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2011
Morning Grind: Mets Will Regret Letting Nick Evans Slip Away
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Given the financial situation the Mets are currently in, holding on to a guy like Nick Evans should have been a no-brainer. Not only would Evans have been a quality bat and add much-needed depth to a very thin, not-so-Amazin’ roster, but come at a relatively inexpensive price.
This 25-year old has been up and down from the minors so many times with the Mets that I don’t blame him for skipping town on the first chance he got. Evans hit .300 with 23 homers, 80 RBIs and 44 doubles in the minors in 2010 yet only got 36 at-bats in the show (in which he hit .306). In 2011, despite his strong 2010 performance, did not break camp with the Mets in favor of the likes of Brad Emaus and Willie Harris, was DFA twice, yet between Triple-A and the majors still put together a solid year. That kind of instability would have had any other player headed for the hills. I commend Evans for giving the Mets as much of a chance as he did. He held up his end of the deal performance-wise; there was just never a spot for him in Flushing.
There was an article I read during the season entitled “Is Nick Evans The Next Heath Bell?”, and I completely agree. I believe the Pirates picked up a very solid piece for 2012 and likely beyond. I don’t think by any means Evans will be a superstar, but a solid .275-.280 average with 15 homers, 75 RBIs and 30 doubles is not out of the question should he get consistent playing time.
Evans could have been a go-to bat off the bench for the Mets in 2012 at close to league minimum. Now to replace him, Alderson will likely have to spend $1-$1.5 million on someone like Scott Hairston or Endy Chavez to replace him.
Penny-wise Pound-foolish in my opinion.
About the Author: Clayton Collier
Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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Good luck to you Nick. I hope you get the chance to stick with team in Pittsburgh you did not get here.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR NICK, HW DIDN’T HAVE A SPECIFIC SKILL SET WE NEEDED WITH ANY DESPERATION. 1B & CORNER OF. IS THERE A MORE POPULATED PAIR OF POSITIONS IN OUR FRANCHISE?OH WAIT, HE ALSO PLAYED A LITTLE 3B, NOW THERE’S A HIGH DEMAND NEED AS HE’D LANGUISH BEHIND WRIGHT, MURPHY & THE BALLBOY,lol.
NICK LIKELY BURNED A NUMBER OF BRIDGES WHEN HE SULKED HIS WAY OUT OF AAA DOWN TO AA AFTER HIS FIRST ST FAILURE TO MAKE THE CUT.
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ALL 3 GUYS DEPLOYED IN THAT TUFFELSHUFFLE BRAIN STORM CONCEPT OF THE 3 RING CIRCUS WITH CARP, MURPHY & EVANS ALL ROTATING DIZZILY FROM 1B TO 3B TO LF AS ALL 3 FAILED TO LAND SOLIDLY IN FLUSHING. THE MOST SOLID IS MURPH WHOSE FOOTHOLD IS UNDETERMINED.
NICK, STRIKES ME AS A POOR COPY OF MAGADAN FROM TYHE 80s AND MORE THAN LIKELY WITH THE CURRENT FO HE’S NUMBER 41 ON THE DEPTH CHART. CERTAINLY NOT ABSOLUTELY MORE VALUABLE THAN ANY BEFORE HIM.
POST CRITICIZES KEEPING HAIRSTON & EMAUS OVER EVANS LAST APRIL. THE QUESTION IS CAN NICK PLAY 2B OR CF? 2 POSITIONS DEPERATE FOR DEPTH AT THE TIME.
IMO, AS I’VE ALWAYS LIKED NICK, I ESTIMATE HIS BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS HE DID A LOT OF THINGS WELL; BUT NOTHING OUTSTANDINGLY WELL AND THERE WERE PLENTY OF OTHER OPTIONS(DAVIS,MURPHY,DUDA) THAT DID NEARLY EVERYTHING BETTER.
What’s to replace? Turner is on the bench. Fmart should make the show. Nickeas will make the show as back up C. yes, you’ll prob. have to sign Endy, but you were going to have to sign him regardless, because there is nothing ML ready to back up CF. That leaves 1 spot on the bench. I guess Evans could have been that guy… Could also be a Rule 5 pickup.
Save your money and don’t bet on Nick Evans , guys like him are a dime a dozen, remember Butch Husky and the great Victor Diaz, more minor league stars
Clayton, thanks for the laugh.. the title of your article was just priceless…
Good baseball talk right there
Wow — if the Mets live to regret letting Nick Evans go, then this team will be a bigger mess then I thought.
Evans simply does not hit right-handed pitching, has no real defensive position and has not lit it up when he has been on the major league roster.
There is a reason he was DFA’d so many times.
There is a reason that 29 other teams failed to claim him after he was DFA’d all those times.
There is a reason he signed a minor league contract with a last place, small market team.
Unfortunately, the reason is that he just isn’t that good.
I bet that that he is out of baseball in the next two years …. nice kid, not a very good player IMO.
Clayton, you’re overstating Evans’ ability. He’s roster filler. A nice guy who did a good job filling in last year, but he’s destined for the Buffalo Shuttle (or whatever the Pirates’ equivalent is).
Take Murphy, drop 50 points from his average and 50 points from his OBP and make him right handed. that is Evans.
And what do you call paulino?
Funny last week everyone wanted cheap and good defense for the C position…
Well that pretty much describes Evans perfectly!
What do I call Paulino?
Easily replaceable? Of little consequence?
I fail to see your point here.
“I fail to see your point here”
Yeah we noticed…
Is that the Royal We or the lunatic in a bell tower we?
Wait, did you just imply Evans should be the back up catcher?
He has 0 professional games at that position.
Yes if the alternative is to go out and sign another paulino at 1-2 mil. Evans would be 25%-50% cheaper and at least provide solid defense!
Oh and better update your spreadsheet, Nickeas played in 21 games last year!
Clearly Metsie forgot to take his meds this morning.
Clearly you neglected to read the Months worth or arguments where I was the one who said if we want to save money then the way ito do it is to play kids like Evans and Nickeas at C and CF because they cost less than half what the pile of crap Sandy is going to sign does to get not much more!
Donal and the other apologists all think Sandy should let reyes go so we can sign more guys like Paulino and Buchholz and I say don’t sign those guys, put the money towards keeping Reyes and fill in those holes with those MiL guys who have run out of options, can’t learn anymore from being in the MiL and then cutting them when we find someone better or have exclusive rights should one of them actually do well as opposed to a guy like Capuano who only did decent and wants a 400% raise!
Better defense? At a position he has never played in his adult life?
“Oh and better update your spreadsheet, Nickeas played in 21 games last year!”
Uh, ya, I know that. What does that have to do with what you said? You said you want to use Evans as the back up catcher.
Nickeas never played Catcher? News to me!
Evans should have been the replacement for Pagan…I guess you missed that!
We are going to pay Pagan close to 5 Mil compared to 415K because we let Evans go!
“Nickeas never played Catcher? News to me!”
Nickeas is a catcher. NICK EVANS, whom this conversation is about, has never played that position in his professional life.
“Evans should have been the replacement for Pagan…I guess you missed that!”
1) You didn’t say that. at all. You implied Evans should replace Paulino.
2) That is a terrible idea. Evans has 1 more inning as a CF in his entire professional career than he does as a catcher.
“We are going to pay Pagan close to 5 Mil compared to 415K because we let Evans go!”
and because Evans is not a CF.
No just another instance where the conversation went right by your head and as a result try to change it to suit your bull!
You called Evans a Bench filler!
I called Paulino a Bench Filler!
I call whoever Sandy signs to backup Pagan Bech filler!
You think Pagan himself is not much better than Bench filler!
Sorry sonny I know complicated concepts often confuse you!
I will try to remember this whenever I talk to you and will try to DUMB IT DOWN so guys like you can keep up!
“No just another instance where the conversation went right by your head and as a result try to change it to suit your bull!”
No, this is another instance of you being all over the map and not making a clear coherent thought. Time to get your lithium dose increased.
“You called Evans a Bench filler!
I called Paulino a Bench Filler!
I call whoever Sandy signs to backup Pagan Bech filler!”
I called Evans roster filler. He’s a AAAA player. But, ya, those are all replaceable players. All ride the pine most of the time. I have no idea what your issue is.
“Sorry sonny I know complicated concepts often confuse you!
I will try to remember this whenever I talk to you and will try to DUMB IT DOWN so guys like you can keep up!”
Can’t get much dumber than trying to sell Nick Evans as a back up catcher.
Yes all are replaceable at 4 times the price which you will then spin into Sandy doing a good job!
I pray for the day your IQ surpasses your shoe size!
Ya, I’ve said none of that stuff. I actually think that we’d be better off giving Nikeas more reps than sticking with Paulino another season. But, I’d still rather bring in another back up catcher before it comes to that.
WHAT!!!! Evans as catcher and he will provide better defense???? You just won the Bayonne Knows Baseball Award , congratulations. Give the man a rum punch.
One of the biggest improvements in Evans last year was his defense. Outside of Ike Davis he was the Mets next best defensive first baseman by far, not even close and having an above avg first baseman is essential to holding an infield together.
I actually thought Murphy played better D at 1B. A little too aggressive, but solid D. Either way, Evans won’t be missed. We have King Kong Val knocking on the doorsteps!
Evans was pretty good but Murphy was better.
Check out this play by Murphy at 1B. It’s a great one:
http://www.noob.us/entertainment/daniel-murphy-makes-the-defensive-play-of-the-year/
regardless,
let’s put away the pom-poms because we like somebody and get down to reality.
Evans was clearly the better and smarter defensive first baseman. It’s not even close and it’s not even a debate and any professional or anyone with experience who has a head on his shoulders and who knows the game will tell you that
Another dismissive reply by the guy who attacks when his point is refuted. Grow up and recognize other opinions.
Perhaps Bayonne should look at Bill james handbook and see that Murphy was the best first baseman last year. But he doesnt want to give Murphy any credit.
so Bill James says Murph was the best first baseman last year…yeah ok. Well I say different..and he’s wrong.
“So Bill James says Murph was the best first baseman last year…yeah ok. Well I say different..and he’s wrong.”
LOL. So what you’re saying is that just because someone thinks different than you, they are wrong? Gotcha
Most advanced stats take years to be accurate. So, I don’t care what they say about Murphy’s D at 1st because he only started 46 games there last year.
Daniel Murphy 50 games at 1B in 2011, 46 of them as starter at 1B
Nick Evans 44 games at 1B, most coming after Murphy’s injury and 38 were starts
“Evans was clearly the better and smarter defensive first baseman. It’s not even close and it’s not even a debate and any professional or anyone with experience who has a head on his shoulders and who knows the game will tell you that”
You saying you know more about baseball than Terry Collins?
Did Collins ever say Murphy played better D at 1st than Evans? Just wondering because I don’t remember him saying that.
Ya, every time he submitted a line up card with Murphy at 1B and Evans anywhere but.
Bayonne is a big fan of people who talk a bunch, but I look at what people do. It seems to reveal a whole lot more.
Maybe he started Murphy over Evans because Murphy is a much better hitter?
With all the reserve players and positional shuffling that went on this year? If Collins wanted Evans in that badly, Evans would have been in.
unbelievable,
and i’m going to regret responding to this clown. But one is a starter who I would like to see back as the Mets starting third baseman if he was healthy, and the other is a backup. I’m just talking about defense
Displaying the class and grace we’ve all come to expect from you.
Never mind that Evans could have gotten more starts at 1B, but was passed over.
Correct me if I’m wrong,but wasn’t Evans in AAA when Murphy was the teams primary 1st baseman after Ike’s injury.
yeah but that doesn’t matter and again, like the others, you’re either missing the point or ignoring it. Murphy has turned into a very good hitter and he’s a guy I even would like to replace David Wright at 3B and use Wright to acquire pitching as I’ve said many many times.
Murphy passed up Evans as a hitter big time but what we are talking about is defense.
Nick Evans is far superior to Murphy at 1B when it comes to defense. Mike Nickeas was far superior to any of the Mets catchers as well last year but he wasn’t gonna start because he didn’t hit enough. You have to be SMART and weigh things properly, if you can’t do that than i’m not going to turn this into a 27 reply post.
In the case of Murphy and Evans, Evans is the superior defensive first baseman than Murphy. The fact that Evans was in the minors while Murphy was up in the show doesn’t mean anything. I can’t believe i’m even having to address that.
Donal just really spinned everything.
When you said that Evans played better D at 1st than Murph, you didn’t mean that Evans should start over him. You just said that Evans played better DEFENSE, not that he was the better overall player.
Nobody in their right mind would start Evans over Murphy, even though Evans played better defense at 1st.
of course that’s what i meant, but i have no time to play word games with those jerks anymore. You show great patience when talking to that guy. It’s like the other guy who said “well wasn’t Evans in the minors while Murphy was in the majors” Again that’s not the point and it doesn’t matter. That tells you nothing.
Only one guy came out and simply said he felt Murphy was better defensively in his opinion and that was NJTex. And that’s fine.
The rest are showing video clips, coming up UZRs and all this other bull. I’m just trusting my own ability to evaluate. It’s as simple as that.
and correct. Nobody in their right mind would start Evans over Murphy the way Murph was hitting this year. And if he proved healthy in ST I even would like to keep Murph at 3B and move Wright for HEALTHY young starting pitching because i think that’s one of the ways this team can get better and contend in 2012 but that’s not gonna happen. We already have Ike at 1B.
There’s many ways the Mets can go. They can even keep Wright (which they will do) and move Murphy in a package for starting pitching and Nick Evans could have been the right-handed backup for Lucas Duda and Ike Davis. I thought that made sense but that idea is now dead too
Ummm no I’m not missing or ignoring any points.I simply ignore any posts made by you so I have no idea what you are debating but I asked Donal that question because he seems to believe Murphy was penciled into the lineup over Evans and I’m pretty sure that Evans was in the minor leagues when Murphy was getting the majority of the starts at 1B.
It’s ridiculous.
That would be like saying that Collins thinks Duda plays better OF D than Pride because Duda started more games than Pridie.
Everyone knows that the reason why Murphy got a lot of starts was because Collins wanted his bat in the lineup.
Actually, that would because Pridie is a CF. And there weren’t many other places to put Duda. Murphy could have played someplace else if Evans defense is so much better at 1B.
Oh come on,
Murphy started over Evans because Murphy is a much better hitter – Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that Murph didn’t start over Evans because of his defense – It was because of his bat.
Your saying Collins thinks Murph plays better D at 1st because he started him over Evans, when actually he started Murphy because he wanted his bat in the lineup.
One great play doesn’t make you a great fielder.
Agreed, I just wish that line of thinking was more prevalent.
Vinnie, you’re absolutely right. Players prove their worth over time. So let’s take a look at Murphy’s 1B play back in 2009. Virtually all observers would agree that Murphy has gotten better since then. This comprehensive view was provided by Patrick Flood. Flood said:
UZR ranked Daniel Murphy as the 4th best defensive first baseman in the majors last year. Plus/minus ranked him as tied for first with Albert Pujols and Kevin Youkilis. Fan Scouting Reports ranks Murphy as a better defensive player than either Carlos Delgado or Fernando Tatis. He was not only solid defensively, but in fact he appears to be one of the best.
Here is the link:
http://www.patrickfloodblog.com/2010/02/09/coming-to-daniel-murphys-defense/
P.S.: Don’t show any numbers or expert opinion to the Mouth from Jersey. His imaginary experts agree with him and he gets so easily upset.
UZR takes about three years to be accurate. So, it’s not going to be accurate judging Murphy’s D at 1st when he has yet to play one full year there.
The results are flawed.
Vinnie. There is more than UZR in the quote. You’ve got a lot to refute. Ask The Mouth. Facts don’t matter to him.
Flood even say this:
“On one hand, all that is based on just 850 defensive innings at first, so it’s impossible to make any solid conclusions about his defense. ”
So, why should I beleive any of his conclusions?
Vinnie, I get the sense you’re digging your heels in, even though the evidence predominantly favors one point of view. Too bad, but you’ve got The Mouth to keep you company.
What evidence? Flood even said not to draw any conculsions from his post.
His article isn’t evidence – It is based on less than a full year at 1st base….and the stats he used need three years to be accurate.
That’s not evidnce at all. His post doesn’t prove anything.
you can show all the highlight video you want, and use your compass to map out all kinds of scientific data but the fact remains that Nick Evans was a much better defensive first baseman than Daniel Murphy and not only that but Daniel Murphy would never start ahead of Carlos Delgado at 1B at any time ever, not in this world or in any plane of existence of any dimension of life you can imagine.
The Mouth has lost all credibility. Here is something you should think about, courtesy of John Wooden referring to Abe Lincoln:
“It’s better to keep quiet and let people think you’re a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
yeah this coming from the guy who posted a bunch of his own quotes in a response and then tried to pass them off as official quotes from past periodicals.
This coming from the guy who tried to pass off years old information as current events
This coming from the guy who tried to pass off he knew the actual day and where Jerry Manuel was flying after he was fired
..and this coming from the guy that says that Herrera, after 8 innings, is the real deal
Your facts are so mixed up it’s pathetic. Get some help.
…and this coming from the old guy who just posted a video highlight of a defensive play as if that’s evidence enough for ANY fielder to be considered good at his trade when everybody knows that ANYBODY who has ever played pro ball can make a good play regardless of the level of their talent..
u shoot your mouth off to much old man.
You are a sad case. Hate, get confused, hate, get confused…. I bet you have trouble playing checkers.
WOW all this over two guys that platooned a position neither playing more than 50 games each at the position.
Des – maybe it is too early to use UZR as a tool to determine who the better Defensive player is, so that means today we can’t really tell who is better Murphy or Evans, and basically its a moot point now right? lol
No, I can tell,
i saw them both and i can tell that Evans is better. I kind of have a little experience in that u’know?
But i can tell.
Why aren’t you working for MLB and/or the NY Mets then? You know everything, sorry I forgot for a second.
not all people who have dedicated large portions of their lives to coaching and playing baseball work for MLB – wise ass
I don’t tell you how to bake cookies and you don’t tell what to do with what i know and we’ll get along just fine.
Doubt it
Bayonne, just who did you coach? Who are the baseball people, the experts, who ‘know’ and agree with you? I think you’re really just a fraud.
yep i’ve been making it all up the entire 5 years i’ve been a member of this board okay? All the stories and details and discussions about it i’ve had with past and present members of this site, even ones i’ve befriended are all made up……you are really a big IDIOT who really hasn’t learned much about life during your long time on this planet. What a waste.
You really live in a make believe world trying to antagonize a guy who has proven you to be a LIAR, an EXAGGERATOR, a flat out STORY TELLER and i shown and can show again the time you INTENTIONALLY tried to DECEIVE the readers of this site many times. And they know it.
You’re a fraud buddy now go back and talk to the other bees that fly in the same bushes you do.
Okay, for the newbies wondering what’s going on here’s just ONE of the instances of Des FLAT OUT lying to the readership – now when reading this, the “snippets” Des is alluding to are HIS OWN QUOTES FROM PAST POSTS. The read Chris’ response, then mine. Now Read and enjoy how this plays out. It’s an MMO classic.
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Des April 19, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Murphy and Emaus — “… from what I’ve seen thus far, there is very little separation between the two defensively – a fact even Terry Collins alluded to.” This is also what my eyes have seen.
Despite some catcalls, Murphy has played very well at 2B. He’s made some great plays and displayed tremendous range going to both his left and to his right, up the middle.
There will inevitably be references to Ruben Tejada. Here are snippets posted from the past couple of days:
“After the first three games, Tejada has cooled, as reflected by his 5 for 23 (AVG .217). In total this season, Ruben hit a triple in his first game but hasn’t got any other extra base. He is an offensive deficit. “
“Let’s put the Ruben Tejada hitting and fielding skills into perspective. We know right now that Tejada is a weak hitter. He may develop into a serviceable hitter but he’s nowhere near that right now.”
“What’s not known widely is that Tejada is also weak fielder. This season Tejada has been shaky in the field for the Bisons. He has five errors in ten games at SS. He’s had 50 chances, and is fielding .900 — no doubt he’ll improve but this is a bit of a surprise.”
“For his minor league career, encompassing five seasons at SS and three seasons at 2B, Tejada’s Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Average is 3 at SS, but -2 at 2B. During the same time, Tejada has a .954 fielding percentage at SS. At 2B, his fielding percentage is .937. These numbers are well below those of top and even mediocre major leaguers. In the majors, average percentages at SS are around .975 and in the .980′s at 2B.”
“Tejada is a poor to mediocre middle infielder. In fact, Chase Utley, a guy who is viewed by many Mets fans as a inferior second baseman, has numbers way, way better than Tejada.“
“In 2010, Tejada played 50 games at 2B. How well did he play compared to all major league second basemen? Of the 91 players who played at least ten games at 2B, Tejada’s fielding percentage of .972 placed him tied at Number 77 with one other guy. Only 13 of the 91 players had a poorer fielding average.”
Chris April 20, 2011 at 1:22 am
uh-oh, don’t let Bayonne see all that, he’ll have a heart attack.
I’ve been saying all along Tejada is a terrible player and completely overrated defensively. he is just not that good. he shouldn’t even be in AAA let alone playing second base for the Mets. Hasn’t shown he can make the routine plays at a reasonable rate at any level he’s played at so far. And hitting wise you might as well have Terry Collins up at the plate.
Bayonne Mets Fan April 24, 2011 at 12:10 am
Hey wait a second Des!
This is what you wrote –
“There will inevitably be references to Ruben Tejada. Here are snippets posted from the past couple of days:”
And then all the snippets you listed in quotations – WHERE YOUR OWN QUOTES!!! They were your own quotes from this article on April 16th!!
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/04/realizing-its-time-to-rebuild.html
YOU QUOTED YOURSELF!! I thought I was reading quotes from some periodicals!
That’s like me saying “well there are some quotes from the other day that back up my claims…THEN I GO AND COPY AND PASTE MY OWN QUOTES FROM ANOTHER POST!!!
That’s what you just did!!!
Des has struck again!
Bayonne —
1) First answer my questions. You didn’t because you’re just a person with an outsized mouth who is afraid of numbers and most anything new. I’ll be waiting for your answers.
2) Regarding the quotes (as I explained at the time) I had many different posts on MMO. As usual, you seemed confused. I could have repeated each and every entry. To make it simple enough for your brain, I put together my views, but I didn’t ask you to read each separate post. That’s why I included the quotes. So what do you do? You accuse me of some sort of plagiarism, when I was trying to give you the heart of my views in a distilled manner. You repeatedly misconstrue the intentions of those who you don’t understand and can’t bully. Really, I think your just full of bluster and nonsense. I’ve learned over time that you don’t have the skills to debate a subject and still respect the other person and the disparate views. You’re a bore, a bully and someone who tries to beat the other person down. That’s a working definition of an emotional misfit. Really you should just try to understand why someone thinks differently, but that is beyond your limited capability.
3) I think the date was Oct. 3, 2010 when the New York Times had an article about Jerry Manuel going back to California with the intention of coaching baseball at a small college. When I said then that he was taking a plane back to the Sacremento area, you took a cheap shot and said I didn’t know that Jerry was taking a plane. In my mind, the mode of transportation was irrelevant, but that he was going home was the important news. In fact the writer of the article, George Vecsey, wrote what I relayed to MMO readers, but for some inane reason you got annoyed. You correctly pointed out, as I had elsewhere, that Jerry had said much the same in 2007. So what if he did? Can’t a person reiterate a previous view? Does that make it inappropriate or wrong? It was presented as current news in the October, 2010 sports pages. If there was any misinformation that bothered you for some godforsaken reason, you should have taken it up with the NY Times.
I really think you have some interpersonal and emotional issues. Get help. You repeatedly argue the most asinine issues and you repeatedly claim to be an expert. Ha ha. For example, recently you said you and your friends could do a better job than Sandy. That’s another silly claim by a guy who couldn’t even write a formal job description.
Finally, I don’t expect you to understand what I’ve just written, just as you haven’t understood it the few other times I’ve explained it. But that’s your challenge. Surprise me and show some comprehension.
………..and this guy says I’m a crazy woman,look at my posts. As if, anyone gives a rats butt what transpired between Bayonne and Des months ago. When did this become a teenage site? Grow up already……………
Thanks for the write up – but I don’t think the Mets will regret this. Nice player but nothing more. Seems like a good guy, I wish him the best unless he is playing the Mets.
And this how the Josh Satin era officially begins
Um, no, Clayton I don’t think they or us will, but I do wish him luck. He’s a nice guy.
This was meant to be funny, right? I mean, yeah, I feel for the kid because he was always the odd man out, but what in the world are they losing here?
If this is your idea of a worthwhile poignant post, then you should probably look for something else to do. If it was meant to be satirical, then well done – bravo!
A cheap player who if he does decent won’t cost 400-500% more next year!
We could have had both Evans and Pridie for the price of whatever scrub Sandy is going to have to sign now to backup Pagan!
or they can get another wiaver wire pick up in ST, which is what Pridie was.
anyway, isn’t it better to pay more to get a better player? Why go cheap if the guy isn’t as good, isn’t that moneyballing and not trying to compete?
I said that above! you copycat you!
What’s Duda-love’s slash line going to be this upcoming year?
You heard it here first.
.261/.348/.462
If there is about 24-ish to 26 bombs in there, i’ll take it.
Oh, sure. He can get out 25 times. Sign me up for that.
and as for that slash line for Duda forget the OBP because 1) it’s not important because as long as he hits his OBP will be fine and 2) The next MOST important thing will be his RBI count.
Because if you want to win you need guys that can drive in runs and drive them in in big spots. So that STUPID slash line does not tell me ANYTHING related to winning as far as Duda goes.
If Duda hits 25 bombs or so and can drive in 75-100 RBIs and prove to be a guy that gets hits in big spots because that is SO unbelievably important if you want to win then we have ourselves a keeper.
Oh, and if he hits 260 to 290 driving in those runs than that means his OBP will be around .330 to around 350. And that OBP counts the times he’s left on base after he’s driven in important runs so that percentage of the OBP makes his OBP even LESS important.
As long as he hits, hits with power, drives in runs and drives in runs in the clutch he’ll be okay – the rest of those unimportant numbers will be there
As long as he hits and hits with power, the RBIs will fall into his lap so long as the OBP of the guys ahead of him is noteworthy. “Clutch” will be as good as he is. If he hits .250, over enough ABs, he’ll hit .250 in the “clutch.” That’s how baseball works.
He can have 3 pitchers on base for all i care when he gets big hits as long as he gets big hits. I could not care ANY LESS about the stats of the guys on base in front of him because nobody will ever remember nor should they care cuz i’m just talking about Lucas Duda.
If he becomes a big spot guy, and he has shown sometimes that he tenses up in pressure situations so it’s to be watch, but he’s new, and if he can overcome that and be able to deliver in the clutch than he’s a keeper, if he turns into another choke artist like David Wright than all the numbers in the world won’t matter and he’ll become good trade bait
That’s too bad, because of the OBP of the guys in front of him matter greatly to his success. Obviously you can’t drive in runners that aren’t there. But to you it’s not obvious. His OBP matters also, becuase it includes his hits, so that accounts for your RBIs, but more importantly counts all his times on base, which is important to the NEXT guy looking for RBI opportunities. And so on and so forth.
yeah well if he gets a hit to win a game or win a playoff for the Mets you can go interview and have fun with the guys he drove in (whoever the hell they are and whatever the hell their stats are) and then you can go interview the guy that was on deck.
I’ll talk to the guy who closed the deal and that’s the guy who get the big hit and big RBI.
Lucas Duda is gonna feed his family by being a long ball power hitter who drives in runs. It IS as simple as that. And now i’m done w/this tread cuz we all know they can go on and turn into semantics with this dirtbag
And I rest my case.
People seem to be overlooking the roster limits. Sure it would have been nice to keep Evans around. maybe Pridie too.
But, that means they would have removed a couple of other guys from the 40 man (and no idea if Evans has options left or not). So, they had to choose which guys to protect, and he lost.
Maybe he ends up being a solid starter. I hope he does, always seemed like a good guy.
Too bad he was not a lefty, and could have been the platoon guy needed to share time with Bay.
But for now, just another AAAA type casualty of the numbers game. Every team has to make calls like this.
Any, Evans has no more options. He was DFA’ed twice last year instead of optioned back to Buffalo. That’s why I don’t get why the Mets will miss him. He’s so good, teams didn’t even want him for free. People think he could have been trade bait? He was offered to all of baseball for free and no one took him.
Xreemlcon, that he passed through waivers is a crutch some use to say the player stinks and has no value.
In-season, teams only claim players when prepared to remove someone else off their 40 or 25 when they have a specific need. In the offseason roster space opens and hence those passed up during the season draw interest from multiple teams as Evans has. The Phillies just signed Misch, the Pirates, Evans which clearly indicates interest. Your stance and those who share your belief, lacks crucial context.
Roster space doesn’t open. 40 man roster is a 40 man roster. If teams were so inclined, Evans could have been claimed and re-assigned. These players you mention signed minor league deals. There was no more or less room now than there was during the season.
Great point Any! When you’re a AAAA player, options are vital, and you most certainly are not going to lose a prospect with potential off the 40-man roster, just so that you can keep a bench player for $400k… despite what Metsies thinks.
Mark my word, Nick’s going to hit and have a solid big league career. Once he fixes failing to plant all of his front foot during his swing (he finishes on his heel with forefoot raised) he’s going to be a doubles machine with 20 homer power.
That he passed through waivers is a crutch some use to say the player stinks and has no value.
In-season, teams only claim players when prepared to remove someone else off their 40 or 25 when they have a specific need. In the offseason roster space opens and hence those passed up during the season draw interest from multiple teams as Evans has. The Phillies just signed Misch, the Pirates, Evans which clearly indicates interest. Your stance and those who share your belief, lacks crucial context.
I agree that Evans is a AAAA player. The Mets, as a team, are no better or worse with him gone.
I just don’t believe this is even an issue. The Mets have about 20 more important priorities than a bench player who has limited skills and this post is debating whether he should have been re-signed? Unbelievable.
this is just the start of the battle between freddye wilponzie and the pirates to see who can sign the cheapest player.most probally freddye has a cheaper version of a player than evans in mind. geniusalderson is simply the lackey vehicle doing the wilponzie bidding.by the way happy thanksgiving wilponzie family. i give salutations especially to freddye, leader of this criminal lot. freddye will smile,finally,when he hears reyes signed with somebody else.at that point his face will turn to dust having used muscles that have been dormant for decades.
Baby Al where have you been man? I see your disdain for Mets ownership remains unwavering, lol
joe, just as there is a thin line between love and hate when it comes to what the wilponzie family has done to this franchise……. there is a thin line between hate and more hate.
Welcome back, baby al. I agree with most of what you’re saying. But don’t overlook the minimum salary scale. It’s a great equalizer for the cheapie owners you don’t like.
des, if freddye wilponzie could he would cut the payroll down and collect some of that luxury tax monies.freddye probally has been jealous of pittsburg and kc all these years.as far as jeffye goes he will swear yes to anything ole freddye says(as long as he stays in the will).the other son is probally scouting in japan for his next sinjo.
lol what is a sinjo and i hope he won’t be our new ace?
some japanese guy ,when introduced to ny by freddye wilponzie,was described as japan’s jeter.if he could throw a ball and play for 10 dollars an hour freddye is game.
“japan’s jeter” lol! prolly selling cars over there too…or deodorant like mo…lol
don’t u think sandy is in charge?
just please no more Rocket Boy
aa,before geniusalderson can flush a toilet in his office he has to get signed documenation from freddye wilponzie. water costs money.that’s how much in charge i know he is not.he is like every other met gm ….a shot load.his other claim to fame is his oakland team was ground zero for steriods.how a man with such a high baseball iq can miss that going on is hard to fathom.lol
guys, bayoone played the game, ok.
Des, read this:
http://www.nesn.com/2009/12/jacoby-ellsbury-proves-defensive-statistics-are-essentially-meaningless.html
“Yet according to FanGraphs, Ellsbury’s ultimate zone rating was -18.6 in 2009 — good for dead last among center fielders. Only Toronto’s Vernon Wells had nearly as low a rating (-18.2), and only two other players (Colorado’s Dexter Fowler and the Cubs’ Kosuke Fukudome) were in the negative double-digits.
But for anyone who wants to live and die by the defensive statistics, then what is there to say about Ellsbury’s 2008 statistics? In 2008, Ellsbury’s UZR was a cool 16.5. Yes, on the other side of zero.”
This shows that you cannot trust this statistic to judge a player that hasn’t had much playing time. Ellsbury went from one of the best, to one of the worst, in one year according to UZR! And just two years after he was rated one of the worst CF’s, he was rated the BEST in the league in 2011!!!
They are just extremely volatile – That’s why I don’t trust it ranking Murphy so high – Who knows, maybe if he played a full season there, he might get rated the worst 1B….
I forgot to say that they made changes to UZR in Fenway since that Article was written – So that’s why Ellsbury’s UZR is different in that Article than if you looked at it now……but Ellsbury is still rated poorly in 09, so my point still stands.
Here is his adjusted numbers:
2008: 21.2 UZR(2nd best in the league among OF’s)
2009: -9.7 UZR(3rd worst in the league among CF’s)
2011: 15.6 UZR(best in the league among CF’s)
I didn’t include 2010 because he was hurt almost the enitre year. For two years they say he’s the one of the best, then one year they have him as one of the worst – they just change so much year to year. So, they can’t be trusted if we are talking about a guy who hasn’t played one full year at 1B, like Murphy.
Thanks, Vinnie. Good points all.
Ellsbury – now there’s a guy I wish we had patrolling CF for the Mets.
This guy never had a chance, once again the mets let go of good talent that will bite them again, they do this all the time. when will they wake up and realize what they have. I feel bad because he be productive and put up numbers for a team that will allow him to play.
well written, Clayton. I am very sad to see our guys move on, and wish Nick the best! i hate to see us let go of guys we like and have been good players in exchange for….who knows…