Mets Notes: Turner In The Outfield, Broxton Not An Option, Murphy At Second

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• Mack Ade November 14, 2011 at 10:28 am

  I hate these people that keep coming up with false rumors about Jose
• Bayonne Mets Fan November 14, 2011 at 10:32 am

  1) I’ll never believe anything this Dino Costa says again. My own fault for not following my own advice that if it comes from a name you never heard of then look into it.

  2) This talk about Murphy at 2B is TOTAL INSANITY. Who the hell is calling the shots on that? I cannot believe I’m reading that. I have no words for such an unbelievable comment, and at the major league level.
  • Donal November 14, 2011 at 10:35 am

    As opposed to who? If Reyes were to sign somewhere else, Tejada plays SS. I’d rather Murphy’s bat everyday to Turner. Valdespin and Havens aren’t going to be ready for opening day. I like Josh Satin, but he’s not an everyday option.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan November 15, 2011 at 2:49 am

      and for all my talk about how good Daniel Murphy is big spots I think he cost the Mets MORE games with his defensive and mental lapses than won more games with his bat last season.

      I honestly do.

      So to say you’d rather have Daniel Murphy at 2B solely for his bat is going to hurt more with his defense & possibly his baserunning (if that’s not corrected) than help you with his bat.

      He would be in the middle of the infield.

      Daniel Murphy should NEVER be in the middle of the infield.
  • USMF November 14, 2011 at 11:30 am

    If Sandy let’s Reyes walk, then what does it matter who plays 2nd? Let Murph boot 15 balls a year…Sandy doesn’t care to try to compete until 2015 anyways.

    I really want to see them stick Murphy at ONE position and keep him there. We’ll never know if Murphy could ever play any position unless we find him one and keep him one. (I’d rather put Murph at 3rd, Wright in Center and Pagan in the dumpster, that that’s not going to happen)

    Murphs biggest problems in the field isn’t because he doesn’t have ability, he doesn’t have the any experience and he’ll never get it if he’s moved from 2nd to 1st over to 3rd back to 2nd then to the OF and back to 1st again.

    I don’t think Muprh will ever be a great fielder, but I think he has the ability to become a “Jeff Kent” type fielder.
  • Des November 14, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Who’s calling the shots? It’s the baseball pros, not the chronic kvetch man.

    Personally I think putting Murphy at 2B is a mistake, but over the longer term, so is putting Tejada at SS. The latter guy is just not very good. As a f;ill-in, it’s a sign that changes are ahead.
  • Who November 14, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Murphy can play second base. I’ll trust the actual baseball people’s opinions over your shoddy opinions anyday, Bayonne.
• oldtimer November 14, 2011 at 11:12 am

  Forget that the guy will get hurt,just imagine how many runs he will give up at second. The guy can’t play a decent first or LF so move him to second? Fifth place here we come.
  • Metstheory22 November 14, 2011 at 11:29 am

    As much as I like his “bat”, I agree he is a DH. We should trade him to AL club for a pitcher or young CF. With TWO bad knees already his movement around 2nd is not going to be good. AL club he can DH, and play 1st and 3rd.
  • Des November 14, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Oldtimer, did you watch the Mets on your radio? Murphy played a damn good first base. Sorry you missed it.

    Regarding the outfield, he did about as good as Lastings Milledge — which is to say, not very good. But the field management of the Mets, Omar, Jerry, Willie, expected Murphy to play when his entire minor league experience was 11 PO’s. Our guys in management struck out more than Murph did.
• Petey Pete November 14, 2011 at 11:18 am

  This is an excerpt about Justin Turner from a piece I wrote back in August:

  “…..although he has exhibited himself to be a “gamer”, with occasional HR power who is not afraid to get his uniform dirty, he does not look like an everyday 2B on a contending team. His defense, for one thing, is rather uneven, and his range and arm are somewhat suspect. His hitting too has been in a state of decline as the season trundles on, and as word soaked into every nook and cranny around the league that Turner’s strength is taking it the opposite way, he is now being jammed constantly, and as a result his 2011 slash line has dwindled to .255/.323/.356, and he finds himself dropped to the 8th spot in the order.

  But Turner is too good a ballplayer to simply discard. The intangibles that make up his game are those of a player that would be nice to keep around, and the more positions Turner can adequately play, the more value he would have as your first man off the bench. I feel the Mets should make it a priority this off-season, to find some playing time for Turner in an OF somewhere, and a little time at 1B couldn’t hurt either.

  Has Turner ever played OF in the minors, you may ask? The answer is, ummmm….not really. Not since 2006, while playing for Billings (Mont), in the rookie level Pioneer League, when he appeared in 8 games, 4 in LF and 4 in RF. Eight games in the OF, of nearly 500 minor league games played, does not look too promising, but Turner is a baseball player and has better than average speed and smarts, who hopefully in time, could become an adequate defender in the green expanses of Citifield’s OF, at least in a pinch. I for one would like to see the Mets try and create the next super-utility player for this team, and I think Justin Turner would be an ideal candidate.”
• Metsie November 14, 2011 at 11:42 am

  “Is it me, or do we spend an inordinate amount of time having players learn a new position at the major league level? Feels like we’ve been doing this going all the way back to the eighties.”

  Nope not you! It’s true!
  Mostly because we have been too shy to trade the farm for the players we need to FILL those positions and when we finally do find a kid that has some skill we can’t find a place to play we try to stick him where he does the least damage instead of trading him for someone that does NO damage and can improve the team in more ways than the kid would!

  Part of that comes from the fact that people insist anyone OWNED by the mets isn’t good!
  So they feel they won’t get much for them!
  But you would get a lot if you just showed a willingness to deal!
• Des November 14, 2011 at 11:51 am

  Tejada is a fill-in until the ‘real’ Mets arrive. He’s playing now because Spin is not ready and Havens got injured. He has no power, is a mediocre fielder, but is otherwise a good kid. With Tejda we’ll be battling for fourth place. When the kids arrive from the farm system, it’s bye-bye to Tejada.

  The fact that Tejada, a low Fld% kid at SS, is playing is testimony to how mediocre the Mets are — with or without Reyes.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan November 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    and you’re an old fool,

    You’re either that stupid or you’re just trying to bait me but either way the things you say don’t beget a person who’s been living on this planet for 70 years or however the hell long a jerk like you has been around.

    Your hate for this 21 year kid knows no bounds. It’s unbelievable. Why? Because i proved you WRONG and you’re going down kicking and screaming like old gray-haired banshee with it’s teeth flying out of it’s mouth.

    You were WRONG. Case closed. You’re an old man and you can’t deal with having your lunch handed to you like I ALWAYS do to you.

    Now back to the Mets. First of all Valdespin and Havens both do not play SS so that’s that. Valdespin has played some but he’s being groomed for 2B in the majors so get your HEAD out of your ass and then give it a good wipe too.

    Secondly if you were HONEST in your assessment you’d realize the Mets have had their best years with Harrelson, Ordonez, & Santana at SS. Enough said. That’s of course…..if you need someone to explain to you that if the Mets move Reyes (which i hope they DON’T) then it would take a RESTRUCTURING….can you see that word? “RESTRUCTURING”..of the team in order to become a contender because low and behold our SS would now be a 260-300 hitter with little power but ABOVE AVERAGE DEFENSE – as everybody always says but of course you’re not everybody, you’re a nobody who despite his frailing age and health has decided to look at numbers and ignore the real life circumstances of the growing pains of a prospect.

    But one would think because of all they years you claim you’ve been watching you would be aware of all these baseball tangibles and intangibles. If you honestly think that because Ruben Tejada may become the Mets SS of the future than the team is going to stink because of him than you can’t be help. We have 16 year old kids that understand the game better than you. Now go put your teeth in a glass of water and go back to sleep – you’re less harmful to yourself and others that way you god damnd idiot
    • Des November 14, 2011 at 10:22 pm

      Tsk, tsk, tsk. He of the low boiling point once again shows himself to be a juvenile. Disagree with the self declared expert and you’re a fool? No, I don’t think so. Are you not capable of dealing with differing views? Thank goodness you don’t determine the Mets’ decisions. Lets leave that to Sandy. You over-react time and again. I never said that if Tejada is at SS the Mets would stink. You are the only one who brought that up. I said the Meta are now mediocre and if they lose Reyes they would probably wind up in last place. To me the pitching is problematical and the speed on the field is poor if Jose leaves. Who really has a lot of speed? Duda, Ike, Tejada, Havens, Thole, Valdespin, Satin, Turner, F-Mart? I don’t think so. Only Pagan, Bay, Wright and Murphy can motor.

      We’d all be happier if you didn’t take yourself so seriously.
• Todd W. November 14, 2011 at 3:29 pm

  After reading all the comments on this message board when did Sandy Alderson buy the Mets?
• NJstuckinTX November 14, 2011 at 3:51 pm

  So Murphy is going to be the new Turner and Turner is going to be the new Murph. Interesting. I know I want to see Murph in the lineup as much as possible and Turner has to be better than what Murph was in the outfield.
• Jerry M November 14, 2011 at 5:55 pm

  Because in 2010 Bayonne said that Daniel Murphy would never play 2nd base for the Mets. So he still hates him.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan November 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    um wrong as usual,

    I don’t hate Murphy never said I did and you are WELL aware of all the posts that I’ve been making saying I’d rather have Murphy at 3B than Wright if he proved healthy come ST.

    You have also read when I’ve said many times that I believe we would be a better team if Murphy played 3B and Wright was moved for major league ready starting pitching because as I’ve said here before and i KNOW you’ve seen it, Murphy is a much better hitter in big spots than Wright. I’ve also said that’ I’d like to explore the possibility of a Murphy/Turner platoon at 3B.

    So since i know you’ve read me say those things then why are you out here saying I hate Murphy?

    He just doesn’t belong anywhere near 2B. 3B is his natural position and I think this is a GRAVE and unbelievably STUPID decision to put him at 2B.

    Anybody who knows how to play this game can tell. I’ve seen enough. He CANNOT play 2B and he never will be a regular second baseman. And now with his knee being injured twice at 2B it’s career suicide if whoever is calling this shot forces Murphy at 2B down everybody’s throats.
    • XtreemIcon November 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      You gotta get past this “Wright for starting pitching” pipedream. Hasn’t got a chance.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan November 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm

        Unfortunately, i think you’re right.

        Not gonna happen.
        • XtreemIcon November 14, 2011 at 7:35 pm

          I just don’t see a team giving up the kind of pitching this team needs for one year of a player in a year three-year decline, coming off a broken back that they have to pay $13 million to. Wright’s more valuable to the Mets playing out the season and hoping for a rebound to get something real at the deadline, or to excersize his option THEN trade him after the season. Or, if he really rebounds, just extend him.
• francis November 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm

  Murphy needs to figure out how to turn a DP without blowing out his knees.