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2011
Angel Pagan Traded To Giants For Andres Torres and Ramon Ramirez
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24 hours after the bittersweet news that Jose Reyes had signed a six-year, $106 million dollar deal with the Marlins, Sandy Alderson decided to get Mets fans minds off of Reyes and back to baseball, by orchestrating a flurry of moves climaxed by a trade that sent center fielder Angel Pagan to the San Francisco Giants for reliever Ramon Ramirez and outfielder Andres Torres.
Torres is coming off a disappointing season after a breakthrough season in 2010, and at 33 years old he’ll be hard-pressed to rediscover that form at the plate. Defensively he is above average at all three outfield spots and also has good speed which will come in handy at Citi Field.
The steal of the deal for Alderson might be Ramirez who may now be the leading contendor for the Mets setup role in the bullpen, and he can also close if the need arises. The 30-year-old righthander had a 2.66 ERA in 66 appearances for the Giants last season.
Both Torres and Ramirez are in their final year of arbitration and will become free agents after next season. On the surface the deal looks like a good one for the Mets and even if Torres ends up becoming a fourth outfielder, I still like the deal because of how badly the Mets needed a reliever like Ramirez in the bullpen.
As for Angel Pagan, he got his shot and lets face it, he blew it. He regressed in the field, at the plate and on the base paths. Pagan, 30, hit .262 with 32 steals and a .322 on-base percentage in 2011 after having a career year in 2010 with a .290 average, .340 OBP, 11 home runs, 69 RBIs and 37 steals. He also became a problem in the clubhouse and had become a loner who was always pouting.
All in all, a good deal.
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If true I love the addition of Ramirez. Torres eh but if the thought is filling in CF through the farm in the near future then I can’t quibble over Torres v. Pagan
I said in the other thread, at least Torres knows what base to throw to.
Francisco signed by Mets according to Heyman
Two years, 12 million.
only a person incapable of theirown thought process would express any hppiness over bringing in very mediocre at best releivers, and about the only centerfielder more mediocre than Pagan. But hey, Alderson did it so god forbid the koolaide drinkers dare to say anything but its wonderful. Afterall every prospect that the evil Omar brought in will now be a superstar because the roidal lovin gm is now at the throne. So sad there are a few mindless fans that will keep funnelling moiney to the steal pons. Well, enjoy the mediocrity, enjoy the lies stolen from decades of Pirate gm propoganda about all the prospects that moslty will not pan out and if they excel will be too costly to keep. Most of us will watch occassionally and spend our money on companies that deserve paying customers.
For you UZR guys I read this tweet from Patrick Flood
Torres is +40 runs fielding as an OF by UZR for his career; Pagan is +13 runs. And Torres has 1000 fewer innings.
For his career? That’s pretty good.
yeah, not gonna pretend I’m a huge UZR guy but clearly a difference
I think Ramirez is a sneaky great grab there.
I only pay attention to UZR when the word “career” is attached somehow.
I thought Pagan and Torres was a wash, but if Torres is that much better of a defender, w just upgraded CF, while adding a good bullpen arm. Nice work.
Ya, with the Lucas Duda Experiment happening RF, we need a solid glove in CF.
Donal, w might’ve just agreed. Hello old sport. Good to be pals.
Easiest way to improve a team is to improve the bullpen. Nice work by future commish. These three represent an upgrade in talent to the group we were anticipating coming back in 2012. Plus they fit the mandate to be off the books after 2013. I like it.
First good piece of Mets offseason news I’ve heard thus far! I like how we dealt Pagan (PLEASE let Pelf be next!) and we got Ramon Ramirez, but Torres? Ugh. I just hope he’ll be at least a backup OF and not a starter.
CF? How about Captain Kirk? I think Torres is a seat warmer.
What have you heard about his progress on the shoulder?
There was an article from the beginning of November, where he was quoted as saying he could start baseball “related” activities, whatever the hell that means, in a few weeks, and he said he should be “good to go” for the beginning of ST. But, of course that’s assuming there are no setbacks in his rehab.
Torres isn’t terrible. He’s a stop-gap till someone else is ready, but the Mets don’t have to worry as much about CF right now. Torres is good enough for Sandy to concern himself with a SP right now.
If Torres has a year like 2010 I’ll sign for that right now. I also would’ve signed for Pagan to repeat 2010. All in all we just added 3 nice pieces to a garbage pen so it’s a huge upgrade.Ramirez is one helluva reliever.Francisco is good and Rauch can be very good at times.
I paid little to no attention to Torres but if those fielding numbers are indicitive then he should have a role. My question now is though who will Lead off?
Torres probably
Leading off an inning he hit .272, with a .372 OBP in 125 AB.
Murphy!!!
Murph is an option we will see.
The Irish Hammer
That’s a good question. I’ve heard Murphy’s name mentioned but that would mean he’s 2nd baseman and that would be a disaster for him and the team and whoever is on the bump.It could also be Tejada. Iff he puts the same OB% as last year he’ll make a pretty decent leadoff hitter.
Come on, it’s basically Pagan for Ramirez. Torres is a bum and the Mets need a backup outfielder or 3 since last year’s backup bums are gone. To me, that means they’ll be shopping for another centerfielder. Who the hell wants a career .244 hitter in CF?
Dave — He may be a bum (I don’t think so) but he can cover ground and the jury is out on how much help Duda will need in right field. Anyway, he’ll only have to be serviceable until homegrown help arrives.
t agee must be rolling in his all-homegrown made out lineup cards with all these 30 year old signings, lol. Hey, i never have an issue with 30+ year old guys if they can help you win
Looking at Torres’s splits the past 2 years, he seems to be better as a lefty although he’s a switch hitter. Too bad it’s not the other way around or Cap Kirk would be a good match for some platoon ab’s at some point..we probably still need another cf in the mix with p\Pridie gone and Duda needing defensive replacement late in games. Hairston back ? Or maybe Alderson has different idea, righty hitting OF that could play cf/rf…im glad his defensive skills are superior to Pagan, even with the walls coming in we will need good defense from cf.
I have become negatively obsessed about Pagan, the dumbest player I have ever seen. So I am happy about the trade. I have seen so little of the guys we got that I have no comment on them. Addition by subtraction.
Rauch used to have a live fastball. If he still does, then fine.
Well, pagan wasn’t any good.. but torres is even worst… i guess good thing he strenghten the bullpen with live arms, the SP is not that good and the runs wihtout reyes will be hard to come by, so.. a lot of 3-2 4-3 5-4 games this year for the mets, and i am being generous…
You say runs without Reyes will be hard to come by… I know this site has some saber nuts and saber haters so anyone got some RC stats to see how many runs Reyes is worth over Tejada?
For those that do care. Jose Reyes wRC+ was at 149 last year which based on my understanding he is 49% better than the average player. Ruben Tejada last year was exactly average. That being said for his career Jose is only at 112. The 149 was 26 points better than his best season. Got to give it to Jose that he had a career year at the right time. Too bad he could not even stay healthy then. He might have actually made Carl Crawford money.
so now you are comparing the value of tejada with reyes’?? you know, take those numbers and shove him you know where… i WATCH the games LIVE unlike some other people, i know what i see, you dont need to come up with numbers to tell me how valuable was reyes to the mets… if tejada was half as good or as skill as reyes is, i would’ve taken reyes myself to miami… stop it ok, we have saberlosers here already, noone is interested in garbage numbers ok..
I am sure some are interested in other facts besides what they see with a biased eye. I try to do both. You know me well enough to know I watch 90% of the games.
That being said of course Reyes is MUCH better than Tejada. My point is I am curious what the overall difference in runs between the two will be. In other words how much the players around him have to make up for. Seems like a reasonable question to me.
Torres is an excellent pickup and insurance if Bay sucks, which is a real possibility. Torres as an excellent defensive outfielder can give Collins the option of benching Bay.
so is endy chavez.. excellent pick up?? seriously???
Hopefully they bring in Endy to pair with him. Would be a good platoon actually.
I say excellent because they got a pitcher too.