9
2012
Mets Waive F-Mart and Herrera
An article by Hojo's Mojo
According to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York. Fernando Martinez and Daniel Herrera have both been put on waivers.
Earlier today, Rubin warned that the Mets still needed to clear two spots from their full 40-man roster to make room for recent signings Scott Hairston and Ronny Cedeno.
Martinez, 23, has faded as a prospect because of continual leg injuries. Even when healthy, an arthritic knee limits his mobility in the outfield. If Martinez clears waivers, the Mets can option him to Triple-A Buffalo. But Martinez’s reputation could prompt another team to claim him at least to take a shot. Martinez hit .227 in 11 games with the Mets last season. He hit .260 with eight homers and 30 RBIs in 223 at-bats at Triple-A Buffalo.
Herrera, 27, was one of two players to be named in the deal that sent Francisco Rodriguez to the Milwaukee Brewers — really a salary dump to avoid K-Rod’s contract vesting at 55 games finished with the Mets. Herrera had adequate numbers as a Met — a 1.13 ERA in 16 appearances spanning eight innings — but the organization concern is his effectiveness will fade as National League East opponents become more acclimated to his screwball.
Herrera can declare free agency rather than report to the minors if he clears waivers.
Looks like Carrasco still has a job.
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Will sandy alderson admit he made a mistake??? after all. he’s the almighty one who never gets called out on his bad desicions..
Do you have any links of Minaya admitting even bigger mistakes on $140MM to Perez/Castillo/Bay?
Here you are complaining about $1.2MM to Carrasco.
For your family’s sake I hope you’re not the one balancing the checkbook in your home.
I don’t think Omar made a mistake signing Castillo to a $25 million contract. Go back to the pre-2008 season and check out Omar’s alternatives. He had almost none, except perhaps the already tried and failed Kaz. So Omar bit the bullet and signed Luis, outbidding Houston and the White Sox. Houston signed Kaz for very few dollars less and dropped him before his contract expired. It’s been said that Omar should have set up a deal during the 2007 season. Hah! If we all could lead our lives over again, we’d be perfect. We aren’t and neither should we expect Omar to be. The deal was reasonable given the opportunities and constraints at the time.
What are you talking about Alex? He gets called out here every day. Carrasco sucks! Mistake? Absolutely but it’s better to make a 2.4 million dollar mistake than a 24,36 or 66 million dollar mistake.
Well, actually, he can’t make a 24 million dollar mistake because he won’t sign anyone with major league talent. So that’s what you guys want. A no risk guy who will never make a mistake. soi you want a do nothing gm leading your team to last place forever. Very impressive. I guess being in the playoffs under the mistake ridden GM was horrible to you wasn’t it. ….
The only problem with that Omar Fan is after those 3 huge mistakes we didn’t make the playoffs.Just because I wouldn’t have offered anything more than arbitration to Castillo and Perez doesn’t mean I want low risk guys signed.I would’ve preferred Holliday over bay and I’ve said a million times here that injuries and all Beltran was still a good sign and I’d do it all over again.Give my sister an open checkbook and she’ll get the Mets 1 playoff berth in 6 years too.
and here we go.. sandy’s supporters at the helm…
If that payroll hadn’t rose to 140 Mil plus over the past few years with absolutely nothing to show for it, maybe we wouldn’t be reading the same old tired argument daily of ‘Omar vs. Sandy’.
Revenues would have been way up, Mets would have contended, Omar would likely not have been fired and replaced with Alderson.
Reality is the payroll did increase each year, their level of play did decrease each year, revenues were way down and throw Madoff in there as well. Sum of that is the Wilpons making a deal with Selig to try and save their sole ownership of the team – period. Along with that deal came SA. If it was just a matter of the Wilpons trying to count pennies on their own, Omar would have never been fired b/c paying 2 GMs for 2 years could have been money saved.
You are delusional srt. The size of the payroll had nothing to do with today. The only thing that impacted things was the end of the free ridse for fred and son, no more ponzi scheme… If the ponzi scheme were to thrive still, so would freddy’s payroll. Think otherwise is to jusgt buy into the BS spewing from puppet sandy’s mouth, words dictated by buddy and freddy and jeff.
Ghost — “The size of the payroll had nothing to do with today.”
You are joking of course, aren’t you? Reyes might still be here. We likely would have signed great talent. But in any case, Ghost, I understand your frustration. I have a lot of it too. I think I’ll go get a workout in to reduce my Uncle Bernie stress.
No,it’s not support,it’s actually a fact.He gets called out on here every day,usually with yourself at the forefront.To be honest,I don’t agree with waiving Herrera instead of Carrasco.We only have one lefty in the pen and he’s adequate at best.Carrasco sucks,so how is that support? Sorry if I don’t hate him.I’ll give him a fair shake before I hate on him.
What mistake are you referring to? You mean waiving F-Mart? The same 23 year old outfielder with 50 year old knees that Adam Rubin tweeted:
“That said, anyone selecting him would be doing it on reputation. Anyone who saw him in Buffalo knows knees are in bad shape.”
But of course why would someone who actually saw him know.
Unless Carrasco’s arm is somehow ‘reborn’ and is lights out in ST, I wouldn’t care if they cut him.
Wonder who will be considered the long man in that BP this year?
I hope so! He was a disaster last year and will be one of the two to get cut!
Come on, Martinez doesn’t have more value than Carrasco or Herrera? And he doesn’t have a higher upside than Baxter or Loewen in the OF? He probably is better than his successor as the top prospect Wilbur Flores too.
Arthritic knees at 23 means he’ss need knee replacement surgery by the time he’s 35.He’s got no shot as an everyday MLB player.5th OF at best.
I’d love to see “Fiasco” Carrasco cut, but being owed $1.2 mil. considering the financial mess the team is in will they be able to justify paying him to either sit at home and collect a paycheck or pay him to play for someone else? Really, they should, but they may decide it’s better to pay him in their employee than someone else. But, really, really hoping he is #1 or 2 to get the cut!
They let Perez and Castillo go for a lot more.
If he is useless on the team might as well cut him, that way if someone else picks him up you at least save the 440K or so minimum wage.
If Carasco is released that means only Byrdak and Hairston remain from the dozen players acquired by Sandy over the winter.
Sandy re-vamped the bullpen last winter and it indeed backfired. There were two other steps he took of which one backfired as well and the other he just liked out on: not trying to re-sign either Takahashi or Feliciano (of which I doubt he knew was damaged goods).
Again, Sandy proved in Oakland he could put together a good team (which had nothing to do with sabemetrics or money ball) so we know he has the baseball knowledge. It can’t be his fault if he is being forced to make moves that are just stopgap measures to save money. That is what I contested last winter with many of my fellow Met fans who were so anxious to believe that a new philosophy based on money ball and sabemetric analysis was being ushered in that they could not see reality for what it really was.
The problem with Omar was that he indeed acquired too many players who were on the downside (seems to be a Met tradition) – not just Castillo but the likes of Alou, El Duque, Green, Anderson, Lo Duca, Delgado, Wagner, etc. which were short term solutions but not ones who could sustain a team’s success over the course of a few seasons. But then his assignment from the Wilpons was to build a contender immediately and we went from the Art Howe era to one game away from a world series in just two seasons. And rememberm we continued being competitive in, 2007 and 2008. In 2009 half the team got injured and despite continued injuries the team bounced back and became competitive till the all-star break the past two years. Today the young nucleus is made up of a minor league system created by Minya – Davis, Duda, Tejada, Murphy, Parnell, Gee and Neise with Harvey, Familia, etc. waiting in the wings.
So, if one is going to remember Omar for the bad contracts to Perez, Castillo, etc., in fairness one should also remember him for his accomplishments – putting together competitive teams while still not giving away the minor league system. Just like with Sandy – if one is going to judge him for all the bad moves he has made so far, one must also remember that he was given nothing to work with by his bosses.
FMart and Herrera???
Wow, that was kind of a shock. Fmart’s knee must be toast or something. I can’t see him slipping though waivers. And I’d say Herrera had a better chance having an impact on the major league club than DJ. I’m a little confused by this move.
Ya, that is odd. You figure a little fire balling lefty would have more value than Corrasco.
The problem is Hererra relies on a screwball rather than a fastball. Good the first time around but then gets lit up.
Rubin said if he went to ST he’d be playing on the backfields to avoid familiarity.
Certainly not the best of Sandy’s moves…
Depends on how you look at it. Was the talent acquired in the deal that great? No.
But, it was about getting out from under Rodriguez’s vesting option. And it was going to vest, no matter what happened after the trade or who Rodriguez claimed to speak to (especially when the person had no power to negotiate).
Right, and besides look at KRod now. Nobody even wanted to meet him on his terms to be their closer. That has to tell you SOMETHING about his value doesn’t it?
I wonder if this is an attempt to try and get something back in a trade. Seems like those two guys would have the most value on the list, so I’m guessing it’s not an attempt to dump them but an attempt to try and get a return for them. Worst case, they pull them back and then put DJ on waivers. He’d probably clear.
That’s actually interesting speculation….
Xtree — I think you’re onto something. Let’s see if Herrera is claimed. We need the LOOGY.
Most everything Carrasco throws makes contact with the other teams bats. Not that this is necessarily wrong, but too much contact leads to DJ getting torched. He’s also seven years older than Herrera and isn’t likely to get better.
Actually I was under the impression that these waivers were irrevocable.
I think you might be right. I just read a few articles from reputable sources, and while no one mentioned the word “irrevocable,” the language did suggest the Mets are done with them and can’t pull them back. In this regard, I am a little surprised and not sold on the choice they made.
Oh they can resign them once they clear waivers based on that info. Basically what they kept doing with good ole Nick Evans.
Martinez can, but I don’t expect Herrera to choose the minors over a potential big-league job. Also, I don’t see Martinez clearing. He’s 23 and the talent must still be there…….somewhere.
Keep in mind that many teams are in the same shape as the Mets. Most are feeling that roster crunch and are still on the search for more players. So signing Fmart and placing him on the 40 man is a risky chance for many teams. I think at best it’s 50/50.
Honestly what will it say more about? If the Mets were so disgusted with Fmart they released him to let him go to another team…. OR if Fmart is so bad that his only choice was to come back to the Mets?
Would definitely say more about F-Mart. But there has to be ONE team with an extra spot. Maybe you’re right. I think we can both agree F-Mart has unfortunately been an epic fail.
You are right there probably is a team with an extra spot but with all the purges going on will another team take the chance on him instead of someone they believe can help this season? Also what does it say when the Mets release you when you have minor league options left?
I’m alot confused. I would think Fmart would still be more serviceable as a backup OF then Carrasco will be out of the BP.
Maybe the work ethic was just not there or the medical reports were that bad. He also seems to have the issue of now having guys ahead of him on the depth chart in the minors. Also keep in mind that BP guys are almost bipolar. DJ COULD turn things around just as likely as he will not.
I was thinking the same thing about Carrasco. He had a 6.02 ERA last season, but hadn’t had one above 4 since coming back from injury. That has to be an outlier…….right?
Maybe FMart got a real bad doctor’s report.
Remember the future dream outfield of the Mets? FMart — Gomez — Milledge. It goes to show how hard it is to count on young kids. Only Carlos Gomez is still in the big leagues now. He’s with Milwaukee and made $1.5 million in 2011.
Here’s what Hojo’s Mojo said back in 2010 about FMart:
“Having an arthritic knee at 22-years old is nothing to put a smiley face on. Especially for a player whose game is built on speed as well as hitting.
“The Mets are reporting it as mild arthritis, but reports from eye witnesses who saw Martinez yesterday, said he was limping badly.”
Another “5 tool” Met bites the dust. The list continues.
The only way Carrasco helps the Mets is if he is traded to another NL East team and we get a chance to tee off on him! I say goodbye to “Batting Practice Man’!!!
The Omar Minaya is officially over now that his #1 prospect is gone. Booyeah!
The Omar Minaya era ia officially over mow that his number 1 prospect is gone…booyeah…WHAT EVERYONE FAILS HERE TO REALIZE, MAYBE NOT AS EMPHATICALLY AS YOU IS THIS IS SAD….I’m absolutely floored by some of this…this ISIN’T ABOUT ALDERSON VS. MINAYA FOR CHRISTSSAKES…THIS IS ABOUT HOW ALL OF US; US, WE LOSE! How can u even think something like this…a young man, once acclaimed by our, repeat, OUR TEAM; The
NY METS, and coveted by almost every organization for his skill set, a 5 tool talent, a can’t miss prospect, who couldn’t stay healthy, who is 23, has arthritic knees and everone makes it about Omar vs. Sandy. Insanity. We lost. All of us. A player with promise, a trade chip, a possible fixture in our lineup for 8 or 10 years…and all you care about, or root for is that he was ‘Omar’s’ # 1 prospect? Jackass. He was The NY Mets one time NO. 1 prospect…We all lose. All of us..Unbelievable….
You’re right, I agree with everything you said.
Glad to hear that Maniac, hope to see you say that more often.
OMG it’s a rational thought not based on partisanship. I would be careful to make statements like this.
Minaya *era
So basically we got nothing for K-Rod, right?
we got 17.5 million dollars for K-Rod.
We? What did we do with it? Where is it?
Probably in the “Get the Wilpons Out of Debt” fund.
LOL, what do WE ever get for a trade? You expect him to come wash your car and change diapers?
Chris and Met Maniac — To me it looks like the cash went to Milwaukee to offset K-Rod’s salary. In other words it was a salary dump.
here is what Baseball-Reference.com has:
“July 12, 2011: Traded by the New York Mets with cash to the Milwaukee Brewers for players to be named later. The Milwaukee Brewers sent Danny Herrera (September 1, 2011) and Adrian Rosario (minors) (September 1, 2011) to the New York Mets to complete the trade.”
I too am upset that FMart has deteriorated to this point. Seems like Mets OF prospects are jinxed or something. Hopefully he clears and we maintain control. You never know he is still 23. Thats still really young. Maybe he could be used in a trade to an AL club as a DH someday. Oh and carasco stinks the joint up.
Guess there is only room in the Mets organization for 1 oft-injured, overrated player who will never pan out…looks like the Mets have chosen to stick with Reese-Mart instead of F-Mart.
It’s time to move on with FMart, they should of got rid of Carrasco instead. The way he pitched last year was horrible.He probably won’t make the team any how
Damn, is a real shame about fmart, but, is better to always keep DJ Carrasco.. also, is 100% obvious now how that krod trade was a salary dump, is funny how all those sandy’s apologist were not admitting it back in july when it happened and came up with all kinds of excuses as to why this needed to happened, it saved the wilpons $17 more million that were not even touched during this offseason, funny how out of those $60 plus million the mets saved in salary this year, only about $11 have been used… but hey, sandy alderson had a good day..
I’m fairly certain everyone with a pulse understood that it was a salary dump, “apologist” or not. Are you saying people here thought it was a trade that made the Mets better, personnel-wise?
Yup, all of us knew the return would be minimal. We had no idea what that return would be but if you thought you were getting a top return for a guy that COULD accept arbitration and cost you 14M then you were mistaken. Ask the Brewers now if they would even do the trade over again. I bet if they could even make the decision about offering arbitration again they would do it differently. Now they are stuck with a 12M malcontent setup man.
What in the world are you talking about. The entire season the media displayed KROD’s magic number for that crazy option to vest. Every SNY covered game where KROD came in, the magic number was discussed. Everyone knew that both the Wilpon’s couldn’t afford it and no team in their right mind would want something like that to vest especially a team that was in no condition to compete (talent wise and payroll flexibility wise) for the next two years. The Brewers were able to take him because they already had a closer that performed above KROD’s ability at this point and wanted to add some depth.
That’s all it was.
Wait, no one said the Rodriguez trade was about getting out from under his vesting option? I am fairly certain everyone said it was primarily about financial concerns.
Lift the steroid ban and get the kid some bionic knees and maybe FMART can bounce back.
Sad day for me, I still like FMart. Red Sox claim him. and he hits 20 hr. drives in 85 runs scores 75 runs while playing rf/DH for Bobby V.
At this point I would expect the Braves to take a peak. However, if you look at Kyle Hudson who was just released from the O’s he has a better chance of helping the Mets this year than Fmart. 24 years LH who can still play LF and has actually played a full season in the minors before.