12
2012
More On Losing F-Mart
An article by 
Toby Hyde of Mets Minor League Blog poses an interesting question:
I just find this whole little episode stunning. Giving up Fernando Martinez for nothing just seems odd. Surely Martinez was worth something, like a live arm or two, on the trade market. Moreover, there is still slack on the Mets 40-man roster.
This feels a little bit like the Omar Minaya days when the Mets often seemed out of line with the way teams valued assets (hello, 4 years and $25 million for Luis Castillo). The Astros, and as the rumor goes, at least five teams were interested in Martinez, and the Mets got nothing. Who was the top prospect like Martinez where a team just gave up at this point when the player still had an option remaining? I’m drawing a blank. Anyone?
Original Post 1/11
According to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York, the Astros have claimed OF Fernando Martinez off waivers.
Houston, which has first choice in waiver claims because of their MLB-worst record in 2011, selected the 23-year-old outfielder.
The Mets needed to clear 40-man roster spots for the additions of Scott Hairston and Ronny Cedeno, and chose to put Martinez as well as left-hander Daniel Herrera on waivers.
Martinez batted .183 with two home runs and 12 RBI in 131 at-bats for the Mets between 2009-2011.
Like Lastings Milledge before him (the Mets #1 prospect before F-Mart), another one bites the dust.
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I can still see him having a productive career. Probably more as a platoon corner outfield bat than a star, but useful nonetheless. His swing is too good for him to completely miss.
IMO he is still way to young to just let him go. SO what he has knee trouble. If his bat builds like it should then ship him to an AL team to DH. I dunno I hate losing talented young players to mismanagement
Jayson stark is the JesseP of reporters..
Wow… thank you.
LoL…..right?
Xtreem: Vin Scully is the Xtreem of broadcasters.
Heh. We can go on and on.
Yo mama so ugly she looks like Eva Mendes!
Now, see below what i think of jayson stark… same thing i think of you…
Joe, Stark didn’t predict anything. He quoted a scout who did.
Is funny, starks always quote a “scout” when making a prediction, if is wrong, is not him, is the unnamed scout who told him… don’t defend that philly c*** he’s the worst of the worst…
I’m guessing he quoted a scout because that’s who he talked to. Call me crazy, but isn’t that how it usually works? What does Philly have to do with it?
Joe, Stark didn’t predict anything. He quoted a scout who did.
So you’re guessing that he talked to the scout or do you know for a FACT that he talked to the scout? were you there? he does this ALL THE TIME.. trust me, in the columns of his i have read on ESPN there’s always an unnamed scout he talks to that tell him stuff, so he’d never be wrong or won’t prais whoever told him if right, that’s the ultimate doushe move one can make.. and btw, he’s a philadelphia reporter..
“do you know for a FACT that he talked to the scout?” – Yes, because he quoted one. He wouldn’t be where he is today if he misquotes sources, or names them.
“he does this ALL THE TIME.. ” – Because he’s a reputable journalist.
“i have read on ESPN there’s always an unnamed scout he talks to that tell him stuff” – because the scout chooses to stay anonymous. When does a journalist EVER reveal their source?
“and btw, he’s a philadelphia reporter..” No, he’s FROM Philly and USED TO be the on the Phillies beat. He hasn’t done that in over ten years.
wow, not only you’re sandy’s xtreembuttkisser but now you’re defending jayson stark and sh***** on Joe d for stating the obvious?? is my fault for even engagin with you..
LoL. Yes, I’m sh***** on Joe. D. I’m sure he took it like that and is highly offended. Perhaps I’ll get banned.
you should’ve gotten banned when you said the mets HAVE to sign chris young….
Well, you’re not insisting that I said it was some sort of priority anymore. But yes, they should sign Chris Young. Still should. Nothing’s changed.
make sure you close your eyes right before sandy finishes, i hear that stuff can make you blind… (roll eyes)
Typical 12 year old response. When you’re exposed as the baseball fraud you are, that’s what we get out of you. It’s tired and predictable and you’re not making anyone laugh or anything.
It happened like 3 times this week… saying Barry Zito was on the A’s in the late 90s, saying the Pirates use Baseball America to guide their draft, saying I’m an idiot for predicting a team will pay $125mil for Darvish in total.
He runs about three a week, in general.
what i meant to say was how moneyball failed to recognize the pitcher the oakland A’s had, i know you’re very stupid and ignorant, but even a blind squirrel can go and find a nut once in a while..
“what i meant to say was how moneyball failed to recognize the pitcher the oakland A’s had, i know you’re very stupid and ignorant, but even a blind squirrel can go and find a nut once in a while..”
moneyball failed to recognize the pitcher the A’s had in Zito? You mean because they let him walk and he became such a thrilling success in San Francisco?
This is why you dont respond to the nonsense coming out of Alex’s mouth. He brings nothing but his classless act to the table. The reason he was banned here at MNO was partly due to his racist rants regarding my heritage among the rest of his classless diatribes.
It’s,it’s,it’s,it’s
What happens if a team claims him? Do we just lose him or do they have to work out a trade for him?
Based on what I have read, these waivers are irrevocable.
Looks like the Astros claimed F-Mart.
They need all the help they can get, arthritic knee and all.
So had Carrasco been placed on and cleared waivers, #Mets would have been forced to release him and pay his salary anyway.
another brilliant move by sandy that NOONE get on him about…
Everyone gets on Sandy about Carrasco. And why would the Mets have been forced to release a guy who clears waivers?
DJ can refuse the assignment and become a FA while keeping his salary. F Mart could have been optioned I believe.
Right on both counts. Under what set of rules would the Mets have been forced to release him?
Right on both counts. Under what set of rules would the Mets have been forced to release him?
Under the HE SUCKS rule.. how about that one?? or he doesn’t make as much as perez and castillo therefore we should be stuck with him!?
………seriously? That’s what you’re going with?
you tell me.. what to do with carrasco then?? aren’t you all for signing chris young, maybe he can be release so a spot would open up in the 40 man roster… idiot!!!!
I would have kept Herrera and sent Carrasco packing in the first place, but what’s done is done. If they sign Young, it’ll likely be a ST invite and they might not even need a spot on the 40-man for him so the point will be moot. You’re showing a terrible misunderstanding of the rules of baseball, and you’re calling me an idiot? Do you read what you write sometimes?
“What’s done is done”… Is the the baseball wisdom you say people don’t undersatand???? Thanks for the joke. When you regain your ability to think come vback with some intelligent response…Until then, ask sandy for some of the ivy league words.
you’re soooo stupid, xtreemily stupid i might add, why would young pitch for the mets knowing there’s 0 shot at making the team because a spot would not be secure??? second, have you even heard of chris young pitching or being healthy? third, it shows your lack of knowledge or buttkissing alderson if you really want a guy who had 2 good starts for the mets and blew his arm back with the organization… seriuosly, what is your obsesssion with this guy? i like reyes, but at least he was good, this guy is a injury prone machine and you want him back here?? why???
Who said Young would have no shot of making the team? No one who gets invited to Spring Training makes the team? Ever? No chance he pitches himself into a job? At all?
And the reason I want him is because he would cost nothing to give a shot. If he works out, he’s better than most of the pitchers the Mets have. If he’s still hurt, he’ll go away. Very simple concept of risk/reward. When there’s little no no risk, all you can expect is a reward.
You should be writing this down.
You prove you aren’t a fan xtreemicon.. You care about the cost of a player. Talent to you is never mentioned. you have proven all you are is a puppet for wilpon and alderson.. How pathetic you are. A moouthpiece crook and a broken down old gm tryin to stay in the game. You must be so proud of yourself. Ignore him alex. . He’s bought off, maybe for a beer or a free tixket to a game.
Caring for the cost of a player because it means you can spend less elsewhere isn’t exactly the biggest crime in the world as a fan.
I don’t want the Mets to spend $90 mil of a $120mil budget on 5 players, because that means you can’t spend elsewhere.
Nobody here wants to see if the Mets can field a team spending $40mil. We want to see the Mets have a budget, and spend wisely within that budget. Because when you over spend on talent, you effect other areas of your franchise. It’s not “We don’t want to get a guy who costs money.”
It’s that we don’t wanna get 1 guy if it means we have to take a knee to the groin in other spots because we don’t use our $ wisely.
That. Is what you don’t get.
The core obviously all share the same brain,they have no concept of what’s actually going on so they all say the same thing every day.Yeah,I’m sure all Met fans want cheap crap.We f***** love the fact that there’s no money to be spent on players.
So now the fans’ job to work on the budet. tic. You want to worry about the budget follow CNBC. A fan wants his team to have talent and be competitive and try to win. You all are not fans. Its unbeleivable how brainwashed this small group of peoiple are….. Its unbeleivable how now that Fred has been exposed a s a man who can only make money on ponzi schemes, you have to be concerned about his budget. He never gave a damn and he still doesn’t but yyou do???? Bogus or hypnotized which is it?
“Talent to you is never mentioned.”
“If he works out, he’s better than most of the pitchers the Mets have.”
I can understand that you don’t grasp what I say because you have no original thoughts of your own, but when you start to get that itch, best to ignore it since you’d likely end up eating your own keyboard.
. Wanting your team to win is not an original thought. But its a heck of a lot better than being a puppet for sandy alderson and fred wilpon. That makes you an absolute NOTHING. Let me ask you a question in all sincerity….does it hurt when lord snady pulls on your strings????
Martinez was claimed by the L’Astros.
See ya, F-Mart. Live and learn.
So much for our OF of the future: Martinez-Gomez-Milledge.
J
According to Rubin:
Source: Daniel Herrera has cleared waivers and will remain with #Mets as non-roster player.
Interesting that the team that had 1st choice in putting in a claim (Astros) did…I hope Carrasco and his contract prove worth losing Martinez, because if Martinez ends up not as hurt as previously reported, (knees) and even becomes a useful platoon/good LH bat off the bench, this move will look foolish.
No doubt about it. Carrasco better pitch his heart out. (Not literally, lol)
He may have to pitch it out literally anyway the way the division is stacked and our starting rotation is constructed. Carrasco may end up throwing 130+ innings…hopefully not at a 6+ ERA…
he could amount to something.
But, just as good a chance he never gets out of the minors, or ends up having a journeyman career getting cut by 4-5 teams before it is over.
Remember, the Mets have 3 Gms, so there must have been some reason that a low priced guy like him was let go. The Mets really do know him the best.
and no, the reason is not because he was an Omar guy.
aving three gms doesn’t mean anything except that the Wilpons will allow Buddies little henchman to i team continues to self destruct. Three gms, none of whom were wanted by any org , one being given a job on orders of bud, and the other brought in to baby sit the over the hill sandy. They are so good they are never considered for any gm opening. Three failures is nothing to brag about. Oh wait, the great Sandy was, at one time ahead of his time, thanks to Canseco , Sandy’s boys won pennants because of the use of roids. Yeah, what an example he was…..
Yeah im sure that great pitching staff had nothing to do with them winning the WS.Canseco only played a third of the season in 89 but nice excuse.
it was a joke son, a joke I tell ya.
Mike! F-Fart is not hurt,at least not yet.he has arthritis in both knees and he’s only 23.He’ll be lucky if he ever becomes a 4th outfielder.They wouldn’t even let him play CF last year because of his knees.I would’ve dumped Carrasco myself but I wouldn’t worry about F-Mart.
Hey Joe, I had surgery on my left knee when I was 15, in 1982. The orthopedist told my father I had a ton of arthritis behing my knee cap and removed cartilage and loose bodies as well as scraping the arthritis from under my kneecap…It was, back then, a newer procedure called arthroscopic surgery. He told my Dad and i, you’ll be fine in about 6 to 12 weeks. And I was. Point being arthritis in your knee doesn’t make you disabled forever. I played basketball baseball and football again and only in my late 30′s did I have trouble again. Martinez could actually end up being fairly productive. We’ll all find out.
Also Mike, surgery in 1982 was done a lot differntly than surgery done in the 21st century. I;m sure your procedure was a lot more evasive and your recover a lot more intense.
The Mets did not lose Martinez. They gave up on a kid, who, at 16, looked like he might be a 5 tool player. It never happened, even in the minor leagues for the guy.
Its entirely possible that through dietary corrections his arthritic condition could improve dramatically…as a Naturopath and avid Mets junkie I can sense that he is prone to inflammatory state most probably caused by his nutrition. Martinez most likely eats anything and everything without discretion and even at the age of 24, fatty, salty, sugar based, acidic forming foods can promote inflammatory conditions that manifest as Arthritis, Connective tissue inflammation, Muscle aggravation etc. A regimen of antioxidant supplementation and alkalinizing foods would reverse a great deal of what is ailing FM. So for a few dollars and a few minutes of enlightening guidance we could have a different player on our hand…Well in typical Met’s fashion we’ve lost that opportunity….add it to the list
I usually try to say cruel things about players, but F-Mart stinks. No talent, multiple injuries and overrated. He hasn’t yet played a full season in the minors. This is a case of the Mets building one of their prospects into something he isn’t. They pulled the same nonsense with the Generation K pitchers.