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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206857</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 23:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops - wrong post before

No time for personal feelings or what happened in the past – it’s about one thing – WINNING….and If K-Rod is the best option out there and the Mets can afford him than sign me up. Do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops &#8211; wrong post before</p>
<p>No time for personal feelings or what happened in the past – it’s about one thing – WINNING….and If K-Rod is the best option out there and the Mets can afford him than sign me up. Do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Closers are hard to find because they aren&#039;t properly evaluated. Think about it, how can you possibly get a good feel for a pitcher when he gets maybe 70 innings a year? What about the fact that closers are starting off in a situation heavily sacked in their favor.

Look at the list of the best closers in the league year to year. Notice the turnover in the leaders in SV%, WHIP, K/9 etc etc.  The top 10 each year is noticeably different.

&quot; but you almost need a good closer(s) to make the post season.&quot;

See, that is a chicken or egg question to me. Are these teams going to the playoffs because they have a good closer, or do closers look good because they are on playoff teams?

And that is only half of the problem I have with the idea of closers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closers are hard to find because they aren&#8217;t properly evaluated. Think about it, how can you possibly get a good feel for a pitcher when he gets maybe 70 innings a year? What about the fact that closers are starting off in a situation heavily sacked in their favor.</p>
<p>Look at the list of the best closers in the league year to year. Notice the turnover in the leaders in SV%, WHIP, K/9 etc etc.  The top 10 each year is noticeably different.</p>
<p>&#8221; but you almost need a good closer(s) to make the post season.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, that is a chicken or egg question to me. Are these teams going to the playoffs because they have a good closer, or do closers look good because they are on playoff teams?</p>
<p>And that is only half of the problem I have with the idea of closers.</p>
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		<title>By: baby al</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206659</link>
		<dc:creator>baby al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 02:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[geniusalderson is collecting a paycheck to be the cone headed leader of the wilponzie dump salary movement. k rod is one of many that are on their way out the door.if geniusalderson does not follow the wilponzie instructions(and dump costly players) he will be transferred to sny as host of ferddye&#039;s hit show beer money.on this show a contestant can win 130 dollars if  he is prepared to give up his first born and describe the therory of relativity while half drunk in some crummy gin mill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geniusalderson is collecting a paycheck to be the cone headed leader of the wilponzie dump salary movement. k rod is one of many that are on their way out the door.if geniusalderson does not follow the wilponzie instructions(and dump costly players) he will be transferred to sny as host of ferddye&#8217;s hit show beer money.on this show a contestant can win 130 dollars if  he is prepared to give up his first born and describe the therory of relativity while half drunk in some crummy gin mill.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206652</link>
		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;.....I don’t hold Sandy Alderson accountable for having to do what he was forced to do by the Wilpons.&#039;

Once again, you hit the nail on the head.

Thanks Fred &amp; Jeff.
Sigh......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;..I don’t hold Sandy Alderson accountable for having to do what he was forced to do by the Wilpons.&#8217;</p>
<p>Once again, you hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>Thanks Fred &amp; Jeff.<br />
Sigh&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206651</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing that drastic, but can&#039;t Fred, Jeff, and Saul be sent to Milwaukee (Bud Selig&#039;s town!)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing that drastic, but can&#8217;t Fred, Jeff, and Saul be sent to Milwaukee (Bud Selig&#8217;s town!)?</p>
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		<title>By: Des</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206648</link>
		<dc:creator>Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you recommending a Jack Kevorkian solution for Freddie?  Then we&#039;d be dealing with Jeff.  It&#039;s sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Anyway, the whole Dr. Death thing hurts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you recommending a Jack Kevorkian solution for Freddie?  Then we&#8217;d be dealing with Jeff.  It&#8217;s sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  Anyway, the whole Dr. Death thing hurts.</p>
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		<title>By: USMF</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206645</link>
		<dc:creator>USMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 23:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No K-Rod wasn&#039;t a &quot;top tier&quot; Closer on the Mets...but he was still a pretty good closer.  He was considered a top tier guy when he was signed. Like I said, looking at the contract as a whole, it wasn&#039;t that bad of a deal....it only sucked for the Mets because of the &quot;need&quot; cut slash payroll.  The sad fact is, you&#039;re always paying Free Agents for what they&#039;ve done, not for what they will do.

I&#039;d never consider a closer to be worth more than a top 1 or 2 Starter...but one lesson my Dad taught us...something only has worth if someone is willing to pay the price.  Sadly, looking at what closers are getting, a four year deal worth +$10mil is what the market is set at.

Is Papelbon worth 4 years $50mil?  I don&#039;t consider him any better than K-Rod  but the contracts are very similar expect Papelbon gets more money guaranteed with an easy vesting option on games pitched for his option year.

Is Bell worth (especially at his age worth 3 years at 27mil?  Joe Nathan coming of surgery worth two years $14.5mil?  The market is just nuts.

As strange as it seems, closers are harder to come by then we&#039;d like to think and get burned out much faster starters, but you almost need a good closer(s) to make the post season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No K-Rod wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;top tier&#8221; Closer on the Mets&#8230;but he was still a pretty good closer.  He was considered a top tier guy when he was signed. Like I said, looking at the contract as a whole, it wasn&#8217;t that bad of a deal&#8230;.it only sucked for the Mets because of the &#8220;need&#8221; cut slash payroll.  The sad fact is, you&#8217;re always paying Free Agents for what they&#8217;ve done, not for what they will do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never consider a closer to be worth more than a top 1 or 2 Starter&#8230;but one lesson my Dad taught us&#8230;something only has worth if someone is willing to pay the price.  Sadly, looking at what closers are getting, a four year deal worth +$10mil is what the market is set at.</p>
<p>Is Papelbon worth 4 years $50mil?  I don&#8217;t consider him any better than K-Rod  but the contracts are very similar expect Papelbon gets more money guaranteed with an easy vesting option on games pitched for his option year.</p>
<p>Is Bell worth (especially at his age worth 3 years at 27mil?  Joe Nathan coming of surgery worth two years $14.5mil?  The market is just nuts.</p>
<p>As strange as it seems, closers are harder to come by then we&#8217;d like to think and get burned out much faster starters, but you almost need a good closer(s) to make the post season.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Diaz</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206634</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even with K-Rod who was shaky but still converted 23 outt 27 save opportunities the pen still blew 17 games leading after 6 innings.The bottom line is if Collins didn&#039;t use K-Rod in one sided games like that Thursday afternoon blowout loss to the Cubs when he brought in K-Rod to get the final 2 outs in the bottom of the 8th down 5 runs and got credit for a game finished in a blowout loss.He did that at least 3 times on the road in the 8th trailing,plus using him in non save situations 4-5 run leads in the 9th inning.When you have a closer with a crazy option hanging over his head you don&#039;t use him in situations like that.You use him when the game is on the line.If Collins managed K-Rod a little better then they wouldn&#039;t have had to worry about trading hm to get out from under that ridiculous option.We could&#039;ve kept him all year and then declined his 2012 option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with K-Rod who was shaky but still converted 23 outt 27 save opportunities the pen still blew 17 games leading after 6 innings.The bottom line is if Collins didn&#8217;t use K-Rod in one sided games like that Thursday afternoon blowout loss to the Cubs when he brought in K-Rod to get the final 2 outs in the bottom of the 8th down 5 runs and got credit for a game finished in a blowout loss.He did that at least 3 times on the road in the 8th trailing,plus using him in non save situations 4-5 run leads in the 9th inning.When you have a closer with a crazy option hanging over his head you don&#8217;t use him in situations like that.You use him when the game is on the line.If Collins managed K-Rod a little better then they wouldn&#8217;t have had to worry about trading hm to get out from under that ridiculous option.We could&#8217;ve kept him all year and then declined his 2012 option.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206633</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not using hindsight. I said at that time that their pitching wouldn&#039;t have kept it up a full season.

How am I using hindsight if I said that before they fell apart?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not using hindsight. I said at that time that their pitching wouldn&#8217;t have kept it up a full season.</p>
<p>How am I using hindsight if I said that before they fell apart?</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rodriguez wasn&#039;t rally a top tier closer while on the Mets. And, of course, is a 3 inning a week pitcher worth more than a #1/2 pitcher?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rodriguez wasn&#8217;t rally a top tier closer while on the Mets. And, of course, is a 3 inning a week pitcher worth more than a #1/2 pitcher?</p>
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		<title>By: jdon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206628</link>
		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will try to be more specific]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will try to be more specific</p>
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		<title>By: jdon</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206627</link>
		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you</p>
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		<title>By: NJstuckinTX</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206625</link>
		<dc:creator>NJstuckinTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s meaning, the team has little talent. No sense in having a very expensive closer when you won&#039;t be utilizing him as a closer all that often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s meaning, the team has little talent. No sense in having a very expensive closer when you won&#8217;t be utilizing him as a closer all that often.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206623</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[K-Rod has little talent? Come on. He&#039;s still a good pitcher - Maybe he was paid too much, but saying he has little talent is just not true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K-Rod has little talent? Come on. He&#8217;s still a good pitcher &#8211; Maybe he was paid too much, but saying he has little talent is just not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny B</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/mets-contact-k-rod.html#comment-206621</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, actually, I wasn&#039;t surprised that the Braves fell apart - I thought there was just NO WAY the bullpen was going to keep that up the whole year(and I remember telling you that)....And guys like Jurrjens were just playing way of their heads, I knew he wasn&#039;t going to pitch like THAT the whole year.

I knew once their pitching came back to earth, they would fall apart because their offense wasn&#039;t really  good at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually, I wasn&#8217;t surprised that the Braves fell apart &#8211; I thought there was just NO WAY the bullpen was going to keep that up the whole year(and I remember telling you that)&#8230;.And guys like Jurrjens were just playing way of their heads, I knew he wasn&#8217;t going to pitch like THAT the whole year.</p>
<p>I knew once their pitching came back to earth, they would fall apart because their offense wasn&#8217;t really  good at all.</p>
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		<title>By: jdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[payng a close 17.5 mil when you have no money and little talent would be about as stupid a baseball move as you could make.  Mariano does not make 17.5----nor does he deserve to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>payng a close 17.5 mil when you have no money and little talent would be about as stupid a baseball move as you could make.  Mariano does not make 17.5&#8212;-nor does he deserve to.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too bad that Fred&#039;s behavior doesn&#039;t rub Fred the wrong way, and then he might get rid of himself!

Anyway, the Mets were not going to make the playoffs with K-Rod closing, and at least they found out that Parnell was not the answer to the closing problem in 2012.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad that Fred&#8217;s behavior doesn&#8217;t rub Fred the wrong way, and then he might get rid of himself!</p>
<p>Anyway, the Mets were not going to make the playoffs with K-Rod closing, and at least they found out that Parnell was not the answer to the closing problem in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: USMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>USMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Losing K-Rod last year had the same affect that Losing Wags in 07 did.  Unfortunately, the bullpen stacked up like a game of Jenga...You lose that one important piece and the whole thing toppled.

One problem I have is, K-Rod (at least said) he was willing to rework his contract so they could dump the option and keep him for a few more years are a reasonable price.  I don&#039;t know what K-Rods perception and the Mets perception of reasonable is, but you&#039;d think they&#039;d talk first.  Though I have to think that when K-Rods agent dropped the ball and never submitted his list of &quot;no-trade&quot; Teams Sandy jumped at the deal as quickly as he could.

I know I&#039;ll get hammered for this, but I really think at while the 17mil option was really expensive, if you look at the deal as a hole, it wasn&#039;t that bad of a contract.  It was really a 4 year deal worth about 13-14mil per year....for a top tier closer in him prime, that&#039;s not a bad deal, especially seeing that the option was built to protect the Mets if K-Rod turned into a huge bust. Who knew that the Mets would plan have to dump 40mil in payroll this year when the deal was originally made?

Sadly, Sandy punted last year...the season tanked, fans are discouraged and we have no closer and even us most optimistic have no reason to believe that next year will be better.  If we only finished even a few games over .500 and resigned Reyes and maybe a solid starter, then we&#039;d have a much better outlook in Metsville...maybe at least,  they&#039;d be able to sell some season tickets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Losing K-Rod last year had the same affect that Losing Wags in 07 did.  Unfortunately, the bullpen stacked up like a game of Jenga&#8230;You lose that one important piece and the whole thing toppled.</p>
<p>One problem I have is, K-Rod (at least said) he was willing to rework his contract so they could dump the option and keep him for a few more years are a reasonable price.  I don&#8217;t know what K-Rods perception and the Mets perception of reasonable is, but you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d talk first.  Though I have to think that when K-Rods agent dropped the ball and never submitted his list of &#8220;no-trade&#8221; Teams Sandy jumped at the deal as quickly as he could.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;ll get hammered for this, but I really think at while the 17mil option was really expensive, if you look at the deal as a hole, it wasn&#8217;t that bad of a contract.  It was really a 4 year deal worth about 13-14mil per year&#8230;.for a top tier closer in him prime, that&#8217;s not a bad deal, especially seeing that the option was built to protect the Mets if K-Rod turned into a huge bust. Who knew that the Mets would plan have to dump 40mil in payroll this year when the deal was originally made?</p>
<p>Sadly, Sandy punted last year&#8230;the season tanked, fans are discouraged and we have no closer and even us most optimistic have no reason to believe that next year will be better.  If we only finished even a few games over .500 and resigned Reyes and maybe a solid starter, then we&#8217;d have a much better outlook in Metsville&#8230;maybe at least,  they&#8217;d be able to sell some season tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: Des</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed.  The two guys who got under Freddie&#039;s skin were K-Rod and Paul Lo Duca. He tried to and succeeded getting rid of both.  Their departure was also helped by their declining performance at on the field.  It was a couple of perfect storms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  The two guys who got under Freddie&#8217;s skin were K-Rod and Paul Lo Duca. He tried to and succeeded getting rid of both.  Their departure was also helped by their declining performance at on the field.  It was a couple of perfect storms.</p>
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		<title>By: izzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody that believes the Wilpons know anything about the business of baseball must be a Wilpon or a Katz.     Scouts are a dime a dozen and the Wilpon&#039;s didn&#039;t break any records with their draft signings.   or their IFA singings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody that believes the Wilpons know anything about the business of baseball must be a Wilpon or a Katz.     Scouts are a dime a dozen and the Wilpon&#8217;s didn&#8217;t break any records with their draft signings.   or their IFA singings.</p>
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