Dec
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2011
14
2011
Johan Santana May Not Be Ready By Opening Day
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Last night during the Mets Holiday Party, Mets GM Sandy Alderson sounded less confident than he has in the past regarding starting pitcher, Johan Santana.
“We do have some question marks, of course, with Santana being one of them,” general manager Sandy Alderson said Tuesday at the team’s annual Christmas party. “We think he’s going to be ready, but he might not be.”
Santana had surgery in September 2010 to repair a torn capsule in his left shoulder, and then endured a year full of setbacks in 2011 which kept him from ever making it back to the team.
It has been over a year and a half since Santana has thrown a major league pitch, and yet he is owed $55 million dollars for the next two seasons.
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God help me here but I’m going to cut Sandy a bit of slack on that quote.
Even if the report saying he is fine and ready to go came out yesterday from the medical staff, it is still reasonable to assume there is a slight chance he may not be ready.
Either from a health pov or from the standpoint of he has not pitched in quite awhile, has not built up his arm strength to go far into games even if he does start and has not been able to fully test his stuff, location and velocity yet.
I could see him needing more time and not starting the season with us.
So I guess this is just a case of Sandy leaving himself another escape hole should Santana have issues or a setback.
No argument from me on your point.
Until they he comes to ST, they see him pitch, his velocity is decent along with arm stamina, he basically still is a question mark.
Exactly SRT. Alderson merely stated the obvious.
That Johan Santana will not be ready for the start of the season is only slightly less certain than the sun will rise in the morning. All along, I viewed it as a Mets ploy to sell tickets or at least invigorate interest. Sometimes Mets fans are played. This was one of those times.
The idea that anyone following Santana would be surprised to hear that Santana may not be ready on Opening Day is one I will never understand. Add to that the belief that somehow it was to increase ticket sales as if announcing it now as opposed to when Spring Training finally arrives (when it would be more convenient one would guess if you allow for the conspiracy theory) to gain as many ticket sales as possible made no difference at all.
Right, while Johan appeared to be progressing last year and looked like he would be ready for opening day, we will not have a clue how that shoulder responds to the warm-up period for 2012 until the …. warm-up period for 2012.
I agree with Metsie here. With an injury of this magnitude, no matter how good things look right now of course they can’t be sure.
I read it as just acknowledging the risk, and pointing out why they needed to add some depth that could also end up in the pen (or the minors) just in case.
If they had any confidence that Santana would be ready to pitch, they wouldn’t have shut him down from all baseball activities in the offseason.
The best way to prevent reports of a setback leaking to the public, is to not let Johan pitch at all and sell as many ticket packages as you can between now and Spring Training.
no one was buying packages because they were expecting Santana to be back and better than ever.
and he got shut down as part of the plan, right? that wasn’t really a change last year, he just never bothered to come back to NY.
I don’t remember the Mets ever saying he’d be ready to go by ST.
I don’t think the majority of Met fans ever believed he’d be anything but a question mark until ST.
Can’t say as I think there’s any conspiracy on this one to sell tickets.
Yeah with this news and they are trying to unload Niese. These people are incompetent boobs.
this isn’t news. There was no setback, it was just stating the obvious.
And they are not trying to unload Neise. Sandy even went on record as to that yesterday.
Still, they are exploring every option to make the team better, and you do have to give up something if you want something good back. And won’t trade someone like Neise unless they get a ton back for him.
everyone recognizes things like the catching is crap. So, if you want a better catcher, how are you going to get it?
Oh No Lou, They are competent alright…Competent Bean Counters!
Thats what all these moves are about! The mentioning of winning and making us fun to watch is just smokescreen to hide the fact that the product on the field is secondary to the money spent on it.
And next year when they lose even more money because what they cut was offset by what they sold in tickets they will use the finances as an excuse again to get rid of Wright and Niese and eventually Murphy and Davis.
The ever spiraling downward of EYEWASH as if it is going down a drain…
Spin Spin Spinning until all the Eyewash is gone and the team is in the Sewer!
Great news for the hot stove folks because it will make the NON PLAYING time of year much more exciting because they will constantly have to sign 10-12 scrub FAs to replace the 10-12 they got the year beforegiving them lots of things to talk about from October – March!
“Trying to unload Niese”. Can you give even ONE ounce of proof that they are “Trying to unload Niese”? Unless you really are just a rumormonger? The ONLY thing we know is that everyone other than Wright is currently available for the RIGHT price. Saying that if they are blown away by an offer they will consider it is MUCH different than “Trying to unload Niese”. Of course the same ones that say that some believe every word Sandy says are the same ones who believe everything they read from beat reporters and even blogs of all things.
You do rad the news don’t you?
It’s not like this trade rumor came to someone in a dream here!
Just as REAL as the trade Wright rumor is!
Sandy can say only if the price is right but right to Sandy seems to be a very different beast compared to what is right in reality!
We gave Beltran (an All Star) away for a single prospect and K-Rod away for two PTBNLs.
So the right price for Niese could be two 6th round picked kids in Sandy’s value system.
And if thats the deal I’m sure You and Jessup will fond some way to justufy and applaud it!
Technically your correct on both Beltran & KRod and yet you ignore the reasoning behind each move. Beltran was traded in an attempt to get something for him something that turned out to be more than anyone was projecting before the trade once the GM decided the Mets didn’t have a realistic shot at the post season. You may disagree with the realistic shot or not but in the end he made the call.
KRod was a straight up salary dump. No way they were going to allow that 17M option to vest and look what he did once he became a free agent. After weighing all the options available for as long as he could he took the sure thing of arbitration which will see him make similar to what he made last year $13M as a Setup Man. Some want to believe he didn’t care about that $17M but as far as I am concerned I highly doubt he would of ever given up that option unless he got something comparable and 1 year at $13M is not what he had in mind when he set out into free agency.
But we didn’t dump Salary on K-Rod we paid a good part of it!
There was no guarantee he was going to Vest!
And he was quite willing to sell off the option to stay a closer! Even before the trade!
Had every reason to because he knew where he was going there was no chance to be the closer!
Still there should have been more in return for him. What we got would have been fine if they had taken on ALL of his salary!
As for Beltran who else could the Giants have gotten to make up for the loss of Posey?
Look at how much the Phillies gave up for Pence!
And we paid his ENTIRE Salary! For one guy in A Ball? That is simply not enough no matter WHAT reason you think was the cause!
There should have been a PTBNL or some other AAAA prospect in that deal before it went through.
Wheeler wasn’t even their best Prospect if I’m not mistaken.
He was a grade B and third best prospect behind guys like Belt and Brown. Granted Belt is a 1B which we seem to have a bus full of options for and while I wopuld not expect to get Wheeler AND Brown, we could have gotten a Surcamp or Joseph as a kicker to the deal.
I mean so far we are the kid who everyone comes to for stealing candy!
The whole point of selling off All Stars is to get some Quality AND Quantity so in case one fails you have at least another player who can salvage the deal.
We are not doing that we are pretty much buying and selling as if we are K-Mart!
You can believe what you want but he was well on his way to having that option vest and the Mets couldn’t take the risk in being stuck paying him $17M in 2012.
By the way when I say salary dump I am not referring to 2011 but the $17M for 2012. Just so we are clear.
Right Mr NJ and to be even more clear, if KRod had opted out as he claims he would have… the Mets would have had to offer him arbitration in order to hope to get any sort of pick comp back (depending on the new CBA)
How’d that work out in the end with the Brewers? Seems to me nobody was willing to pay KRod what he wanted so he took the easy pay day and Milwaukee is now on the hook for a high arby #.
So the salary dump was for 2012
Oh really?
Pagan was offered arbitration and we got two KNOWN players for him!
If you weren’t so pick obsessed you would realize that there are lots more ways to get compensation than just the draft!
But I know anyone even approaching the age of 24 is not worth having according to you (See Niese)
I thought Pagan was traded before the Mets tendered him?
Is he making 17 Mil in 2012?
If not then how the hell can you count that as being dumped!
He was ready to sell off the option before he got traded!
A point seemingly lost on a lot of people around here!
The option wasn’t important to K-Rod being a closer was!
Again the Mets could not take the risk that his option would vest had they kept him. Is he making $17M? No most likely due to the Mets trading him when they did and not risking the option vesting.
They could not risk it and in the end they didn’t.
As far as what he was selling off like I told you before “The Devil is in the details” We do not know in exchange for what he would if given it up and as far as I am concerned he was not going to give it up for the 500K he did with the Bucks.
Sure he was going to ask the Mets to pay him the league minimum in 2012 and 2013.
He sold the option to Milwaukee in order to get opportunities to close, here he already was the closer and closing in on a 17M dollar 2012. Of course he would have given up a 17M payday for half a mil, I mean who wouldn’t. I’m sure everyone here would take a half a mil today instead of 17 M in 6 months.
The simple truth is with Milwaukee his option wasn’t vesting so he gave up nothing, with us it was so he wasn’t giving it up for nothing. At the most he would have been willing to give it up in exchange for another 3/36 or something along those lines. Big difference from what he took from Milwaukee.
500 G is what he got, that shows just what his 17 M option was worth without the leverage of the vesting option and the Union policing it.
K-Rod instead of turning into two first round draft picks will now be a salary dump for Milwaukee. Wonder what they’ll get for him.
Wrong he sold it off because it was worth nothing anymore it was not going to vest and he decided to sell it off to get something for his nothing!
Sure it allowed him to close some games but it did not make him the closer!
What you propose was FAR more in line with the situation here if we had not traded him!
He could sell off the option to REMAIN a closer and get the numbers he needed to be wanted in Free Agency!
He had even MORE reason to sell it off with us than he had where he went!
Because he could REMAIN a closer here, something not possible even after he sold it off someplace else!
well that’s what I said Metsie. He would have sold it to us, for 3/36 or something like that. I’m not sure if you’ve been following or not but it appears that the Wilpon’s are running out of cash. Either that or their doing a real good job of pretending but nothing screams I’m loaded more than paying paying 36 M to a closer when you have open spots in the rotation, defensively challenged players manning more positions for you then not and and letting your one and only all around good player leave and go to a division rival.
Fact is 17 M was worth 500K with Milwaukee. That same 17 M would have cost us around 36.
As far as Beltran he was having a great season but those knees could go at any moment. No one thought they could get the player they did and was surprise when they did. You want to say they could of done better? I am fine with that that is your choice but all I will say is they did better than many thought and time will tell if it pays off or not.
Thats great provided you think Wheeler is as good as most of the folks around here thinks he is going to be!
Time will tell the story there won’t it?
Only thing you did was trade a near term Maybe of Knees for a long term maybe on success of a Pitcher in A ball.
All you really gained was more time before it’s exposed as a failure of decision!
If Wheeler never makes it to the MLB is it a good deal still?
You have the reprieve of time but thats about it!
When the time passes you still don’t know if that deal is good or bad. Unless you think Baseball America is NEVER WRONG…If thats the case see F-Mart!
Even if Wheeler is a bust the concept behind the move is sound so while it may not pay off the idea remains sound.
they traded away a player having a good season on his walk year that would return nothing once he went free agent and they did not envision resigning for a prospect.
I will never argue with that.
The only thing debateable as far as I am concerned is whether the Mets still had a good shot at the playoffs enough so that they should of not traded him and we already know that the GM agree or disagree felt they did not.
Even despite the fact it probably cost you a chance at the playoffs last year?
The Braves collapsed horribly!
We lost 14 games by 1 run or less after July 29th. Beltran might have been the difference there. Especially against the Cards and Braves!
How many blown saves cost us wins once K-Rod was gone!
On July 28th we had a record of 54-50 (.514) and were 6.5 games out of the Division and Wildcard.
On the same date the Cards were 55-50 (.524) and 5.5 games out.
You guys can spin it off as if the cards were a much better team than us but on July 28th (the Day Beltran left, K-Rod already gone) they were not more than one game better!
They eventually were 10 games out of the Wildcard and still won IT and the World Series!
So this crap that we had no chance is just a piss poor excuse for justifying those trades!
Yes AFTER the trades were made we were a far worse team than the Cards!
Because Sandy was busy IMPROVING us you know…
If justifying that trade makes you feel better thats fine go ahead.
But don’t tell me it was the right move or smart move or better for the long term competitivness of the team!
Not until Wheeler shows he can make an All Star team or even make the MLB at all!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?year=2011&month=7&day=28&submit=Submit+Date
6.5 games out of the division?
Man this entire thing is full of errors. The Cards were 1.5 games out. The Mets had 4 teams ahead of them in just the wild card, one of them in the division.
You want to believe they had as good a shot as the Cardinals that is your prerogative.
The morning that Beltran was traded the Mets were 52-51 the Cardinals were 55-48 7 games above .500.
The Cardinals went 35-24 the rest of the way 11 games above .500 finishing with a 90-72 record.
The highest they ever got above .500 was 4 games July 29 which was quickly followed with a 5 game losing streak.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?year=2011&month=7&day=26&submit=Submit+Date
You want to believe keeping Beltran would of got them closer to a playoff? That is fine but the fact is that the GM made the tough decision that the chances were not good enough to warrant not trading him for what they did at the time. You can disagree with the decision but the decision was made and I personally didn’t envision the Mets going on the run that the Cardinals did. I wished it but as a GM you are not afforded that courtesy. He did a move in the best interest of the Mets long term.
Is it hard to accept? Sure especially if you believe they could of won 90 games so I can understand such frustration but in the end he was still traded and the GM was hired to make the tough call made the call.
That should read “the highest the Mets ever got above .500″
Imagine for the New York Mets to reach 90 wins the morning Beltran was traded when they were 52-51 they had to go 38-21 the rest of the way. Could they have done it? Sure but the chances bordered on it being just behind what the Miracle Mets did in 69 when they went 38-12 over their final 50 games and the 73 Mets who went 34-19 over their final 53 games.
Reyes and Murphy going down didn’t mean anything?
And just exactly how can you lose a game by “1 run or less?”
2 months of Carlos Beltran or the chance of 6-10 years of a really good starting pitcher.
That’s the trade 2 months of a sure thing or many years of a questionable thing. Knowing what we know now there is zero chance the Giants would make that trade again. Come 2-3 years from now we might find that we’re no better off with Wheeler than we would be without or maybe (hopefully) we find out that we’re a lot better off with him.
Either way we wouldn’t have anything left over after losing Beltran so basically it cost us 2 months of Carlos to find out.
Could be F-Mart or it could be Smoltz. Who knows, probably won’t be either but somewhere inbetween.
People said the same thing about Mazzilli.
And you have solid guaranteed proof that Wheeler is going to be a good starting pitcher and will play even ONE year in the MLB do you?
Who manufactures this can’t miss crystal ball you been using on A ball prospects?
Baseball America? The guys who said the same things about F-Mart?
It’s the CHANCE of getting many good years. If Wheeler was guaranteed to have many good years he wouldn’t have been traded in the first place.
Beltran was traded in an attempt to get something for him something that turned out to be more than anyone was projecting before the trade…
HUH????
I don’t know who you’re referring to, but I think most expected at least one top prospect for Beltran especially when the Mets kicked in 90% of what was still owed to him. Beltran had MVP type numbers at the time of the trade.
Look at what the Astros got for Hunter Pence? Four of their top prospects including two in BA top 75.
If we were paying the bulk of Beltran’s salary what did you expect to get for him????
Well maybe but I specifically recall you stating that there is no way the Mets will get even 1 top prospect for trading Beltran.
Wow, yes I read the news but I also understand that the news is not always the truth… Again, what is a newspaper’s job? To tell you the truth or sell papers? You have to see the conflict of interest. So while a beat reporter might hear the Mets are discussing Niese with the Jays, that does not mean they are “trying to dump Niese” otherwise the trade would have already been completed. Also, being that you “read” the “news” (and beat writers are hardly news, news if at best is something like the AP wire) you would also see that based on all reports the asking price is very high for Niese. I guess that does not count though. Only things that take the team in a negative light are the truth.
The fact they are even DISCUSSING it mneans they are ready to DO IT!
What part of that don’t you understand!
Is he traded? is that the truth? NO!
Are they entertaining doing it? YES! THAT is the truth!
Close your eyes to the fact all you want!
The truth isn’t that they DID trade Niese it is that they are WILLING to!
And considering what they have gotten for Beltran and K-Rod (both All Stars) I can only imagine how much NOTHING they will ACCEPT and get in return for a guy like Niese who has not made the All Star team.
If K-Rod is worth two PTBNLs in trade then they probably think Niese is worth Players whose names will never be mentioned in the MLB as a good return!
The truth is the MINDSET of the FO, They are ready to trade ANYONE who has showed even a modicum of success!
Look at all the players shipped out by this front office!
Pagan is probably the worst player we have traded!
And he has a career .272 BA.
His traded for replacement has a career .244 BA!
Thats our idea of improvement! And whats worse is that is probably the best trade they have made so far as far as getting value back is concerned!
Close your eyes to the truth here, sure won’t hurt me!
But if you drink the Kool Aid that any move we have made since Sandy got here has actually improved the team then your better off just buying into what you read in the papers!
They print what Sandy says as well!
Things like re-Signing Reyes is a TEAM PRIORITY this offseason when the TRUTH is more like NOT RE-SIGNING Reyes is a team priority this offseason and as a result we will make NO OFFER WHATSOEVER!
Add that to your list of decisions that returned far less than it should have!
We get at best two 2nd round picks for an All Star and a batting Champion!
With deals like that even the richest man on the planet couldn’t help this team compete!
I propose from here on out Metsie be now known as ‘Spin Doctor’.
unfortunatly there is no know cure for Spin…
But there is plenty of art involved in it and Sandy appears to be a master at saying the opposite of what he really means.
Clearly the trade was Pagan for Ramirez and included Torres (now expendable and would have been non tendered) for a PTBNL or cash to tide us over in CF for 3-12 months.
The fact that Niese is being discussed (if he is) does not mean the Mets are WILLING to trade him for next to nothing at all. What it means is their willing to see what his value is to other teams. Were they to be offered Devin Mesoracco or Yovani Grandal (something I would explore) then something COULD come from it. With no catcher in the system above A+ even remotely possible to be a Major Leaguer you would have to explore that possibility especially since there is a great chance that we don’t even have a single future average Major league catcher at any level from rookie to the big leagues. I would want more than just one of those guys though and who knows where the conversation goes from there.
What if the Angels talked Ervin Santana and Trout for Niese and Wright would you do it? Who knows but it would make you think about it especially if you knew a resign of Wright was going to be impossible.
Lets say you did make that deal. How attractive would Santana be (with just a club option remaining) to the NYY, Boston, Toronto, St. L or Texas come July 31st? Maybe we get a real catcher and a real pitching prospect or go back to Cinn and one of their catchers + say SS Billy Hamilton 2011 2nd rounder with Reyes like ability eta 2014.
That takes care of CF and C and the chance of having a great SS in 3 years with Familia, Mejia, Harvey, Wheeler and Gorski on the mound. Ike at 1st, Tejada or Havens at 2B, Flores at 3B Trout in CF and some combination of Duda/Lagares/Gomez/Puello/Vaughn at the corners and those are just our options. That doesn’t mean we can’t go out a get another guy, just that we don’t have to.
Nice to have something to talk about anyway for a change instead of just trying to palm off salary for guys we can’t get rid of at any price. In the endup if Alderson doesn’t like what he hears nothing has changed except he has a floor established come July when teams desperate for starting pitching come calling and he can explore something much better.
Don’t get your knickers all in a knot because he’s talking, that’s what he should be doing.
A Met fan on this site with functional brain cells are few and far between. I think you should be an assistant to Alderson instead of DePo.If you could pull off deals for Trout and Santana,Hamilton and Grandal we just may have a bright future.Great post t agee as always.
Thanks Joe. I thought I’d risk an attention starved demented lunatic encounter in order to to talk a little baseball.
More importantly I’d love to see some real solid talent here even if we have to suffer a year or two in order to get it.
Absolutely. I would love for them to acquire guys like Trout,Grandal,Hamilton,etc…We’ve already had to suffer through the last few years,whats a couple more.
I don’t see how you can knock a guy for gauging interest for his players.It’s called due dilligence.These knuckleheads think we should be loading up for a playoff run,instead of rebuilding a team that goes on a 8-9 year playoff run.
Yeah, like we haven’t been doing that for a decade and it’s worked so well. One playoff in 10 years and even that one came in a year when every team in the NL East was at low tide.
Amazing how fixated these guys are on playing monkeyball, I swear I think they’d rather keep on losing every year than ever have a winner.
We have Dumb & Dumber here both getting it wrong
1) NOBODY here is saying we should be “loading up” for a playoff run. What people are saying is Alderson COULD have done a better job with his off season last season and that could have contributed to the 70 million loss last season. You just don’t know that. But since DUMB & DUMBER are both not going to question Alderson’s ability to evaluate talent and make trades the 2 DUMMIES are both stuck in suspended animation
2) and so far except for the Pagan/Ramirez trade his moves have been questionable this season as well in giving Rauch 3.5 million and 12 mill for Francisco. Also his handling of the Jose Reyes situation is VERY questionable and that’s no secret anywhere except maybe to a couple of wide-eyed disciples here who can’t think for themselves
3) One playoff appearance (not run as DUMMY #1 said because a playoff run is a contending team fighting for a spot) in 10 years is more indicative of blowing games ON THE FIELD than anything else. To look at it any other way is simply second guessing. There is no other way around it. Since 2000 (let’s make it 11 years) the Mets have had 4 chances in 11 years to either win the World Series or make it into the playoffs. 2001 was a late run and 2002 – 2004 were just bad years. 2005 was Willie Randolph’s & Omar’s first year and the tide started to turn.
So DUMB & DUMBER are both far off of the truth. Instead we have DUMB & DUMBER’s very own original interpretation of 1) The last 10 years and 2) To address DUMMY #2 – What the rest of us want – a GM who is making good moves that we all agree are good moves (don’t bring up finances because i already have that in mind). Not mainly bad moves that are either completely ignored or falsely worshipped as good by his disciples.
That’s an honest assessment. What DUMB & DUMBER are giving you is their own versions of events.
This is for Tag and the rest of you who think Sandy is improving something…
After one year we lost MORE games with 4 Productive months compared to 1 last year from Beltran!
GREAT JOB!
You have improved the loss column!
Guess what your going to improve the loss column again!
And you won’t have the one year excuse to fall back on then will you?
Hope you enjoy your last place improvment and I do hope you will go see them play otherwise we will have to go back to ruining the team and winning ballgames which is such a terrible thing according to some here!
Look jackass. There’s what could have happened and there’s what did happen. There two completely different things. One’s fantasy and one’s reality. You live in a fantasy world where every move a GM makes works out perfect but that cannot happen when you are always dealing out of need and reduced to throwing nickels around like they were manhole covers.
Think back to your Sr. prom if your brains not too fried by now. Remember how you had no idea who you could get to go with you? How your severe personality disorder made you repulsive to all the girls at school? How you had to settle for some ganggreener from another neighborhood that didn’t know what she was getting into? You know the one your Aunt’s hairdresser came up with at the last minute. The one the photographer introduced you to who later got a ride home from someone else? Sure you do.
That’s the kind of player we always have to go out and get because we (like you) have nothing to offer. The cupboard is always bare. No one’s home.
Now you might have enjoyed going home alone and fantasizing about what might have happened and you wouldn’t know this yourself but fantasy is only close to reality in your demented mind.
I seem to recall about a year or so ago for months on end you were crying and whinning like a little girl about someone responding to your comments when you kept asking them not to so I’m sure you’ll abide by my request to refrain from commenting on any of my postings in the future.
I deal with enough deranged lunatics every week so I certainly don’t need some freak from NJ adding to my case load.
so you never answered my post Dummy #1.
And this….
“You live in a fantasy world where every move a GM makes works out perfect”
Where did that come from? Can anyone reading my words honestly say they’ve read that I said that?
Another lie from t agee. There you have it folks. Like I said – his own version of events.
A pathetic second guesser who types a lot of words but says little.
And that prom analogy? Where did that come from? A little insight into his own life? No wonder he’s second guesser.
I agree. You never know. These things always take a little longer. Wang didn’t make it back from the same injury & surgery until last year.
Can Dickey pitch every day?
He may have to!
The way I see it, Johan shouldn’t even be counted on and we should proceed like he’s not coming back and sign a solid mid-rotation starter. He’s 33 and not 26 and his return to even an average pitcher is a long shot coming off this major surgery which has already been fraught with too many setbacks.