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	<title>Comments on: Hot Stove News: Dontrelle To Phillies, Aramis To Brewers, Rowand To Marlins</title>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first time you&#039;ve seen a back loaded contract? How do you think Santana and Reyes&#039; deals are structured?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time you&#8217;ve seen a back loaded contract? How do you think Santana and Reyes&#8217; deals are structured?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honest mistake! It&#039;s amazing that we won the division going away in 2006 when you connsider how many different starters we went through that year. Guys like Lima(RIP), Jeremy Gonzalez,Jorge Sosa,etc...We still won 97 games,great offense and great pen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honest mistake! It&#8217;s amazing that we won the division going away in 2006 when you connsider how many different starters we went through that year. Guys like Lima(RIP), Jeremy Gonzalez,Jorge Sosa,etc&#8230;We still won 97 games,great offense and great pen.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m starting to like this guy Tom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to like this guy Tom.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Tom! Intelligent posters salute you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Tom! Intelligent posters salute you!</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So is it fair to say that Alderson is having yet another terrible off season making lousy moves again? Is this going to be the 2nd year in a row that he could have had better players even though the payroll is low?

Is this happening yet again? Or are there going to be a legion of stoic, robotic followers who will dispute that?  I thought this was guy was supposed to be something special? Wasn&#039;t he supposed to be very smart? Wasn&#039;t his use of advanced statistical analysis supposed to help him get players of &quot;value&quot;?

Looks like he&#039;s being outsmarted by other GMs again.  Is somebody going to sit there and tell this fanbase that Sandy is having the best possible off season he can have? Or is this yet another repeat of last year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is it fair to say that Alderson is having yet another terrible off season making lousy moves again? Is this going to be the 2nd year in a row that he could have had better players even though the payroll is low?</p>
<p>Is this happening yet again? Or are there going to be a legion of stoic, robotic followers who will dispute that?  I thought this was guy was supposed to be something special? Wasn&#8217;t he supposed to be very smart? Wasn&#8217;t his use of advanced statistical analysis supposed to help him get players of &#8220;value&#8221;?</p>
<p>Looks like he&#8217;s being outsmarted by other GMs again.  Is somebody going to sit there and tell this fanbase that Sandy is having the best possible off season he can have? Or is this yet another repeat of last year?</p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who needs Willingham, we have Andres Torres. :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who needs Willingham, we have Andres Torres. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Met Maniac</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12/hot-stove-news-dontrelle-to-phillies-aramis-to-brewers-rowand-to-marlins.html#comment-210386</link>
		<dc:creator>Met Maniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the kind of thing a creative GM with a brain does to sign stars while they may be struggling somewhat with payroll but expect that payroll to become more flexible in a year or so. Lesson to be learned here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of thing a creative GM with a brain does to sign stars while they may be struggling somewhat with payroll but expect that payroll to become more flexible in a year or so. Lesson to be learned here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[..and I&#039;m going to actually care what people like you think about my evaluation of the baseball business currently at hand? Of course not]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..and I&#8217;m going to actually care what people like you think about my evaluation of the baseball business currently at hand? Of course not</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No YOU wake up you loser,

There is no reason or excuse to move young, team controlled building blocks like Ike Davis or Jonathan Niese.  Those are guys you build with, at least according to baseball the way I know it growing up and it&#039;s no different now regardless of what you and your new legion of accountants and numbers crunchers say.  They are practically rookies/prospects themselves.
If Saber Sandy does move them or attempt to than I will start buying into the notion that maybe he does want his own players and not the one that Omar put on this team. You know, the players that Sandy is piggybacking his potential success on. 

But judging by the terrible way Alderson does business so far I see no success for this joke of a franchise for years to come as long as this idiot is at the helm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No YOU wake up you loser,</p>
<p>There is no reason or excuse to move young, team controlled building blocks like Ike Davis or Jonathan Niese.  Those are guys you build with, at least according to baseball the way I know it growing up and it&#8217;s no different now regardless of what you and your new legion of accountants and numbers crunchers say.  They are practically rookies/prospects themselves.<br />
If Saber Sandy does move them or attempt to than I will start buying into the notion that maybe he does want his own players and not the one that Omar put on this team. You know, the players that Sandy is piggybacking his potential success on. </p>
<p>But judging by the terrible way Alderson does business so far I see no success for this joke of a franchise for years to come as long as this idiot is at the helm</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your constant stereotypical comments (your god) is just one of the reasons most have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.  Your baseless assumptions are just really getting old, Bayonne.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your constant stereotypical comments (your god) is just one of the reasons most have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.  Your baseless assumptions are just really getting old, Bayonne.</p>
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		<title>By: Sach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Acc. to Jerry Crasnick, Josh Willingham has signed with the Twins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acc. to Jerry Crasnick, Josh Willingham has signed with the Twins.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stand corrected - sorry.    I knew it was just another bad pitcher that was brought in here to save the day, but didn&#039;t.

Jose Lima - rip

I do feel horrible for thinking Jorge Sosa was passed........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected &#8211; sorry.    I knew it was just another bad pitcher that was brought in here to save the day, but didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Jose Lima &#8211; rip</p>
<p>I do feel horrible for thinking Jorge Sosa was passed&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kooslock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kooslock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;yep looking to move Ike Davis, Jon Niese and any other young player w/potential to be a star is because ownership is broke.

Unbelievable excuse making for your god&quot;

Yeah an excuse, the rest of the free world know what&#039;s going on with ownership, but I guess you don&#039;t, but you played the game and can evaluate talent better than anyone else right?  

Do you know there is a difference between a reason and an excuse?

Wake up loser]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;yep looking to move Ike Davis, Jon Niese and any other young player w/potential to be a star is because ownership is broke.</p>
<p>Unbelievable excuse making for your god&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah an excuse, the rest of the free world know what&#8217;s going on with ownership, but I guess you don&#8217;t, but you played the game and can evaluate talent better than anyone else right?  </p>
<p>Do you know there is a difference between a reason and an excuse?</p>
<p>Wake up loser</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kooslock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kooslock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You calling out anyone for an immature post is pretty ironic.    I guess it&#039;s not immature for your God Bayonne to butt into two other people have a civil discussion with is childish remarks?   You guys should start your own blog so you can talk stupid and just salute each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You calling out anyone for an immature post is pretty ironic.    I guess it&#8217;s not immature for your God Bayonne to butt into two other people have a civil discussion with is childish remarks?   You guys should start your own blog so you can talk stupid and just salute each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t he hit the GS off Lima?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t he hit the GS off Lima?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[trading kids that are practically rookies/prospects themselves that are under team control for what you call &quot;prospects for the future&quot; makes no sense whatsoever.   So trading Niese &amp; Davis, who are &#039;young players for the future&#039; for kids a couple years younger who are prospects but with no major league experience for makes sense? So now it&#039;s different kinds of futures? Niese &amp; Davis are good for the present and future and you trade a future star like Ike Davis who can be the next face of the franchise you&#039;re gonna get killed at the turnstiles even moreso. Especially if he&#039;s cracking 40 HRs next year. He would have surpassed 30 this year if he stayed healthy.


Niese &amp; Davis are part of the pieces of a team that is supposed to contend and make money so how does trading them for unproven prospects help the Wilpon&#039;s financial situation? Unless there is a major acquisition for Niese I don&#039;t see the sense in trading a young Lefty who is not far from being a prospect &amp; had to work with a terrible catching tandem last year.

Again you&#039;re over thinking maybe try and loosen up your bookeeper&#039;s visor and use some baseball sense.   I cannot believe the type of ridiculous baseball conversations that happen here now. Everybody is losing their minds.  I think people would rather discuss finances and try to sound smart with all these new numbers crunching toys than actually try to figure what&#039;s best to win.  Trying to win in baseball is out - trying to sound intellectual is in]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trading kids that are practically rookies/prospects themselves that are under team control for what you call &#8220;prospects for the future&#8221; makes no sense whatsoever.   So trading Niese &amp; Davis, who are &#8216;young players for the future&#8217; for kids a couple years younger who are prospects but with no major league experience for makes sense? So now it&#8217;s different kinds of futures? Niese &amp; Davis are good for the present and future and you trade a future star like Ike Davis who can be the next face of the franchise you&#8217;re gonna get killed at the turnstiles even moreso. Especially if he&#8217;s cracking 40 HRs next year. He would have surpassed 30 this year if he stayed healthy.</p>
<p>Niese &amp; Davis are part of the pieces of a team that is supposed to contend and make money so how does trading them for unproven prospects help the Wilpon&#8217;s financial situation? Unless there is a major acquisition for Niese I don&#8217;t see the sense in trading a young Lefty who is not far from being a prospect &amp; had to work with a terrible catching tandem last year.</p>
<p>Again you&#8217;re over thinking maybe try and loosen up your bookeeper&#8217;s visor and use some baseball sense.   I cannot believe the type of ridiculous baseball conversations that happen here now. Everybody is losing their minds.  I think people would rather discuss finances and try to sound smart with all these new numbers crunching toys than actually try to figure what&#8217;s best to win.  Trying to win in baseball is out &#8211; trying to sound intellectual is in</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: any</title>
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		<dc:creator>any</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are so far off the mark in this case you aren&#039;t in the same hemisphere with the god crack.

and of course it is because they are broke.  If (and remember, no one has been traded, and every report is the mets are looking to hit the jackpot for any of them) they are, it is only because the team doesn&#039;t expect to have the money to buy the missing pieces in the next couple of years, or to keep these guys around long enough to help out when the team might finally be competitive.

no one is looking to trade guys because they have star potential.  If it happens, it is to get multiple pieces of the future out of 1 current piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are so far off the mark in this case you aren&#8217;t in the same hemisphere with the god crack.</p>
<p>and of course it is because they are broke.  If (and remember, no one has been traded, and every report is the mets are looking to hit the jackpot for any of them) they are, it is only because the team doesn&#8217;t expect to have the money to buy the missing pieces in the next couple of years, or to keep these guys around long enough to help out when the team might finally be competitive.</p>
<p>no one is looking to trade guys because they have star potential.  If it happens, it is to get multiple pieces of the future out of 1 current piece.</p>
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		<title>By: any</title>
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		<dc:creator>any</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I have said ever since the surgery that Santana should be considered a question mark forever.  Of course he is going to be one at this point, since they really have no idea what to expect when he ramps it up in ST.  

I still say plan like he doesn&#039;t exist, so anything he gives you is gravy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have said ever since the surgery that Santana should be considered a question mark forever.  Of course he is going to be one at this point, since they really have no idea what to expect when he ramps it up in ST.  </p>
<p>I still say plan like he doesn&#8217;t exist, so anything he gives you is gravy.</p>
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		<title>By: Petey Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petey Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was a &quot;long and wanging road.....&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was a &#8220;long and wanging road&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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