily basis since the day he took over Last offseason was terrible and could have been better if the Mets had a smarter GM and it’s looking even worse this year that almost every move this guy makes is TERRIBLE.
The Mets could have been made into a contender, even while broke, if they had a smarter GM who knew what the hell he was doing going back to last year. I am 100% convinced of that by now. How anybody can keep defending this awful, stupid, GM is beyond me and goes to prove it’s all about a philosophy and NOTHING to do with being a Mets fan.
So now the Mets are being out done because the Nationals signed Brad Lidge?
If the Mets signed Lidge and the Nats signed Francisco, you’d come here saying the exact same thing.
For $1 million more, what couldn’t he have signed both. Then that would be three quality additions to our pen (plus Rauch who I don’t forsee being a factor but could be a fourth one).
Just getting Lidge and a quality starter might have helped give the Mets a better shot for a post-season berth, considering the kids they have and a solid middle of the order.
So with the limited funds he has to work with, there is indeed some more than Sandy could do. Lidge is not a step in “rebuilding” but it seems by not going after him, ownership is already writing 2012 off (as they did last season when we were in the wildcard race). How could one not take this non-signing as another indication that Wright, Santana and/or Bay will be gone by mid-season. If they’re producing big numbers, the more Sandy can demand in return.
Goody, more prospects and more cash for the Wilpons to save.
Who says Lidge wanted to come to the Mets? Just take your GM obsession out of it. If a player had two contracts for 1m from the Nats or Mets, most would choose the Nats right now because they are trending up. A couple years ago it would of been the Mets. It’s not always about the GM.
and you don’t know that he didn’t want to come to the Mets. Sandy has been doing an AWFUL job right from the beginning and doing a terrible job of spending money in all the wrong places. Maybe if he was smarter or better yet, if we had a different GM maybe a couple bucks more could be the deal breaker. Maybe Lidge doesn’t like Alderson, you don’t know that either. Maybe a different GM/face of the franchise is more appealing to the organization. Maybe the way arrogant Sandy carries himself is a turn off for other players. You don’t know that as well and neither do I.
So why are you so crazy with your obsession when you just admitted you don’t know what the truth is?
Look I’m not enamored with the Francisco acquisition, but if the Mets didn’t get him someone else would have gotten him at the same price. The market is going up on all free agents this year and the Mets needed to get a guy that wouldn’t want more than 2 years and can pitch effectively. Not too many guys fit that criteria.
To all, Brad Lidge is not a franchise player, so……..
He’s also pitched 75 games combined the last two seasons and the year before that had an ERA over 7. So you can complain about the old, injured reclamation projects Sandy signs, or you can complain he didn’t sign Lidge. Just pick one and be consistent.
again xtreemsandybuttkisser, i said he is not a franchise player.. what else you want me to say?????? regardless whether it was him or cordero at $4 million those teams made better deal than sandy did, shelling out $10 million on 2 set up guys with over 3.50 ERA’s.. but hey, he had a good day according to some, so it’s all good…
Now here come the Sandy apologists (and we all know who they are).
Again, it’s not about being a fan of the Mets and wanting them to win anymore. It’s about rooting for a guy who represents their Moneyball/Sabermetric beliefs. It’s about wanting to win under moneyball/sabermetric beliefs now ahead of anything related to just old fashioned baseball as a Mets fan and what it takes to win. I liked the Ramirez/Pagan trade because to me it made the Mets better even though i can do without Andres Torres – but i liked the trade no matter who the GM is. WIth these guys it’s all about the GM and a belief first – being a Mets fan for the sake of being a Mets fan comes in second with these androids.
I’m not apologizing for anybody.
You’d rather have brad Lidge, I’d rather have Francisco. I don’t care who signs them. I don’t love Francisco, but I’d gladly take him over Lidge right now.
If Alderson signed Lidge to the exact same deal the Nats did and then 2 weeks into April he suffered another elbow or shoulder injury, guess who’d be the first on to log on and call him cheap and only signing injury risks etc?
As suggested above, why not get both? Is it that the Mets don’t even have that $1 million plus incentives for one year to help shore up the bullpen even more?
Moneyball, sabremetrics and the combination of the two – knowledge of the game cannot be mesured on calculations. I believe Sandy knows that more than we realize. His purpose is to be a bean counter and I guess he doesn’t mind being so since it does give him the challenge of putting together a minor league system and organization in his own image (excuse me, that’s the Wilpon’s image – that’s what Fred and Jeff said was one of the qualifications they would be seeking in a GM).
Joey D: Maybe they don’t like Lidge? Maybe they have no role for him? Where are you putting Lidge if Beato/Parnell/Byrdak are on the opening day roster as well? That paired with Ramirez-Rauch-Francisco?
Maybe Lidge didn’t want to come here? I mean, just as much as the Mets may not have a role for him, maybe he wants a guaranteed role?
I just don’t see the point frankly in spending $ on a guy who is a health risk when you have guys filling in the bullpen who aren’t health risks and you have a bullpen ready to go?
You’re not going to kick Byrdak out of the pen so you’re replacing Beato or Parnell with Lidge and frankly they are both better to have in the 2012 pen than Lidge is in my view.
I believe Lidge is over double digits in surgeries and injures. He’s also 35.
I believe his best days are behind him.
torn rotator cuff, broken forearm, strained intercostal muscle, sprained knee, elbow surgery in 2010, right shoulder injury 2011
what a hypocrite – more Sandy apologists are getting that condition – speaking out of both sides of their as….er mouths
If Alderson would have signed Brad Lidge not only would I have liked it but this very same HYPOCRITE with the book keeper’s visor and change dispenser around her waist would have said:
“not a bad signing for 1 million, even though some recent surgeries have slowed down his ability this could be low risk high reward and we may get lightning in a bottle”
another Sandy apologist hypocrite who puts their worship of Sandy ahead of being a baseball fan
Nope, I’d prefer Francisco based on age/health consistency/performance over Lidge. Sorry if that breaks your heart, but I want the Mets to play to win some games this year. Francisco is better for them to do that on paper than Lidge is.
I always thought you wanted the 2012 Mets to be competitive but you’re now complaining they didn’t sign an older, more injury prone closer who has been sharply declining?
Just like the time you claimed the Angels GM didn’t care about OBP and I proved he made finding high OBP his mission for re-tooling the franchise, here’s most research
http://www.csnwashington.com/baseball-washington-nationals/news/Nats-sign-Lidge-to-1-year-deal-?blockID=638912&feedID=10314
All you need: “One red flag, though: Lidge’s fastball velocity has dropped significantly over the years, from an average of 95.8 mph in 2007 to only 89.3 mph in 2011.”
Here are the Sandy apologists speaking out of both sides of their mouths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oiQhhdz8ys
Or as many surgeries as Chris Young.
I’d probably have to agree as well SRT on Lidge’s best days being behind him but a see this similar to the Izzy signing in this sense Izzy’s veteran experience was something the Mets hoped could be of help to pitchers like a Parnell.
Lidge’s experience should help a young Storen as he grows as a closer and at $1M the Nats are not really risking much that if he say breaks down he can probably be replaced during the season if need be or at least I would suspect he could.
I would have to say that the Lidge signing is a luxury type signing. Would be nice for the Mets to pick up, for sure, if they had an extra mil or so. just my 2 cents.
And honestly, they need another SP, not an RP at this point.
Some of you make this place completely unbearable. Really, voice your dang opinion and allow others to do the same. Just because one player likes a move and one does not every conversation then turns in to the same damn thing.
Right, especially when each conversation has to do with tearing apart the terrible moves your God Sandy Alderson is making. He makes bad moves time after time, we call him out on it, and it bothers you and you don’t like it. Let’s be honest here.
Thank you. Wish some would take this advice.
to think. for $5 million we could’ve had lidge, cordero/ broxton.. for the $10 we’re paying those 2 we could’ve had broxton, lidge AND cordero…..
I actually think it’s a coin flip there. Broxton sucks, so I wouldn’t factor him as a plus to that equation, but Cordero is better than Francisco, in my mind. Lidge… I wouldn’t want to have to trust him to stay healthy for the whole year.
Broxton sucks??? and rauch and francisco are world beaters right???? please, for 10$ i would’ve had those 3 rather than them 2…
Same old, same old. 30 comments, 10 from jessep, flame war. Yep, same old, same old.
Nice move by the Nats.
Maniac: I haven’t insulted or called anybody any names in this entire thread. Yet you call me out because you refuse to acknowledge that I am responding to baseball topics rather than make it personal
Let me give you an example: “Lidge appeared in 25 games last year due to a shoulder injury and in 2010 he had an elbow injury that kept him out of action. He had 1 amazing year in 2008, but other than that why are you so upset? By the way, Francisco has been healthy each of the last 5 years and is 3 years YOUNGER than Lidge. ”
That’s NOT a Flame War.
“I’m not even going to respond to that lying, twisting, word game player anymore but he continues to LIE if you read before”
“what a hypocrite – more Sandy apologists are getting that condition – speaking out of both sides of their as….er mouths”
“Here are the Sandy apologists speaking out of both sides of their mouths:
youtube link”
“especially when each conversation has to do with tearing apart the terrible moves your God Sandy Alderson is making”
Those quotes ARE Flame War stuff. In fact just for you, I found you the definition of Flame War “A flame war is a heated argument between two individuals, that results in those involved posting personal attacks on each other during or instead of debating the topic at hand”
If you want to end flame wars then talk to the people who don’t want to hear other people’s opinions and when they do they have to revert to their middle school name calling activities.
Tell me Maniac, which comments are on topic with baseball and the Mets and which are “personal attacks during or instead of debating the topic at hand.”
Have a great day.
JesseP, shut the f*** up!!!!!!!
Broxton is a thrower, not a pitcher. And he’s been hurt. His skills have declined. I don’t see him recapturing anything in a bottle, let alone lightning.
I’ll take 2009 Broxton. Anything after that has seemed to be pedestrian
Nice signing by Nats. Low risk high reward move adding him to go along with Storen and Clippard in the pen. Veteran presence that can help a team that is at a place right now where they are poised to compete for a postseason spot.
Bayonne:
Mr. Wonderful – The Almighty, Omnipotent Sandy Alderson
lying, twisting, word game player
lying, spinning, pig
awful, stupid, GM
hypocrite
this very same HYPOCRITE with the book keeper’s visor and change dispenser around her waist would have said:
Alex68:
xtreemsandybuttkisser
JesseP, shut the f*** up!!!!!!!
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All the rest of the posters: Zero personal attacks and name calling.
Words speak for themselves here.
Lots of people go to jail without name calling for things like lying, deception, libel, slander.
But the people who do things like that – you are on their side so that’s different.
After reading all these comments…a lot of you need to step away from the computer, go outside, get laid, or something.
Good deal for the Nats, but I won’t be surprised if Lidge’s arm falls off.
the anti-Sandy group would have ripped the signing if the Mets did it as some kind of plot to only sign broken down risk/reward guys on the cheap.
They should put all of you in an asylum with exclusive padded cells for Jesse and BMF.
It’s funny. I’m reading the comments section in the article on espn.com (there’s over 700), and everyone is either an angry Nats fan, a Philly fan laughing at them or an impartial fan saying it was a bad deal. The most accolades this deal has gotten was “eh, low risk, high reward” and “well they need a stopgap till their kids are ready.”
No one thinks Lidge is capable of getting anyone out anymore, not anyone. Personally, I’m with the low risk, high reward crew. Maybe it was a case of misreading the market, or maybe it was a case of Lidge wanting to be where he can be impactful on young pitcher’s career, or maybe for all we know the incentives are ridiculous, like 3 mil for 50 innings and another mil for every half a run lower than 4.00 his ERA is, but for a million, I’d have brought him in and let Beato start the season in Buffalo. I’d do it like last season with Young. Bring in the really risky guy with a healthy, young future piece ready to back him that still needs some work (Gee).
Lidge won’t help a major league team on the field this season, but if he were here, he can help the future by letting Beato simmer longer till he was nice and ready. I could go with Francisco, Rauch, Ramirez, Acosta, Byrdak, Parnell and Lidge.