7
2011
Trade For Niese Unlikely Tonight, But Things Could Change Quickly
An article by Hojo's Mojo
8:00 PM
Andy Martino of the Daily News, asked two Mets officials if Jonathan Niese would get traded tonight. They responded that it was unlikely, but warned that things could change very quickly.
Martino also said he believes just about every Met is being dangled, except for R.A. Dickey. A source told him that Dickey is unlikely to get moved this Winter.
5:30 PM
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, the Mets are currently talking to three or four teams about starting pitcher Jon Niese.
Heyman says the Mets are looking for multiple players in return, including a catcher, infielder and prospects.
Earlier today Joel Sherman of the NY Post tweeted a similar reported and cited the Red Sox, Padres and Rockies as teams that are interested in the Mets southpaw.
This comes as a bit of a surprise, but I would imagine Niese has infinitely more value than Mike Pelfrey or Dillon Gee right now.
Considering he is left-handed and only 25 years old, you would think Niese would be part of any rebuilding process, but I guess they don’t envision him as part of a 2014 rotation.
Speaking of trade value, Joel Sherman also reported that the Mets have tried unsuccessfully to shop Jason Bay. There was no interest from any team.
Thoughts by Joe D. – How many times must I say it, $85M payroll in 2012, $70M in 2013. Last thing the Mets need is a solid left handed starter who will be arbitration eligible by 2013. Everything that isn’t bolted down will be sold off under the guise of a beautiful fairy tale that we will have a competitive team in 2014. By 2014 all we will have is hopefully the truth of what forces are really at play here.
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This is a potentially smart move. Starting pitching is at a premium this year. Most teams don’t trade their up and coming young starters especially when they’re cost conrolled. The Mets would be smart to exploit the market and get a premium position prospect or two (position players) That would be timed to come up at the same time as the gen y2k.
The risk is picking the wrong guys so they better hope this trade pans out. I like niese very much and it would be awful if this ended up not having a positive result.
There is a very good reason that teams don’t trade cost controlled up and coming young pitchers Dan… Its because its a stupid thing to do. Did Sandy flunk out of Ivy League? Maybe he is suffering from post concussion symptoms.
It’s funny how people complain about Alderson, just the way they did about Minaya. Give it a rest, he is dong what needs to be done. Reyes needed to go, too many injuries. Trade Wright and Niese for prospects, Pagan was horrible and needed to go as well.
I do not agree with this at all. Niese’s curveball is incredible. When he is on, there is no stopping him. He won’t be an ace but a solid #2 in the future is not out of the question what so ever.
Future rotation of Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, Gee & either Santana, Dickey or Mejia.
Just as HoJo said, you would think he would be part of a rebuilding process. Not to mention making league minimum this year?
I think Alderson is getting a bit trigger happy with the trades if he is trying to move Niese.
I don’t agree with this either. Niese is 25j, a young developing lefty and lefties are a premium and practically older than some of the prospects himself, this makes no sense at all.
I meant to say some of the prospects are practically older than Niese!
I hate this idea.
Not a fan of this, but then again, sell high. If he can get something fantastic, awesome. I still think he would be an ideal piece to keep on this team. Very good, cheap, controllable. A head scratch-er, for sure.
This is surprising, but it must mean they are pretty confident that Santana will last all year. I don’t know how they could be, though.
Nah they’re not thinking that. They’re just shooting from the hip in desperation.
I know I was going to catch flack from what I daid but I stand by it. IF the Mets truly have the depth of pitching with Harvey, Familia, Mejia and Whealer reaking into the majors over the next 0.5-1.5 years that’s a lot of pitching. Beyond that the Mets have 4-5 other very good prospects that get lost in their shadow (Peavy, Gorski and others) The Mets should have a large part or a rotation here even if a few guys fail.
We’re going to suck till about 2014 so if we can get two players that project to be ready to contribute as imact or high upside regulars you should consider it.
It’s still a big risk. because it could end up being a bust and you gave away Niese which would blow but its not like the Kasmir trade which was stupid, chasing a wildcard spot they had no business chasing. It would have been a decission make with thoughtful contemplation and planning for the future.
It could end in disaster but it could be an incrediable opportunity. A gamble either way but Ill give Alderson and the scouting guys a 65-35 edge. I mean he got us wheeler for 2 months of Beltran when with no draft pick compenstation.
Trading Niese for Colorado’s catching prospect Wilin Rosario would make sense. Can’t think of any other reason to trade Niese him.
Colorado has a plethora of young arms and Wilin Rosario. I’d even love to get Nolan Arenado if we’re going to end up trading Wright anyway.
I think this is a smart move not of course for 2012 but for 2014 if Sandy can get back for him a solid B plus postional prospect for him a RH corner power bat to replace either Bay or Wright in 2014 as part of the package back for him. IMO, Jon Niese is overrated. WHIPS of 1.40, 1.46 & 1.41 over the past 3 yrs. just don’t strike me as a top 3SP. Niese to myself just struggles too much with mixing his pitches and pitch sequencing 2nd or 3rd time through an order. Plus, now there seems to be some sort of a pattern with Niese hitting a wall in mid August and disentegrating after that which is not what you want when you’re in a close playoff race in Sept. With Wheeler,Harvey,Familia and Gorski climbing, Sandy is telling us by offering Niese around in trade that he feels he has better or just as good internal SP options by 2014. And if Beane had the gravitas to ask the Rangers for prospects LHP Martin Perez, 3B Mike Olt and SS Leury Garcia for Gio, why not Sandy at least check and see if some team out there will overpay for a cheap, now SP like Niese.
I really like Neise a lot. Good stuff, and IMO could be ready to finally click this year.
so, the only logical reason to trade him is if teams are so desperate for a young, cheap LH SP that they will give up a lot (in a sense overpay) to get him.
Like the old saying, you have to give to get. And if this case, if they can trun 1 guy into 2 good players, then consider it.
losing him will sting less if they get a guy back to step in as the starting C and say a young CF (or prospect SP not too far away).
Hey, if you refuse to ever trade away someone with talent, you won’t get what you need back. And as Bayonne has said, you need to take risks sometimes.
Ah th people that defend any and every half you know what movub since he took over. Actually he he made by the ivy leaguer . i bet you just hated every move made by the evil omar didn’t you any. Explain how all these prospects you and the other people who are in a trance of Alderson were brought in by that evil Omar. Alderson has pretty much done zilch to help the club. He actually helped all the other entertainment entities in New york because only the brainwashed will be spending any money on the Mets for a long time.
Sounds like the only way you would be happy with the Mets is if they spent a ton of money on FA, which would be a mistake. Time for them to start over.
‘By 2014 all we will have is hopefully the truth of what forces are really at play here.’
Do you not think most Met fans already realize what’s going on?
Anyone paying attention gets it. I think the Wilpons underestimated the intelligence of most NY Met fans..
They should just sell now, because with reduce revenues for years to come there is no way they manage to hold onto this team.
Great post. The Wilpons think Met fans have the minds of 3 year olds. They have this team in a death spiral which will only get much worse before it gets better. The rebuilding will wait until 2020 because the destruction will take that long.
Giants Won’t Re-Sign Beltran Or Ross
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/giants-wont-sign-beltran-or-ross.html
Beltran to Boston?
Does a guy by the name of Kazmir come to mind here?
Kazmir started yesterday in the DWL, he recorded 2 outs and gave up 2 runs while 2 men were on base yesterday for el escogido.. he looked as bad as advertise… yeah, i can see sandy giving him a chance.
I think Lou’s point was that Niese is today’s Kazmir. He will be sent off in exchange for some retread and then have a substantial career elsewhere. I don’t believe he was implying that Kazmir will now be picked up by the Wizard.
Welcome to rebuilding, if you get blown away you can trade anyone.
No this is not rebuilding. It is self-imposed destruction.
well, thre front office is nto blind and they must see and know things about Niese that make them feel a trade would be advisable. Niese does seem to wear down, but a lot of young starters do. It must be something else. I read that he does not stay in the best of shape. Maybe that has something to do with it. maybe throwing 15 straight fastballs to start a game had something to do with it. He did have a tendencey to start well and then blow up during games. As I said, maybe Warthen and Collins do not like his makeup.
there’s no reason for a team to even be in flushing next year.
I have a whacky idea: Let us wait and see if a trade actually happens before we analyze and criticize it?
Nah, that is just dumb. We need to attack the FO at all times, no matter how unfounded. Each and every rumor we’ve heard the last few weeks has been 100% true and there is no reason to believe this is different.
I wonder if Cincinnati would show interest in Niese. They have a premium farm system that would have the things the Mets are searching for, especially when it comes to catching (Grandal).
The Mets just have to be patient I thought we should have started over after the whole september let downs 4 years ago. I loved reyes and i still love wright but its time to turn the page and look at the bigger picture. Parnell is a bigger dissapoitment than jerrod riggan was a decade ago or royce ring for that matter, i dont think the mets have had a positional prospect that even came close o reyes or wright since they were called up all pitching and no hitting (alex escobar) pelfrey is a dud just like reese havens will be i think jordany valdespin at 2nd and ruben tejada at ss are a good up the middle combo, ike isnt the answer at first good defensive guy i think he will never hit 30 taters, no minor league options afer that so its time to make some moves for defensive upgrades all around and although wilmer flores should be able to replace wright in 2014 so minus a 1b i like the outlook of the mets infield for the next 5 or 6 years just too bad that the outfielders in the minors dont measure up