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2011
Reyes and Marlins Talking Now, Could Announce Six-Year, $111 Million Deal Tonight
An article by Hojo's Mojo
According to Ken Rosenthal moments ago on MLB Network, Jose Reyes and the Marlins could announce an agreement to a six, year, $100 Million dollar deal tonight.
If that happens, that would mean Jose Reyes will have played his last game as a Met without never having received one offer from them. I think that might tick fans off more than the fact that he’s as good as gone.
We’ll update you right after the 10:30 PM press conference.
Original Post 7:00 PM
Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes, reported that the Marlins have offered Jose Reyes a six-year, $111 million contract. Rojas says the Marlins would pay Reyes $106 million over six seasons with a $22 milllon option for a seventh year or a $5 million buyout.
Adam Rubin adds that the Mets will not compete with an offer of that caliber, meaning get ready for Ruben Tejada at shortstop in Flushing in 2012.
Jon Heyman has confirmed…
Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post first reported that the Marlins are pushing hard to sign Jose Reyes this weekend. Marlins president Larry Beinfest told reporters, “It’s hard to say,” he replied when asked about the chances the team could sign at least two players before the winter meetings start Monday. “We’ve been active. We’ve been trying to do some things since the season ended. It’s always hard to put down a timetable.”
Jim Bowden of ESPN also reported the Marlins are going very hard for Reyes. “Marlins putting an all-out press on Reyes hoping for an agreement prior to Dallas…but don’t count out Mets…Reyes is the FA on the clock,” he says. Bowden has some advice for Reyes which is if the Marlins go 6/100 this weekend, don’t hesitate, take it.
Adam Rubin of ESPN New York, points out that if Reyes signs with the Marlins, the Mets would only receive Florida’s third round pick as compensation. The Marlins’ first round pick is protected, and their second rounder is technically going to the Padres since Heath Bell is a higher ranked free agent than Reyes.
We’re going to keep updating this post as necessary….
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Lets be optimistic. Alderson is not showing his cards,when Miami shows there’s he will lay down Aces. Reyes will stay then Alderson will sign Wright for an extension at the same dollars Reyes gets. Then the Mets trade Murphy Pagan Parnell to Oakland for Andrew Bailey.
What do you think????
At this point, I would agree with your assessment of the Reyes situation. I have no doubt that Jose would prefer to stay in New York with the Mets. I think that he and his agent understand that his injury history is preventing him from getting a “zillion dollar” deal for 6 or more years but being a free agent gives him the opportunity to wait and see what the market will bear and then see what Sandy Alderson offers. If he can resign Jose and believes that David Wright is still capable of regaining his stroke despite the beaning he suffered and the newer more friendly dimensions of Cit Field then he might well trey and lockup him too.
If trading Daniel Murphy even up for The A’s closer Andrew Bailey is a possibility….I would be thrilled if Sandy pulls the trigger on that deal.
wait…Sandy said that the budget will be the same whether they sign Reyes or not, right? How can that be? Say the Met sign Reyes for 5/85 and they pay Reyes 17mil the first year and the budget is 35mil after all the current roster’s salaries is paid…wouldn’t it then be 18mil? It can’t be the same. The only way it could be the same is if the WIlpon’s give more cash to Sandy if he signs Reyes. If that’s the case then doesn’t that open up a can of worms? What am I missing here? If that’s the case then why couldn’t the Wilpons infuse more cash even if Reyes signs elsewhere?
he means they will spend the money set aside for reyes elsewhere if Jose does no resign.
I always just look at it as Reyes + 3-4 1mill or less guys filling out the roster vs. no Jose, but 4 mid-priced (5 mill) guys with more talent to fill out the roster. Just remains to be seen where.
Pick any spot where there are decent players for that money (closer? Catcher?). Choose between 2 of them or parnell and Nickeas, and you get the idea.
I was thinking about which would be better (for this year). Reyes and a total disaster of a BP vs. a better BP but no Reyes… I’ll probably be six of 1/half dozen o’ the other either way, but having Reyes is a better long term plan, for sure.
So sign Jose and bring up the kids for the BP!
You can fix the bullpen cheaply. Look at the Rays last year, they rebuilt their bullpen, and did it without spending a dime. Why can’t the Mets do the same? These guys are supposed to be smart, right? so if they are, they can pull it off, without spending much.
It’s been done before.
Rays do have a loaded farm system.It can be done but it takes some luck too.Guys like Farnsworth,Cruz and Peralta are hit or miss guys,the rest are home grown.It’d be nice if we could pull a few kids from our own system and put them in the pen,then spend on some quality starters.We just don’t have those type of arms ML ready just yet.
The budget is what they’ve decided to allocate for the season. It doesn’t have to change; the money just gets spread around differently–depending on whom they sign.
I’m still hoping the Mets sign Reyes, but people are forgetting about the tax difference between FLA and NYC. Florida has no state tax. That’s a huge difference in a $90M or so contract. The Mets would have to better their offer by a lot just to match Miami’s offer.
Remember Delgado had a clause in his contract with the Marlins that if he got traded away (and he did) he was to get MORE money with his new team (the Mets)–because he paid no state taxes in Florida.
I understand that it could be spread around differently. My question is if Reyes signs w/the Marlins then why couldn’t that money that was going to be infused into signing Reyes still be used? Why put it back to whatever area of expense you got it from? If you were going to use it then use it to get 2 SP for example. If you can still use it to add to the roster you already have then do it!
If these guys are as smart as their disciples say they are then they should be confident enough in their decisions to do it. Put more into that roster if you feel you can get those players that will help make you a contender after all.
see above, but that is what they are planning. if you don’t sign Jose, you can spend more elsewhere.
I just wish the Mets had a GM who didn’t think he was smarter than everybody else. I would prefer to have a GM who just wants to win no matter what budget is given to him. I don’t like this “close to the vest waiting for everybody else to make the first move” approach. It never works.
The people who succeed are the ones who go after what they want regardless of their resources.
I wish we had a regular GM instead of this idiot.
when did sandy ever say or imply he was smarter than everyone else? That only comes from some fans that post on internet sites.
and plenty of successful GMs have played close to the vest. They should. How can blabbing all your plans help you?
And working that way does not mean you aren’t trying to get players or to win. Just that you don’t talk to reporters about it.
and if nothing else, you can try to be creative, but you can’t spend more than the resources you have.
Why do you think the gm is relevant here? He was sent from mlb to stop the bleeding while the Wilpon situation plays itself out.
This has nothing to do with the players on the field or the baseball operations and everything to do with cutting.budget.
Don’t misguide your frustration on the gm when the.owners damaged this long ago.
LGM
Thanks for the update. I think the Mets have no intention of signing Reyes. I am hopeful the Marlins continue to play it smart and wait. I would really like for the real “Do-Nothing Agenda” of Met ownership to be exposed.
For those Met fans still not getting what’s going on, go read Howard Megdal’s latest article:
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/12/4408000/victimization-straight-shooting-mets-gm-sandy-alderson
The victimization of straight-shooting Mets GM Sandy Alderson
Howard starts off with:
Hired in October 2010, he entered a personnel minefield laid for him by his predecessor, Omar Minaya, which combined useless players and overpaid ones with booby-trap contracts. That much, Alderson knew.
Then he found out that as a result of Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme, the Mets ownership group was running out of money, and fast. The team’s payroll for players, which was $146 million in 2011, would have to come way down, likely to less than $100 million in 2012.
Alderson confirmed Thursday what has long been obvious to anyone paying close attention to the Mets, which is that the new austerity isn’t a function of any new “Moneyball”-type philosophy of quality-through-thrift. The payroll is being reduced because the owners said it had to be.
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He’s 100% spot on. The Wilpons Sterling Mets are flat broke. There’s a reason MLB loaned them 25 MIL – which they still can’t pay back – and allowed them to raise their debt ceiling. IMO, in the end it isn’t going to matter. Unless the Mets pull off some miracle and get to post season sooner rather than later, revenue will not be anywhere near enough for Fred and Jeff to hold onto this team.
Howard also spells out for those not paying attention just why the Mets haven’t made a move to sign Reyes. Again it’s about the money and nothing but the money – specifically the lack thereof.
Bottom line is don’t shoot the messenger. This isn’t Alderson’s fault. Put the blame squarely where it belongs….with the Wilpons.
I loved that article by Howard and in fact I believe I was the first one to leave him a comment when it originally posted. I’m working on a similar post right now in which I reference this.
Solid post, as always.
Alderson confirmed that the budget was reduced due to lower revenue from baseball operations–that is, lower attendance. Not at all due to Madoff.
I think the article is trying to spin it as the “Wilpons never intended to invest in players” which is not what Alderson said, and not what I believe is true.
When revenue slipped dramatically last year there had to be a change in the budget. It’s depressing, but not surprising. And it doesn’t indicate a “secret agenda” on the part of ownership.
Right,
And I take from that, that a smarter off season last year with the intent to compete for a World Series with the roster you inherited would have resulted in being relative longer into the season perhaps even into September, would have resulted in more fans buying tickets = more $$$.
It has always been my opinion that the new front office felt that they had no chance to compete in 2011 and just gave a “token attempt” if you will – at trying to compete by spending as little as possible when I truly believe that if they just were able to spend a few million more (5-7) it would have resulted in a more successful season.
The only thing you get into this business for is to for the goal that you can contribute to your team going into the post season and winning the World Series. That’s the only reason to LIVE if you are in this business. Alderson had a good enough roster to attempt that and basically he tried to be too cute and blew it. Him and the 2 other General Managers the Mets employ.
Yes I know the WIlpons are broke and that’s another story,
But as for the front office i think the effort was bad and I think the decision making was extremely poor with the budget they had last year.
I know hindsight is 20/20 but another one of the questions that should have been asked at the CC that was masked as an NYU symposium on economics with one blogger trying to sound more intellectual than the next was “Sandy do you feel you that you could have done better with your offseason last year considering that there were plenty of players that could have been had within the same financial constraints you were given”
If it sounds like I’m trying to put as much blame on the Front Office for the job they’re doing with the budget given to them as the WIlpons – I am.
These guys were supposed to be able to work better with a lower budget and actually they’re doing a very BAD job not a good job.
*should read “plenty of other players who had better seasons”
looking back after the season, every single GM could have done better knowing what players ended up doing.
That’s no answer. That is a totally unacceptable response, are you kidding me?
Ahhh everybody has a bad day/off season and could’ve done better so don’t worry about it — are you kidding me? That’s a defeatest attitude if ive ever seen one.
You DON’T have a bad offseason, Period. Especially if you’re the highest paid front office in baseball with the team that has one of the lowest payrolls (assuming that’s true)
what’s so hard to understand?
Every year there are scrubs/MiL signings/cheap FAs that have unextctedly good years. And 29 GMs passed on them. so hell yeah, every GM after the fact would say yes, looking at what guys did, I could have spent my money on better players.
your question makes no logical sense. that’s all.
no man sorry,
you’re just justifying failure because everybody else experiences.
Sorry man but that doesn’t fly in my book and neither should it fly in anybody elses point of view that wants to win. That’s BS my man.
It’s amusing to me when the talking-heads say the Mets stink while totally disregarding the devastating injuries. But when regular Mets fans ignore the injuries it really shocks me. Have you been watching? You don’t think they would have been competitive if they hadn’t lost most of their starting players?
The Mets front-office (and manager) was quite confident in the beginning of the season (as was I) that the team was good. After the All Star break it was obvious the injuries were devastating and the team wouldn’t be what they had hoped.
I know it seems to be the same story every year. But it truly is incredible–the amount of injuries this team constantly has. I’m not young and I’ve never seen anything like it.
More interesting read – http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_marlins_sec_stadium_malfeasance_120211
It likely shows there isn’t much difference between Miami politicians and Big Apple politicians. The fans pick up the tab for government abuse in both places. It’s a good read, Kay.
Interesting indeed, Kay.
I know money is money but I wouldnt play with The Marlins over the NY Mets.
Lebron went to Miami over NY. I know, it’s not quite the same thing, but both cities have their pluses, for sure.
Plus Miami has spectacular seafood. Maybe that’s a negative for Jose, who may avoid Miami due to thyroid issues. (I’ll be here all week. Try the veal…)
Now, let sign us some Reyes.
If this offer 6/111 is true
Then goodbye Jose Reyes, thank you for the memories. I wish it could have been different, good luck in Miami.
Wish I didn’t agree with this but sadly, that’s the reality.
Adios, Jose
He’s as good as gone, good luck in Miami Jose. We never had a chance or an offer, nothing. Biggest lie of 2011 – We want to collect franchise players.
I cant believe it. I wont believe it. Until I see him in a Marlins jersey I’m not gonna let this ruin my week.
If it is a done deal. get it signed now so the Mets can move on with the off season, while there are still plenty of other players available. Worst thing that can happen to a team is being held hostage by a FA you are trying to sign. At least if he goes, they have to move on to plan B.
allocate that money to pitching instead (pen included), and if tejada is at all a ML quality player, the team can win just as many games without Jose.
Ideally you get jose + everything else you need, but sadly, the broke situation of Sterling Mets dictated you can have one or the other at best.