Comments on: Good For John Franco, But Where’s Jesse Orosco?

By: JoeD1966

JoeD1966 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:31:48 +0000

He also save McDowells ass after Roger nearly gave away the 6-3 they had just put on the board. Jesse came in with the tying run on 2nd and shut the door.To me it’s a no brainer.Franco of course deserves to be in but Orosco should’ve gone in already.Orosco was just better.Being the face of the franchise for a while is an indictment of the team.They sucked then.

By: Joe D

Joe D — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:53:07 +0000

Nice post Ed. I think your first paragraph says it all for me:

I’m very happy that John Franco has become the latest member of the Mets’ Hall of Fame. He is more than deserving of the honor, having pitched 14 seasons with the Mets and becoming the franchise’s all-time saves leader. However, I am surprised by the fact that Franco was inducted this year, when there is another reliever who’s been waiting longer and is equally, if not more deserving of enshrinement into the team’s hallowed Hall.

I think eventually he has to get enshrined as well, and I was very surprised and even discussed this with another blogger at the time when they included Cashen, Johnson, Gooden and Straw a couple of years ago. I thought he should have been in that ’86 group. The most memorable image of the Game 7 – World Series win in ’86 will always be Orosco.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:47:43 +0000

………Wendy Peffercooooooorn

By: srt

srt — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:38:56 +0000

hahaha – oops, caught.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:36:32 +0000

Is that a Great Hambino reference?

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:17:14 +0000

It’s on DVD? Too late for me I guess. I got tired of waiting for it to come out on DVD back then and ripped my vhs to DVD on my PC.

You know I have the SNY 9th inning and postgame of the night in 2006 the Mets clinched the division on dvd but unlike 1986 I can’t bring myself to watch it knowing it will have the reverse effect of the 86 tape thinking about what could of been.

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:59:08 +0000

You just got caught SRT. Why don’t we put the protractor away and let the guys who SEE things dictate what the truth is.

By: srt

srt — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:57:21 +0000

It’s a balance between the two. That’s what you can’t seem to grasp.

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:56:14 +0000

For me Franco gets the nod first. Being able to attend batting practice many times, he was always picking up balls, signing them, and throwing them to people in the stands.

Him standing on the mound wearing a dept of sanitation shirt under his jersey ever game represented his roots and respect for the local community. He did so much more than just pitch for the franchise. He was the face for many years.

As for comparing numbers “Mets” between Orosco and Franco, they can’t be taken at face value. Closers threw less innings in the 90′s compared with the ’80′s. Lets not forget about the dead ball era in the early eighties.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:55:36 +0000

Don’t forget the classic “How to make a Hotfoot” as taught by HoJo & McDowell and if you play the tape all the way to the last credit you get the answer to the question “How’d we do it? Mirrors…

By: NJstuckinTX

NJstuckinTX — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:53:02 +0000

A year to remember indeed. With the “Wild Boys” section featuring Dykstra and Backman… Aww Yeah

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:51:54 +0000

of course you’re irrelevant, all you guys do is love sabermetrics and think everything in baseball is numbers without looking at how many things are possible and made without a single stat in the box score..

By: srt

srt — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:49:59 +0000

LOL..since none of us have actually seen Babe Ruth play we’re can’t possibly determine he was one of the best hitters ever?

We can….do you know why? Look at his stats.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:48:33 +0000

You mean the 1986 A year to remember tape?

I do I do.

Heck I have the Mets 25th anniversary tape that came out back in 1986 as well.

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:47:12 +0000

That’s due to the change in how Closers are used now.

By: trs86

trs86 — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:47:06 +0000

I understand your sentiment, but as Alex said it is about more than just numbers. I think being the captain of the team, face of the franchise, and work during 9/11 are things that have to be considered.

Also, this is not a who was a better pitcher debate. Jesse most likely wins that one. It is a Mets HOF and longevity has to count in that.

By: NJstuckinTX

NJstuckinTX — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:45:04 +0000

I’m guessing, if born in 82, he probably did on VHS. I mean, who doesn’t own the 1986 Championship tape?!?!

By: Little Nicky

Little Nicky — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:44:06 +0000

In my opinion yes Orosco should have been in Mets HOF first.

By: jessep

jessep — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:42:50 +0000

the colossus of clout… the colossus of clout

By: Little Nicky

Little Nicky — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:42:14 +0000

One more thing look at Franco he appeared in 240 more games than Orosco but only 101 more innings pitched.

Orosco as Met 2.73 ERA, 1.20 WHIP

Franco as Met 3.10 ERA, 1.365 WHIP