Comments on: MMO Fair or Foul: Is Beltran On His Way To The Hall Of Fame?

By: Donal

Donal — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:37:09 +0000

If not for the inuuries, I’d say no contest first ballot.

Unfortunately, he’ll always be a case of what might have been. which says a lot when you see how much he did with all his health issues.

By: KC Chuck

KC Chuck — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:12:32 +0000

When at KC, he would make a great catch when on TV and then throw to the wrong base the next night. He did have the tools, but thought he was too good for us and did not try. Johnny D. was a better hustler.

By: Alan

Alan — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:44:26 +0000

Carlos Beltran has been a very good player but will not be a Hall of Famer He has not hit enough homers or had a high enough batting average. If he had not lost so many games to injury the last few years his overall run producing numbers would be better and might get him more consideration.

Defensively Carlos was deserving but a center fielder is supposed to be good out there!

By: KC Chuck

KC Chuck — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:14:58 +0000

5 tool means .300 avg. Mays was CB is .280.
Closer to average.

By: KC Chuck

KC Chuck — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:08:30 +0000

I saw CB at KC not run out a ball in front of the plate and hit in to a BP, twice in the same season. In NY he went to the dougout on a pop to 2nd. The fielder then dropped the ball and made another DP. this is why he is not HOF. 5% tools is not a .280 hitter. W. Mays is.

By: theonlymaskman

theonlymaskman — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:07:00 +0000

“Because there’s more to baseball than just hitting and Beltran stars in these areas while Snider – let’s just say he was a great hitter.”

WHAT?! In an article about whether Beltran should be in the HOF, you chose to denigrate Duke Snider! Were you alive when Duke played and did you ever actually see him? Actually Duke was an excellent OF’er covering a lot of ground and making difficult catches. He was renowned for scaling a difficult OF wall at Ebbetts Field to steal many a deep drive thereby saving games. He was a master of that and no one came close to his ability in dealing with that wall, not even Carl Furillo. Duke actually had a lot of grace in playing his position, making the comparison with Carlos even more valid. The comparison of Carlos to Duke is a fair one, but don’t try to tell me that Duike couldn’t field his position, because nothing could be further from the truth.

By the way, I think Carlos should be in the Hall eventually.

By: nathan

nathan — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:06:21 +0000

If and only if Beltran leads the Cards to another WS will he get attention. His numbers are great for a CF but he just hasn’t been super star enough to get over the hump. Some guys get into the hall just because they were the best hitter on their team for a period of years, Beltran has rarely been that guy. He was usually the second guy, and that doesn’t bode well for the hall.

By: kingman 26

kingman 26 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:32:09 +0000

HAHAHA!!

Oh man, Bayonne seriously is like the guy who walks around with his face painted, a bright red nose, and long bright yellow shoes, but has no idea he is a clown.

Wow.

He is the gift that keeps on giving.

By: JoeD1966

JoeD1966 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:24:30 +0000

Nobody loved Beltran more than I but he’s definitely not a HOFer.Met HOF yes.

By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado

Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:01:42 +0000

I agree 100% that Beltran is a first ballot HOFer..in the New York Mets HOF…not the one in Cooperstown. I love Beltran, he’s one of my all-time favorites, but, his numbers are not those of a HOFer. He reached 190 hits once (his rookie season), he batted .300 only 3 times, reached 30 HRs only 3 times. Top 5 in MVP voting once. He is a great defensive CFer, but they don’t put people not named Ozzie Smith in the HOF for defense…ask #17. Sure, Beltran will be on the list of 300/300 guys (HRs/SBs), but that won’t get him in. His numbers are basically the same, offensively, as Moises Alou…only difference is Alou hit 20 points higher and Beltran stole 200 more bases. Is Alou a HOFer?

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:54:59 +0000

I wouldn’t have a problem either way myself. In my opinion he is the greatest fielding first baseman of all time and should be in the HOF. But it doesn’t bother me too much that he isn’t because of his good but not HOF level offensive numbers. But in his case if they decided to put him in because of his defense, fine.

By: NJstuckinTX

NJstuckinTX — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:46:20 +0000

I actually think Keith deserves to be in the Hall. He revolutionized the 1B position. Best defender, ever.

By: Kramer67

Kramer67 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:36:46 +0000

You have me all wrong, Bayonne. I love coming here and reading your comments. I happen to like you a lot. I rank you right up there with rum punches, neanderthals and sandlot baseball coaches. Those are a few of my favorite things.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:32:49 +0000

You’re not going into the HOF if you have the greatest stolen base rate of all time but you don’t have the offensive numbers to make the HOF, otherwise you can make a case for Keith Hernandez going into the HOF if enough people believe he’s the greatest fielding first baseman of all time.

Bye.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:30:59 +0000

Yeah,

That is exactly what I’m saying Mr. Caveman Protruding Eyebrows, If you’re a great fielder or possess great speed than you don’t belong in the Hall Of Fame. That is EXACTLY what I’m saying (sarcasm)

Now go back to doing what you do best and that’s come up with a million different screen names so you can stalk people you don’t like.

By: Kramer67

Kramer67 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:30:06 +0000

You one coached and played baseball, right? Can you name me one player in the history of baseball who had a higher stolen base rate than Carlos Beltran who isn’t in the hall of fame? (minimum 1500 games, 300 attempts)

By: Kramer67

Kramer67 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:25:57 +0000

This is why WAR renders all other types of statistical comparisons like yours meaningless. WAR considers the entire body of a players career including defense and provides you with an unbiased and objective way to compare players.

Beltran’s career WAR is twice that of Shawn Green and your comparison made them out to be two peas in a pod which is insulting to Beltran who was a far more superior player than Green.

This is exactly why statistical analysis needed to advance to a higher level so that comparisons like yours will become obsolete.

By: Kramer67

Kramer67 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:14:33 +0000

So according to you Randy, great fielders and speedsters have no place in the Hall?

By: Nick Pugliese

Nick Pugliese — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:11:49 +0000

Eh you can very easily argue Cal Ripken Jr. changed the culture of shortstops and he played during the same era as Smith plus Beltran plays a position that is equally as challenging and one where players can get by with mediocre to subpar offense if they show good defensive skills (Peter Bourjos, Rick Ankiel, Michael Bourn, Austin Jackson, Dexter Fowler, etc.). So I don’t entirely by the era/position argument, but if you want to say Smith is a mistake then I can buy into that argument.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:10:34 +0000

that was already taken into consideration – everybody knows he’s a great fielder. Carlos’ base stealing abilities are not gonna come into play when determining if Carlos Beltran is the type of player to get into the HOF but 3 more seasons of the type of offense I laid out just might.

I know people like you are light years behind and will never possess innate baseball acumen since all if it is learned by reading papers and drinking beer in the upper deck so I suggest that you go back and travel within the circles that suit you the best. It’s not good for you to try and go out of your league, you’re best suited doing what you do best, fulfilling your dreams to be a writer through the platforms that the internet now gives the average fans like yourself