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2011
Don’t Kid Yourself, Alderson’s Taking A Page From Beane’s 2012 Playbook
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According to Ken Gurnick of MLB.com, Daniel Murphy is the one player on the Mets that the Dodgers tried to trade for at the Winter Meetings, according to a baseball source, and they might make another run at him.
Murphy was the unnamed player general manager Ned Colletti referred to when he said he might be able to upgrade the roster at the Winter Meetings, adding yet another multi-position player after earlier signing Jerry Hairston Jr. and Adam Kennedy.
Gurmick adds that the trade unraveled when the Mets satisfied their need elsewhere without having to trade Murphy, a reference perhaps to Giants outfielder Andres Torres.
Aside from some defensive jitters in the field – most likely due to being bounced around between positions he has very little pro experience playing – Murphy is one of the most proficient hitters on the team.
Before having his season cut short again in 2011, Murphy, now 26, hit .320 in 109 games and was 5th in the league in batting before he got injured.
There are plenty of other teams interested in him, and he’s become quite the hot commodity for the Mets, surprisingly so.
Ike Davis and Jon Niese, both 24, have also been mentioned in some trade rumors which is kind of baffling really. When asked about it, Alderson basically said David Wright is the only player assured of not being traded this winter.
So this plan, if that’s what you want to call it, doesn’t seem to be based on keeping any of the current younger players like Niese, Davis and I would imagine Ruben Tejada and Lucas Duda as well.
It looks more like tearing down any remnants of the Minaya era and replacing them all with Alderson-approved players.
They can deny it all they want, but this is the same thing their doing in Oakland right now, everybody’s available for more prospects. A cycle of rebuilding every 5-6 years. I can’t believe after the A’s have been tooting their horn for years about developing Andrew Bailey, Trevor Cahill and Gio Gonzalez - they’re all being traded after less than 4 years of service despite how they’ve shined. That scares me.
Wright is only being kept around to sell some jerseys and tickets – and to prevent a mass exodus of any remaining interested fans who still remain loyal – for now.
About the Author: Joe DeCaro
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I have a hunch that wherever Murphy ends up he’ll have a 5-6 years of .285 -15- 80 production as a third baseman. I see him getting traded before the spring.
If Wright is going to be traded by the All Star game, they likely won’t trade Murphy unless there is a shooting star minor league guy at 3B who impresses them. I wouldn’t count on a kid from the minors being the prime mover that enables Sandy to trade both Wright and Murphy.
You hit it on the nose Joe,
That’s what I was thinking when I heard the Ike Davis trade rumors which are really unbelievable. It appears if Alderson is offering those players around as well than he is trying to get rid of anything leftover from Minaya’s reign. Maybe that’s something you should ask him directly, and if that’s the case that’s not even about baseball and wanting to win. That is just selfish and fits the thinking of some kind of megalomaniac to a tee.
Sorry Joe, but hese are the worst times that I can ever remember as a Mets fan and yes that includes the losing of the late 70s & early 80s. Those years were a joy compared to the insanity that is happening now.
Imagine being more concerned about who got the players than just fielding the best team possible for the people of New York City. I think this angle should be brought to the attention of the mainstream media for discussion and me and my wishful thinking would hope it would lead to an early exit by Alderson. Fat chance, though.
I would rather Alderson gone than the Wilpons and this proves to be true, that he’s getting rid of players just because they were Minaya’s then the Wilpons have hired a lunatic who has no idea how to fit into the job he was given
While no one on the Mets extended roster should be untouchable, there is no doubt that Daniel Murphy is the best pure hitter in the system by quite a wide margin. Murphy would be a marvelous addition to any team needing a 3B (and to a slightly lesser degree, a 1B). The thing that has undermined Daniel the most is his willingness to move defensively wherever he is needed. And he gives it his all, wherever Manuel, Collins or the organization has asked him to play. That is certainly why he suffered two of his three major injuries. Murphy is a classic line-drive hitter with a good eye, rarely whiffs, can hit to all fields and hits southpaws almost as well as right-handers. If the Mets should deal him, no doubt Murph will be a quality bat for the next 10 years for other teams. Perhaps he will make his way to the AL to DH? But since Murphy’s best position is clearly 3B, and Ruben Tejada may even be a better 2B than SS, why not move David Wright to SS? This may sound a bit far-fetched, but the Mets did this same thing with Howard Johnson in the late 80s/early 90s. Wright has a Cal Ripken body with more speed and quickness. From the standpoint of up-the-middle defense, it would be hard to argue that Wright/Tejada wouldn’t be better than Tejada/Murphy, and Tejada’s range would be more effective going toward RF rather than LF. This may not be a long-term solution, but what would the Mets have to lose by making such a daring experiment?
Wright at SS? Why not pitching? That will be more daring. Or catching? No, forget the idea,
he can’t throw.
If he had a more reliable arm, I’d consider it. That side arm crap would never work at SS.
You can’t be serious.Wright has trouble at 3rd and you want to put him at the most important position on the field.If you said 2nd base maybe but SS.No way.
Off Topic: Ryan Braun tests positive for PED.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7338271/ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-tests-positive-performance-enhancing-drug
The comment under this was meant for here, lol. Seriously, though, say it ain’t so… Braun? He was one of my favorites. I’m losing hope.
makes you wonder if they all cheat, and just the stupid or unlucky ones get caught!
Say it ain’t so!
Why do you think the moves they are making (or mostly, hearing rumors about) have anything to do with how was GM when the players were signed? And leaping off the deep end to conclude that it is because Sandy is a megalomaniac who is trading players just to get rid of them flat out silly.
everything going on stems from the fact that the team is broke, and there is not enough budget to do everything right now that needs to be done to fill all the holes to be a serious playoff contender next year. Or “can’t miss” prospects at AAA that are beating down the door for the majors this spring.
so the FO has to objectively look at the team and decide if they can make the playoffs in the next couple of years. If the answer is no, the choice becomes just tread water and shoot for mediocrity, or take a step back possibly so they can be better positioned for a few years down the road, when they think the real cream of the prospects could be ready to help out.
If they trade anyone like Neise or Ike, it is only going to be if they get overwhelmed (as in, fill multiple needs) or they just keep them. They aren’t going to trade them just to get rid of “omar’s guys”.
Murphy is a different situation, since he doesn’t really have a position to play, which makes him a logical candidate to troll for a player that does fill a gaping need (such as a catcher).
Ike Davis, Lucas Duda, Ruben Tejada and RA Dickey are not available in trade. It’s just a lot easier to generalize and say to other GMs – We’re willing to discuss anyone except David Wright instead of noting which players really are available for trade and which ones are not. Plus the general, Black Friday version of above allows Sandy to initiate and have some dialogue with other GMs – Well, we’re really not interested in trading Ike Davis, but maybe I can interest you in Jon Niese or Mike Pelfrey.
everybody on the team should have a price. Some are just higher than others.
and the only way to find out if some GM wants to go overboard on a guy is to let them make offers.
Ike Davis should be an untouchable. If you can’t built with a kid under team control for years to come who projects (IMO) to be a 40HR (and he will hit 40 HRs more than once before he’s done), 100RBI, 280-310 hitter than what the hell else you want? It simply makes no sense at all and the only reason that i can come up with is that Alderson simply wants his guys which is crazy in and of itself. Otherwise that kid should be the most untouchable position player on this team
he probably is, and until you see him wearing another teams jersey, he absolutely is.
The only way he gets traded has to be if some team wants him bad enough to give up a serious stud C and SP prospect (or something like that) so you can fill 2 holes instead of 1, and you have someone else that you feel can replace him too.
Odds are no team is giving up enough for him to make it worthwhile, so he isn’t going anyplace. But on a bad team, the GM should be exploring every possible avenue to speed up the process of getting back to the top.
well I’ve been hearing some trade rumors about his so obviously he isn’t untouchable.
no one is untouchable. If a player doesn’t have a NTC, there is a price that can get him.
So basically you are telling other teams you don’t intend to trade him, but if they want to go crazy and make an offer, feel free.
well duh,
I guess for the right price and if they were overwhelmed the Mets could’ve traded Keith Hernandez in his prime right before 2006, or Gooden in 1985. Sure if you want to believe that anything crazy can happen than yes.
I don’t think in terms that “if anything crazy can happen”
If I’m the Mets and I’m building a contender (like it should have been treated last year) Ike Davis is my 1B, case closed. I don’t wake up in the morning wondering if I’m going to be offered a whacked out crazy deal.
Listen, don’t over think, calm down. I deal in realistic scenarios related to building contending teams, not “anything can happen” fantasy scenarios.
you’re just trying to be too clever there daddio, just like your hero. You’re over thinking with all these creative fantasy scenarios.
Here’s real life. You bring up a 40 HR/280-300 hitter/100+ RBI guy through your farm system and his defense is excellent you move on. You’re set there – that’s it. That’s the way it’s always been.
You don’t move your brand new rookie stud who WILL be a stud to try and improve in 2 other areas with rookies or minor leagues. That’s just science fiction and it should not happen.
The Mets are set at 1B – NEXT! That’s the way you do it.
double standard there pops.
Ike has career highs of 19/71. And even with his hot start, was on ~ a 30 HR pace.
So basically, you are projecting a prospect to what you think he can do, which is something he never has done. You make it sound like he has consistently put up those numbers. There is no guarantee that he will, just like there is no guarantee that any rookie/prospect is going to hit their perceived ceiling.
maybe he will, maybe he won’t, but how the hell is this any different than projecting any other young player?
I think duda is easily going to be a 30+ HR guy too, but can’t guarantee it.
right – life isn’t gaurantee Mr. Accountant so once in awhile look up from your spreadsheet and bookkeeper’s visor.
I don’t care what Ike’s career highs are – he’s new so what the hell is wrong with you?
You make a prediction and you stick to it. Scouts make a living doing that! I think Ike is going to be a 35-45 HR/280-300+ hitter/100 RBI guy and the Mets should build with him. What the hell is wrong with you???? You need the hitter/kid to do it first? NO!!! You project that the kid will be that type of hitter.
I project Duda right now to be a 270+, 20+HR type hitting run producer in 2012 so you stick with him. He doesn’t have to do it first to convince me – that’s just silly.
Oh and I forgot probably the most important thing to look for outside of the numbers (and I know you live & die with numbers) But Ike Davis has shown at an early stage of his career to be able to hit in big spots. He rises to the occasion under pressure and carries a certain swagger with him when he comes to bat in big spots – and his defense already is outstanding and a solid defender at 1B will help keep your infield together. Look how Carlos Delgado saved David Wright’s behind with all those scoops of his bad throws.
Ike Davis is a keeper and show the potential to deliver Piazza-like dramatic hits. That’s what you need to win and therefore is untouchable in my book. That’s how you build with some good old fashioned baseball sense.
look any (and I feel stupid referring to someone as “any” so what kind of screen monicker is that – not too creative)
Don’t try and match wits okay? Stick to book keeping
Thanks. I almost spit my beer out reading this. You remind me of the minister of propaganda for Iraq during Desert Storm. The stuff you spew forth from you keyboard is priceless sometimes.
the stuff i spew? Yeah how silly of me to predict that Ike Davis will be a 35-45 HR a year guy who drives in runs in big spots, is already an outstanding defender at 1B and should be a keeper.
Very silly. And even more silly that I’m predicting those types of numbers for him
It was specifically the “match wits” comment that almost had my New Belgium Ranger IPA flying out my nose. Are you crazy for predicting Ike’s stats to be that? Absolutely not. I think he can put up those numbers too. It’s more your word-smithery and self proclaimed MENSA membership card you must have that cause me to take a moment and throw it back at you.
I think you’d get your point across mush more susinctly if you didn’t drop down to third grade name calling and insults whenever some has an opinion slightly different than your own.
yeah never mind the fact that he most likely would have reached those numbers this year if he didn’t get hurt! There is no doubt in my mind he would have hit over 30 HRs this year. No doubt.
So you are saying a kid that has not even finished a complete season, played for one month last year and and spent the rest of the season on the DL should be untouchable? Are you freaking kidding me?
Then predict he is going to hit 40 hrs?
You are right, people shouldn’t battle wits with you, because clearly, you are unarmed.
That’s right daddio,
Obviously you have never been in a position to judge talent in your entire life. That’s one thing about the internet, I can’t tell if you’re an old lady, a wiseguy kid who read moneyball and thinks he knows it all, a person in a wheelchair who never walked. I don’t know who the hell you are.
That aside if you’ve never been in a position to judge talent than you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
And yes – I’ve seen ENOUGH of Ike Davis to know that he will become a 35-45 HR a year player who can hit .300 and drive in 90-115 RBIs ever year. YEP. I’ve already come to that conclusion.
There are people who make a living doing that in case you didn’t know. Sure, they’re not right all the time and lord knows I’m not right all the time otherwise I wouldn’t be here but that’s how it works. Sorry that your world of “close to the vest”, “no risks but asking for high reward” world doesn’t subscribe to that type of thinking.
Seriously dude, who the hell do you think you are? It’s clear you think you know it all, but in fact you have no clue.
What do you know about my world or anyone’s, you’re just a guy that has muscles behind a keyboard and talks a good game, one day you’ll join the real world and you’ll be eaten alive.
Thanks for letting me know there are professionals that do this for a living, got it, and that’s why you are just behind a keyboard NOT getting paid, because you don’t know what your talking about.
and who the hell are you to say that I can’t predict what I think Ike Davis is going to become. You’re the one who started it with the snarky/wise ass remark about me “clearly being unarmed” just because I’ve already projected what Ike Davis will become based on what i’ve seen?
You don’t know my background either buddy. I can tell that you’re a fan of moneyball, you play fantasy baseball and you’re a big saber guy and you wouldn’t trust your own judgement on anything baseball if your life depended on it. Wonder if i’m right?
WOW you ARE as arrogant as they come.
“I can tell that you’re a fan of moneyball, you play fantasy baseball and you’re a big saber guy and you wouldn’t trust your own judgement on anything baseball if your life depended on it”
Take your ass out of your head, I’ve been reading your garbage for a long time, and finally posted, so in one post you know who I am, what I’m about and my view on baseball because I said you are a know it all getting on your soapbox and saying who should be untouchable?
That is just your standard response to someone that can see right through you and your BS.
I hope Ike hits 50 homeruns, its for the best of the Mets, in the meantime go back to hole and see what garbage you can make up tomorrow.
Just because he hasn’t hit 30HR’s yet, doesn’t mean that he can’t do it. Ike Davis is a big strong kid(He’s 6′ 4″ 230 pounds), and can hit the ball a mile – He has hit some BOMBS in his short time up here……And he has also shown that he has a very good eye at the plate – Ike Davis is for real, and he also plays very good defense at 1st.
He’s somebody the Mets should build their team around……not trade away.
Sure I like Ike but I do not KNOW he can hit 45 HRs. I also could not have KNOWN that David Wright would slide offensively after his first 4 years and also start getting injured. These kinds of projections about a young player qualify as being nothing buit more met mania. Overrating a guy’s talent because he is on your team. They would not get rid of guys just because Omar drafted them. They make their decisions based on the information they have and the expertise that they obviously possess.
Let’s all agree with our pal who drinks some funny water. Both Ike Davis and Ruben Tejada are, or should be, untouchable. Both have improved, but one of them has a low ceiling. Which one is it, Bayonne?
When you comment about Alderson wanting all “Alderson approved players” isn’t that how it is with all GMs?
For Wright’s situation, I’m sure that is part of it, putting butts in the seats. I’m sure it also has to do with his value being low and he will be sure to fetch more with a team looking to get over the hump and into the playoffs.
This is how I see it Joe D. No one on this team is untouchable as far as I am concerned. That doesn’t mean to go ahead and trade them but you don’t shut down seeing how much interest there is as well.
If in seeking how much interest there is on any players you find out that for argument’s sake a Gio Gonzalez could be obtained for a Ike Davis & Jon Niese you would have to seriously consider such an offer. Not that such an offer is likely to happen but the point is you don’t do no harm in seeing what’s out there. If you don’t then who is to say what type of deal could of been due to not even gauging how much interest there is.
When and if the trades your concerned about happen we can revisit this and see if indeed there is merit to your concern.
The waters part and here comes sanity, playing the part of Moses, strolling on thru on dry ground.
Sanity, leave while you still can! You are alone here.
Too Shea…
He ain’t Moses. He just knows where the rocks are.
the waters part and here comes BULLSHlT because if Omar Minaya dangled David Wright or Jose Reyes back in 2005 or 2006 the fanbase upon hearing if those guys were even available would’ve disemboweled him like Hannibal Lechter. It’s a double standard no matter how melancholy it’s expressed.
Ike Davis is as part of a template for a winning unit this team has. You have a kid that projects to being a 35-45 HR/100 RBI/.280-.300 hitter is an outstanding defender at 1B so what the HELL more do u want? That’s how you build. You do not build by trading kids who project to be stars for other kids who project to be stars especially when the one you have is showing he can do it at the major league level.
And yes that’s what i’m saying – Ike is a keeper, he has shown he can deliver big time under pressure unlike the so-called Faux face of the franchise who has developed a reputation as being a choke artist and and over-rated player. And if people …no wait…fans have a problem with that than i can’t help it if they dont’ have confidence in their ability to judge talent. Nobody is always right but there are people who are fans who have more experience in things than most other fans who, the closest they’ve ever come to a baseball diamond is when they buy a ticket, sorry.
The love affair for David Wright is as battling a situation as i’ve ever seen following the Mets. It has to be because of what he looks like and not what he does, there’s no other explanation for it. The guy does a major choke job when the pressure is on, his fielding has gotten worse, his hitting has gotten worse and even if it was still good he’d still CHOKE when you need him the most, most of the time. And until this year the guy dogged it running the bases more often than Carlos Beltran ever has. I just don’t understand it. He’s the guy that should have been moved and Reyes was the guy that should have been kept. And Ike Davis is the one that will become the face of this franchise if he keeps up what he’s doing. The fact that he got hurt last year does not deter my projection of him because he would have had those numbers already up in 2011 if he didn’t get hurt
*baffling not battling”
You just continue to say stupid things:
“The love affair for David Wright is as battling a situation as i’ve ever seen following the Mets. It has to be because of what he looks like and not what he does, there’s no other explanation for it.”
Did you come to that conclusion from all the time you’ve spent in the game and played the game?
“Nobody is always right but there are people who are fans who have more experience in things than most other fans who, the closest they’ve ever come to a baseball diamond is when they buy a ticket, sorry.”
The more you post, the more I think this fits your profile.
You sure are having a hissy fit over gossip. I hope Ike stays and puts up those numbers you are guessing at, that would be great for all Mets fans. However, your obsession with a guy that hasn’t even played a full yet is as sick as your obsession on hating a guy because of the way he looks.
Get over it and yourself.
Listen here, and I’ll try to simplify it so your synapses don’t get crossed. If trading Ike brought back a wainwright and a carpenter, you do that. This has nothing to do with Omar. Let Omar go. He’s in San Diego now. Take a trip, enjoy the 85 degree weather and chill out.
Bayonne is now synonymous with obstinate. Please rise to a higher level. Please stop being Bayonne. Can’t you move to the Bronx or Queens or Stony Brook or somewhere else and leave the persona you have a “rockin’” there?
And no, I must state I am with you in that I don’t want Ike traded. But if offering him got you Wainwright and Carpenter, you do it. That’s pretty much what Alderson is doing. Seeing what is out there. If Ike only brings you back 2 crappy players, you let him blossom like the bearded wonder he is. No harm, no foul. Why is this so difficult to grasp? I’m starting to wonder if we here are supplementing couch time for you at a much cheaper rate.
That trade is unrealistic – Sure ANYBODY can be traded if you offer something crazy…..Like I’m sure the Tigers would make Verlander available if they can get back Halladay, Hamels, Utley, and Pence in return….but that’s not realistic.
There is not REALISTIC trade for Ike that would make sense for this team – Carpenter and Wainwright for Ike is a fantasy, and any trade like that will never happen.
Ike is young, has great power, and is a great fielder, so what we are going to trade him for? Prospects? Not happening – Ike would only be a few years older than those guys anyway, and has already has success at the big league level – So why the Mets trade him for prospects? It makes no sense.
Listen NJHeadStuckinMud,
As I said before and some of you have a very hard time understanding I don’t deal with fantasy scenarios.
When A GM has a template of what he wants to build with you go forward and build upon that.
I’m sure Philadelphia, St. Louis or anybody else goes forward with a plan. They don’t think about “well what if Tampa offers Longoria/Upton/Shields for Pujols (at the time) or Philadelphia doesn’ think about “what if SF offers Lincecum” for Lee/Howard/Brown.
You can prepare for those things – that silly world of “what ifs” is you and several other people’s domain.
OK Massapequa Mets Fan. When you start making sense, I’ll do my best to start answering you with cognizant replies.
you want to build with the Mets? Okay then – First base is settled. NOW MOVE ON!
I agree MNJ on the point that you LISTEN to anyone about anyone.
Sandy has made this what it is, no one else. It is Sandy that instead of simply saying “Anyone is available for the right price” Keep sying things like “I don’t forsee us trading wright this winter” as if Spring might change that.
If he was REALLY smart all he would say is the truth! “Everyone is available if the price is right!” and keep the player names out of it!
As far as Wright is concerned he can not actually trade Wright this winter after letting Reyes go! He could get away with letting Beltran and K-Rod go due to financial excuses but he could not surpvive the loss of both Reyes and Wright in a single offseason. Which is why he keeps saying Wright is untouchable this WINTER and no mention of spring and trade deadline where next year’s season ticket sales are already locked up!
Joe is correct we are playinh Moneyball through and through! We are purging anyone who makes decent money, signing a few mid priced scrubs to short term contracts so we APPEAR like we are trying to win but the end goal is to purge the team of anyone making a decent salary and hoping they can get enough kids in return to field a team in the next two years!
But in NYC he had better win something in the next 2-3 years or Sandy will be as much a met as Reyes is right now!
“I don’t forsee us trading wright this winter” is just that. They don’t foresee it but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. Personally I don’t see this as a lie cause the word used is “foresee”.
But that IS the lie MNJ…
He doesn’t forsee it because he doesn’t want to say SURE I might!
That would affect ticket sales greatly if the fans thought neither Reyes or Wright were going to be on the team.
So it is an attempt at reassuring the fans Wright will be here despite the fact he could very well trade him!
Sandy made it all about Wright. In essence saying Wright is in our plans. But then again he may not be!
Just say EVERY PLAYER is available for the right price and stop trying to sell tickets based on having a player he can not PROMISE will be here!
The Lie is that he is trying to say Wright will be here so go buy tickets!
The Truth is he might not be here and if you bought tickets to see him I might disappoint you!
Wright will be traded sometime during the season,m not Winter.
If thats the case just say that!
If he is going to entertain trades then say that too!
Not this crap that seems to be phrased to keep fans buying tickets hoping to see a guy he could easily trade in spring without ruining the SEMANTICS of his statement!
Winter is a semantical way of saying I won’t trade him before May!
Thats all!
The inference is I won’t trade him but that is the truth for only the next two or three months!
Just like saying he wanted Jose back right up until the moment Reyes left without a single offer being made!
It’s using semantics to cover up the lie!
Sure he wanted Reyes back if he could get him for no raise!
Sure he won’t trade Wright in the next three months…
But the question was Will Reyes and Wright be here!
And the answer was given to suggest the opposite of what Sandy actually intended!
I guess my interpretation of foresee is different than yours than cause to me it means exactly what you claim it doesn’t.
Foresee is only as good as the timeline attached to it.
He doesn’t forsee doing it in the Winter…Note if he had NO INTENTION of trading Wright he would not put WINTER in the sentence!
He would simply say I do not forsee trading David Wright PERIOD!
By placing the ‘THIS WINTER: he is saying he might forsee it sometime after the Winter!
It’s english and plain. and as soon as winter is over that statement no longer applies and he can trade Wright without making his previous statement untrue!
The INTENTION of the quote is to trade wright AFTER Winter not keep past it!
Like I said what he said speaks for himself. I see no lie I see what you see yet you say it’s a lie cause he is not saying using the words you prefer. “He doesn’t foresee trading Wright this Winter” is that the quote? If so then yes They don’t “envision”, “expect” “foresee” trading Wright this Winter. Which leaves still a chance and this Winter and the possibility come the Spring 2012 and every season after.
sorry should read “for itself”.
MNJ the LIE is in the fact that he says he is interested in keeping Wright when he knows he is not!
Just as he lied when he said he thinks he has a good shot at keeping Reyes who he never made an offer to!
It’s all for selling tickets not actual truth to his intentions.
Sure he is going to keep wright for the winter until the season ticket sales checks are in. then he goes!
The lie is HE WANTS WRIGHT!
He doesn’t! He wants him just for the WInter so ticket sales don’t sag even more than they will now that Reyes left!
I don’t know what his real intention is regarding Wright. Now you want to speculate that you do that is fine but unless you have something more concrete your only speculating about something you have no way in really knowing.
Well MNJ I’m using his past statements to judge his current.
Whenever asked about a player his answer starts off alluding he wants him but leaves himself an out that he does everything possible to make sure that out happens.
Instead of saying NO (which was given an expiration date) I would rather he tell the truth and say Maybe but probably not this winter!
Thats the HONEST answer!
Not that Sell By date “NO” which expires the day the season ticket checks clear!
Regarding “he does everything possible to make sure that out happens” I will just say that you can believe that if you wish Metsie. Personally I don’t share your thoughts on that and I have no desire to try to explain why so we’ll leave it at that.
if the Dodgers want Murphy ask for Zack Lee. Done deal. Also ask Toronto for Travis D’Araud,see who they want,but the METS need a catcher.
“Alderson basically said David Wright is the only player assured of not being traded this winter.”
Really? I don’t believe that for a second. Such a statement would be strictly for fan consumption to hold down threats of an insurrection after letting Jose’ walk. The reality is that David would be gone in a second if a decent offer was proposed by another GM. You don’t think SA is itching to get rid of David’s contaract? Believe it, with the right offer David is history. Even if David makes it through the winter with the Mets, he will not be on the team in 2013.
On the hand, regarding Murphy, it’s hard to believe other GM’s are falling all over themselves competing for Murphy. Here is a player who is unable to field a position and is truly only a PH’er. If someone takes him, you can be sure it won’t be for much.
Finally, I don’t buy the thesis of SA dumping Omar’s guys. He is dumping salary because the owners need to come out from under red ink. He’s dumping for sure, but not because of Omar.
Actually onlymm, that statement is the one TRUTH Sandy has spoken!
‘WINTER” being the key word in that statement!
Wright will not be traded this winter but Spring and Mid Season is more likely!
He can not trade Wright this “WINTER” after letting Reyes go, The season ticket sales would plummet!
After winter and once the spring and season starts those sales will already be locked in!
THEN he can trade Wright!
He’s wrong. Jason Bay is also assured of not being traded, because nobody will take him.
all players can be traded for the right praice. always. we already knew that. it would be stupid for alderson to not entertain offers for anyone.
this article isnt even based on actual trades, but rumors about trades that havent happened. maybe wait until a trade actually happens before we analyze.
Why is everyone freaking out over RUMORS that Ike and Niese are on the block? Whats wrong with Sandy feeling out the market? Doesnt make it a definate they will be traded. Everyone needs to relax. I’d be more upset if Sandy was NOT looking to establish what he can get for every single player on the Mets, even Wright. How would he ever know if some GM will freak and grossly overpay for someone? Sandy’s job is make sure the Mets are competitive for a very long time. As well as build the farm system.
If people want to blame someone for the state of the Mets, blame the Wilpons. Its their gross negligence that put the Mets in the spot they’re in!