NY Times: Mets Could Go From Bad to Dreadful

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• Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado November 10, 2011 at 1:38 pm

  I’ve been saying this exact same thing…Phils and Braves aren’t going anywhere, and the Nats and Marlins are improving. Only one team in the NL East is getting weaker…The Mets. Considering that we have no idea what Santana will be, Dickey is a decent low-end #2 starter, and the other 3 pitchers are #5′s (at best for Pelf and Niese)…2012 (and probably 2013) are looking horrendous already.
• NJstuckinTX November 10, 2011 at 1:46 pm

  This is a complete rebuild folks. We all know it is. Whether Wright, Santana, Bay get shipped out this year or the next (which will probably happen when they raise their values a little), this team is going to be painful to follow. For me, I see the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel with the system having some nice blue chip pieces and guys like Gorski and even Duda popping up. I can’t be myopic and abandon ship just because this next years team is supposedly going to suck.

  The only way this gets better ASAP is if the Wilpons sell. And those types of sales can take up to a year to happen (at least). Sprinkle in SNY as a different entity to the Mets, it’ll be complicated for sure.
• alex68 November 10, 2011 at 1:48 pm

  “Sandy’s not afraid to say, If we’re not going to finish first, it doesn’t matter if we’re last.”

  memo to sandy, this is not 1990, has he ever heard of a wild card Team?? you know, kinda like the cardinals this year?? i mean, i’ve said this all along, and i was being ridicule in this site, NOW it appears that my prediction is not a fantasy anymore, is reality, the man is not even here on sports related issues, he’s here to shed $, save the wilpon some cash and collects his check. he doesn’t care about winning or how he’ll be view by mets fans, he’s not going nowhere fast and is a shame this franchse’s owner have put this team on this terms, but is reality, at this point other than wait to see what happens in 2014 what else can you hope for in years to come?? nothing, just pary and hope by then duda is a monster, ike davis and tejada do good, the kids develop good and go from there..
• Philleeze Phan November 10, 2011 at 1:48 pm

  Bad to dreadful in 2012. Dreadful to unwatchable in 2013. Kicked out of the NL East in 2014. heehee
  • alex68 November 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    LMAO, i must admit.. THAT was funny…
  • Russell Zanca November 10, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Hey Filthy Troll Be-Atch,

    Can’t wait till your crappy baseball team chokes like Mike Dick and the rest of the Seagulls.

    F-Off, please.
• alex68 November 10, 2011 at 2:01 pm

  and the as-s kissing continue in that other mets site, don’t tell them anything bad now about the mets, look at this crapfest:

  http://www.metsblog.com/2011/11/10/alderson-knows-what-he-is-doing/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+metsblogfeed+%28MetsBlog.com%29
  • Joe Diaz November 10, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Alex! I’m trying to figure out why you think Sandy is not trying to build a winning organization from top to bottom. Did you honestly think this guy was going to go out and work some major miracle and turn this team into a winner over night. I mean seriously look at the make up of this team,even with Reyes,go position by position and tell me you honestly see a team that can win a championship.

    Start with Catcher,Thole and whoever else they have,Nickeas/Paulino is not good catching tandem. 1B we have something there,still has something to prove but looks like a big time power hitter with a sweet glove. 2B,if Reyes is back we still have no idea if they think Tejada is the answer or Havens/Valdespin win the job outta ST .SS I still believe Reyes will be there and he’s top 3 at the position in all of MLB. 3B,this is a mystery because Wright has fell off a cliff defensively and can’t be counted on in a big spot.

    Now we get to the sore spot of the team regarding position players.LF,another mystery.This guy was a slugger and not just with Boston in Friendly Fenway,he was a damn good hitter in cavernous Pittsburgh as well.What will he be in 2012? CF, Pagan was the best player on the team in 2010 and regressed to a below average player and played as bad a CF as you could possibly play,RF, Duda looks like he’s going to be a solid thumper but he is not a rightfielder and if he’s the rightfielder along with Pagan in CF we’re going to lose games because of our OF defense,new dimensions and all this OF is horrible defensively.

    With Thole at catcher and Pagan in CF 2 of the 4 middle of the diamond defenders are weak and the SS-2B combo was the worst in the majors at turning a DP and defensive runs saved.Do I even need to go into our below average pitching staff? Or our worst bullpen in the NL? Hopefully the bullpen has all new faces at the very least for 2012.

    With that team can you honestly say when you consider the defense at key positions and poor pitching that we have a shot at a wild card.

    This team needs to be rebuilt and it’s going to take some time.If you believe Sandy is not trying to win then why would he have spent the most money on the draft in franchise history? What you and others are claiming is just not making sense to me.Is he going all out and trying to win now? No,definitely not and I think for the reasons I just showed you,the team is just not anywhere near a contender.Not even a wild card.

    I don’t think it’s going to take 4 or 5 years,more like 2 or 3 but in any event,things had to change around here and we finally have a front office with a plan and they’re sticking to it.
    • alex68 November 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm

      joediaz, i respect your opinion, but we have different views, this man inherited a team that wasn’t as bad to begin with and he made the team worst. all the moves he’s made, whether is to sign or trade players have been finnacially linked, only the beltran move can be considered a move towads the future, but we both know or at least you should know he’s here for financial issues, and is better to let the fans know than keep doing this horrible job as a gm he’s doing. because there’s one thing called reputation, and his reputation as a gm is at stake as well, i mean is he gonna go 10 straight years with a losing record as a GM?? i mean, that’s gotta be record breaking or something… come on joe, i know you like sandy, but open your eyes
      • NJstuckinTX November 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm

        If we only could separate out the financials… but you can’t. We all want the Mets to be Yankee-esque in their spending (Hell, we’re a NY team too, right?). But it isn’t like that.
• Joe Diaz November 11, 2011 at 8:50 am

  Alex it’s not so much that I like Sandy,I like the fact that he’s looking to build the kind of team that can go on a long run of success like the Braves,Yanks,Redsox,Phils and now you can add Texas to that group even though they haven’t won one yet,they’re set up where they can compete for a title over the next several years.

  I realize we both have different views and we judge the current Mets team differently.I have been pretty down on this team since they collapsed a 2nd straight year in 2008.That was rip your heart out,devastating endings 2 straight years which caused me to maybe over react a little but I wanted the team to be broken up after that,starting with trading the 2 most valuable commodities at that time,Wright and Reyes.

  We could’ve basically rebuilt the team with the returns from those 2 players alone.It wasn’t a gaurantee but I felt after a team folds like that 2 years in a row,something is missing and big changes needed to occur.

  Even though Omar went out and acquired 2 big time relievers,JJ and K-Rod,I still had in the back of my mind that the same group of players couldn’t get it done in crunch time.Obviously the entire team went down,even the back ups all went down and the season was lost in May when Delgado got hurt.

  After 2009 despite all the injuries I was still convinced the team needed to go in a different direction.The offense lost the most feared hitter and biggest presence in their lineup and the starting rotation was weak.What do they do.They sign Jason Bay and did not address the pitching except for 2 unproven Japanese pitchers and a low risk high reward signing in Dickey,who turned out to be a god send.

  After 2010 turned out to be another dreadful season,they had to make changes and they did with Omar and Jerry getting fired.

  The guy I was hoping would get the GM job first was Jon Daniels but he chose to stay and finish what he started in Texas instead of waiting to see if his favorite team would even interview him.My second choice was Terry Ryan but he didn’t want to leave the mid west so we got Alderson which I was happy about.

  Here’s we’re you and I have different views because I never thought for one minute that the 2011 roster was good enough to contend and that was before the season started and we got off to a 5-13 start with the entire lineup in tact.Knowing full well that Johan wouldn’t pitch at all since no other pitcher has fully recovered from that injury and his surgery was more severe than the guys who have made a comeback,even though those guys who came back have never been the same.(Maybe Wang will be the first).

  Knowing the payroll was going to be near 140 million before even adding another player and knowing the Wilpons have never had a payroll higher than 149 million I knew there was no way Alderson or any other GM that would’ve been hired was going to be a given any significant money to work with to improve the team and this team had many glaring holes going into 2011.

  We had no Johan.We had no idea if Beltran was going to play half as much as he wound up playing or how well he would play since he only played the last few games of ST.We didn’t know if Bay would rebound and he wound up playing even worse for most of the season.We had no clear cut 2nd baseman and I agree with you that Emaus was a disaster.Would Reyes rebound from a sub par 2010 and would he stay healthy.Would Ike build on his rookie season which he was looking like he was.Would Thole be a competent catcher.Would Wright be right.Would Pagan be as good as 2010.There were just too many ifs to expect this team to be a contender.

  Then you get to the pitching staff that was missing their ace.Which Pelfrey would we see,the 1st half of 2010 or the 2nd half Pelfrey.Would Dickey repeat his breakout year.Would Niese continue to develope.Would Young and Cappy stay healthy and who was going to get K-Rod the ball.Who was going to bridge the 6 innings from our starters to the 9th inning to get K-Rod a save chance.

  I know none of Sandy’s low risk high reward signings worked out but I don’t think there was anybody else that was going to be a difference maker with the little amount of money there was allocated to acquiring players that would make this 77 win team that they were to being a 90-91 win team and take the wildcard. Too many ifs all around for me to think otherwise.

  I hated seeing beltran traded but I thought it was the right move to make,getting a top pitching prospect for a guy we were only going to lose with no compensation.I was actually shocked that he pulled that off.That doesn’t mean Wheeler is going to be the next Roy Halladay but the potential is there.K-Rod was just an old fashioned salary dump.The Mets though getting out from that ludicrous option was worth it since half their 2012 payroll is already committed to 3 players,it doesn’t make sense to have a closer who’s not top echelon anymore making 17.5 million which would’ve had 4 players making 72.5 million for 4 players for 2012 with 110 million being the max for the year.

  You can make the argument that if Collins used him correctly that he wouldn’t have had to make that trade and the option doesn’t vest and we could’ve declined the 14 million and offered arbitration and netted 2 picks but Collins used him in so many senseless situations he had to be traded.

  It sucks being in the position we’re in but it is what it is.I still think we’re heading in the right dirrection and we have the right guy at the top making decisions.It’s just going to take some time.
  • alex68 November 11, 2011 at 9:17 am

    joe diaz, i like your optimism, and i wish i can say the same thing, but i disagree, sandy has done nor seem to wanna do any thing to help this team get better.. again, it is your way to look at things, but personally i don’t feel the same way. sandy is here to help the wilpons and bolt. someone else will do the heavy lifting after he leaves, and remember this, if all this kids don’t pan out as we have seen in teams like the royals and the pirates, we’ll have to over bid to get free agents to come here in order to compete again, making the chances of more bad contracts more likely, putting us in the same situation right back again. is not always about having faith in the kids in the minors, but having faith in a FA player being productive throughout the time here.. it is ok to make a mistake, a GM’s job is to make bolts desicion, whether is via trade or signing, if a GM doesn’t take risks will never succeed, espcially in a market soooo demanding like NY..
• Metsie November 11, 2011 at 9:27 am

  “Sandy’s not afraid to say, If we’re not going to finish first, it doesn’t matter if we’re last.”

  Well you know the next step in that type of thinking is right?

  If we are NOT going to finish first we should try to finish last because we get better picks if we do!

  It’s the same thinking that lets Reyes walk away for Comp Picks!
  Even when those picks might only get you someone out of the top 30 of the best amateurs in the draft!