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2011
Rangers Win Rights To Negotiate With Darvish
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The Texas Rangers have won the posting auction of Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish with a record $51.7M bid, sources tell Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports.
The Japanese phenom’s agent, Arn Tellem. issued the following statement:
“The Rangers are an extraordinary franchise in an exceptional city with equally exceptional fans,” Tellem said. ’”Yu is honored to be prized so highly and recognized as a once-in-a-generation pitcher. We look forward to getting negotiations underway.”
The Rangers now have until January 18th to reach a deal with Darvish.
Darvish, 25, went 18-6 with a 1.44 ERA and a league-leading 276 strikeouts in 232 innings last season.
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Joe D. he went 18-6.. also, we shouldn’t be surprised about this.. no way on hell the mets were gonna bid on him… so far we spent $8 million this offseason, we got about $4 million to fill out the rest of the team…
Thanks, fixed it, weak coffee…
JOE, OBLY SOMEONE LIVING IN A VERY DARK PLACE WITH ZERO OUTSIDE COMMUNICATION COYULD HAVE ANTICIPATED OR EXPECTED THE METS TO MAKE A BID, REMEMBER WE’RE “NOT”REBUILDING, WE’RE RESTRUCTURING aka SHIFTING THE DECKCHAIRS ON THE TITANIC. THERE IS NO MORE INTENT TO INVEST ANYTHING ADDITIONAL IN THIS PRODUCT ONLY AN ATTEMPT TO MAXIMIZE THE RETURN ON THE ALREADY SUNK INVESTMENTS. SUNK BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD! I HAVE PERSONALLY FORCASTED A 2012 ATTENDANCE FIGURE FOR 2012 OF APPROXIMATELY 1.7M OFF OF A 2.4M FIGURE FOR 2011
I’M ANTICIPATING A MIDNIGHT MASSACRE EFFECT ON THE IMMEDIATE FOLLOWING YEAR WITH THE ELIMINATIONS OF REYES,BELTRAN & K-ROD REPLACED BY 1.5M WORT OF MINIMUM SCALE WORKERS TEJADA,DUDA,PARNELL(FRANCISCO STILL IN ABEYANCE?)
ALDERSON BROUGHT IN TO LIQUIDATE MORE THAN PARTICIPATE COMPETITIVELY.
HOPEFULLY, WE’RE WITNESSING THE WILPON’S RELUCTANT PRECAUTIONARY EXIT STRATEGY ORCHESTRATED BY SELIG
62, I’ve taken note that you have not posted much since Reyes was cleared out. I agree completely with your take the deck chairs are being shuffled around as the sinking is in full progress. Hopefully, you’re correct that there is an exit of owners (or rather debtors, litigators, and builders of card houses) under way with Selig sponsorship. That is really our only hope and most hopefully your are prescient and prophetic about that. Sans the exit, we’re toast.
No doubt, the Mets would never have had the money to not only win the bidding but then turn around and sign him long-term. While he may turn out to be great, there is a lot more to say that he will not than there is to say he will. History has proved that these guys struggle to live up to the high expectations, sometimes due to no fault of their own. However, what high profile Asian pitcher has lived up to his expectations? Does that mean Yu is doomed? Nope. Does that mean the team that is in the bidding better have money to burn? Yeah.
And before I am jumped on about race, it’s not about race. It is about the complete and total difference of how a pitcher is trained and used in those leagues. More days rest, different size ball, different game played by the teams… the only thing in common is the basic rules of the game.
Okay guys, jump him!
I know but hopefully that group is asleep or out dissecting every Sandy comment looking for a conspiracy and does not have time to deal with little ole me.
Joe, I roared laughing when I read your comment. lol.
On a serious note, an easy way to defame someone is to accuse them of racism. In the past it worked a lot, but Americans, including lots of Mets fans, are up to that ploy now.
Can we stay on subject???? this guy is a good pitcher, someone you can help build your rotation with, yet, the conversation is about race??? seriously sand alderson’s apologist are running out of excuses…
Help me out, where do you suggest the Mets get the money to bid and sign Yu? This is NOT about Sandy on this one. IF the Mets had money to do the move THEN we could debate it’s merit. However, they don’t…
Of Course you come out with a negative comment about him because sandy didn’t post a bid.. then you pull out the different card crap, now, had sandy place a bid you would’ve said how great this is for the franchise blah blah … you know, this is getting pathetic, the man mention franchise players in 2012 and yet, about 5 of those are in the market and yet nothing, bt hey, we sign john rauch and francisco after saving TONS of money on krod, beltran, perez, castillo, reyes and even pagan’s non existent contract.. this is just sad
Alex68, In the year 2012, you’d do better scouting for the Nationals or Yankees. Leave the Mets alone — there’s no action in Flushing. lol.
Don’t put words in my mouth Alex because you can go back and look that I have ALWAYS been cautious about Yu. I can’t see paying the posting fee AND signing him long-term as a good move for the Mets, even if they had the money. However, they don’t have anywhere near the money so the point is moot anyway.
’86, U R PART RIGHT; BUT ASSUME FOR JUST A SECOND THEY HAVE A HIDDEN STASH(CURRENT PARTIAL OWNERSHIP SALES) FROM WHICH TO CARVE A BID; NOW HOW DO THEY GO FROM KNEE SCRAPING POSITION BEGGING FOR MORE LOAN $$$ & CURRENT LOAN EXTENSIONS TO PLACING A SIZEABLE BID ON DARVISH, THERE’S OBVIOUSLY A “LUCY” EXPLAAAIINING MOMENT AROUND THE CORNER.
“Darvish, 25, went 8-6 with a 1.44 ERA and a league-leading 276 strikeouts in 232 innings last season.”
I didn’t realize he was so young. I thought Japanese players were required to put 10 years service into their league before they could go to MLB.
6’5 tremendous power and zip on his fastball, a gamer, and a guy who wants the ball in big moments… basically a franchise pitcher, you know, the kind sandy wants, and yet …………………………
…there is not $50 million + to sign him.
And how about we wait and see how much of a franchise player he is? The guy has many MLB games as Brandon Nimmo.
I guess nimmo has played against major league baseball players and dominated the way this kid did in the WBC 2 years ago right?? this obsession with sandy’s kids is making wanna root against them.. brandon nimmo hit 211 last year against CLASS A, This guy DOMINATED the league where he pitched.. you do the math.. can we give nimmo Double A before we even mention his name in this site please????
I noticed no where did you mention Yu Darvish pitching in MLB. Huh.
Nimmo cost how much? Yu cost how much? Come on. This is not about Sandy, this is about common sense. The only way you can BUY something is to either pay cash for it or charge it. The Mets don’t have the ability to do either.
Nimmo costs $2.5 million right??? well, he might not even make it to the bigs and be a complete bust just as many BA prospects… so, please spare me the drama..
So… you want Sandy to bid 2M on Yu and then sign him to a 10 year 50K per year contract?
what does Brandon Nimmo have to do with Yu Darvish?
Nothing.
you know, read again and see it was donal who brought that kid up not me, secondly, yu is ready RIGHT NOW, nimmo, who knows, talk to me in 2015 ok..
He’s just saying Darvish has no MLB experience so it’s tough to judge what he’ll be. Just as it’s tough to know what Nimmo will be. That’s as far as the Nimmo comparison’s go
To get Darvish you’re talking $125mil commitment most likely.
And Darvish can end up like Irabu, Kaz Matsui, Dice K, Shinjo, and all those other players who couldn’t make the jump. There have been 3 Japanese players who could be considered successful and only one of those could be what one would call a franchise player.
Nomo was only playing in Nippon from 90-94 before he came to LA in 1995.
Donal! After 10 years they become free agents with no posting fee required,like Ichiro and Hideki Matsui.Posting fee’s are for the Japanese players that haven’t reached 10 years yet.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
Of course, it’s no mystery that the Mets would not bid on Darvish. He is the epitome of “eyewash” for this team. His quality level is so high above what we seek that the thought of a Mets bid is preposterous. Certainly the Yanks would bid as they believe he is their birthright. Nolan Ryan’s Rangers would certainly bid as well. Toronto? Isn’t it sad to think that Toronto is able to try to compete for him, but the Mets cannot even in their wildest dreams think of bidding.
I love the quote from Smarporpoise! Apparently the Mets are now recognized as a laughingstock and butt of jokes. These are difficult times for Mets fans. What did we ever do to deserve this? To be a Mets fan requires a level of loyalty that rises above insult and injury and elevates us to the level of sainthood.
maskman — Infinitely worse than the Mets not bidding is the Mets bidding and signing the guy. Then the Mets would have to go back to Einhorn and get the money.
If only that could actually happen! Are you actually saying that would be a bad thing? Einhorn would have the promise of getting this franchise back into the right direction, whereas the status quo sends us into oblivion. Give me both Darvish and Einhorn. I’ll sign up for that in a second.
Considering he has been out of the negotiations for a long time now, how would the Mets bidding on Yu have an end result in him being the owner?
I don’t know. Ask Des, that was all his idea.
I really like Darvish. I actually set my DVR for the Japanese World Baseball Classic games to see him pitch.
The problem here is he’s 25, which is great but you also have to remember that MLB pitchers pitch on different rest than Japanese, so that is part of the “stretch out” period that likely has to take place.
He’s got an insane # of pitches, which will likely be dumbed down by any MLB pitching coach (see Dice K).
So there is a big adjustment for Darvish.
He’s already used to being rich and famous which always helps when drawing bids from NYY. He also doesn’t pitch like the Nomo/Kuroda’s that you’re used to. He has a very old school MLB style delivery. He’s got that Tom Seaver drop and deliver. He pitches like Seaver and Lincecum had offspring lol
I think whoever gets him, is taking a gamble but it’s a gamble worth taking if you have the $. Dice K’s team got a $51mil posting fee so I have to imagine Darvish’s will be over that. (Mets did bid on Dice K)
The posting fee guarantees you nothing but exclusive discussions. I think Dice K got something like 6/60 with incentives so you know right there Darvish is going to get more $.
For people complaining the Mets didn’t bid, yeah it stinks but you can’t be surprised. In order to sign Darvish, the Mets likely would have to gamble $55mil that they COULD sign him and then get him to sign something like 6/75. That’s more $ than Reyes signed for… so why people even had a slight thought the Mets would be in on this is beyond me.
Just bad timing for the Mets with Yu Darvish. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t a NY Yankee.
So you knew all this about Yu Darvish and yet you never even posted a blog on it, wonderful, absolutely wonderful. This would have been interesting to know in the last two months.
I was too busy being called names, arguing and thinking up conspiracy theories like my last post to write a blog on Yu Darvish. Plus, I honestly never ever felt he was an option for NYM so I didn’t see the relevance.
Jessep fix your typo, replace NYM with ATL
Now we have 2 Joe Ds. I can’t tell who is who
What were they going to bid on him ? $ 1.5 million ?
The Mets are moving into N.O. Hornets territory, with the Commissioner calling the shots.
I hope this is true. Would love to see Toronto make a serious play for that division soon
jessep December 15, 2011 at 11:12 am .
He’s just saying Darvish has no MLB experience so it’s tough to judge what he’ll be. Just as it’s tough to know what Nimmo will be. That’s as far as the Nimmo comparison’s go
To get Darvish you’re talking $125mil commitment most likely.
Once again YOU WILL BE WRONG… and btw, where is my gift i won when i predicted reyes ending up with the marlins????
uhhh hey slapnuts
“The Toronto Blue Jays reportedly have posted a bid close to $50 million for the negotiating rights to Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish, according to George King of the New York Post.”
How am I wrong if his contract isn’t done? If Toronto wins with a bid of $50mil, he needs to get a contract worth $75mil for me to be right..
As I said “I think whoever gets him, is taking a gamble but it’s a gamble worth taking if you have the $. Dice K’s team got a $51mil posting fee so I have to imagine Darvish’s will be over that. (Mets did bid on Dice K) The posting fee guarantees you nothing but exclusive discussions. I think Dice K got something like 6/60 with incentives so you know right there Darvish is going to get more $. For people complaining the Mets didn’t bid, yeah it stinks but you can’t be surprised. In order to sign Darvish, the Mets likely would have to gamble $55mil that they COULD sign him and then get him to sign something like 6/75″
I understand you don’t understand simple things but you really should re-read things before you claim to have things correct.
On November 14, the Boston Red Sox won the bidding rights to Matsuzaka with a bid of $51,111,111.11, outbidding the Texas Rangers, New York Mets, and New York Yankees.
December 11th In Boston, Matsuzaka passed his physical and signed the six-year, $52 million contract, which could be worth as much as $60 million if he fulfills incentives. The details of the contract include a $2 million signing bonus with a $6 million salary in 2007, $8 million in each of the following three seasons (2008–2010), and $10 million in each of the final two years (2011–2012). He also has a no-trade clause, specially constructed by the Red Sox to fit Matsuzaka’s contract
once again i PROVED YOU WRONG, for once, shut the f*** up and bow down little kid…
Alex what the heck are you talking about? What did you prove except that you don’t understand the process?
Red Sox paid $51.1 mil to Dice K’s Japanese Team. That is separate from his actual contract you fool.
Red Sox then signed a contract with Dice K worth $60mil with incentives
51+60 is 111.
I said Darvish will likely get MORE than Dice K. Which is why I guessed at 50mil posting and $75mil contract. 55+75 = 125
good job again, alex
Thanks bayonne, the know it all should be at the negotiation table instead of wasting his time here in MMO…
good job at what? Repeating exactly what I said and then saying it proves me wrong?
You both do realize you’re totally off on this right? I’m starting to think you don’t understand what a posting fee is
alex, you actually did post exactly what JP said, so you proved he was right.
And no one knows what Darvish will take to sign, but the posts yesterday did mention $75 mill, so 120-125 is certainly possible for a total commitment..
any: I’m not crazy right? Maybe alex and bayonne don’t understand that the $50mil doesn’t go to Darvish? So a $120+ mil commitment is still very possible? I’m not sure how they proved anything here except that… they don’t understand the system?
Alex: “once again i PROVED YOU WRONG, for once, shut the f*** up and bow down little kid…”
Please tell me how you proved me wrong about Darvish? Bow down? I can’t wait to hear your explanation on this.
Beware, you’re wrong… so be careful.
One of the easiest things to teach when you’re involved in sports is losing with class. The hardest thing to do is to win with class.
You do neither.
Because somebody who doesn’t understand $50 mil is just to talk to him and when I say a $125 mil commitment that means posting fee+salary tells me to bow down to them?
or because somebody who said they won a contest when they didn’t win tells me to bow down to them?
I guess I’m 2-0 today, that’s a good day. You guys tried hard but you failed. Good effort.
How’s that for winning with class?
i don’t have to try hard to make you look like the sneaky, ‘momma’s boy that hides behind is mom while sticking out his tongue’ characteristics you show because that’s exactly what you are.
Congratulations on a rare good day but as a result you still show the smarmy, slithering, sliminess you may as well patent
For such an established athlete, such as yourself… I would have thought “One of the easiest things to teach when you’re involved in sports is losing with class” would play into your development as an athlete?
Guess not… weird
Very classy.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/mmo-jose-reyes-prediction-contest-win-a-free-gift.html
I won this contest jesseP… where is my book!?!?
Alex, I will chek on this. It was Joe D’s book but technically I don’t think you won. But if you did I’ll let you know. Mr NJ got the date closest to Reyes’ signing. The team was the tiebreaker and you guessed wrong on contract length (you said 5 with 6 year option) and you said $19mil a year when Reyes is making an average of $17mil a year.
But thanks for reminding me.
“When Reyes officially signs.The person (or persons) who are closest to that date, will receive 3.5 points. (Example: If Reader A says December 2, and Reader B says December 4 and he signs on December 3, they both earn 3.5 points.)
How many years he gets (option years excluded). The person (or persons) who hit that number will receive 1 points.
How much he gets per year (without incentives/bonuses). The person (or persons) who come closest to that number will earn 2.5 points. (Example: Same as date, if Reader A guesses 15mil, and Reader B guesses 17mil, but Reyes gets 16… we both win unless somebody guessed 16.)
Where he signs +4 (only those with points from previous question can earn +4, thus its essentially a tiebreaker.)”
Again, your name was on the article so i figure it was you…
again:
Date: December 10, 2011
Years: 6 (5 years with an option)
How much Per Year: $19 million
Where He Signs: Miami Marlins
Mr North Jersey November 8, 2011 at 8:21 am .
Nice contest idea Joe D.
Date: December 9, 2011
Years: 5
How much Per Year: $18.5 million
Where He Signs: NY Mets
will November 8, 2011 at 1:48 pm .
marlins, 20m per yr 5 years 12/5
Me AND will were the closest… you can always check again, i know it burns that the 2 guys who always call you out for what you truly are won the contest… suck on that!!!!
LMAO! Your forced me out of my exile Alex!
I had forgot all about this contest.
It looks like Will and Alex are the closest to me as well.
outstanding job again alex,
What’s amazing and should be pointed out is how silly it is how the “snake oil salesman” is trying to slither & snivel his way out of it..and he posts his reasons why he’s trying to slip & slide, & slither out of it out here for all to see!
Good job being honest, alex. Some of us may lose our temper but at least I’d rather do that than try to snivel, slither, and grease my way out of it the William H. Macy character in Fargo lol
*like the William H. Macy character in Fargo
i meant to say
hey Bayonne. Thanks for all of the kind words. Alex68 didn’t win, but I’m sure you wouldn’t dare look into facts before you judge something next time right?
Have a great day
you would act the same way whether he wins or loses so no, it doesn’t matter.
Once a sniveling snake oil salesman always a sniveling snake oil salesman
hey Alex, thanks for reminding me about the contest.
I updated it with the winner, it’s not you but hey you had good guesses.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/mmo-jose-reyes-prediction-contest-win-a-free-gift.html
Congrats to Mr. North Jersey
Thanks Joe D, Jessep and everyone at MMO.
great job NJ! You should thank Alex too since I would have forgotten had he not tried to claim victory
Well let me just say I would not consider myself an avid reader but I look forward to reading this and while I am obviously glad to have won had it not been me I would of loved nothing more than for Alex to have won.
That’s what I call winning with class.
http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/538_applause.gif
JOE D, wait, how did MNJ win again??? Didn’t he pick the mets to be the team of destination???? he picked the wrong team and he won?? who votes for this???? joe D who was in charge of this?? me and Will should have won… not MNJ…
Alex68: The rules were the rules. We’re not going to change them just because you feel you should have won. NJ was closest to the date Reyes signed, and was closest to the amount of $ he earned per year.
You guessed Miami correctly, nice job. Too bad that was a tiebreaker.
Thanks for participating though
Congrats MNJ, i actually wanted to donate the book to anything joe D would’ve wanted…too bad jesseP was the one in charge of that…
Thanks Alex.
Congratulations MNJ. Good job. Wish you were right about the team though.
Congrats MNJ. I got your email reply and your book will ship in the morning.
you didn’t win, but made good guesses.
The Mets were planning on placing a bid on Darvish but, as it turns out, neither Jeff, Fred, or Saul happened to have change for a Dollar in their pocket. And Bank of America told them they were maxed out on loans and took that Dollar bill they jointly shared as payment toward their $40 million loan. LOL
That’s a lot of scratch for an IFA.
I know he was good in Japan, but is he enough of an MLB sure thing to essentially give him a bigger contract than Halladay, and close to Lee (if it goes 6/120 combined, adding in the posting fee).
For that kind of investment, you better be damned sure he is going to be a top of the rotation stud.
Acc. to Anthony Castrovince, there are reports in Japan that the top bid for Yu Darvish was 37MM yen or app.48MM $$. Not confirmed. He also suggests the Blue Jays placed this bid.
If that is true, its a GREAT job by Toronto and a BAD job by NYY.
If Dice K cost $51.1m, how you bid under that if you’re NYY in bad need of a SP is beyond me.
So $48m, that goes to the Japanese team Sach (I know you know that but clearly some friends above don’t) then negotiations start.
Toronto may have some issues to work around with their contract. For example, Canada has a 15% flat tax on signing bonuses on athletic contracts. Not sure how that effects things, I know they had to work around it with Vernon Wells.
But you figure 5-6 years 65+mil. So still over $100mil commitment by Toronto. If it happens, a great job by them.
Off topic- Those who cry the Mets gave away Reyes, Beltran & Rodriguez do notice that no team in MLB except for the Marlins with Reyes has exactly banged down their door for their services at their asking prices. And if it wasn’t for the Marlins and their new stadium and wanting to appeal to the Latino market, Reyes would have had to crawl back to the Wilpons and Mets.
Sach, exactly. How many teams are approaching success and need or needed a SS?
SF? PHI? MIL? DET? to name a few?
Seems odd that if he was such a smart buy, why didn’t they get in on it? Alderson prolly GM’s those teams too.
UGH- I DONT LIKE- Acc. to Tracy Ringolsby- Jon Niese is believed to be available for a package built around Rockies OF – Seth Smith. Which means Sandy might be thinking about trading Lucas Duda. I DON’T LIKE AT ALL!
I don’t like it either.
Look at Smith’s numbers at Coors and away from Coors:
Home: 608 AB’s, 120 RS, 39 2B’s, 14 3B’s, 31 HR’s, 113 RBI, 68 BB’s, 101 K’s, .296 BA
Road: 677 AB’s, 80 RS, 39 2B’s, 5 3B’s, 20 HR’s, 68 RBI, 74 BB’s, 150 K’s, .257 BA
He’s also 4 years older than Niese by the way.
If that is true Sandy Alderson is insane and there is a madman running the New York Mets front office.
Nobody should buy that building for the future because prospects/young players/young star players/ anybody and everybody will be moved….oh…except David Wright
Maybe Joe D was right – Sandy may simply want to get rid of the old guard’s players and fill it with his own.
Winning? Forget that, that’s not important
Unless Bay is part of this deal, or it involves a catching prospect as the fulcrum to this trade, it makes no sense what so ever. Almost 30 year old OFs do not get traded for mid 20′s LHPs with wicked curves (the pitch, not his figure) unless said 30 year old OF is a monster. This borders on rumors of Lohan being sober or Bayonne being cordial.
I don’t understand why we need to pay that kind of money just to talk to a player like that, really what kind of world is this, i think that’s high robbery. Really just to talk. It’s sick money wasted. yes a great ball player , just to pay that money to just talk. It;s so wrong.. The sport that was once a gift to give young kids in something to believe in is now a sport of just money, money to ballplayers who are way over paid. It’s just a sin how this is turning about. Sad day for the sport of baseball.
LARMAN, THIS CURRENT POSTING SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY NOT WHAT U OBVIOUSLY THINK IT IS AS THE PLAYER GETS NONE OF THE BID OUTSIDE OF THE FREEDOM TO TALK TURKEY WITH A MLB CLUB. LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. A COMPETITOR HAS A PATENT (CONTRACTED AGREEMENT) ON AN ASSET(BALLPLAYER) AND U WISH TO USE HIS ASSET IN THE MAKING OF YOUR PRODUCT(TEAM), IF THIS WERE GIZMOS & GHYROS YOU WOULD NEED TO PAY THE PATENT HOLDER FOR THE RIGHT TO INCLUDE HIS DESIGN IN YOUR FINISHED PRODUCT, MUCH IN THE SAME WAY, THE NIPPON LEAGUE, THOUGH AT AN INFERIOR LEVEL IS A COMPETITVE LEAGUE TO MLB FOR THE ASIAN SPORTS DOLLAR IN LABELED GOODS & SERVICES MORE THAN IN ADMISION(SEATS) TO GAMES.
AS SUCH IN THIS INSTANCE DARVISH IS THE CONTRACTED ASSET OF THE NIPPON LEAGUE “HAMFIGHTERS” TO ATTEMPT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT CONTRACTED RELATIONSHIP THE MAJORS HAVE AGREED UPON A METHOD CALLED “POSTING” BY WHICH THE HAMFIGHTERS GET TO DECIDE #1 IF THEY ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MARKET “THEIR RIGHTS” TO THE AMERICANS, IF THEY DECIDE TO ALL AMERICAN BASEBALL LEAGUE(MLB) TEAMS GET TO PLACE A SEALED BID BEFORE THE HAMFIGHTERS TO CHOOSE FROM AS TO THEIR SELLING PRICE OF THEIR RIGHTS TO COMMUNICATE WITH ‘THEIR’ ASSET,PLAYER. WHETHER THOSE TALKS WITH THE PLAYER RESULT IN HIS SEVERING TIES WITH THE HAMFIGHTERS AND CHOOSING TO RELOCATE TO THE STATES OR NOT IS THE PLAYER’S DECISION, HELL, “LEGALIZED”SLAVERY WAS DISSOLVED BY ALL ‘CIVILIZED MODERN NATIONS AROUND 150 YRS AGO. ONCE, IN THIS CASE, DARVISH AGREES TO TERMS WITH THE AMERICAN WINNING BIDDER, DOES DARVISH GET TO RECEIEVE HIS FIRST DOLLAR, SHOULD NO AGREEMENT BE REACHED IN TIME ALOTTED, 30 DAYS, DARVISH’S PROFESSIONAL LIFE CONTINUES ON AS IF THIS NEVER OCCURRED PLAYING FOR HIS ‘HAMMIES’
Okay so Toronto won the bidding. Lets go get 1 of there catchers. Toronto has a need for a DH 1st base type player. Offer them Murphy or Duda, and Niese for travis D’Arnauld and Travis Snider.
Gotta be more than $51.1. I’m thinking $55.
So any guesses on how high the actual winning bid will be for Darvish? SI writer says it’s a record bid.
Japanese officials: Winning bid for Darvish to set posting record
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/12/17/yu.darvish/index.html
Nice job by Texas. 51.7 is a record, and you have to assume he’ll get at least 5/75 which is what CJ Wilson got.
So while their investment will be (wait for it Alex) about $125mil, the ceiling for Darvish to be better than Wilson over the course of his contract has to intrigue Ranger fans
I just don’t see how he is going to be worth the difference in the contracts between the 2.
trs: Part of the problem is you have to separate the posting bid once it’s done. It’s a 1 year invested total, and it’s significant but it’s part of the system. Right now if your Texas, you can’t think of it as “we already paid $51.7 mil for Darvish” because while it’s true, you didn’t buy Darvish, you bought exclusivity. If Wilson/Pujols/Reyes etc. had posting rights, it’d be a similar scenario.
Right now if you’re Texas or a Texas fan your concern is the contract. If Darvish gets 5/75 (or more) then you’re focus is on those 5 years of performance versus Wilson’s. Wilson will be 34 in his final contract year, if Darvish is what some expect then he’ll be worth more to Texas over 5-6 years than Wilson would
But still the total value is the same. You still have to factor in that 51M could have gone towards 2 years of Fielder and you would have still had enough to sign CJ or a comparable pitcher at the contract rate.
He’ll get the same treatment dice K got. make it 6 years at around $50 to 60 million… unlike the $125 some idiot suggested..
Oh dear Alex: Since you don’t understand what the process is, here you go
Texas is paying a reported 51.7 million dollars (real money not monopoly) to Yu Darvish’s Japanese baseball team. That’s a 1 time fee for exclusive negotating rights.
THEN Texas has to actually sign Darvish to a contract. If that contract is similar to one that CJ Wilson signed (5 years $75 million)
then what you do is, you take 51.7 and you ADD that to 75 and then hit the equals symbol on your calculator and you get $126.7 million.
The Red Sox paid over $100 million for Dice K.
You really should think before you call people idiots, especially when you don’t understand what is going on.
You don’t have to apologize you can just reply with “Thank You” so I know you understand.
Alex man you are making yourself look foolish. It is clear he was talking about the total commitment which will come in around 125M. You make a lot of good points on here and are right about a few things… this time it’s better to admit you either did not understand the question or you were wrong. Don’t champion it, just admit and move on.
TRS, i clearly understand how the bidding go, the thing is, that idiot you befriended somehow thinks he has some inside on what will be paid, first he guranteed the BLUE JAYS WILL PAY X AMOUNT FOR HIM, wrong!!! the rangers got him, now, he’s assuming what will be pay because he chose a figure, why doesn’t he like most of us wait and see what’s the total is before making stupid assumptions???? the report was $51.7, he then said. not, is $55 million, like he’s in the business camp of the rangers or something… iI don’t see what that little kid gains with that…
Alex, actually you clearly do not understand the posting system.
The 1st report was Toronto. I am not a reporter, I commented on something that was reported and discussed it.
I said it would take more than what Dice K got via posting, and with the Yankees in the mix I thought for sure it’d be closer to 55 than 51.7 (51.1 is the record). I’m not sure why you think that makes me an idiot?
I suggested that whoever signs Darvish will be commiting likely around $125 million… news of his record breaking posting is announced and you say “unlike the $125 some idiot suggested..”
Proving you have no idea what the posting system is. Stop trying to back pedal and pretend like you’re right here. You just continue to make a fool of yourself.
Bro, how am i back pedaling?? his contract is different that what the bidding is, the team gets the money for the bidding, the player gets the contract, although all the money goes out of the rangers pocket, so i am not saying you’re wrong, but the total amount has not been set and you’re disputing already that the amount will be what YOU want, not what it will be. that is my problem with you forever, you always right and your comments are the one we should consider, i mean, how stubborn you have to be to see reports EVERYWHERE that the posting was for $51.7 million and you come out and say, nope, they’re wrong, is more like $55.. i mean, lol, give in man, for once just shut the hell up and wait and see…
Alex: A few things and ten we’ll just wait for Darvish to sign if he does
“his contract is different that what the bidding is” Exactly so when I say “To get Darvish you’re talking $125mil commitment most likely.” A financial commitment is to the sums combine. Did the Rangers not just already commit 50+ million on Darvish?
“although all the money goes out of the rangers pocket, so i am not saying you’re wrong, but the total amount has not been set and you’re disputing already that the amount will be what YOU want, not what it will be. ”
There’s only 1 person on here claiming I am an “idiot” for my suggestion of a total of $125. That’s you. You’re the one claiming some sort of victory of me when the contract hasn’t been finalized.
“you always right and your comments are the one we should consider, i mean, how stubborn you have to be to see reports EVERYWHERE that the posting was for $51.7 million and you come out and say, nope, they’re wrong, is more like $55″
Again, not factually accurate at all. The report was that Toronto likely will win the rights and I quote “The Toronto Blue Jays reportedly have posted a bid close to $50 million for the negotiating rights to Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish, according to George King of the New York Post”
To which I replied that I felt it would have to be MORE than Dice K Got. Who was right there?
You don’t even know what the final posting # was. If Darvish’s contract+posting is around $120mil, will you admit you were wrong and take back all of your “idiot claims.” ?
In fact I’ve been pretty dead on here. I said it would take more than Dice K to post, correct. I said it will likely be a $125 million commitment by his team. If the posting fee was 51.7, I need Yu Darvish to sign for 73.3 mil to be dead on, but I’ll give or take a few mil since it was a ballpark guess.
I still don’t see why you don’t understand that calling me an idiot in this situation proves your lack of understanding
Come on Alex, we all make stupid assumptions all the time. That’s what bloggers do. Think about how many “stupid” assumptions you have made this week.
TRS86, by defending this guy you’re proving yourself to be part of the group that a lot of ppl here dislike, i suggest you stop defending this guy if you do not know the history here…
Alex, I don’t pick sides. I think from my Metsblog days you would understand that. When you say something I agree with, I will support it. When Jessup does I support it as well. I don’t come on a blog to play games like my daddy is bigger than your daddy… Couldn’t it be said if I defended you “by defending this guy you’re proving yourself to be part of the group that a lot of ppl here dislike”? Jessup has a very worthwhile assumption here. The bid combined with contract is going to be around 125M based on most accounts.
Right TRS. I think a $125 ballpark is very reasonable. Darvish has been the youngest “rich” player in Nippon history twice. Meaning youngest to reach $200m yen and then youngest to reach $300m yen. Now yen to us dollar won’t dictate how much he gets here because the rario is crazy, but the thought of being paid well still has to be on Darvish’s mind. 5/75 is NOT a bad contract for either party
again, before was around $101, i respect him having his opinion, but what bothers me is how he wants to shove his opinion down everyone’s throat without being objective, he’s assuming just like the rest of us, but he’s 100%, that has always been my problem with him, did you see his brad eamus article?? i mean, you have got to be kidding me, did you see his ALDERSON HAD A GOOD DAY ARTICLE becase he acquire some scrubs after losing the best player in franchise history?? i mean come on man… also, i don’t need you to intervene for me, i am a grown man, i am sure for him you can since he’s like 22 yars old…
now you’re just rambling and proving you’re driving an agenda down our throats.
I said $125mil commitment, right now Texas is on the hook for 51.7 (if he signs) without talking to Darvish so lets see where it goes. Only 1 person called the other an idiot for having an opinion. You.
“but what bothers me is how he wants to shove his opinion down everyone’s throat without being objective”
Alex, doesn’t that describe about half the posters on this site, including yourself?
trs: From this morning’s ESPN Dallas story on Darvish
http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7371223/yu-darvish-bid-shows-texas-rangers-big-market-club
“This is about low-key owners Bob Simpson and Ray Davis, who gave Jon Daniels permission to reportedly drop $51.7 million on the Nippon Ham Fighters just for the right to negotiate a deal with Darvish, who reportedly wants a five-year deal in the neighborhood of $15 million per year.”
Man I’m such an IDIOT. 5 years, times 15mil a year is how much again? 75? Weird. 75 plus 51.7 is 126.7mil. I’m so dumb.
OK Jessup I gave you praise for having a fair assumption. However, I will say that I think you enjoy the back and forth with Alex. Otherwise you would not need to go back and say looky looky I was right…
I don’t take too kindly to being called an idiot over and over again, what can I say
But in the end, what do you care? I think both of you need to remember:
“Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
You both feel each other are foolish but in the end what does someone in the middle view the disagreement as?
Lmao, you can’t make this stuff up, the funnies title i’ve seen in a while from one of the mets blogs:
Mets Outbid On Darvish
LMAO, Really???!
Alex, that’s not what the title says and it didn’t even mention the Mets in the post.
Joe D, i was talking about a blog that posted that this morning… forgot which one was.. but i found it funny because is like really?? with sandy at the helm and the owners we have i seriously doubt we even called them up let alont posting actual Money to win this guy..
It obvious many of you guys need to get laid around here. Every day trying to smear each other, or prove each other wrong. Also coming up with wild conspiracy theories about Alderson purposefully trying to make the team worse. Go get some trim and if you can’t go buy a toy and drop it off for a needy kid or something. This anger can’t be good for any of your constitutions.
Man do I ever agree. While I really like this blog, that was something I always liked about TRDM. You never saw these types of discussions because the readers would not allow it. Not saying it’s right or wrong, just nice to have different types.
I’ve know this blog a long time and used to read it a lot more in the past especially when I was connected to it through MySpace (jeez). This comment section has really turned into the Maury Povich show. It’s entertaining at times.
“Bayonne you are NOT the father”!
LOL, yeah I am glad I started commenting on here again, even if it is mostly because I can’t comment on my own from work…
My fear though, is that this is a great site and the comment section makes it, however, that used to be said of Metsblog until all this choosing sides stuff brought it down and it has never been the same since.
On that note……y’all having the same problem loading trdm blog this week? 9 times out of 10 I’m getting a database connection error – with both I.E. and Firefox.
Ye I’ve been getting a lot of those database connection errors as well.
Yeah, no idea what is going on there. It is hosted by Godaddy so it’s not like it should have issues but…
Yes indeedy.
LOL…what both you guys said.
I think the reason for some of the more ridiculous debates here is this site is a little more lenient concerning personal attacks. Not sure anyone has ever been permanently banned – just temporarily. Apparently sending some to a ‘timeout’ doesn’t sink in.
We bust out the wooded spoons or shotguns here in Tay-hass.