Comments on: What To Expect From The Mets In 2012 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html Sat, 25 May 2013 17:44:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214469 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:07:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214469 Yep and the two guys you say were the best GMs we ever had did it!

Keep listing all the failures of Cashen and mcIlvane, I’m copying them all down the next time you go to defend them!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214468 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:06:23 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214468 I know who it was the question was posed to see if YOU did!

YOUR FAVORITE GMS Cashen and McIlvane didn’t sign them yet Omar ruined the franchise…
YOUR GUYS tore down and ruined a franchise for 15 years yet you blamed it on Wilpon and Omar!

Don’t look now but YOUR GUY is doing it again!
The name has changed but the MO is the same!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214467 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 06:03:45 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214467 And if you want to know where I took my info from here it is…Tell me what it says!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/olerujo01.shtml

Note: “Drafted by the Toronto Blue Jays in the 3rd round of the 1989 amateur draft.”

Now you can WHINE all you want about not signing some 27th rounder who demanded too damn much money all you want.
Bottom line is your guys failed to sign him!

That doesn’t make them smart drafters nor great GMs!
And Omar wasnt’t even in baseball at the time so I fail to see how he had anything to do with it.
You want to blame the Wilpons who two years later you complain about spending money like water!

You kjnow where I was back then?
I didn’t have my head stuck up McIlvanes ass in the 27th round I can tell you that much!

You forget I don’t really care about who we draft until they make it to the MLB!
You and Jessup are the BA strokers around here and the rest of us only care about the MLB team!

Which really only takes 4 or 5 good picks to be good and we already HAVE THEM we just don’t know how long we will have it with Slashy Alderson running the Player Development Sales Dept!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214466 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:57:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214466 No you just throw them out minute by minute or ignore the questions by trying to change the subject..

WHO WAS THE GM? WHAT WAS HIS NAME? WHO IS THE ONE YOU LIKE?
WHATS HIS NAME?

YOUR GUY didn’t sign him!
Doubleday was the owner not Wilpon!

YOUR GUY DIDN’T SIGN HIM!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214465 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:54:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214465 OH YES YOU DID SAY THAT!

Sometime during your 25 year rant of cra where you said the Phillies were SMART DRAFTER beacuse they knew what they were doing when they got Howard!

They didn’t know they had no CLUE they thougt Floyd was the best player!

And you claim they are smart drafters for it!

Face it Either they got goys because they picked before everyone and when they didn’t it’s either because they SUCKED at drafting or got lucky no one else knew Howard was great either!

25 years of supposition and 8 months of you ranting down the fricken tubes!

Good Night!

Facts are Facts!

What we got in that 1st round with heilman and Wright was plenty better than what the Phillies got in thier 1st round the year they took Floyd!
The guy they KNEW was good not the guy they though wasn’t so waitied till the 5th round…
If they were actually smart as you propose then Howard gets taken in the 1st instead…BECAUSE THEY KNEW SOMETHING!

Truth is they knew nothing and so do you!
Just found some statistical cyclical anamoly you decided to exploit and pin it all on Omar!

Didn’t work!

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214463 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:32:11 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214463 About 1500 Hr’s and 6000 strikeouts all gone to other teams for about the cost of one year of Luis Castillo.

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214462 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:28:13 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214462 John Wetland, Darin Erstadt, Matt Williams, David De Jesus, Aaron Rowand, Roger Clemmons, Rafeal Palmeiro, John Olerud, Scott Erickson, Jeremy Guthrie, Dan Wilson, Todd Jones All of them.

Every single one of them. Either out of HS or JC (junior college) Didn’t sign any of them.

I really have to question what state of mind you were in back in those days Metsie. This is all common knowledge.

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214461 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:19:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214461 Let me refresh your memory. Frank Cashen was the GM and Mcilvaine was the scouting director.

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214460 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:17:47 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214460 We drafted Scott Erickson and Todd Jones that year too. Didn’t sign either one of them either.

Just exactly where were you during those days?

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214459 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:15:03 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214459 Look Metsie I don’t throw inaccuracies around like you do everyday on this website.

We drafted John Olerud with the 17th pick of the 27th round in the 1986 draft and we drafted all the other players I mentioned as well. We just didn’t sign them.

Maybe you should have spent a couple of bucks in the Diamond club while you were there.

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214458 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:06:44 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214458 And again MORE Metsie misinformation.

I never said the Phillies KNEW Howard was going to be good.

Hey they drafted a guy who won an MVP and a World Series with them. What do you want from me. When was the last time we did that?

People who root for a team with as bad a history of drafting as the Mets really shouldn’t be disparaging someone else’s drafting prowess, especially when it’s been a big success for them and led to 5 consecutive NL East pennants, something we’ve done 5 times in 50 years.

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214457 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 05:01:44 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214457 More Metsie misinformation.

I never said they were smart to take Gavin Floyd.

But Aaron Heilman couldn’t sniff floyd’s jock.

You can’t possibly be serious about Heilman being better than Floyd could you? If you are your crazier than a loon. Heilman has 630 IP and a 4.40 career ERA and is finished as a middling reliever with just two decent years and 6 bad ones.

Floyd’s a guy that gives you close to 200 IP, walks are under control decent strike outs and at 28 could very well be getting better and go on to have a decent career. Heilman’s very mediocre career is over.

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214456 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:58:26 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214456 Much Smarter than taking a SCRUB in the top 10 then waiting 120 Picks later to get the guy you say they KNEW was going to be good now isn’t it?

We got TWO good players with the first 20 picks!

Phillies got NONE in the first 60!
And then lucked out in the 5th round!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214455 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:54:17 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214455 “See Metsie while you were plunking down your hard earned greenbacks and zoning out field level”

Out of HS and JV? yeah when was he taking over for keith?
Too bad we didn’t draft him!
Someone else did!
Blue Jays…Tell me who was in charge of Player evals that year?
Or was he shipped to SD two monts before as well?

Please stop trying because it’s obvious you think picking high and being lucky is smart!

Well thats what Sandy is going to need before we win anything!
And he’s working on the Picking High part as we speak!

If we get 70 wins we will have the LUCKY part covered as welL!

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214454 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:53:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214454 Yes Metsie clearly it was a very wise move to take Heilman at #18 and then sweat it out for 20 picks that the guy you really wanted would still be be available at #38.

Shrewd draft strategy, were you by any chance involved?

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214452 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:50:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214452 Yeah and just a few minutes ago you said the Phillies were smart for drafting Gavin Floyd…

Heilman turned out to be a very good player…
And they got both didn’t they?

They sure didn’t wait till the 5th round to get Wright and Heilman is 10 times the player Gavin Floyd ever became!
So yes comparing the two drafts Mets were MUCH smarter that year!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214450 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:48:09 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214450 Yeah well show the draft data where we picked them because in the amateur draft we didn’t take them and as far as I’m concerned the HS and JV draft means nothing!

Still haven’t answered the real question there…

WHO didn’t sign them? Who was the GM?
Was it Omar? Phillips?
Or one of the guys you liked in your 25 year highway of destruction?

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214449 Metsie Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:46:01 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214449 We were much smarter to take heilman and Wright than the phillies were to take Floyd and Howard!

Cause would the Phillies look smart in that draft if someone else took Howard in those rounds they passed on him?
WOuld someone taking Howard with the pick after Floyd be smart for taking Howard?

Yep!
And then how smart would the Phiollies really be right now??

HUH?

Keep trying to disparage the point because you KNOW it totally disrupts your 25 year dissertation about how bad Omar made the team despite McIlvanes larger contribution to it!

If the Phillies were SMART they would not have though Floyd was BETTER than Howard!

A fact you can try all you want but can’t run from and no change of subject is going to help you!

They took Gavin Floyd at the top of the first and thought Howard sucked and passed him YET AGAIN for another scrub!

Yeah Smart teams do that kind of thing don’t they?

Get over it, Howard was pure Luck!
After two picks of STUPIDITY!

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214445 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:36:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214445 See Metsie while you were plunking down your hard earned greenbacks and zoning out field level the Wilpon’s were avoiding re investing in the team.

We had the rights to John Olerud. He could have taken over at 1B for Keith. Rafeal Palmeiro in LF, Matt Williams at 3B, Darin Erstadt in RF, Dejesus in CF, Garrett Atkins later on at 3B or 1B. That’s about 1000 HR’s right there and no Coleman or Bonilla, Lenny Randle or Mo Vaughn and just think what we might have been able to exchange some of these prospect for? Maybe Roberto Alomar and Moises Alou or Pedro Martinez ten years earlier.

Clemmons and Guthrie on the mound. Makes you think doesn’t it?

Maybe the GM should have reached into his own pocket and signed these draftees, after all the owner wouldn’t, he was busy reaching into yours.

]]> By: t agee http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/what-to-expect-from-the-mets-in-2012.html#comment-214440 t agee Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:10:49 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=68237#comment-214440 But just a few minutes ago you were talking about how smart we were for taking David Wright with our first pick instead of a lesser player (like an Aaron Heilman for instance) and yet now your bringing up Gavin Floyd who’s had a far superior career than Aaron Heilman and is actually getting better at a time when Aaron has hung up his spikes and is only 28.

You are truly a mountain of misinformation Metsie.

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