Comments on: Oh, How The Mighty Have Fallen

By: jdon

jdon — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:26:20 +0000

See—you just proved what I said. Read what I wrote. I said that I felt this way after 2007. Not 2006. Read. Two straight flops were all I needed. I accepted the loss in 2006. But when they did not bounce back and avenge their defeat, when they choked like a dog with a pork chop bone stuck in its throat, I gave up on the group. I also hated Maine and Ollie. So I saw no light at the end of the tunnel. Don’t forget-Omar brought in Pedro, Duque, LoDuca and Delgado, and later Alou. There was no thought of the long term.

By: Gregga

Gregga — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:23:43 +0000

Clayton, nice piece. To me, the turning point for this franchise was ownership’s unwillingness to fire Willie, his coaches and Omar after the 2007 collapse. When they brought WIllie back in 2008, they waited way to long to terminate him, and in some people’s opinions handled the firing badly. What needed to happen after 2007 was a complete overhaul of management, from Omar on down the line. The failure to do that, created an atomsphere of zero accountabilty, they lasted until last season. (Sorry for me rant).

By: Des

Des — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:47:34 +0000

Good idea, Joe. Let’s make sure we are strong at four positions to compensate for one marginally productive position. It’s the way to build a team if you don’t have the holes the Mets have.

By: Joe Diaz

Joe Diaz — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:11:44 +0000

While we’ll never confuse Ruben Tejada with Miguel Tejada I don’t think last year was a fluke at all.He improved leaps and bounds from 2010 last year and remember he’s still only 21 years old and is already a pretty instinctive player.I don’t see why Ruben can’t be a 270-290 hitter and getting on base 360-370 playing solid defense.You can with with that as long as you put a team around him and get offense from positions you’re supposed to get it from the 4 corner positions.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:57:25 +0000

no matter how you sugar coated to me, that sounds like second guessing… i too was not in favor of omar and the moves he made and continue to make after the 2008 season, he seemed to be more loyal to his guys than what he should’ve been, but don’t tell me that after the 2006 season you were saying ohhh we’re doomed, had delgado, beltran and reyes not gotten hurt in 2009 and putz would’ve been putz, do you honestly think the mets were not gonna be WS favorites along with the yankees? come on man!!!!
if CC sabathia goes down during the season, then arod, jeter and teixiera, what do you think will happen to the yankees!?!? again, nothing BUT SECOND GUESSING from you…

By: jdon

jdon — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:49:10 +0000

In fact, I was on blogs in 2008 asking that Omar be replaced. Would I have done that if I thought we were a juggernaut?

By: jdon

jdon — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:39:16 +0000

Do you ever comprehend what you read? I felt after 2007 that this team was no long term dynasty in the making. That is the subject of the thread. I was responding to that. I certainly did not agree that the “mighty had fallen”. I did not think they were “mighty”. I was actually surprised this team contended in 2008. Did you think that a team with the likes of Maine and Perez was going to be a force for YEARS TO COME? I am telling you what I thought in 2007. You are giving me 100% HINDSIGHT,

By: L.J. Phipps

L.J. Phipps — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:23:05 +0000

Nice read, I often wonder what would have happened had Beltran just punches that Wainwright curveball to left and the Mets win it by scoring two runs. I don’t blame Beltran, just a recurring dream I have had since 2006. Mets 20 year anniversary championship. Oh but wait, 2007 they repeat after Delgado recruits Halladay and the Mets & Jays make a trade sending them Ollie, Maine, & Pelfrey. Then there’s more, 2008 brings a down to the wire battle between the Phillthies & Mets. Mets swipe the division with 1 game to go, then cruise through the play-offs, then win their 3rd consecutive WS championship! 2009 comes Mets win 118 games in route to their record setting 4th WS title in a row against you know who! 2010 is a blur and I wake up to find that it’s the end of the 2011 season, no championships, no Reyes, and the Wilpon’s still own the team. For Mets fans: “It’s a Hard Knock life for us”!

By: 86mets

86mets — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:39:13 +0000

Excellent article Clayton. However, I would never put the term “bat” and Reuben Tejeda in the same sentence. Tejeda’s 2011 season was a total fluke. He is this generation’s Dick Schofield. For those who didn’t endure a season of Schofield in Flushing here are his career stats: .230/.308/.316 in 14 ML seasons in which he generally was an EVERYDAY SS (including his ’92 Mets campaign of .205/.311/.286). Why you might ask was he an everyday player with those stats? Defense. Ditto for Reuben Tejeda. His minor league numbers do not suggest that he’ll be anywhere as good as his 2011 stats suggest. I would say he’ll perform closer to Schofield with maybe a bit higher OBP (how could help but NOT have a better one). We’ll be lucky if Tejeda maintains a .250/.320/.340 line in the Majors. Schofield might have played a couple of years longer in his day with those numbers, but in today’s game even bench players don’t hang around long at those numbers.

By: Bob L

Bob L — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:17:04 +0000

Santana’s been very solid ‘when’ healthy, but frankly, that’s been an issue. Seems to me, it’s both economic and prudent, albeit an uneven process, to develop pitching talent from within the system. And we finally have a cluster of intriguing pitching prospects in the system: Harvey, Wheeler, Familia, Mejia (injury!), Gorski…to name a few well-along in the process.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:15:50 +0000

Izzy, the CORE salutes You!!!! is good to see there’s few of us who see things the right way..

By: izzy

izzy — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:13:42 +0000

Thank you alex68.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:57:03 +0000

Right, after winning 97 games in 2006 you said to yourself “gee, we will choke in 2007 and in 2008, then we will have ravishing and devastating injuries to the WHOLE team in 2009 and in 2010″.. hindsight in always 20/20….

By: jdon

jdon — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:51:41 +0000

Wow–I never equated those three pitchers with greatness. Ollie was a renowned head case and Maine had failed in the Orioles system. We also had LoDuca, who was old and out of shape, and Delgado, who was old. When we did not do it in 2006 a d 2007, I was pretty sure we were going nowhere for a while.