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2011
Morning Grind: What The Hell Is Sandy Alderson Doing?
An article by 
I have always been very complimentary of Alderson, I was happy to see him hired as GM, I liked a few of his moves. Although, when it comes to how he has handled Jose Reyes, I can only say: What the hell are you doing?
In spring training, the Mets had an excellent opportunity to have Reyes for a reasonable price after a mediocre 2010 campaign, yet Alderson let that window pass. Once Reyes exploded into an MVP candidate, almost every GM was willing to give up their first-born child to acquire him, yet Alderson let the July 31st deadline go by. Instead of getting a potential haul of young, major-league ready talents, Alderson decided that he would try to re-sign the speedster this winter, and if not, there is always that first round pick in return right?
Wrong. Now here we are, Reyes is a free-agent, teams are apparently “Lining Up For Reyes” (shocking isn’t it?), and Alderson and the Mets have shown basically zero interest. With the Marlins sprinting out of the starting gate, not only are the Mets in danger of losing Reyes to a team in the division, but not getting any compensation except for a sandwich and a 2nd round pick. To think that the Mets could have gotten one of the top prospects in the game for a deadline trade, now face a very real possibility of only getting two draft picks not even in the first round.
Now it is at the point where Alderson needs to make a legit push for Reyes, and not a half-assed run. I mean telling his agent to see them when they are done shopping around? Are you kidding me?! He is your franchise player, if Alderson knew the chances of re-signing Reyes were slim and he was not even planning on making a strong push for him, why didn’t he get a deal together to at least get some kind of return on their all-star shortstop?
I really hope Alderson has some kind of plan on Jose Reyes, because if he walks, and the Mets don’t get anything in return, it could seriously cripple the franchise for years.
About the Author: Clayton Collier
Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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clayton,
the CORE salutes you for this article, i’ve been saying it all along, he messed up last year when imo he should’ve signed him, but he wanted to “evaluate” things and let that opp passed away, now, we’re facing the dilemma that reyes is a goner, it pains me to say it, but that bunt for hit was the last at bat reyes had as a met, is a real shame what the owners of this org have done with this team, MLB should step into this and see wth is going on, a team from the largest market not being able to afford their best player in franchise history… for those people who were defending alderson and claiming he’s doing a hell of job, and that he someone was an upgrade over minaya, APOLOGY ACCEPTED
If you remember he pulled his hamstring in July,killing any chance they had of trading him before the deadline.
Was that before or after the allstar break? I don’t remember.
Right before the ASB and he didn’t come back until about a week before the trade deadline. Anyone who tells you Alderson would have gotten value for Reyes is either uninformed of the facts or lying.
trade deadline was July 31st
Reyes got hurt July 2nd
Came back July 19th
12 days before the deadline!
Almost TWO weeks and closer to TWO weeks than you about a week!
But we all know your Facts are about as accurate as the Daily News Horoscopes are!
A week and change. Big whoop. You going to make a deal for a speedster who less than 2 weeks ago came back from a hamtring injury?
If so, I’d love to negotiate some more stuff with you.
Spin doctors ant work here. No one in a pennant race is trading for a SS just coming back off a hamstring injury 12 days before especially one who’s game is predicated on his legs.
Forget the fact that he hit about .250 and stole just one base in the 12 games back before the deadline.
Teams that would have been interested wouldn’t have given up anything for Reyes compared to what would equal the two draft choices if we don’t sign him and almost certainly would have precluded the chance of us signing him at all this off season.
It is a complete fallacy that offensively starved teams in contention and needing help at SS would have ponied up anything even remotely worth two high draft choices which is what the Met FO would have had to balance any trade proposal against (along with any additional loss of attendance)
Besides, who here wanted Reyes dealt at all?
Forget the fact that he hit about .250 and stole just one base in the 12 games back before the deadline”
AND STILL WON THE BATTING TITLE. funny ho yu mention how much he was hitting after coming back from injury. double standard, second guessing, i mean, it just doesn’t end with you!?
He didn’t win the batting title in July. Also, his second half performance is why certain people aren’t really over hyping the batting title.
Still won it… SUCK ON THAT!
In July?
Yeah basically he won it in July.He got red hot,built his BA up to 354 and missed 36 games.He had such a large cushion when he got hurt sitting on the sidelines injured there’s no way to lose anything of your avg that way.Unless you think he would’ve continued that torrid pace had he not gotten hurt.
What’s the difference if it was a week or two weeks,it still would’ve scared teams who were trying to add an impact player for the stretch run.It was moot anyway since Sandy decided in June that he was not trading him because he wanted him back.
Nothing but crap from the usual suspects. Alderson said right after the Beltran trade that he had no intentions of trading Reyes. He also said that in June when the buildup to the trade deadline began. Do your due diligence before twisting and firing blanks. You guys would lie about anything for your savior, even burying facts and truth with lies and distortion.
All these people who say they could have gotten a kings ransom for Reyes have no clue. How about we hear some names of who the Mets turned down. I’d love to know. There are no names because NO ONE was paying for a hurt SS they could bid on themselves at the end of the season
The Rays offerd a trade to the Mets for Reyes(before he got hurt), and the Mets turned them down.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/35392/mets-morning-briefing-9-25-11
“The Rays, armed with one of the best farm systems in baseball, were prepared to give up significant prospects to rent Reyes and then recoup draft picks upon his departure this coming winter. You wonder how that would’ve played out for both sides. Sure, the Mets would’ve faced a mutiny by their fans with a June trade, but we know now that Reyes’ sticking through the season hasn’t quite filled Citi Field in September. And their future would look brighter with those Tampa Bay imports, and of course they could’ve made a run to bring back Reyes. As for the Rays, would Reyes somehow have managed to stay healthy? Or would that pesky left hamstring have flared, blowing up what would’ve been a blockbuster deal for the American League East paupers?”
I noticed you didn’t actually link to Davidoff’s column. Here, let me help you.
http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JSESSIONID=98B064044A3D35B363EA.3124?site=newsday&view=mets_item&feed:a=newsday_5min&feed:c=mets&feed:i=1.3198155&nopaging=1
“That exchange occurred when Reyes was at his peak, prior to his two visits to the disabled list. ”
So, in June. You say they should have traded him in June?
Also, I noticed there were no names in the article. None at all. Maybe the Rays just made a low offer. if they really did make one.
I didn’t say the Mets should have traded him in June. Don’t put words in my mouth, Donal.
I was just showing that Clayton was right by saying that the Mets could have traded Jose, and gotten a lot back. And the article said the Rays were prepared to give up “significant prospects” for Reyes, so it doesn’t sound like a low offer.
Try reading next time, Donal.
Then why bring it up?
A lot back? NAMES. Tell me who. Also, look at everything else the Rays did in that period. Did any of it look like they were gearing up for a playoff run? Until August when the Sox started collapsing, the Rays seemed perfectly content playing for 3rd and letting their young guys get some reps.
“Significant prospects” sounds like “unnamed team sources” that told us Alderson was about to trade Reyes to the Giants.
Why is it so hard to believe that the Mets would have gotten a good return for Reyes, when at that time, he was healthy, and was playing great baseball?
And why is it so hard to believe that the Rays would want him, when they needed a SS, and when they weren’t far behind the Redsox’s(1.5 back at the end of June)?
Because the Rays simply weren’t going in that direction at the time.
What other acquisition did they make at the same time?
Why didn’t they promote Brandon Jennings until September?
What else did the Rays do that says they were really looking to add a player like Reyes? Because those things don’t happen in a vacuum.
“What else did the Rays do that says they were really looking to add a player like Reyes?”
Well, what other player available was like reyes? Nobody available would have given them the skills that Reyes had, and play at a position that they needed(SS).
So to say they didn’t want Reyes because they didn’t get anybody else like him is silly, because there was nobody else like Reyes available.
So, there was no one else that would have helped the Rays? At all? There no trades for offense this past season?
the pirates didn’t trade for a big bat like the Rays needed?
There was nobody available that would have helped them as much as Reyes would have.
the Rays probably didn’t trade for anyone else because they felt the other players available weren’t worth it giving up top prospects for.
I’ll tell you what the Rays did. They went out and dealt away a player at the peak of his buying power (Garza) and extracted TWO of the best prospects in baseball including a SS (Hak Ju Lee) and a starting pitcher (Cris Archer) as well as 3 prime age AAA type depth guys.
Tampa Bay dealt with their SS issue for 2013-2014 in 2011 and they were able to do so because they dealt with their starting pitching issues for 2011 beforehand as well.
It’s called foresight and is not dependent on whoever just so happens to be a free agent every year for 13 spots on the 40 man roster every single season.
Ummm, OK, but what does that have to do with this?
What it has to do with this is that you cannot expect to fix issues on your team at the moment they appear.
You have to address them beforehand or overpay or do without and even overpaying is no guarantee of being able to fill or upgrade a weakness.
You have to be able to plan ahead of time for future needs even to the point of subtracting off the Major League roster to provide solutions for future teams.
Ok, that’s nice, but we are talking about an article about the Rays making a trade offer to the Mets for Jose.
No, Vinny, other teams traded for player that provided the offense the Rays sought. Yet, the Rays made no moves for anyone, other than this very vague Reyes deal.
That is why I never care about these supposed trade rumors. They are hearing what you want to hear.
The Rays were simply calling to see if they could extend a little salary relief to the Wilpon’s and extract a player for the stretch run, pick up a couple of first round picks and fork over some useless AAA foder like say ugh Chris Carter.
Hey it worked once…..
Gary Cohen mentioned during a Met telecast that the Rays supposedly made an offer to the Mets for Reyes but no names of players coming back were ever released so it’s hard to say if it was anything significant or not.
He pulled it before the ASG, Came back a week after it and then was fine up until the deadline where he pulled it again in August!
He was on the field, but he wasn’t fine. He had 5 extra base hits in 69 PAs and was 2 for 3 in steal attempts. His batting average took a 98 point hit, his OBP went down 104 points and his slugging 189 points.
How were you going to sign Reyes to a “reasonable deal” right after Crawford got 7/140? Werth got 7/125?
The anti-Alderson crowd will point to Reyes to bash Alderson but that ignores the financial realities that Alderson walked into.
The absolute best time to have approached Reyes about a contract extension was in spring training 2010 when he would have TWO years to go before reaching free agency AND was coming off a season in which he played only 36 games.
He had already shown his hamstring was completely healed in off season workouts on Long Island and as long as the thyroid thing didn’t project to be a long term issue that would have been the ideal time to approach Reyes with a “reasonable deal” but as always the thinking at that time was all about THIS YEAR, and never future years and one last double down was made on Bay in yet another short sighted attempt to fill all our “holes” with other teams expensive former All Stars.
Failing to address Reyes in ST 2010 the next best time would have been mid season 2010 and we were above .500 at the trading deadline and with a year and a half to go before free agency Reyes certainly would have considered 5/90 to stay but by that time Minaya was on his way out, no one was making any long range decisions especially those that would cost substantial money cause there was none left.
If we do lose Reyes (and we almost certainly will) it will be because we didn’t “buy” him at his lowest and that’s because we were buying everyone else at their highest and that, combined with Madoff, the lawsuit, millions in losses on the team, millions owed to unproductive players, debt on the network and stadium and change in the FO all occurring at the same time caused the owners to simply not have the money to pay him at the RIGHT TIME.
Without Madoff AND the lawsuit, OR the loss of 50 M on the Mets in 2009, OR the 180-200M owed to Castillo, Perez, Santana, K-Rod, Beltran and Bay, Reyes gets approached in ST 2010, signs a “reasonable deal” and is here through 2016 or 2017 and beyond but with ALL of those things occurring at the same time he’s gone and while you can blame the economy, Madoff, Picard, Alderson, Minaya or anyone else you want to the biggest factor is the short sighted tunnel vision focus on only THIS YEAR constantly by every GM the Wilpon has ever hired since they became a full 50% partner.
If the Wilpon had ridden out the storm and gave Minaya the time and the non Major League budget to work with the off season discussions wouldn’t be about “who can we get” for 13 spots on the 40 man roster but who’s not going to make the team due to competition in spring training and none of those conversations would be about who’s going to be playing SS in 2012 or on into the future.
back and shoveling the same second guessing BS as always. Unbelievable. Go back into hibernation.
And right on que with yet another insightful baseball remark.
I’ll tell you it’s amazing how this guy never responds to what people write (unless it’s to respond to something they didn’t write) he just complains that wrote anything any at all. As if the website was created in order to only confirm one person’s opinion.
Unbelievable.
agge, your post are long as hell.. trimm’em down a bit.. my eyes get tired half way to the end.. jeez..
Too much reading for you? Between you not reading and the other one confused by Alderson’s big words and fancy book learnin’, no wonder this fan base is fodder for hack comedy writers.
donal, STHU
About the level of discourse I expect from you.
i did respond. I read it and you’re SECOND GUESSING as usual.
That’s all you do. So now Reyes SHOULD HAVE been signed back in the sprint of 2010 and another shot at Omar.
That’s all you do. I did read and I did respond – you are a SECOND GUESSING windbag
Well then your just 2nd guessing about Alderson not signing Reyes right after Crawford and Werth got those huge deals.
In the off season before 2010 I was against signing Bay for numerous reasons one of which being I wanted to get Reyes extended. He was going to be a big part of our future, Bay wasn’t. At best Bay could have been a good part of our present, before falling off but SS’s that can both fully defend their positions, run the bases and hit are a very rare commodity. LFer’s who can hit 25 HR’s, play average D and not clog up the bases are much, much easier to find.
They can even be found by combining two imperfect players into one effective platoon. You can even hide a guy in LF for the first 7 innings of most games if need be. One thing you can’t do is let guys who HAVE done the job in NY leave in their prime because you paid everyone else to come here after their prime.
It also would have saved us a 2nd round draft choice (where about 10-15% of the best prospects in baseball come from) thereby giving us a chance to fill (with a good player) a “hole” down the road.
I said it at the time and I’m saying it again right now. The money given to Bay should have been allocated for Reyes. Madoff and the lawsuit had already hit. Revenue fell WAY short of projections the year before and the team already had millions committed on into the future so it couldn’t possibly have been thought back in 2010 that we could pay Bay AND Reyes unless everything went perfect.
And I do mean EVERYTHING. Attendance, ratings, getting to the post season, Bay’s performance, Castillo and Perez’s performance, Beltran’s knee, Maine’s health, 1B coming through with Delgado recovering, Murphy playing well or Jacobs or Davis stepping up.
Somethings did work out. Ike, Dickey and Pagan but all the rest crapped out. The lawsuit was potentially WORSE than they could have imagined. Perez, Maine, Castillo and Bay as bad as they could have feared. Beltran out half the year and a shell of himself when he did get back and none of those things could have been totally unexpected.
The Wilpon used Bay as one last double down to try to right the team financially but with money suddenly in short supply that cash should have been used for one of our own who HAD already played well here and was reasonable to think would continue to, rather than bringing in yet another former All Star nearing the end of his shelf life especially when the environment he had thrived in was so completely the opposite of what he was walking into.
I said it then and I’m saying it now, but good job in avoiding discussing the points I made.
too long make it shorter. I don’t have time.
just make your damned point and give the reader a break
Do you get mad at the guy with the gun to your head forcing you to read the posts?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet another insightful baseball related post.
You are the Jason Bay of this website.
Jason Bay is a likable, mentally balanced human being. He’s just not good at baseball. No need to insult the man.
What do you expect from “Retart Randy” aka Bayonne.
blaming omar for not extending reyes in 2010 are you serious!?!?.. it was omar who got reyes at the cheap in 2006, why not give omar credit for that then huh?? typical post by you, they’re long, boring and the same second guessing continues..
The post wasn’t about signing Reyes in 2006, it was about signing him for 2012 and on into the future and since he did sign Reyes to a team friendly deal back in ’06 why not go ahead and pay him for his contribution to our team and keeping the most important everyday player in a Met uniform?
Everyone was aware back in 2010 that Reyes had that year and an option year left including the owners and GM. Why not tack the option onto the end of a 5 year deal and “lock up” one of our best players through out his prime?
Why spend all the money “locking up” other teams best players after their prime?
oh knock it off, so now everything SHOULD have been done in 2010..as you look back years later and realize
Stop your second guessing CRAP. That’s all you do around here. You’re not honest in the least bit.
and more of the same hate for any player over 29 from you. That’s because you have a fantasy imagination of a practically all homegrown team of all players 27 and under with a revolving door of major league ready prospects ready to move up to each level each time somebody is lost or moved.
All your posts are the same, second guessing something years later, blaming Omar, draft picks, and criticizing any player over 29.
you will NOT win ANYTHING without veterans in their 30s and if need be..in their 40s!
Just ask the Phillies. They just signed 2.
I’m not against signing the occasional free agent and I’m defintely not against trading for a Roy Halliday type ace. I’m also not against players over 30. I just don’t want to sign guys long term starting at 32 or later unless it happens to be a Halliday (or Johan) type ace.
What I am against is not having the farm to be able to make that type of trade and then having to rely solely on whoever is a free agent and I’m defintely against signing position players to long term deals that BEGIN at age 32 or later unless your extending one of your own players.
No where have I ever said or written anything about only wanting 21-29 year old’s here. That’s just a figment of your imagination and the only thing you can come up with to disagree with me about what I write. You cannot make a lucid argument against what I said so you attempt to change the discussion into something I didn’t say.
Very, very transparent.
But good job in avoiding discussing the points I did make.
Here’s it is:
September 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm
If they threw Hermedia in there who at 27 had a great year in AAA we could live him for a year in RF and see if he raises his value.
That would leave us with a potential everyday 2013 starting lineup of Grandell/Thole, Davis/Evans, Valdespin/Havens, Reyes/Tejada, Wright/Lutz (with Flores close), Duda/Evans, Pagan?/Kirk/Den Deker (with Puello possably in AAA) and Lagares/Hermedia in RF.
And my response at the time:
Bayonne Mets Fan says:
September 16, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Yeah let’s move Bay and Murphy for an unproven minor league catcher, pay for Bay and talk about the 2013 lineup. Right.
And i notice that 2013 lineup t agee posts has no free agents AND has practically a home grown (or major league debuted Met) player at EVERY SINGLE position.
Yeah right. Didn’t i say t agee’s fantasy is to have a home grown player at every position? There you go folks.
t agee – you are a FLAT OUT LIAR, and add that to being a second guesser too.
He also suggested moving a home grown player (Murphy).
And interesting that you are against moving Bay.
Still doesn’t address the fact that I advocated trading a young homegrown Met for another teams minor leaguer or the fact that I used the word POTENTIAL for the 25 man roster.
Instead of telling people what they think you should try reading what they write. Then you wouldn’t have to try to shift ever discussion into an argument about what you think they want or divert the conversation away from what they did write.
Besides having the OPTION of covering some/most or all of your future needs with players from the farm allows you to hunt quality from other places rather than quantity and enables you to deal from strength in negotiating trades something a monkey cannot understand.
But again good job in diverting the issue away from something you cannot verbally disagree with to something that you can, even if you have to make it up to do so.
BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was before the break.
Correct, he got hurt during the 2nd game of the Yankees series. Came back middle of the month against STL and then got hurt again early August and was out until the end of the month ish
AND STILL WON THE BATTING TITLE.. justsaying,,,,
Yeah but what we’re saying is in response to Clayton’s article that he got hurt which hurt any chances of trading him for any type of package.
he could’ve been traded around mid july as krod was as well, sandy had said by then he wasn’t gonna trade reyes. hindsight is always 20/20. again, alderson hurt his chances even more by not signing reyes to a deal last offseason, i’ve said it all along, since starting the season i knew somehow reyes not being extended was gonna be a problem
He could’ve been traded yes but he wouldn’t have brought back nearly as much as he would’ve had he not been hurt.Sandy did say that they’re not trading him and they want to keep him.
I had no problem with not extending him last offseason.He had a sub par year in 2010 and was hurt again.He said he wants to see how the year plays out before resigning him.Jose went out,had an awesome year and got hurt twice.
I think Sandy wants to sign him but he doesn’t want to give him a megabucks long term deal due to the fact the guy has been hurt 3 straight years.
I don’t but what you guys are saying that Sandy doesn’t want to win.Why would he go out and spend the largest amount on the draft in franchise history if he wasn’t trying to build a winner?
I sstill think when it’s all said and done,Reyes will be leading off next year on opening day.Unless he pulls a hammy in spring training.LMAO….
I don’t buy is what I meant,not but.
If he signs for 6+ years and over $100M, then I understand the Mets not making the deal. But if he signs for 4-5 yrs at <$100M, the Mets better be in on him. Especially if he signs with a team in the bottom half and we don't get a 1st rounder, that would be unacceptable.
Well Clayton I can explain it to you.
Sandy IS a smart guy, no one even his biggest detractors will say he’s dumb, Maybe as an adjective but they know he isn’t brain dead just his agenda/priority is against Winning and about money.
Sandy himself said we had a shot at the Wildcard at the deadline (Very recently he said this)!
He had already traded K-Rod and Beltran and the story in the paper was we were GIVING UP on the season!
If he had traded Reyes he would have been mauled in the press no matter what he got!
So he made the amount of moves he could get away with making and left the APPEARANCE that he was ready to sign Reyes at the end of the year.
That year has ended and the appearance is gone isn’t it?
He will make statements that try to suggest he will decide once the price is set but the decision has been made long ago.
Whatever Reyes gets as an offer will be just SLIGHTLY MORE than what Sandy will say he is comfortable with!
Thats his out!
He can claim he WANTED to keep him but the rest of the league put him out of range!
It’s called DUCK and COVER!
Duck making an offer and say you would have if the price was just slightly less!
Won’t matter what the number was!
18 Mil per year offered will turn into a 17 per mil limit for us.
5 year deal will turn into we were prepared to go 4 years not 5.
Etc…
Sandy wants the league to set Reyes’ price not Reyes!
Becuase if reyes sets the price he has no excuse to turn it down save can’t afford it which means Sandy played LOWER THE BAR for reyes to the rest of the league!
But if reyes gets a Number from the rest of the league Sandy can say he was willing to go as high as just under any offer and who can say otherwise?
Not hsi fault then that Reyes left it’s the league or Reyes for going for more money then!
Sandy knows full well how to play the game in NY under heavy press coverage!
And he is playing the reyes free agency in the way that best gives him an out without having to sign or make an offer someone can call INSULTING or TOO CHEAP!
He won’t make an offer because reyes might accept it and stay, Something he really doesn’t want he wants a 95 Mil payroll and can’t bargain shop with only 10 mil left!
The whole deal with Reyes is Sandy is trying not to let on that he has no intentions of Signing Reyes nor how much he would be willing to pay!
So when reyes gets his deal he can say I was close just not that close!
And no one can call him out on it when reyes leaves!
Public relations is key if he is going to cut salary and he can’t make it look like cutting salary is all his doing or he gets crucified in the press.
He’s already getting crucified in the blogs and the media will follow them in time because we are their target audience!
Good job Clayton. I guess all sabers and moneyballers aren’t as closed-minded and unobjective as the blowhards that comment here and on Unamazin Alderson Avenue. I give you a world of credit for keeping an open mind. Again, nice job here, and right on point.
Thanks Maniac:
I wouldn’t consider myself a “moneyballer” though, I would say I like certain aspects from it, but I do not think it is infallible. I walk the line on both sides of the argument, because there are definitely certain things from Moneyball I would not agree with. It is a nice school of thought but not something that is by any means fail-proof or perfect.
I will back you up on that Clayton…
You do like some aspects of Moneyball but you are not a religionist as some others are!
I have no issue with it provided it is used to save the money needed to buy the really good players you need to win championships!
If Oakland had used some of that money they saved to keep a few of the players they found with it they might not have failed and won a few WS titles.
But they stuck to it like a religion instead of a tool to be able to do what you need to do to win a WS.
Thank you Mestie
I mean the tactics of moneyball can replace maybe one large hole left, but you still need to have some kind of core talent. The A’s still had Tejada, the MVP, it is not like they had an entire offense of cast offs. I see it as a good way to cheaply build around your star players… But the key is you need your star players.
The Right tool for the Right job at the Right time!
But like trying to use a screwdriver to hammer in nails MAY work, it isn’t always the best tool!
Knowing when to use it and when not is what makes for Success!
IMO if we resign Reyes then they can Moneyball the fill ins all they want until the Kids come up to take over!
While I don’t think a Capuano or Young signing right now actually constitutes SPENDING SMART I can’t really complain if they used the money on Reyes had to get lesser Pitching for a year until Harvey and Familia are ready!
I’m not asking them to rebuild and get to the WS in a year just asking them not to tear it all down in a year so it now takes 4 years even if we had all the money in the world to spend on building!
Right. The Mets have the two guys to build around in Wright and hopefully still Reyes, then the young developing talents like Ike Davis, Lucas Duda and Ruben Tejada. They have a pretty good central group of bats.
Then you have Niese, Gee, and Dickey and a wildcard out of Santana and Pelfrey. Once Harvey, Wheeler, Mejia, Familia, Fulmer, Gorski etc. come through, you are looking at a pretty decent team.
So blowing them up is not the correct way to go. Hopefully Alderson will see that.
I don’t think he’s trying to gut the team Clayton.Maybe he moves a David Wright in order to get back some pieces to fill 2 or 3 holes.He’s still a name that GM’s are intrigued by so he would be the sacrificial lamb that has the value to get something back.
I don’t think Wright has any significant trade value right now. His injury coupled with his recent decline, plus the one expensive year he has on his deal is a red flag. If I was a rival GM, I wouldn’t touch him. At least not for any of my blue-chippers.
Best case if trading him is the way to go is hope he comes out strong and get something for him at the deadline, or if he has a great season and doesn’t want to extend, pick up his option and then try and trade him.
I still think he does Ex.Of course not the same as he had one year ago but there are GM’s that will force feed themselves the idea that Wright played hurt all year and just needs a change of scenery.We may not get the haul we could’ve gotten after 2008 when I wanted the team gutted after the 2nd collapse,using both Wright and Reyes to bring back a kings ransom.
Joe, I just don’t think equal value in his return is out there, and his talent isn’t the reason. Sure, maybe a change of scenery could do him some good. For that matter, maybe he’s healthy now and blow up for the Mets this season. It’s his salary for one season that will scare teams off. If some team can offer up enough for the Mets to allow a 72-hour window for an extension, then I can see it. But I don’t think any GM is going to give up any can’t misses for one expensive season for a guy in a decline recovering from a broken back. It just doesn’t add up.
I also never expected to get back anything of significance for Beltran who was a rental.I actually suggested when the talk of the Rox being interested in Wright that if we gave them a 72 hour window then we might be able to do something with them.Rosario and Arenado for Wright.Supposedly the Rox would love to sandwich Cargo in between Tulo and Wright.He came off the DL with his ass on fire,I doubt the injury is of any concern.He even looked like Wright 2008 BC.Before Citifield.Equal value? No but he can still bring back 2 pretty good players if they gave them a window to sign an extension.
Very good post Metsie!I know you think otherwise but I think that is what the plan is.Sign Reyes and fill in the blanks with the same type of signings as last year(hopefully better ones)until the Harvey,Familia and Wheeler’s of the world are ready to join Niese and maybe Matt Cain.And guys like Gorski,McHugh,Stinson and Goeddel fill out the pen.
Well Joe I have a hard time believing reyes is in any of their plans.
They want a bargain and Reyes is not going to be a bargain!
By the time year 4 or 5 his Salary will seem like a bargain after 4 years of other lesser players raising the bar on Pay per performance if he maintains but he is not going for bargain rates this year!
Sandy doesn’t think he is going to get him which is why any potential trades for Wright are on hold.
He can’t possibly let both go in the same offseason!
It would be the end of him in the press!
I guess all sabers and moneyballers aren’t as closed-minded and unobjective as the blowhards that comment here and on Unamazin Alderson Avenue.
I feel like the irony is lost on you.
To be completely honest with all of you, I like Jose and have enjoyed having him on this team for the past 8 years, but I would not re-sign him to a multi-year deal, and this is why…
Is Jose Reyes an elite all-star starting short-stop who recently won the batting title; Yes. Is he a dynamic lead-off type of hitter who causes havic on the base paths and eats up bases when he hits a ball into the alley; Yes. Does he provide energy and fun to the clubhouse and dug out and gives 100% when he is on the field; Yes.
But is he worth 4-5 years and $100M +; NO.
Jose not only plays in the most physically demanding position on the field, other than catcher (IMO), but he is also quite injury prone, especially in the legs (the part of the body he uses the most). Not to mention, a signing like this would really contradict the direction the team is trying to move in, that is rebuilding.
Clearly there are more pressing needs to be filled on this roster, other than throwing $100M towards the shortstop position. With needs at starting rotation, closer, bullpen, right field, catcher, bench, and possibly center field; can the Mets really afford to dump all their free money into Jose.
If the past few years indicate anything to the front office, having Jose on the roster in leu of starting pitching, a closer, and good relief, does not result in playoff baseball.
Also, there are several viable future options for shortstop in the Mets farm system, where signing Reyes long term would only provide a roadblock for these prospects to get into the majors.
We need to put aside our personal feelings for this player as well as our never-ending desire to win yesterday, and focus on what makes sense for the upcoming season, as well as the future seasons of the club. Granting a big contract to a (Superstar) right now does not make sense when we have far too many holes in the roster as it is.
Great points but I’m not sure if I agree we have any viable options at SS down on the farm.Neither Phil Evans or Danny Muno project as MLB shortstops,most likely both 2nd baseman,Muno more of a utility role.Tejada is the only SS option in the organizaton right now and that’s a huge dropoff from Reyes.Everything else you said makes sense though.With or without Reyes we’re not winning jack shit in 2012.
What no one here seems to understand is that Jose’ is not coming back because the Powers here do not want him. He is now a Monayball candidate for some other GM to pick up. Jose’ is being sent out of town on a rail like a convicted felon. The future of this team is very dire. Jose’ will be a sacrificial lamb to the money gods that run the Mets. All for the good of the owners’ bottom line but nothing for the success of the team.
I am (and always have been) a very optimistic Met fan. I’ve always tried to cheer with my heart, but think with my brain. I never tried to over react to any moves (or non-moves) and always tried to have the attitude that there is always more gong on that what we as fans see. I’ve always tried to be positive no matter what happens.
I’ve been saying going back to 09, the the Mets might have to sit tight and reload and make a strong push to compete in 2011-20012.
Now I’m struggling to find the positive in the direction of this team.
Last year sandy came in and did nothing.
OK, he didn’t extend Reyes then, but Reyes was coming off two injury filled seasons (that I do blame on the Mets) so maybe better to wait to see if he’s any good.
He signed cheep bargain deals to Cappy and Young, OK, we got two waste of contracts that need to come off the books and our Ace wasn’t going to pitch until the All Star Break at best.
He did dump Perez and Castillo, it was very surprising and a great boast to the team and fans moral.
So far I’m OK with everything so far. Sure, he didn’t do anything to improve the team, but he’s gotta get some money to work with and has gotta see what this team is before making improvements.
Now, comes the All Star Break, after a horrible start to the season…the team is above .500 and in the WC race, or at least on the fringe of it. Then Sandy traded K-Rod. I said at that point that the season was done. The Bull Pen wasn’t great at that point, but it was doing it’s job. K-Rod was closing, Izzy was doing a good job in the 8th and Bobby and Pedro and crew were doing a good (if inconsistent) job in the earlier innings.
But I knew that if we traded K-Rod, the whole pen would collapse. It was the same thing we saw in 07 when Wags went down and cost us the season. You can’t take out a major corner stone of the pen and not have it fall apart.
But it was OK right? because K-Rod had that horrible option. Expect it wasn’t that horrible when you look at the total contract as a whole. The last year of the deal was backloaded with money, but it was biased on how K-Rod performed. Anyways, we got out of that option because we didn’t want to spend money, but K-Rod was willing to work a new deal that would have saved money this year and keep a very good closer on the team. But Sandy had to react fast because K-Rods agent dropped the ball. But now we have to closer and are shopping the scrap head for a 35+ year old closer with injury problems.
Then we traded Beltran. OK, the season was done by then and we got a decent return for him.
Now the season is over. Now is the time to get some real work down. Sandy was a bunch of money coming off the books so he has cash to spend and he’ll be “smart” enough to invest it wisely. But that’s not happening is it? Instead we are once again shopping the scratch and dent bin at Walmart. We are keeping the same disappointing players on the roster. We are not even making a good pubic face about letting Reyes go. We are shopping, or not shopping, but wait we are shopping Wright…or maybe not…who knows.
You want to let the market set the price for Reyes before you bid, OK I buy that, but why all the “leaks” of the Mets don’t like him. Why no public love of even any real contact with Reyes or his agent? It all seems like it’s a set up for the “Jose got too much money from anther team…Yada yada yada” press release we are going to get.
But we are being told that we can’t compete because Santana. Wright and Bay make too much money and then money coming off the books isn’t going into signing or resigning players to make the team better…it’s just not going anywhere. We have to sit with a sub $100mil payroll with the same bunch players that lost 90 games last year. Maybe in two or thee years we will have 20 guys making $.5mil that might get us to the playoffs once Philly gets old… hopefully the Braves, Marlins and Nats don’t improve until then…(it’s not like any of these teams have making moves to get better, oh wait…they are!)
I really hope I’m wrong…I hope that the Mets swoop in and to Reyes and sign him him…I hope that Sandy is really smarter than the rest us and he’s using the media to promote the “we are poor” then sign who ever we need when nobody is expecting us. I really hope I’m wrong, but i just don’t feel good about the direction Sandy is taking us.
brewers reportedly, going hard after reyes now… good bye reyes.
They don’t have money for Fielder, do you really think they can get Reyes?
precisely. Fielder is much more a game changer and he’s “home grown” which automatically makes egregious contracts OK.
CLAYTON, i believe they’ll be in the hunt, but at the end of the day, as much as it pains me to see him leaves, he’ll end up in MIAMI and sand will get his 2nd draft pick
My original guess was the LA Angels, but the Marlins seem dead set on Reyes. I am just hoping the Miami signs Fielder or someone else to use up that $20 mil instead.
Sure they do reyes is going to cost half what Fielder does!
Fielder can play 1B a lot longer than Reyes can play SS, and Reyes is being paid as a SS. And Fielder hasn’t played less than 157 games in a season since he was brought up in 2005.
Yeah you have charts to prove any of that?
Did you know that there is a leadoff hitter in the hall of fame who played less games per season on average and played till age 44?
No you wouldn’t you were a zygote during his heyday!
No idea how this ended up under that other post
Alderson reportedly reached a deal with the Giants when they were in NY. The Yankees reportedly trade for Lee from Cleveland, then from Seattle and finally, they reportedly had him signed last offseason.
Baseless, anonymous reports are reportedly worth a damn
Plain and simple is a very bad gm. No way around it. There’s a reason why no team wanted to hire him over a decade and he needed Bud Selig to help him get a job
Alderson reportedly reached a deal with the Giants when they were in NY. The Yankees reportedly trade for Lee from Cleveland, then from Seattle and finally, they reportedly had him signed last offseason.
Baseless, anonymous reports are reportedly worth a damn.
whoops, wrong post
Except for that whole World series thing.
And how do you know no one wanted him? He was CEO of the As and Padres and had positions in MBLs front office.
From reports, Selig did the Mets a favor by sending him, because no one was drooling for this job.
Pat Gillick isn’t a GM anymore either. He must suck too. And Gene Michael. And Bob Watson.
Bud got him a job, if you want to call it that, to straighten out the Wilpons.
to make matter worst for sandy’s moneyballin mentality:
” The Brewers would have to give the Mets the 28th overall pick in next year’s draft to sign Reyes, while the Marlins would only have to surrender a second-round pick”
yikes… not only the marlins will have imo the best lineup in the game, but they’ll keep their #1 draft pick and make sandy alderson’s tenure as a met even WORST. as of right now imo, sandy is the WORST GM this franchise has ever had.. and i’m including duquette in there as well…
And Cashen. Can’t forget the jerk who gave away Mazzili for a couple of kids.
Hey, what about Bob Melvin? Wans’t he the guy the usual suspects were all praising for what they think he said?
Are they all turning on him now for seemingly letting Fielder go?
Don’t forget John Mozeliak. Francessa hasn’t reported that he made an offer to Pujols yet, so he must be a moneyballin sabergoon.
LMFAO!!! X you’re killin me!
Don’t worry the next generation of Zito’s, Lackey’s, Figgins, Silva’s, Soriano’s, Werth’s, Bay’s, Lowe’s and Perez’s will soon be contacted by their monkeyball loving front offices.
The agents are all away on holiday just rubbing their hands in glee as they expect high bidding by the desperate and delusional.
Good times, good times.
Yep because the next generation of Buchholz, Boyer, Capuano, Carrasco, Hairston, Harris, Paulino and Young will all be signed and wearing Met Unis so they will have to go after those other guys!
Which one is signing the monkey’s again?
Which one is ACTUALLY spending wisely?
That’s just me ruining baseball again. Can’t take me anywhere.
Hey d-bag, the Brewers actually ARE a low-market team. Are you really this stupid??? Plus you have allt the other lame-brains cheering you on like a geek orgy. SMFH!!!
It’s comments like this – the immature name calling BS – which is making this once very good site a laughingstock across many other Met blogs.
You guys have gained a reputation for yourselves – and it’s not all good.
srt you mean like these:
XtreemIcon says:
November 8, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Wrong. The Brewers are pretty much right in the middle. Are you really this stupid??? Plus you have all the lame-brains cheering you on like a traditional orgy.
or like this:
Joe Diaz says:
November 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm
What do you expect from “Retart Randy” aka Bayonne.
Or it depends what side you’re on?
LoL….I was responding word for word what that guy had said to Donal to show how stupid and immature it was. Even when you try and twist words, you don’t do a good job of it.
i don’t twist words pal. YOU twist words. You didn’t have to say it – my point to srt is BOTH sides are guilty.
I’ll add you’re a proven liar too. I may guess wrong on talent but I don’t lie. YOU lie and you make things up and you’re ALWAYS accusing people of lying and making things up so that tells me that you must do it.
Come on…guilty ones know who they are.
I’m all for any kind of debate among fans but don’t see why it has to resort to ‘yo mama’ type of crap.
Oh and SIGN REYES.
You may want to add the name calling barrage you go on towards me on a daily basis and stop acting like your the victim here.The first time I ever made a disparaging remark towards you was in retaliation to what you called me.I get along with just about everyone on this site except you.When you disagree you never do it respectfully.There’s always a nasty name calling barrage spewed by you with whomever has a difference of opinion with you.
Your buddy Vinny and I disagree all the time but you don’t see either of us disrespecting each other.That’s your problem,you can’t have a debate without acting like a jerkoff.You gotta give respect to get respect.You wanna talk baseball and baseball only then fine but don’t think I’m gonna sit back and take any shit from you or anyone else.Grow up Bayonne.
Wrong. The Brewers are pretty much right in the middle. Are you really this stupid??? Plus you have all the lame-brains cheering you on like a traditional orgy. HJDFJH!!!
See, it works both ways. Except my facts are right. Yours are wrong, either due to knowingly lying or simple ignorance.
YOURE WRONG!
Comparing a New York market to Wisconsin??? Really?
OMG, now I’ve heard everything. The ignorance being posted on these threads by these Moneyballers is beyond absurdity.
So the moneyballers want the Mets to run like the Orioles, Brewers, Astros and Athletics?
http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/baseball/mlb/salaries/team
They want the Mets to operate like the teams in the lower half of the payroll scale? A New York franchise? Might as well take the skyline out of our logo, huh Donal and Xtreeeem?
Who compared what to what? More lies. The Brewers have a middle-ground payroll. Not a low-market payroll. The link you provided proves it. Get your story straight.
Are you this dense in real life?
This thread here started with this comment from Donal.
Hey, what about Bob Melvin? Wans’t he the guy the usual suspects were all praising for what they think he said? Are they all turning on him now for seemingly letting Fielder go?
My response was mocking him for not understanding that the Brewers payroll limitations have more to do with that than anything else.
Don’t you see or know that?
My second point was that it’s unfair to compare Brewers payroll concerns with a large market team like the Mets.
I really don’t understand how people like you are allowed to post when it’s so difficult to grasp points.
This fantasy baseball stuff is going too far because it’s affected your reality.
“My response was mocking him for not understanding that the Brewers payroll limitations have more to do with that than anything else.” — Except the Brewers are one team in the Reyes mix, so they must not be TOO handcuffed right?
I was told to ignore you and you would ignore me. Why are you starting shit up again?
Twisting as usual, only a FOOL like you would compare the $100 million Reyes wants with the $200 million Fielder wants.
Leave me the eff alone, I dont wish to communicate with rats.
Metsie,do you think Fielder will get 200 mllion? He may want that but I don’t see him getting more than the 7 years and 154 million that A-Gon got with Boston.Yanks,Redsox and Phillies all have very expensive 1st baseman so they’re out.I think the Cubbies will ink him for around Gonzo money.
Who knows?
A lot depends on what happenes with Pujols.
If St Louis and him come to some agreement then Fielder will have a field day!
And while your correct a lot of the big money players will not be in the bidding you have a lot of teams who have FAITH enough in their youth to buy big around them.
They can afford to give Fielder that kind of manoy and still not break 100 Mil a year in payroll!
There are three big players in FA and NO real pitchers other than CJ Wilson who is not the same kind of pitcher as a lee is.
Choices are limited to Two 1Bs and a SS!
If one 1B goes off the board (likely Pujols) the sky is the Limit on Fielder.
And whoever doesn’t get Fielder could go after Reyes!
You can backtrack all you want, and try to twist words after the fact. “Brewers actually ARE a low-market team.” No, they’re not. Very simple.
“So the moneyballers want the Mets to run like the Orioles, Brewers, Astros and Athletics?”
Would it be so bad to be run like the Brewers currently are? With the winning the division and all.
Maniac, can you talk like a grown up? It would help a lot.
I don’t know Maniac very well but it seems like he always has his balls twisted.
Clayton, you gotta relax, buddy. This is the way it works in MLB. The Winter Meetings really kick off the signing period for the top FAs. Sure your Henry Blancos and bit-player backups can sign whenever, but the top guys don’t see an offer from anyone till the meetings at the earliest. It’s the way it’s always gone. I know we’re Met fans, so the only thing that matters is what the Mets do, but step back for a second and look for any offers made to Fielder. Or Pujols. Or Rollins. Or K-Rod. Or Oswalt. Or Wilson. Or Reyes from other teams, even. No offers made to any of those guys, except maybe a secret one to Reyes from the Marlins. Not from their own team during the exclusivity period or otherwise. It just doesn’t work that way.
So wait a while to see what happens. There’s nothing wrong with not having the 2012 roster completely set by now.
Half the freakin fanbase has lost their minds.You would think Reyes was already gone by reading these comments.Alderson and company are probably reading them and laughing their cojones off.
What cojones? You must mean laughing their chochas off.
AHHHHH… spanish tug war.. i truly don’t get the lovefest for alderson, i really don’t.. i thought sabergoons already conceded that he’s here to fix the financial issues of the mets and bolt? what’s the problem now?
Alex if that’s the case I don’t get it either.I also don’t see anyone showing a lovefest for Alderson,I just see posters comment and approve of his philosophy of rebuilding the team from within.Some of us are patient enough to rebuild while some are furious that we are in this position.
People have faith in him only because he’s been successful in the past and he’s a very well respected executive throughout baseball.
I think everybody that’s anti Alderson is just jumping the gun.IMO he went into the 2011 season trying to evaluate the team and see who he thinks he can rebuild with and who he feels he can’t win with.
Sandy has been around the game in many different capacities for many years.He saw with his own eyes that this is nothing more than a mediocre club.If he thought this team had any shot at contending then no way he trades Beltran.After watching his new team play 2/3rds of the season I think(IMO) he thought it was better to trade Beltran for the best available prospect rather than keep him and pray for a miracle that the 4 teams ahead of him in the WC would all collapse while we hope for our own miracle that our pitching staff would resemble a pitching staff which would open a window for the mets to get in.
K-Rod was just a plain ole salary dump. A team with payroll constraints that already has half their budget going to 3 players is not going to have a closer making 17.5 million to add to the 55 million Johan,Bay and your favorite player Wright(lol) are making.
Somehow Terry Collins gets a pass from our fanbase for mis-using K-Rod.Everybody including their mother all knew that he had that ridiculous option for 55 games finished except Terry Collins.At least 3 times that I can remember Collins brought in K-Rod in the 8th and 9th innings when the team was behind by a lot just so he could put a crooked number inning to bed which counts as a game finished when you’re getting the final out in the bottom of the 8th on the road trailing.
How many non-save situations did Terry bring in K-Rod to close out the 9th of a 4 and 5 run lead? Too many for a guy with that option hanging over his head.Some managers rarely ever use their closer in a non save situation unless he needs work and then you have managers on the other side of the spectrum that use their closer save situation or not.If he was used right they wouldn’t have had to trade him and they could’ve declined his option and offered him arbitration and maybe he accepts and we have a closer for another year with the worst case scenario being we get 2 draft picks if he declines and we can’t come to terms on an extension.
Well I know this was a bit early since Reyes hasn’t actually gone anywhere yet. But Alderson is appearing to be WAY too lethargic about the whole situation. I can’t wrap my head around why he not only didn’t even attempt to sign him in the pre-season, failed to strike while the iron was hot in late June when Reyes was an MVP candidate, and now is barely showing any interest to the point where Reyes’ agent publicly stated that is disappointed with their lack of interest.
I mean maybe it is a tactic? who knows? It is just a very unsettling thing to see when there was multiple opportunities to retain Reyes or get a hearty package for him, and Alderson seems to be letting opportunity after opportunity go by.
Most 65-year olds I know can get very lethargic if they dont get enough fiber.
LOL that’s great! Hahaha
Well, signing Reyes after 2010 wasn’t a good idea at all. And I find it strange that most of the people who were up a tree about trading Reyes at the deadline now say it would have been a good idea. And the showing interest part is relative. Is Sandy showing any more or less interest in Reyes than Melvin is about Fielder? Or K-Rod? Or Amaro with Rollins? Or Hicks with Wilson? That’s my point. This is how it is. It works like this.
Nobody said it would have been a good idea to trade Reyes.
But, that would have been a hell of a lot better than letting him go for picks, which might not even be a 1st rd pick.
Exactly my point, Thank you Vinny.
I would prefer for the Mets to keep him, but it is looking like that is not likely.
What D-Bags say when they are cornered with facts:
1. They mock the source. EG: “So you’re going to tell me you believe everything Jon Heyman says?”
2. They pass off speculation as facts. EG: “Oh the Rays were probably really trying to do gauge interest, it wasn’t serious.”
3. They change and twist subjects. EG: “So then you just want to keep spending money on Luis Castillo and Oliver Perez.”
4. They put words in your mouth. EG: “So wait, you think the Mets should sign all their free agent players? Is that what you’re saying?”
5. They make a joke. EG: “You’re kidding me right? LMAO!!! SMH!!!”
6. They kill the convo. EG: “Okay, I’m done. This is a stupid post.”
7. Here comes the Geek Snark Attack. EG: “Yeah, and the United States didn’t really send astronauts to the moon.”
Learn these signs so you can identify the D-Bags.
This comment should probably read
“What D-Bags say when they are cornered with facts: They make Top 7 lists”
Srt’s comment needs to be reiterated “It’s comments like this – the immature name calling BS – which is making this once very good site a laughingstock across many other Met blogs. You guys have gained a reputation for yourselves – and it’s not all good.”
You’re not proving to be smarter than anybody here when somebody makes a comment about another GM and you return the comment by calling them a DBag. It makes you look sad, petty, and uneducated. I know at least 1 of those things you are not, but when you resort to this kind of juvenile discussion tactics it makes you look pathetic.
If you cannot reply to Donal or Xtreem or anybody’s point without having to first call them a DBag, a$$licker, or any colorful names then it makes your point look like it’s coming from a child who is saying words to get a reaction, not to make a point.
Oh God I REALLY wish I could vote thumbs up on this about 10 times!!!!!!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
Option A: Give nine figures to a man who hasn’t played 140 games since 2008.
Option B: Use that money to fill a bunch of other holes that need to be filled, to build a more well-rounded, balanced, competitive team.
I’ll take B, thanks.
The Mets are finally doing things right and you want them to continue to do what they’ve been doing for twenty years. You people are thick.
Someone needs to explain something to me, on November 9, 2011. What has happened SO huge around MLB to warrant the hatred towards Sandy Alderson and FO at this point?
Has Albert Pujols been signed anywhere yet?
Has Prince Fielder been signed anywhere yet?
Has anyone SIGNIFICANT been signed anywhere yet?
Just food for thought and this is NOT about Omar vs Sandy, but Omar’s first big signing was Pedro Martinez, that didn’t happen until December 14, 2004, it’s STILL November 9, 2011.
Henry Blanco is off the market! Yes, that Henry Blanco.
Henry. Blanco. If that doesn’t say all we need to know about Alderson’s tenure, I don’t know what does.