Not trading huys who MAKE us competitive straight up for some kid who MIGHT 4 years down the line!

Sandy had Beltran, Reyes, Wright, K-Rod, Santana with cheap prospects like Davis, Tejada, Murphy, Duda and Gee plus the future readiness of Harvey, Familia, Mejia, Havens and Flores to work with.

Neither Cashen or Omar had that! (Exception Omar did have Wright and Reyes)

No one is asking Sandy to BUY us a championship but the truth is he is far closer to being able to do that (Finances permitting) than either Omar or Cashen was when they took over!

If Sandy was merely holding onto guys like Reyes and Wright people would have less of a problem with his moves.
But he is making trades based on money not on actual value return!
An All star for one A Ball pitcher?
And All Star for two PTBNL?

Can you cite similar type trades made by Cashen or Omar?

If he can’t use money then he should be using those guys like Evans, Pridie and Nickeas to save the money or trade them for a player that is going to help us in the future.

He is NOT doing that!
Cashen did!
despite having the same Attendance and financial restraints Sandy has!

George Foster was not signed until February of 1982, two years after Cashen took the job by the way.

Did you happen to read what Joe D wrote above in response to my first reply on this thread?

Smart move! Pujols means a lot more to them than Dotel!

And once the Pujols thing is settled don’t be surprised to see them revisit Dotel as an option if they find they can afford it.

Omar Minaya –
November 30th 2004 Signed Kris Benson.
Dec 15th 2004 Signed Ramon Castro
Dec 17th 2004 Signed Pedro Martinez
Jan 13th 2005 Signed Carlos Beltran
Jan 17th 2005 Signed Roberto Hernandez

That covers Omar’s First year and first couple of months…

Cashen:
Signed George Foster (after trding for his rights) and traded to bring Kingman back!
Made a ton of trades and used his draft picks to get the Goodens and Strawberry’s.
Did not get rid of his best player (Mazilli) until two years AFTER he had restocked the Minors with his draft picks.

Show us the parralel moves made by Sandy if you can Kay.

As it stands right now the only moves we seem to have made was dump two bad contracts for nothing. Trade Beltran (an All Star) for ONE A Ball prospect. Traded K-Rod for bench filler RPs and are in the proccess of letting Reyes go for what could be as low as Two 2nd rounders if the Marlins sign him.

His top draft pick is a guy who never played organized baseball other than for some amateur lodge which is about as organized as Joe’s Bar League.

He spent a total of about 12 Mil on guys who were useless for the year they were actually here and the one who wasn’t a total waste now wants more than 4 times the price and multiple years after averaging less than 6 Innings a game for the season!

Sure it took Cashen awhile to put the 86ers together.
But he did it by making trades for those guys we had no use for and packaging them for guys that we could use!

Omar made the playoffs much quicker because look at how many he signed in the first three or four months of his tenure! People say he spent too much but the truth is if he had just spent about 20 Mil more on a real Ace to complement the pitchers he had he might have won a WS and we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now!

Sandy is doing nothing but APPEARING like he is interested in players and building from within.
But all of his moves appear to be Salary based not competition based and he is taking less than he should in retirn just to get rid of Salary!

Salary that he has showed no inclination into turning into BETTER players, Just cheap scrups that do nothing for the sinking ship in fact they can’t even do enough to bail the boat and keep it floating!

We lost MORE games than the year previous and that is going to happen again!
Especially if our leading run scorer is playing elsewhere!

You want to give him time I understand.
But when you see a runner run the wrong way in a 30 team race how long do you wait before you stop him and tell him hey your going in the wrong direction?

I keep seeing references to it, but no one is going into detail because it is technical and frankly very boring, but I understand that teams with new stadiums are allowed to carry more debt for a longer period of time.

He is going to give the same answer which involves future flexibility.

Back to my point of a sense of entitlement to being in the know, I think there are times when some fan sites like this one tend to get out of the realm of reality and think they are more important or have earned some kind of privilege to be privy to the organization’s plans or inside info. They are fans, still, and will always be, nothing more and nothing less.

It’s my hope that every one reads this post, and then rereads it again. This goes far deeper then the average person knows or wants to know.

So what does the average fan do now? Jump ship, hope for the best? Continue to slam the wrong people? I don’t know.

Can’t wait to hear how your conversation goes on Thursday! Thanks again

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I am sure Sandy Alderson is going to lay out his offseason plan for you in full detail. He will tell us what his contract limits for Jose Reyes entail and then each move he plans on making with Reyes or without. I am positive you will get the answers you seek. Especially right before the biggest time of the offseason, the Winter Meetings, he will feel the need to answer such a broad question in full detail from a blogger. Right.

The sense of entitlement to be in the know of a professional sports team’s offseason’s plans has become, well, comical to say the least.

You asked, “really, you can tell by this short period of time what the new philosophy is already?”

No, I don’t think anyone can, but based on what I’ve learned in the last 3-4 weeks I have a very accurate idea of what’s going on and you can always come back and validate what I say in the future.

The Mets are using leaks to the press as their personal propaganda machine. The leaks are actually talking points and 3-4 beat writers are more than willing to play along and oblige them just so they can look like they’re more in the know than guys like Heyman or Rosenthal, while keeping the fanbase interested and engaged. After all, ticket sales are at a record low and they have to turn this around somehow.

This isn’t about Dotel. It’s about the leak that the Mets are “strong players for Dotel” and the huge media push to get this message across the web today. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The Mets can’t afford to pay Dotel and it doesn’t matter if he’s 28 or 38. That has nothing to do with it. Take every quality player off the free agent list and ignore any reports that Mets sources have said they are interested in Player A or Player B. It ain’t happening.

Someone told me that even if took 4 years and $60 million dollars to sign Jose Reyes, the Mets couldn’t sign him. Not because they can’t but because they are prohibited from increasing payroll on a scale like that. They have only been charged with slashing it.

I’m already on record as saying that the payroll which Alderson said would be around $110 million, will actually be closer to $85 million. In only three months we’ll have an idea if I was right or wrong. Let’s see.

Winning and building a future has nothing to do with any of this. This all about slashing expenses so that the Mets can pay back MLB and also keep the lenders from bankrupting the team and causing a takeover from MLB that not even Bud Selig will be able to stop despite his 30+ year friendship with Fred.

Sandy Alderson is a former military man like myself, and he has his marching orders and they come from Bud, more than Fred.

Bud just turned a blind eye last week as the Mets just added another $140 million dollars of debt to the $400 million already on the books. They already are in serious violation of MLB’s debt threshold and have been so for well over 15 months.

Fred and Jeff Wilpon have been on a gag order since last January and that’s why you haven’t seen the usual end of a bad season apology letter to fans, and no dog and pony show interviews with Mike Francesa or Kevin Burkhardt waving their fingers and telling Mets fans things will be better next season.

I know I’m going against the grain compared to other Mets bloggers lately, but I’m convinced the facts will bear me out.

I’ll be talking to Sandy Alderson on Thursday evening during a conference call with him, and I plan to ask him about what the real game plan is this offseason. I’m only allowed one question, but I always make them count. I’m relying on the hope that the others on the call will stay away from asking about blue walls, banner day parades, and $500 dollar fan bricks. I’ll be tweeting the details of the call live so follow me on Twitter @metsmerized.

The Mets need to find some middle ground.

And I think if sandy wanted to, he could have went out and spent , let’s say an extra 5-10M to improve the team…..and by doing that, the Mets could have stayed in contention longer and fans would have brought more tickets – So if they would have spent a little bit more, it might have evened out in the long run anyway.

So, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say the Mets could have spent an extra 5-10M last year. If he wanted to, he could have done it.

And I don’t think I made it clear what my point was about ” Omar bringing in somebody good” . I meant that every offseason he always spent a lot of money – I don’t think I made that clear.

I say that because I remember his last offseason here everyone said the same thing: “the Mets have no money”….and guess what? He signed Jason Bay that year.

I believe that if Alderson wanted to spend some money last year, he could have. Just like Omar did.