Comments on: MMO Top 20 Mets Prospects – #5 Brandon Nimmo, OF

By: Petey Pete

Petey Pete — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:00:18 +0000

No prob, Bob.

By: Bob L.

Bob L. — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:50:22 +0000

Thanks Petey Pete. i missed that the 1st time around, and it is what i’ve been looking for.

By: Petey Pete

Petey Pete — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:31:42 +0000

Here is an assessment I did a few months back, maybe it is more what you are looking for.

http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/09/prospect-pulse-buffalo-2012-help-on-the-way.html

By: Bob L

Bob L — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:26:42 +0000

hey, i’m not trying to be sarcastic, and i don’t care which Mets F/O picks these kids…i wish they all become studs (for us!) because i’m a Mets fan! But, while i ‘get’ the conceptual CEILING evaluations of why we picked the kid #13, i do not understand his high ranking here & now comapred to guys much much closer to CITI than Brandon is.
i want a ranking based on who you guys (the epxerts) think will soon make it to CITI and be a factor for us. For all the kid’s potential, God, doesn’t he still have to turn that POTENTIAL into productive ABs and those odious statistics you abhor BEFORE he’ll ever gett a planee ticket to CITI?
Remember Billy Beane…? Ironically, Beane was accused of becoming a stat freak based on his inability to become a star in the BIGS.
Anyway, i enjoy reading all of this stuff, even when i disagree with it. So, thanks for your efforts.

By: Petey Pete

Petey Pete — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:19:55 +0000

You know what it is for me Jesse? Some people, I’ll use engineers, and mathmeticians, and scientists for an example, (trying to offend as wide a base of fans as I possibly can, of course), who think in terms of numbers only, their minds might not be hard-wired to work in the abstract, so well. Then their are the artsy-fartsy artistic wackos, (trying to offend as wide a base of fans as I possibly can, of course), like myself who think only in terms of abstract. I’m kidding of course, I love stats as much as the next guy, it’s just that this list is the Top 20 Prospects list, not the Top 20 Prospects at the top of the system list. It means to compare, players at such different stages in their careers, and rank them against each other, you can’t rely on numbers, it has to be subjective.

By: Petey Pete

Petey Pete — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:05:53 +0000

Let me try and explain it to you another way Bob because you are totally missing the point. First of all, this particular Prospect list is the only one I’m at all concerned with. You talk about someone rating Matz and Urbina higher on some list. I could care less about that.

What I am trying to do with this particular list is somehow blend apples and oranges into a ranking based on how high their CEILING is, as a player. I think the first five guys on this list will attain a higher level of play, than all the other ones on the list. None of the players on this list were ranked as a result of any statistics whatsoever.

You think Juan Lagares has more talent than Nimmo, based on Lagares’ batting average from 2011, which he spent at AA and a little AAA. I don’t. I think Nimmo is light-years ahead of Lagares, in talent, and will achieve much greater things someday on the field. That is what this list is based on Bob. Talent. Not stats, not number of AB’s. Try and grasp that Bob. Thanks.

By: Bob L

Bob L — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:04:08 +0000

Believe me Joe, i’m hoping the kid’s the next Strawberry w/o the issues! We shall see. We also picked Billy Beane once upon a time in the 1st round too…didn’t we?! He turned out to be a great one–just not as a player and not for us!

By: Joe Diaz

Joe Diaz — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:56:24 +0000

Bob they base it on raw talent and projection not just minor league stats. I agree,I thought it was a bit premature but that’s how BBA does it.Lets hope for the franchises sake that this kid pans out.

By: Bob L

Bob L — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:43:31 +0000

hey, as i said: i’ve got no problem with the draft pick, but i do think it’s ludicrous (your word brother) to label an 18 yr old kid with <40ABs in pro ball, our #5 Mets Prospect..i.e., a 'bet' that he'll even make it to the majors at this juncture in his career. Urbina was higher in the rankings as a 16 yr old; and Steven Matz was ranked high early on also…those are fantasy evaluations. Period.
We should be ranking those prospects in our system within a plane ticked-ride of getting to Citi Field, NOT kids with stars in their eyes and yours. i can't wait until your #1 pick: probably Roy Hobbs…before he got shot!

By: Petey Pete

Petey Pete — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:14:01 +0000

Bob L, go back and read the second paragraph of this piece again. That was written for you. Stats are virtually meaningless when ranking a “prospect” based on potential and raw talent. Nieuwenhuis and Lagares are totally different types of prospects than Nimmo, and are at completely different points in their careers, to compare their stats to his is ludicrous.

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:13:10 +0000

Petey no matter what, Nimmo & Wheeler will always get slack here because of who was in charge when they were acquired. I’m not saying those are your reasons Bob, but they will always be for many of the people who criticize Nimmo or Wheeler.

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:58:03 +0000

I was not a huge fan of it at the time but after reading so many scouts reports being so high on him it is easy to see why they drafted him. I think that is also why he is so high on this list, scouts must see him having a lot of potential otherwise there would not be so much of a seemingly consensus opinion.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:51:00 +0000

Nimmo!!!!!!!!

By: Bob L

Bob L — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:43:58 +0000

i don’t have an issue with drafting Nimmo with the 13th pick. That’s the F/O’s call…an FO big on stats and player evaluation. Fine. But the kid didn’t have 40AB’s in pro ball. i think his #5 ranking a bit premature. Nieuwenhuis is bordering on MLB and we’ve got him #6; Lagares tore up a couple high-minor leagues and he’s #7? Harvey, Familia, Mejia, Wheeler, Captain Kirk…would’ve been my top 5…

By: NJstuckinTX

NJstuckinTX — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:05:24 +0000

I’m waiting for someone to come up with the “Alderson, Wright, Nimmo and Wheeler walk into a bar” Joke…

(and yes, Nimmo would be ordering the root beer)