8
2011
Phillies About To Go All Omar Minaya On Ryan Madson
An article by Craig Lerner
Last night it was reported that the Phillies were said to be “making a strong push” to re-sign their closer Ryan Madson who is now a free agent.
Jon Heyman of SI.com is now reporting that the two sides are closing in on a new contract, “they’re in serious discussions and it’s hard to imagine it not getting done soon.”
A few minutes ago, Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports confirmed the two sides are yucking it up, but also shared financials saying that they are discussing a deal worth $44MM over four years plus a fifth-year option for $13MM.
The total value of that deal at $57MM actually surpasses the deal the Mets gave K-Rod even if you threw in that $17MM vesting option.
Other similarities are that like K-Rod in his last free agent year, Madson has had lower velocity and his K/9, K/BB, H/9 and BB/9 are all worse than the season before.
You know what? Right now I’d probably take K-Rod, who is TWO YEARS YOUNGER, over Ryan Madson.
You can probably get Rodriguez on a two-year, $10 million dollar deal, and when you compare their numbers, there’s not that much difference.
Thoughts?
About the Author: Craig Lerner
I'm a data analyst and researcher for a leading news agency who loves life and is hooked on the Mets. I love following the Amateur Draft and have a particular fondness for the Mets Minor Leagues who I follow each day. Give me a cold beer, a summer day, and a Mets game, and I'm good to go.
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Keep making these type of signings, Amaro. Here’s hoping it’s Rollins next on some 5 year/mega dollar deal.
I don’t see there’s anyway KRod takes 2 years for 10 MIL. Or is that 10 MIL per year?
Either way, just don’t see him settling for a 2 year deal at his age.
Don’t worry about they money they spend. I know you are concerned about discussing money more than winning ballgames.
You’re a Mets fan you shouldn’t be judging Ruben Amaro and what he does. PERIOD.
You’re just one of the new cheapskates that think saving money is the way to go instead of spending whatever budget you have on trying to win ballgames. And it looks like our miser of a GM had done a LOUSY job with all of his statistical data, statistical analysis.
I mean isn’t all that statistical analysis supposed to compensate for a small budget and get us good ballplayers to help us win games? Or is it the Omar’s fault now? Or the Wilpon’s fault.
Glad you enjoyed Omar MInaya’s teams while they were competing for titles and fighting for playoff spots because that headline sure sounds like a big SECOND GUESS to me.
Yes, lets not worry about money. I say we call Reyes tomorrow and offer him a 10 year, $300 million dollar contract.
While we’re at it, lets sign Beltran at 4/$80 and K-Rod at 5/$100.
Then lets go win the World Series.
See now you’re just being a stupid ass..again. Nobody here has suggested such things.
You suggest it a thousand times a day. You say spend, spend, spend, cheap, cheap, cheap. That’s all you talk about. You go after everyone that posts an opinion and call them cheapskates. You want everyone to live in a vacuum like you do and pretend money is just a means to an end.
i guess you conveniently skip over the parts where i’ve said a million times on this web site and twitter. As a matter of fact debating the very issue today with Matt Cerrone that it’s about spending SMART and trying to get the best baseball players and trying to compete with whatever budget is alotted to you.
I know i’m not the only one here that is getting sick and tired of constantly having to repeat myself to these saber goons. You know what i’ve said here in the past so don’t try and shove that garbage down everybody’s throats here.
Face it, your boy Alderson was supposed to be this smart statistical genius who was supposed to get us the best players possible with as little money as possible because of his reliance on statitical analysis. Well it’s NOT WORKING and he’s doing a TERRIBLE JOB so far.
Last season he hat $12.5MM to spend on 17 players. I challenge you to give me a list of 17 better players without going over the $12.5MM limit. You know what I’ll be a nice guy and throw a half million into your budget. Spend $13MM.
I’ll wait for your list.
oh this again!!!
We’ve had that list of players on this site ad nauseum so keep waiting. Yes there were other players out there available within the same financial constraints.
Again we have to repeat ourselves for a saber goon so keep waiting.
Now here comes the obligatory sarcastic response “because there is no list”
LOL and you’ve got to be kidding me.
You got all this crap out of my comment on the Madson signing?
Just stop reading between the lines because it’s so obvious you’re not very good at it.
I giggled.
1 mention of money (regardless of the team or whatever contract, bad or good, they may offer) and it’s the HOV lane right to moneyball chatter and Sandy sucks.
I agree, I’m glad if Amaro hands out deals like that to Madson and Rollins. The way I see it that helps us in a couple of years. I dont think anyone will give Krod $10 mil a year though. I see him getting between $6-8 a year.
Sure maybe it helps us in a couple years while the Mets sit back and wait and the Phillies will be in contention those “couple of years” and maybe winning 2 world titles in those “couple of years”
Meanwhile the Mets are laying around being CHEAP, and Alderson is not doing a smart job at all of evaluating talent. More like laying down and letting other teams walk all over us while waiting for those couple of years.
But hey, the future is guaranteed right? By the time all is said and done there’s a chance Alderson leaves the team and hands it over to Google Boy and will never have achieved .500. But let’s make fun of Omar…yeah okay.
ANYONE BELIEVING A BARGAIN CAN BE HAD W/K-ROD MISSED HIS SIGNING WITH BORAS, WHO’S MADE A CAREER OUT OF “NO BARGAINS”
LOOK FOR A K-ROD DEMAND STARTING @ 3/45M.
ON A RELATED TOPIC,DOES ANYONE HERE REALIZE THE ABSOLUTE HANDICAP NY TEAMS FACE SIGNING F/A IN A COMPETITIVE SITUATION AS THE COMBINED NYC/NYS INCOME TAX RATE EXCEEDS 13% WITH THE NEXT CLOSEST BEING CALIFORNIA’S 9.3%, NOW FIGURE IN FLORIDA & TEXAS AS 2 OF THE MLB STATES WITH ZERO LOCAL INCOME TAXES. DESPITE WARREN BUFFET’S CRACK SMOKING CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY THE MLB MINIMUM WAGE(WAS 417K IN OLD CBA) PLACES EVERY MLB PLAYER IN THE HIGHEST TAX BRACKET IN BOTH FED & LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. FEDERALLY SPEAKING ANY MLB PLAYER LIVING IN THE US IS FEDERALLY LIABLE FOR $102,574.00+ 35% OF ANY INCOME IN EXCESS OF 379,150.00 ADD TO THAT NEARLY 14%(.1395) IN LOCAL INCOME TAXES(NYC,NYS) AND IT AL TRANSLATES INTO THE FISH CAN CAUSE REYES TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RELOCATING AS MOSTLY COST EFFECTIVE UNLESS WE OVER-BID THEM CONSIDERABNLY OR AGREE TO PAY THE TAXES FOR HIM AS WE OFFERRED TO DELGADO IN ’05. WHILE, ACCORDING TO THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION IT’S NEVER TOO ONEROUS A TAX BURDEN ON THE MILLIONAIRES THE TRUTH OF IT ALL IS, ON IDENTICAL 22M/Y CONTRACTS THE TAX BILL ACCOMPANYING CITIFIELD COMES TO AN EXORBITANT $6,521,831.80 COMPARED TO THE MIAMI STADIUM TAXES DUE OF 4,212,484.00(FED ONLY) AN ANNUAL TAX DIFFERENTIAL OF 2,309,347.80 OR 11,546,749 OVER A 5Y CONTRACT PERIOD. THAT’S ONE HELL OF A DIFFERENCE TO A PLAYER. CONSIDER THIS ENTIRE HANDICAP TO MET & YANKEE PLAYERS AS COMPARED TO WORKING IN THE OTHER EAST DIV CITIES SUCH AS PJL,ATL,BOS,BALT,MIA,TB,DC…
NYC 13.95%
PHL 3.07%
ATL 6.00%
BOS 5.30%
NAL 4.75%
MIA,TB 0.00%
DC 8.50%
IS THERE ANY QUESTION AS TO WHY NY TEAMS ARE REQUIRED TO BID HIGHER JUST TO STAY EVEN WITH THE COMPETITIVE OFFER? I’VE DELIBERATELY & COWARDLY CHOSE TO IGNORE THE TORONTO IMPLICATIONS AS FAR TOO COMPLEX FOR A CITY OF SO LITTLE COMPETITIVE RELEVANCE ESP IN THE NL.
I’m thinking the Mets resign KRod.
Two completely different set of circumstances. Amaro is presiding over a win-now team while Alderson is trying to rebuild. At least that’s what I think he’s doing. Time will tell.
If The Phillies win another world series in the next two years, all these so-called bad deals would have all been worth it no matter if the players suck in the final year of their deals.
I hope that when it is our time, Alderson will be as aggressive as the Phillies GM if we ever start being contenders again.
IMO, Alderson won’t be here long enough. I truly believe he was brought in for a few years to tread water while the Wilpons try and dig themselves out of the financial mess Sterling Mets are in.
When/if they do that – Anderson will be dusting his hands off and turning over the reigns to his heir apparent.
That’s the smartest comment I’ve read all day on this site.
I agree Srt…
Sandy is the big bad wolf here to gut the team and take the heat until he’s done slashing and then will get fired to deflect blame from the Wilpons!
Sandy isn’t rebuilding a thing!
Whoever follows him will be doing the building!
And once Selig retires in 2012, Wilpons are in trouble…
I agree as always MF.
and it was not just bringing in someone to cut payroll. Omar or Ricco could have done that.
The bigger mission was to rebuilding the organization top to bottom (structure and practices, not just prospect talent), so that when (OK< if) the finances stabilized and they could afford to spend again, there would be something worth spending on (and ideally some younger guys to build around).
…but in the meantime you COMPETE and therein lies the problem. You DO NOT just sit back and wait for finances to be stabilized. Wait for what? What for what? That MAYBE there’s a chance a couple of kids make it? Or do they become the next Bill Pulispher and Alex Ochoa?
Wait for what?
And why isn’t there something worth spending on now? It doesn’t have to be a lot but it can be a pitcher for 6-8 million right? And that depends on if they sign Reyes or not and how much.
But WAIT FOR WHAT?
That’s not how you compete and that’s not how you operate in the business competition.
Because you have to rebuild how the organization works all progress ceases on the major league roster? And in New York?
Sorry but that’s not how it should work around here.
Remember something about the Phillies and THIER Philosophy…
Numbers are just secondary to them.
Internal Makeup is VERY important to them!
Which would be right in line with their preferring Madson over K-Rod who tends to be a loner and moody.
K-Rod could definitly solve their Closer issues but I still think they would rather have the guy they know instead.
was it nessesary to take a shot a minaya in this article?!? when we criticize sandy for being cheap and we call his moves moneyball moves, but here comes this guy who’s a sandy lover and takes a shot a minaya because the phillies unlike the mets are spending>??? you should be ashamed of yourself…
phils definitely have their model down.
double down on guys they already have, and sign older (in BB terms) guys to long deals.
they might already have their first Santana (Howard), and Utley seems to be decaying too.
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Amaro feels that they need some veterans to help with the current roster.
Sure I want the Phillies to lose next year but Amaro is not going to sit still. He’s going to do what he thinks is BEST in order to WIN next season. I wish our GM would do that……..relatively speaking.
You’re just don’t believe in veterans and you’re obsessed with younger players and draft picks. You’re always gonna need veterans 30+ and even 40+ to win depending whatever your roster needs.
ANY, REGARDING PHILLIES’ MODEL, IT ALL BEGAN WITH EXTRA LONG DEVELOPMENT TIME FOR THEIR CORE HOMEGROWNS J-ROLL,UTLEY,HOWARD ALL WELL PREPARED IN MINORS PRIOR TO PROMOTIONS:
PLAYER DEBUT AGE
J-ROLL 22
HAMELS 23
UTLEY 25
HOWARD 25
FOR COMPARISON SAKE:
REYES 19
WRIGHT 22
NIESE 22
GEE 24
ONE OF THE ISSUES, I’VE ALWAYS FELT REYES HAD DIFFICULTY WITH IN HIS CXONSIDERATION/TREATMENT BY THE PRESS IS SIMPLY THE FACT THAT THE PRESS & FANS ALIKE, EXPECTED TOO MUCH, TOO YOUNG OUT OF HIM AS THIS WENT ON UNTIL LAST YR 7,8 YRS OF “DISAPPOINTMENT” & UNFULFILLED POTENTIAL AND “HE’S FAILED TO MEET UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS WAS ALLOWED TO GO BY SO LAST YR AS HE BECAME THE FRANCHIES’S FIRST BATTING TITLEIST IT WAS TREATED MORE LIKE “IT’S ABOUT TIME” NOT “HIP-HIP-HOORAY WHAT A FEAT”
JOSE HAD TO MATURE INTO ADULTHOOD,DEVELOP HIS PROFESSIONAL SKILLS ALL UNDER THE NY ELECTTRON MICROSCOPE ALONGSIDE THE MORE ADVANCED JETER WHO WAS ALREADY A 10YR VET WITH SUBSTANTIAL JEWELRY, WHEN REYES DEBUTED. NOW THERE’S A “FAIR” COMPARISON…