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Mets Sign Infielder Omar Quintanilla To Minor League Deal
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According to Adam Rubin of ESPN New York, the Mets have signed Omar Quintanilla to a minor league contract.
Quintanilla, 30, appeared in 11 games for the Texas Rangers last season. He went 1-for-22 (.045) with a triple, two RBIs and nine strikeouts. At Triple-A Round Rock, Quintanilla hit .298 with five homers and 25 RBIs in 208 at-bats.
He is a .213 career major league hitter in 522 at-bats spanning six seasons, primarily with the Colorado Rockies.
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Jesus christ…. after having “a good day” sandy alderson has done absolutely nothing….. well, until now…
Why invoke the Lord Almighty’s name about a minor league signing? You upset they didn’t offer anything to LMilz?
stuckin, just a quick reminder this guy was BUSTED FOR PED’s ok.. so not only he sucks, but he’s a user as welll.. as is funny, it seems as ever since alderson took over it has become a theme to say “HE’S SIGNED TO A MINOR LEAGUE CONTRACT” … can’t 3 gm’s in a front office and do more than sign guys to minor league contract hoping to strike lightning in a bottle? is guys like you and other losers here who keep defending everything he does as if it’s a good move…
Appreciate the kind words, as always.
They signed a minor league guy. Big deal (read: not a big deal). I’m fairly certain that this has not been their complete focus. I would actually think they’ve been looking for potential deals for Niese and the like. I’d say the lack of leaks of info is driving much of the populous crazy as they have no clue what the team is up to. And to me, that is just fine and dandy. Just cracks me up the vehemence of responses for something that all teams do.
Agree on the lack of ‘leaks’ with this current FO. I too see that as a good thing.
Dont be fooled…they are leaking all over the place…all those “Mets are Interested in…” stories are all leaked by the Mets!
One player even commented on one of them that mentioned him and he said that would be news to him because he hadnot heard a peep from them, not even a phone call!
They are only leaking what they want people to think they are doing not what they are actually doing.
And the reason there is no news of the trade front for Niese and others is because they don’t want it to get out that they are looking to trade those guys until the deal is done and until something they like is actually offered!
Since no one is giving them enough to sell those trades to the fans (No real Prospects) they are keeping their mouth shut to avoid the backlash that trading even MORE good players AWAY will bring with it!
But they are leaking plenty trust me!
thing is, just as last year, we keep signing guys to fill holes in the minors, yet somehow they all ended up in the majors last year.. can we stop defending the moves this guy made as good moves and for once ask him to be creative and make a trade or something??? he had a good day and that’s it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whatever happened to the i’m looking for franchise player crap he was trying to feed us??? this is just pathetic..
Take a look at Passan’s Yahoo sports article from the 1st.
2012 from Albert Pujols to Carlos Zambrano
He goes through the alphabet and adds these tidbits:
‘G is for Good Lord Almighty, Fred Wilpon, Just Sell The Mets Already, Please. That is all.’
‘L is for Losing in big markets, something that in today’s financial landscape shows a staggering level of mismanagement. The Mets’ and Dodgers’ comes back to awful ownership. The Cubs’ was due to bad front-office decisions.’
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Passan and others have put the blame firmly where I believe it belongs: Ownership.
Not the past FO, not the current FO. Ownership.
I don’t think the Mets have ever had a GM who paid LESS attention to the major league roster than this fraud they have now. But hey, at least there’s less leaks with this front office (sarcasm). Even on a day with yet another player busted for PEDs signed to a minor league contract the front office gets praised for their lack of leaks.
There are really no more adjectives left to describe the mass hysteria that refuses to acknowledge anything bad about this front office part of the fan base has fallen under with this Marshall Applewhite clone that’s running the Mets now. It’s unbelievable.
How about Grant?
what about grant???? yes he made some boneheaded trades (seaver) and had animosity towards the players he didn’t like, but guess what, the man won!!!!! he drafted seaver nad made all moves available and needed to have a good team by 1969, also hired gil hodges to be the mets manager… the WORST GM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NEW YORK METS SO FAR IS SANDY ALDERSON, and trust me, is not even close!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grant was the worst, bar none. You can feel that Sandy is on par, but that wouldn’t be correct. No one was worse. It’s not like Sandy is trying to save a buck to line the Wilpons pockets. He trying to save a buck so that the creditors don’t take the clothes off of the Wilpons backs.
again, grant won us a championship, and brought to NY fan favorites in seaver, gil, kooz, agee, etc… meanwhile sandy hasn’t won sh**, won’t win Sh** and have this team in line to be even worst this upcoming year…
Happy New Year.
Grant also drafted Mazilli, Backman and Hubie Brooks in addition to the names you mentioned.
He was not the worst…Harazin would probably be the worst. He is the guy who gave us the Bonilla deal which we are still paying for and that awful team Tag calls the worst team money could buy!
That said Sandy so far is being bad by being the complete opposite!
He’s not buying he’s selling!
Yeah Grant was horrible, Phillips get destroyed here, and Minaya? Forget it! His likeness was burned in effigy.
Any GM who was at the helm when the Mets gave their fans their happiest moments is all bad while Sandy walks around on water while an angel’s choir plays in the background 24/7 with all the parrots, eels, & web sites all bowing to his every whim.
According to some fools in here, sandy is the best GM we could’ve possibly had… looking back, i wanted han, daniels, but at the end, sandy was assign by selig to get the financial situation of his buddies under control till he figures something out, time is ticking, the real fans have already tuned out, the wilpons are cornerd and selig will have no choice but to ask the wilpons to pack up and bounce.. this GM has been the worst GM i have ever seen… at least the other GM’s were trying to win, things didn’t go their way, but at least they tried… this man on the other hand… is just moneyballin his way out of town..
Sorry Alex but there is no comparison between SA and Grant.
Hands down, Grant was the worst. Don’t know if you were around for the Ryan and Seaver trades but I was. Neither of those trades had anything to do with putting the best product on the field and all to do with Grant being one cheap SOB with a big ego.
Now we can get technical since Grant wasn’t really a GM but was the chairman but his decisions while here just can’t compare with any we’ve had after. He might have brought a championship but that’s only b/c he didn’t have to pay big bucks to those cost controlled pitchers he had – that was long before free agency.
Grant was NOT the GM in 1969 he did NOT win a WS
SRT, i agree, but my point is we have 3 gm’s, THREE gm’s for bayonne’s sake, and still this 3 cannot make a decent trade to at least show the fan base they’re committed. i understand is the wilpons fault, but come on.
Forget it Alex, baseball talk as we know it is practically dead when it comes to what we think could be better moves for the team. Remember when fans had their own minds, had their own take on what kind of off season moves could be made? No more. The guy in place now has a cult following that questions NOTHING. His moves are all final and NO other moves could possibly have been made. Another GM could not have possibly taken another path for the Mets.
I’d love the Wilpons gone for just making this hire, let alone their finances. Never in my life have I seen a baseball executive so teflon, so immune from criticism from a fan base, it’s simply something to sit back and watch.
Yet all these guys like t agee or jesshup come up with all this research, all these names, all these long lists of statistics they use in arguments, yet the ONLY person here who has ever done any research looking for alternative players that could have been picked in place of the ones The Lord Saviour has chosen is Vinny B. He’s the ONLY person on this site that has ever even bothered to research what else is out there besides the players The Lord Saviour has chosen.
Everyone else? Uh uh, oh no. Sandy has made the ONLY moves that could have possibly been made.
It’s sickening and frankly these people deserve all the losing and terrible seasons they have coming to them at this rate.
is amazing how a quiick “it was the right move, i like this move, is a minor league deal, i like his obp, great job on that rule V” comment comes up as soon as sandy makes a move.. is downright pathetic what we’re witnessing, i wouldn’t mind for people for once to just say damn sandy, really??? that guy is a bum!!! but no, is a minor league deal, so is ok… you know, even when players are in the minor leagues they are getting paid, whether is the minimun or not they need to perform, this guy is a bum!!!! yet is a good move by sandy because he fills a hole in the minors… amazing!
Ever play the game called “LEMMINGS” ?
LOL
Thats pretty much what we have here on the Sandy side!
If Omar or someone else made these moves they would be crying like babies but because Sandy Sabers and Moneyball Fame is in charge he must be doing everything right!
We WILL see won’t we?
Metsie, is getting sad… really really sad.. but hey, remember, sandy alderson had a good day, so all is forgiven with his legion of fans and followers.
tell it like it T I Z, pardner. like it T I Z !
All these school girl rants about how awful this place has become and you can’t talk baseball is so hysterical when it’s you guys that don’t want to talk it. Unless people subscribe to everything you all say, then it’s not baseball, and your retorts are all insult driven and childish crap like “Worship Sandy, Lord Sandy,etc.” When that does NOT happen, that may be your interpretation, but far from the actual truth, if that’s your argument you’re right, it’s a shame you can’t talk baseball here anymore.
Don’t agree with someone, fine, try just once, posting a posing argument minus childish rants and personal insults, and before you know it people will be talking baseball.
If everyone agreed on everything, it would be quite a boring place, no?
Kay — When the gray matter is gone, it’s gone!
Well Alex they ARE committed, just not committed to building a strong MLB squad!
They are Liquidators and their only focus is to get as much for the assets as possible from MiL Propect point of View!
When you look at it strictly from that perspective then some of what they have tried (and are trying) makes sense.
Others have NOT!
Such as trading Pagan for a scrub CF and relief help.
trading K-Rod for Two PTBNLs who are nowhere near what you would call PROSPECTS!
Letting Reyes go for two 2nd rounders instead of trading him for more! They Miscalculated on this and didn’t think the Marlins would be the lead buyers for him, as a result they only get two second rounders at best and maybe less depending on how they award comps for who they have signed!
This is a Liquidate and run operation right now!
Wright will be gone before the year is out if I read my Slashy right. They MAY get a prospect out of it.
Niese may or may not be traded but don’t expect much back from him if they do.
I can also see either of Davis or Murphy being traded. Whoever remains plays 1st base!
Davis would get them the most prospects, Murphy won’t.
So this is basically a bankruptcy sale before the bankruptcy is declared and the court has ordered the sale of all assets!
And once they are done (and by the time they are done) the Wilpons will know what the damage from Madoff suit is and either keep the team (They win the suit) or sell the team now that it is lean and has cheap prospects to pay those bills.
I think they will actually win the Madoff suit but the best thing that could happen at this point is they lose and lose the whole 386+Mil!
Then they might be forced to sell and maybe then we will get a new owner to kick around!
That is if the new owners actually decide to stay in NY!
Cause if you only draw 1+ Million in NYC there really is no reason to stay and compete with the Yankees!
Look, I want to see some trades happening too. Niese for D’Arnaud… sign me up! Wright to the Rox for a couple blue chippers… I’ll take some of that too. But getting so frustrated because a trade hasn’t happened but a minor league signing has is just silly.
That’s right, it’s a minor move for a backup infielder. Something all teams do. Maybe they’ll make a major trade; maybe they won’t. We’ll see….
In the meantime, the main problem is the ownership. Sell Fred, sell! And fans: Boycott ’til the Wilponzis are gone!
Amen Steve. Amen.
Right, do not DARE question any moves Alderson makes. Sure we did that in the past when we had fun playing GM here – we used to do it all the time, but no more.
Do NOT question any moves Sandy has made, it’s easier that way. Let him think for the fan base.
Bayonne, hope you had a happy new year as a man, because as a mets fans, this year will be as worst as that year that other oakland A was in the dugout…
Question all you want, no one EVER said not to question it, no matter how many times you post that childish remark,
Question it with a grown up remark however, can you do that? It’s all hate or nothing, that’s why no baseball talk is going on.
Lack of leaks? What lack of leaks? If we posted every leak that comes out of this front office there would be no fanbase left. As it stands now, most fans don’t even believe any of the leaks we report anyway. Trust me, there is no lack of leaks. Even someone with a little bit of access to the Mets can vouch for me on that. I never saw a front office that disseminated information indirectly as much as this one does. I don’t remember half of this type of communication under Minaya.
Maybe it should have been worded as “leaks of substance”.
That’s another story. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. The Mets now use the media and bloggers as their propaganda machine and intentionally leak false info intended to make the team look good or portray their actions or inaction in a positive light. Everything is carefully worded, pre-screened, well-timed, and done to perfection. In that regard, they should be commended.
LOL
That must be because Sandy doesn’t go to the bagel shop.
joey it’s called brainwashing.
zzzzzzz – another minor league signing to fill out the rosters down there and add some depth possibly.
Someone wake me up when we sign or trade for a major league player.
Another scrub joining the Mets. Sandy thinks we’re just stupid or something? Met fans should revolt against the Wilpons this year.
“Sandy thinks we’re just stupid or something?”
The people crying over a minor league signing are doing much to prove him wrong if that is true.
poor donal.. he just can’t comprehend. He thinks people are upset over this signing. poor donal, you really are clueless. So sad. Here it is simply worded for you donal. People don’t give a hoot about this sign. People care becuase this is one of the big moves. Why is that so hard for you to see? Despite your lies about the lord’s perfection, facts say you are 100%. He has been a failure. He can’t even rebuild. He can’t trade a star correctly. He eats most of the contraxct and manages only one A ball prospect for two stars. He fails. Your posts and lies don’t change that a bit. And poor Kay, she is so tired of people attacking the lord. Oh well.
More lies, I am tired of you making up childish BS learn the difference!
Anybody else notice it seems that the Mets keep signing players who were once 1st round draft picks?
He has to be what the 3rd, or 4th by now?
Maybe you noticed that the Mets seem to like signing guys who are known steroid users. Except for Braun of course.
Like Guerrero Mota? Oh No that was YOUR lord God Omar Minaya – then it was ok…….
wrong,
It wasn’t okay back then and it’s not okay now. But Sandy seems to sign guys that are knowingly PED users whereas Mota was caught. I don’t think Omar signed him already knowing that he was a user.
But then again you’re missing the point altogether. Omar is nobody’s God – it’s all about the unfair treatment he’s getting by the new breed of the geek division of the saber army as if the Mets had never ever experienced success B.A. (Before Alderson)
Even those of us who knew Omar had to be fired (even though i’m on record saying I would have preferred retaining the GM and hiring Wally or Bobby V), or even didn’t like the fact that he was making this a Los Mets – (which i was against right from the beginning but that’s another story)….anyway, even those of us who knew changes had to be made are not coming to his defense because of a love of Omar but because the backlash against him by the new breed is so unfair and totally unjustified. They’re just happy they have a GM who is a moneyball/sabermetric guy. That’s what this is all about – it’s about their beliefs being more important than the pure baseball aspect of evaluating the Mets
” I don’t think Omar signed him already knowing that he was a user.”
Ya, he did. He resigned Mota for his second year after he tested positive for a banned substance.
He pitched for the Mets in the playoffs in 2006, filed for free agency after the season, got busted and then resigned.
His suspension was announced November 1, 2006, he resigned in December of 2006.
So ya, again you have such a strong opinion with very few facts.
Let me get this straight, you can’t remember when Omar signed Mota whether it was before or after he was caught with PED’s, but you’re the same guy that arrogantly says you don’t want to see the numbers of David Wright in 07 and 08, that despite the very good numbers, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SAW and he choked away the seasons. That you can remember, ok ‘nuff said
+1
uh – duhhh, yeah +1
Because i could not care less to look up to see if Omar knew Mota had tested positive for PEDs means the same thing as my take on David Wright’s CHOKING/HORRIFIC performances in Mets post season run history. he FAILED when they needed him the most.
der so yeahhh..+1
That’s because Xtreeacorn is a David Wright worshipper himself. He’s even actually said in the past that he goes to the games just to watch David Wright. And why not? Wright puts up numbers that saber geeks love. There is no other reason other than that.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/05/the-mets-really-miss-david-wright.html
Ya, a lot of us have noticed you couldn’t care less if you actually know what you are talking about
Donal — Wasting time on an ostrich whose head is planted firmly in the sand or in the bodily nether regions is not recommended.
u are bringing up a fella that iz gonzo.( wright ).
yeah just because i wasn’t sure if Omar signed Mota knowing that he tested positive for PEDs equates to me and my opinions about this she-jerks favorite boy toy David Wright.
Alex i don’t respond to that hag’s responses either because all she does is piggy back our comments defending the saber people and trying to look for an opening even if it has nothing to do with the main points or not. She’s such a PHONY it’s beyond belief. She pretends that she’s for peace for both sides while ALWAYS siding with the sandy crowd REGARDLESS of how snarkly or blindly loyal they are to a guy who is on his way, at this pace, of being the WORST GM in Mets history. And she masks her ‘oral appreciation’ of David Wright by pretending to have a ‘fair’ opinion of the TERRIBLE job of the handling of the Jose Reyes situation by Alderson by blaming it on Reyes. Wright is her boy come hell or high water – no matter how much this female impersonator who is actually a female pretends to portray herself as objective. She is anything BUT so she should go back in the kitchen where she belongs and stop trying to pick fights with the men.
Bayonne, carefull with the comments man, we wouldn’t want you to get banned for being baited, i understand your frustration and that is why i beg her all the time not to even engaged or comment on my replies here, i don’t mind if is baseball related but she never comments on baseball, is more on defendin sandy and baiting men here in the blog to get banned.. kinda like the situation with omarfan…
you’re right alex, it just pissed me off because you hit the nail on the head – that HAG never, ever intitiates any baseball talk in any way, shape, or form. Her only pursuits here are to follow people like you and me and try to catch us when we don’t cross every t or dot every i when trying to make a bigger point.
That’s all she does here. David Wright is her boy toy, she defends the saber crowd every opportunity she gets and basically is a flat out liar when she says she’s trying to be open-minded. Yeah open-minded according to her own point of view.
Yea man, with her and her post is best to ignore… you wouldn’t wanna get banned for being baited..
Yeah because calling people names, making up crap about worshipers is not baiting, coming from a guy that thinks Grant was a gm in 69 and brought a title to the Mets
All class
Stocking the rosters of Buffalo and Bingo is necessary. Why all the griping?
so is ok to have a sh**** major league team and also a sh**** triple A team as well!?!?!!?
Come on, Alex. The Mets don’t have enough money to field a contending major league team. You want them to pony up money to fill in holes/depth in the minor leagues with higher end signings? No money, no money, no money.
Alex, i’m commenting about Buffalo and Bingo — not about the Mets. What don’t you get? The acquisition is for the minors.
Honestly we have ZERO depth at SS or a good fielding 2b, as of now this move is for the Mets, hopefully he will be making a bigger splash signing but it’s poss Quintanilla gets some playing time for the Mets
You people expend too much energy arguing about minor league fodder and you pretend as if Minaya never made these types of signings. He did.
Yeah Omar did signings like this while building a championship team while Sandy is doing this right from the get-go while dismantling the team at every opportunity he gets….without even giving it a fight!!
When this kind of signing becomes this big of a deal, there is a problem, face facts..Omar Quintenella, Rob Johnson? This team needs quality depth, not borderline independent league players. If those of you out there think this is, ‘just a minor league signing’ than why is it at positions that are going to require major league help? Because these are your backups for the mlb roster. Take your blinders off, I don’t care how broke this team is, these guys will be playing at citi this summer, bank on it…Screw Wilpons and Katz, not 1 penny from me this summer…Aldersons no more a savior than Dick Cheney was a quail hunter…
Aldersons no more a savior than Dick Cheney was a quail hunter…”
Mike, the CORE salutes You!!!!!!!
You are right he is no savior, who ever called him a savoir? Other then you and your cronies ASSUMING people THINK he’s a savior?
Sigh………….. Please. either talk baseball or don’t even reply back to any of my post.. ,atter of fact, stop you’re obsession with some of us who see sandy alderson for what he is, a fraud and the worst GM in mets history…
Do the same
Other than now, when do i even bother replyign to anything you say or post?? seriuosly, i dont care what you write, when you do is to acutally attack anyone who don’t like sandy alderson, so i don’t even bother…
That’s good baseball talk, alex
This signing isn’t a big deal. By the time this guy is off suspension, Valdespin or Havens should be ready for promotion.
The best Quintanilla can hope for is being a late inning defensive replacement.
donal, the thing is, we have said the same thing about all the players sandy has acquire and most of his defenders and apologists keep saying the same thing.. this man is not even trying, he’s just acquiring cheap players NOBODY want to “fill holes” in the minors.. i mean, seriously, the man “had a good day” and went to sleep mode ever since… is utterly pathetic what’s going on to tell you the truth..
I think donal sould spend more time on metsblog and study the really big met nes of the winter. The progress of the alderson wall. Afterall, we’re gonna have at least 4 guys hit more than 70 HRs this year thanks to donal’s lordship. Its funny the Red Sox signed something like 13 or so minor leaguers in one day, while the Mets have to divert a ticked off fan base with one every week or two. and to think alderson still has defenders.
Every team signs these players. What do you want? Prince Fielder? CJ Wilson?
Who is out there that would make you say “oh, now we are World series contenders”? Because that is what the deals Pujols and Wilson got are about. Winning now. The Mets are not equipped to do that for several reasons, not the least of which is that THERE IS NO MONEY!
Its not being an apologist. It is recognizing a reality.
If you want the easy road, if you want to root for a team that already went through this crap and built their team, if you want to get excited about signing big name big money guys every year, there is another team in this town you might prefer.
But, if you want to see a team being built, if you want to get in on the ground floor of sustained success, if you are an adult that understands the things you want most often require hard work and suffering, if you realize that spending more money you don’t have is a horrible idea, if you know that the only guarantee in life comes with a toaster, then there might be a place for you here.
funny how these alderson worve to be paid by shipers blaseted Omar’s every minor league sign…Afterall Omar signed guys like Valentin, Pridie, Dickey Turner (off waivers) Valedez….. All these guys were far superior to the garbage alderson finds. Yet, Omar was bad. Omar only built the farm from total disaster with all these kids the sandy worshippers are drooling over now that Omar is gone. Alderson has brought in one A ball pitcher and a kid from Wyoming and these worshippers think he’s doing a great job!!!! They have to be paid by the Mets to post this love, because nobody would independently love this losers every move.
omar, don’t even waste your time, they will still come up with excuses, to think, last year at this point the man was a genius, now, there’s no money and is not his fault…..
We all need to look at what’s going on objectively and really see what’s going on.
First on the Omar thing…We all know Omar made mistakes. He was very bad with the media and the approach with players in the low minors didn’t work out. But Omar did take a terrible team with NOTHING in the minors and turned it around quickly. While the farm is still weak, he left it in much better shape than what people give him credit for. Unfortunately for Omar, they hit success too quickly and they didn’t have the depth to win titles and was forced into gambling on Free Agents to fill holes to try to sustain championship runs. Omar was forced into swinging big because that’s what NY fans demanded. After injuries ruined every season he was in charge and his bad media skills, the team was devastated.
Then the Madoff thing hit…Omar got fired…which was needed…and Alderson was put into place, a move I believe was orchestrated behind the scenes by MLB.
Now there are a ton of Saber geeks out there who love the idea finally getting a “money ball” type GM in place and someone who is trying to rebuild the farm…which is something we haven’t had in 30 years. The problem is, the money ball thing is a myth and people glorify an idea that came from a exaggerated book. I also think a lot of people fail to understand what sabermetrics really is…, but because they love the idea of a Saber GM, (and yes, I am a Saber/stats guy) they overlook what Alderson is really doing.
Aldersons main objective is to get the team back in the black. The Mets are losing money, and owe a ton more that they can’t pay back. MLB put Alderson here to fix it…they can’t have a team in the biggest market go bankrupt. Now this isn’t necessarily a bad thing or some devious plan by Wilpon or Alderson…it’s the facts of the situation the team is in.
Hopefully, these money issues will be taken care of quickly…I’m not a Wilpon hater, but I don’t see how he won’t be forced into selling. I hope it’s soon, and the Mets can get back into the business of winning and not the business of just making money. If we are lucky, Aldersons Mets will be stocked up with a ton of good prospects that will be able to add depth to the team when they make another run at championships…which is the one big thing Omar didn’t have when he made his run.
Good post. It is hard to understand why people can’t see the obvious facts sitting in front of our noses. Omar had his good and bad traits. Same for Alderson (specifically the BP he created last year as a bad move). But not taking into account the constraints the team is as Iron Mike says… Ludacrisp.
what’s been good about sandy alderson????? seriously?? can you tell US what has he done that you say, wow, he did a great job??? he’s done nothing but save money to the wilpons trade of krod while bring back NOTHING, traded an all star for a single A pitcher with “high ceiling” and THAT’S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! what has been good about him??? he’s been arguably the WORST GM IN METS HISTORY and you along with others keep justifying all the sh** he’s done here as good things????
He turned Beltran into Wheeler, when we knew Beltran would not resign with the Mets and the Mets would get nothing in return. He got out from Krod’s awful option. No way Krod wouldn’t have re-upped for that amount, which would have hamstrung the team.
I can’t and won’t blame Alderson for Reyes leaving, as he was obviously going to take the money (which I would have done the same) and the Wilpons did not have the money to provide.
No, Alderson is not God and I will agree that the current major league roster would certainly be better with Reyes, Beltran and Krod on this team, but there ain’t no dough in the cookie pot to pay for them. Given the current situation (read: Broke Wilpons), I think he’s done well to work within the financial constraints. The jury is still out on him, for sure, but tabbing him the worst GM in history of the Mets is misguided.
Beltran was rated as the best available outfielder at the trade deadline, why wouldn’t we get nothing in return? Especially when the Mets paid 90% of his remaining salary? A top prospect is the least we should have gotten. Your brain must be soft to call Beltran worthless.
Worthless? I’m not sure where I typed that word.
You made it sound that way. Read your comment again – you sounded like getting Wheeler was an act of God, when it was the absolute least we should have gotten for a player of Beltran’s caliber. Look at what the Stro’s got for Berkman the year before. Look at what the price was for Pence. Beltran had far superior numbers at the deadline than those other two when they got traded.
He said they would get nothing for Beltran when he left. Which is factually true. A clause in his contract freed him of arbitration, which means no draft pick compensation.
So, what is your gripe?
But those players (Pence/Berkman) would return the teams draft picks if they left. Beltran would not. That certainly played into it. That’s why I think getting Wheeler was a nice move and more than I expected. I figured maybe a B and C prospect. Not an A. Beltran was certainly the best player on the market, but other factors go into the value of the player.
Also, Houston has more holes than a leopard has spots. They need numbers of propsects. Also, you had the Ed Wade trading to the Phillies with Pence. That was one disaster of a GM.
I don’t think the Yankees got a pick for Berkman.
He was listed as a type B by Elias. And neither of the guys they gave Houston for him were all that good.
To me, one of Omar’s faults, at least as attributed to him by the media, was his dependence on Tony Bernazard. Omar was pretty smart, but not smart enough to satisfy the Wilpon’s who foisted Tony B. on him. So Omar paid an undeserving price I think. Maybe if Fred fired Jeff instead of Omar, then Tony B., who hoodwinked Jeff, would have been shown the door, and Omar wouldn’t have been so undermined by his assistant and the media.
Omar was pretty good. His signings of older players like Moises Alou was a deal with the devil. Even in the good times, paying a player $15 Million for two seasons with about 100 total games on the field, is a recipe for trouble in the front office.
Des, i agree with all you’re saying, i’ve said many times that omar was way in over his head as a GM and stop being aggressive and more depended on FA. he got burned by the bullpen in 2007 by not bringing old guys back in oliver and bradford, so then he tried to reversed that in 2008-09 by bringing his guys back again when he shouldn’t have, is called second guessing now, but once something bad happened to you once, you don’t wanna repeat the same mistake again.. is a shame because he gets a bad rep for trying to win, he went the wrong way about it in signing perez and castillo, valentine, cora, alou, tatis etc after they all had a good year with the team, he overpaid and got burned, but key word, he TRIED!!!!
now, fast forward to today, we have arguably the WORST GM IN METS HISTORY and is clearly obvious the man is not even trying, but funny thing is, ppl STILL make excuses for him as to why he keeps failing and creating an even worst team by dismantling anything good we had..
Oh, he tried. We give out medals for showing up? You’re from that school of thought, huh.
He tried and had a tremendous advantage. Not just over the current FO, but over at least 25 other teams during his tenure. An advantage his successor has nowhere close to.
But, hey, he tried.
and we also made the playoffs…. forgot to point that out, and had not being for injuries, more injuries, and MORE injuries who knows what might’ve happen the following years.. hell, had pur 3B showed up in the NLCS against the cards we’d be singing a different tune right now for sure…
“and we also made the playoffs”
Once. When you do something once and can’t repeat it, you have to wonder, was that one time a fluke?
” forgot to point that out, and had not being for injuries, more injuries, and MORE injuries who knows what might’ve happen the following years”
You’re right. The Mets are the only team that suffers injuries. And of course, signing guys who had a history of injuries didn’t mean anything. And mistreating other guys who got injuured didn’t help. Starting an embarrassing argument in the media with your best player over a surgery he needed and you signed off on didn’t mean anything.
No, we’ll just say “injuries” like it’s a magic word that makes it all better.
“hell, had pur 3B showed up in the NLCS against the cards we’d be singing a different tune right now for sure…”
Or had our all time greatest short stop done like wise.
Or had we not burned a roster spot on a gimpy Cliff Floyd
Or not be reliant on the shell of Steve Trachsel or Tom Glavine
Or had our super special short stop perform in the stretch run the following 2 years
Or had a better built bullpen the following 2 years
Or not relying on Luis Castillo and his surgical repaired knees the enxt 2 years
Or had an executive who could actually say “2006 was a fluke. We caught a lot of lucky breaks. This teams needs a lot more work to make is a consistent competitor and those fixes cannot be bought”
Maybe if a couple of those things happened, we’d be signing a different tune.
From 2005 to 2008 (4 seasons) the Mets won more games than any other team in the National League and second overall in baseball.
A lot of you forgot to eat breakfast this morning. It’s the most important meal of the day.
Met Maniac — The four year period was when Jose Reyes ruled supremely, not the latter day version who averaged less than half the SB’s he did earlier. His contract down in Florida is was executed by stupid management, hoping to bring in fans who aren’t showing up now. They’ve had two mass clearings down there, and I think Jose may well be part of the third, unless they catch some lightning in the bottle they’re drinking.
Awesome. Which year ended with a World series parade?
Why are you not including the last 2 years?
What happens when you leave out 2006?
Ya, it all falls to crap.
Well which year for Billy Beane ended with a World Series parade? If that’s your standard, who’s The Biggest Loser?
As for Omar’s last two season’s four of his six seasons were winning seasons, Alderson has had seven straight losing seasons. Who’s The Biggest Loser?
What does Billy Beane have to do with this? Please stay on topic.
Minaya had 1 playoff series win in his only playoff run in 6 years. With the a tremendous advantage in payroll.
And I have no idea what a game show has to do with anything.
“Which year ended with a World series parade?”
I thought the playoffs were random? Don’t you tell us that all the time with the A’s? Or does that only go for them?
OK, fine, how many playoff runs? 1?
And another one who can’t stay on topic. This is a Mets fansite. Why do you and your buddies focus on the A’s so much?
Because you say the playoffs are random when you talk about the A’s, but with the Mets, it’s about “how many WS did they win”.
It’s a double standard.
I talk about the A’s?
But yes, the playoffs do have an increased emphasis on the random.
But still, that team was not built for a deep playoff run. Just because random chance plays a greater role does not mean you don’t keep trying to minimize that role.
And it still does not excuse the failures of the next 4 years.
The Mets that year had the best record in the league, so, ya, they were built for a deep playoff run……And they lost to a team that they were much better than too. I’m sure if that was the A’s, you would say that it was random – All luck. You would say something like: ” How can you get any conclusive evidence from 7 games”.
But you can’t say that about the 06 Mets because it disproves your point about Omar being a moron.
Or you can say “why didn’t we go back”?
We gotta remember too that going into the 06 playoffs that the Mets didn’t have two of there best three starting pitchers. Plus there main clog in the bullpen (Sanchez) was gone. Maine and Perez stepped up in the NLCS, but neither of them was supposed to even see the ball. If Pete and DL’uque weren’t on the DL, then maybe Maine of Perez pitches out of the pen instead of Mota and Steve Trachsel never would have made that horrible start that killed the Pen.
Injuries killed the 06 season as much as they killed 07, 08 and 09…you could even argue that 2010-11 got derailed because of injuries too.
But we can’t for get that building a team to win in the regular season is different than building a team to win in the post season. The regular season you need 6-7 staring pitchers who give you a good chance to win. Post season, you need two starters to step up big and shut down for a couple of weeks. It also comes down to who’s hot…who had a best pitching staff last year? Who had the best line up? Neither team won. Did there GM’s and managers do something wrong? Not necessarily, (I do think that the Phils neglected there depth in the filed even though they put together one of the all time best rotations)…but both teams ran into an opposition that was playing better at the time.
That’s a good point, forgot about that. Maine & Perez stepped up and were almost contributors to the Mets going to the World Series that year when 2 of their starting pitchers got hurt.
Yet the unfair second guessers like the ‘t-agees and parrots’ of the world will lead you to believe that Omar never had any replacements for injuries. Of course no amount of replacements can overall replace the amount of severe injuries the Mets had to their major stars under his watch – and Alderson’s for that matter. But Omar had replacements come in when it counted back in 2006 in Perez & Maine. Good find.
its wunderfulllll that geniusalderson is going to what has worked before for him.(the needle). he made his rep with an oakland club that was ground zero for the steriod era.saber mutt tricks not withstanding.geniusalderson should go to germany like arod and check into blood spinning.perhaps he could send the putrid owner of this hardball club there (freddye wilponzie).the last time freddye’s blood moved was when ana benson played mrs santa.omar q lol.