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2011
How Badly Do The Mets REALLY Need Jose Reyes?
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The past year has solely revolved around Jose Reyes and whether he will return in 2012 or skip town for a big payday. Many people, myself included, have criticized Sandy Alderson and the Mets for not acting sooner to lock the all-star shortstop. But upon further review, I am not sure he is healthy enough to complete a 7, 6, 5 or even 4-year contract at the level we saw in the first half of 2011.
The 28-year old speedster was well on his way to an MVP award in the first half, batting .354 in 350 at-bats, 30 stolen base and 40 extra base hits including 15 triples. After going down with several hamstring injuries throughout the second half of 2011, Reyes only compiled 187 at-bats, batting .305/.356/.428 with one triple and nine stolen bases. 
The 50-point drop in batting average is not nearly as stunning to me as the 1 triple and 9 steals. This speaks volumes to the idea that Reyes was not 100% healthy and did not want to test his fragile legs upon his return from the disabled list.
If you compare Reyes’ second half figures to those of his probable replacement Ruben Tejada, the numbers are shockingly similar:
In such a financially-pressed time for the Mets, is it REALLY worth it for them to commit to 6+ years and well over $100 million to Reyes when they can get almost the same level of production from Tejada for league minimum? Obviously Tejada is not a given source of production by any means, but to be perfectly honest, neither is Reyes anymore.
When Jon Niese strained his hammy in 2010 after tearing it back in 2009, Bobby Ojeda said on SNY that when you have a severe injury to a hamstring, it never completely goes away. It follows you throughout your career and it is something you have to cope with. Now that might work for someone who is only on the field for 6+ innings every five days, but not for a shortstop who relies on his legs for his entire game. Reyes makes his money off of being one of the fastest men to ever step foot on a baseball field, but if his legs give out on him, all you are left with is a good contact hitter with a strong arm; and that is not worth the great deal of money needed to retain him.
As a Met fan, I would love to see Reyes retire in Flushing. His talent is absolutely worth the money he and his agent Peter Greenberg are commanding, but whether his body can withstand another 5,6 or 7 years of wear and tear is a HUGE question mark, making him a risk. A risk that frankly the Mets simply cannot afford to take.
About the Author: Clayton Collier
Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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But but according to the guy who runs this this site the Mets will lose 150 games without Reyes and Ruben Tejada is the worst player evvvvvvvvvveeerrrrrr!
Sarcasm aside great post.
Reyes is a speacial player and 120-130 games a season of his injury free talent is valuable but only in the 10 – 15 million per season range. With Tejada as a middle IF back-up the Mets could keep Reyes for 4 or 5 seasons however, I agree with your post in that Tejada with good defense and a 340 OBP and 275 batting average is still better than league average so spending the $$$ elsewhere may be a better option and keeping Reyes should not be viewed as a must.
While I do not hate Tejada, I think is D is very overrated. he’s not bad in the field by any means and I think he’ll get better with experience. I’ve seen nothing special from him in the field, I think our perception of him has as much to do with the fact that it’s been over 10 years sense we’ve had a “real” 2nd baseman who actually was a 2nd basemen and wasn’t over the hill. Compared to Castillo, Valentin, Matsui, Alomar…Tejada looks great…even with the a few great years with
Alfonzo we had to deal with Baerga and Kent during most of the 90′s.
But the real question in hand is can the Mets “survive” with out Reyes…of course they can survive without him, but the problem is; if the Mets let Reyes walk, then they have nothing to draw the fans out…if Reyes leaves for a reasonable contract…then it further proves that the Mets are in a “liquidation” process and are more concerned about cutting payroll than winning. If they don’t show the fans that they are trying, then nobody’s going to spend money and watch and the money problems they currently have will only get worse.
There’s a lot of problems with this:
1) Your hoping that Tejada can hit that good for a full season – You really expect him to hit .300 next year? I like Tejada, but I think saying he’s a .300 hitter, is a big stretch. I would expect him to hit about .270, and give us good deefense which is fine…..but he’s just not even close to the player Reyes is – Reyes has more speed, more power, better defense, ect. Tejada is a nice player, but he’s no Jose Reyes.
2) Because your moving Tejada to SS, you have to play a weaker player at 2B. Your options would be Turner(who’s really a backup) and Murphy who’s had two season ending injuries playing there two years in a row. He’s just not a 2B, so your going hurt your defense by doing this.
3) You can’t just completley dismiss Reyes’ 1st half stats because he got hurt. You can make a lot of hitters seem worse than they are if you take out half of their season – It’s really unfair.
4) your saying he wasn’t the same after he got hurt, ok, for July and August he wasn’t the same, but in September he put up around the same numbers as he was doing all year. He hit .340 in Sept….and hit about .500 for the last week of the year, to pass Braun for the batting title.
NOT HEALTHY ENOUGH? BASE UPON CAREWFULLY INSURING HE DOESN’T REINJURE THE HAMMY DUE TO TOO ARLY A RETURN? WHO’S KIDDING WHOM? ANYONE WHO’S LISTENED TO KEITH EXPOND GREATLY ON THE ISSUE OF REINJURY TO HAMSTRINGS BY RUSHING BACK AND BELIEVES THAT ONLY PERTAINS TO REYES IS A FOOL WHO HASN’T PAID MUCH ATTENTION. IT’S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO NAME ONE DYNAMIC BASESTEALER IN MLB HISTORY WHO WASN’T PLAGUED BY LEG ISSUES YET FINDING ONE WHO ENDURED 2 D/L STINTS & STILL MANAGING A BATTING TITLE MOST LIKELY STARTS & ENDS WITH REYES. THE COMPARISONM TO TEJADA IS A PECIYUOS ARGUEMENT THAT HOLDS NO WATER INASMUCH AS NEARLY EVERY OPPOSING TEAM HAS CONTAINING REYES AS A #1 CONCERN Vs NYM WHILE THEY ALL CONSISTANTLY IGNORE TEJADA AS ANY CONSIDERATION WHATSOEVER. REYES ON 1B, PITCHER, CATCHER, SS, 2B ALL CONCERNED. TEJADA ON 1B, WHO NOTICES? BTW REYES ON BASE ANYWHJERE DICTATES HIGH % OF FASTRBALLS TO BATTER…ADVANTAGE BATTER.
U CAN NOT COMPARE IN ANYWAY TERJADA & REYES DIDN’T THE NONBELIEVING NAYSAYERS SEE ENOUGH BORING NYM LOSSES IN ’09? OR THOSE 2 STINTS IN ’11. THE ’09 ISSUE RESOLVED BYU REMOVING THE DAMAGED TENDON RENDERING THAT ISSUE NONRECURRING. THE ’10 THYROID ISSUE ATTRIBUTED TO TEMPORARY DIET ALTERATION HEAVY ON SEAFOOD(IODINE RICH STAOLES
0 DIET HAS RETURNED TO NORMAL AS HAS THE THYROID LEVELS. EVEN A CHRONIC HYPERACTIVE THYROID CONDITION IS EASUILY MONITORED & CONTROLLED VIA Rx.
ON AVERAGE OVER HIS ENTIRE CAREER REYES HAS PLAYED IN 77% OF ALL GAMES CONTRACTED TO PLAY IN AN IDENTICAL CAREER % TO RICKEY HENDERSON, THE SAME CAGELINERS FEARED WAQS TOO INJURIOUS FOR NYY TO INK IN ’86! SEE THEY ARE AT LEAST CONSISTANT! STATISTICALLY SPEAKING DUE TO HIS EXTTRORDINARY TALENTS REYES IS AN OUTLYER AND AS SUCH DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO NORMAL STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WITH THE PLODDERS & BASE TO BASERS. TRY THIS EXPERIMENT… TAKE YOUR CHOICE TO COMPARE TO REYES HIS TOTAL YERARS PLAYED X 162G AND DIVIDE THE RESULT INTO HIS TOTAL GAMES ACTUALLY PLAYED TO REACH A PARTICIPATION RATE. AS I STATED REYES’ IS 73% AS IS RICKEY’S & FURCAL’S TWO LEADOFF TYPES KNOWN FOR SYNAMIC GAME CHANGING DURING THEIR PRIMES & AS SUCH COMPARABLE BY DEFINITION TO REYES OD THOSE MOST NOTEWORTHY AS BASESTEALERS @ THEIR PEAKS U WILL DISCOVER THE LOW RATE SET BY VINCE COLEMAN @ 62% & A HIGH SET BY MAURY WILLS OF 84% WITH REYES,FURCAL,HENDERSON NESTLED TOGETHER AROUND THE MIDPOINT.
ALDERSON, HIMSELF, INDICATED IN HIS BURKHARDT HOT STOVE INNAUGRAL INTERVIEW THAT 2 TWENTY MILLION/YR PLAYERS IS ABOUT AVG. FYI NYM ONLY HAVE 1 @ 20M+, SANTANA, REYES WOULD B #2 & AFFORDABLE WITHIN 100M PAYROLL. INSURING AGAINST INJURY IS AVAILABLE TO MITIGATE FIN’L CONCERNS.
SIGNING REYES SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER @ 5Y OR 5+OPTION(S) IF NECESSARY.
To the guy who types in all caps. 1) you’re a retard. 2) Rickey Henderson. 3) Bye
To AL and those who complain about Caps…
Did you know that 62 can not type on his own and uses a speech to text program that makes his posts for him and now that you know that don’t you feel like an insensitive retard?
I suggest those who have problems with the way people post should get a fricken life!
METSIE, THANKS; BUT TO BE 100% ACCURATE A POST-SURGICAL STROKE TOOK OUT MY LEFTSIDE REDUCING ME TO ONEHANDED TYPING WHICH I FIND MUCH EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH WITH CAPSLOCK ENGAGED. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE ALWAYS THOSE CHILDISH DOLTS WHO CRITICIZE THE MESSENGER RATHER THAN ADDRESS THE MESSAGE PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY’VE RUN OUT OF BRAINCELLS.
IT WOULD BE REFRESHING ID THIS AL ACTUALLY ADDRESSED HIS CONCERNS WITH THE CONTENT OF MY POST RATHER THAN THE TYPEFACE USED.
I stand corrected 62, I actually was just trying to find a way of saying it without using medical reasons for your privacy.
It was a guess.
Considering the intelligence of the comments he made I’m sure he is VERY good at one hand typing! Thier sex life requires it I’ll bet! LOL
My feeling is if all you have to counter a post is grammar, spelling or typing it’s just proof that you can’t really argyue with what was said and resort to the childish behavior of attacking the poster not the post points!
Kids! Who needs them! LOL
my apologies METS62FAN I was unaware of your issue. I hope you accept my apologies. Thanks for making me aware of this Metsie.
AL, I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY CONDITIONALLY AS I’D HOPE NOT TO SEE ANY MORE “PERSONAL ATTACKS” AS A RETORT BY U TO ANYONE WHOSE VALID OPINION DIFFERS FROM YOUR OWN VALID OPINION. SUPPOSEDLY WE ARE ALL MET FANS HERE, SOME OPTIMISTICLY, SOME PESSIMISTICALLY, THOUGH I FEAR THE PESSIMISTIC MET FANS SUFFER MORE FROM SUBMISSIVENESS. THEN AGAIN, THERE ARE NO MEDICAL LETTERS AFTER MY ACTUAL NAME.
AL, LET ME REMIND U OF THE TYPICALLY IMPROPER FORM OF COUNTERPOINTING AN ARGUEMENT HERE ON MMO…
I’D ONLY ACCEPT AN APOLOGY FROM SOMEONE VOWING TO NEVER, EVER DO THIS AGAIN:
To the guy who types in all caps. 1) you’re a retard. 2) Rickey Henderson. 3) Bye
POINT NO. 1 IS INTOLERABLE, NO. 2, INDECIPHERABLE LEAVING NO. 3 AS THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE REPLY U OFFERED.
LESSON OF THE DAY, IS OVER!
AL I HOPE THESE UPCOMING HOLIDAYS ARE EXCEPTIONALLY MEMORABLE FOR U & THOSE U LOVE….’62
Really dude……All uppercase? Run-on sentences? And every other word is spelled wrong? Are we supposed to read this and think you are even halfway intelligent????
Please see Metsie’s response above. And stop being, well, you.
No baseball comments just some talk about how a guy types?
Thats not even an 1/8th of the way intelligent!
Especially when the reason for it was posted above!
GROW UP PEOPLE!
Caps are not a bad thing!
Either you can read it or you can’t!
It’s obvious from the posts being made that it wouldn’t matter how well typed it was because your an idiot and couldn’t understand it if it was typed with perfect punctuation!
I would ban anyone who makes comments like that…Really we don’t need them if thats all they are bringing to the table!
I expect apologies from all who have made such comments!
62 is one of the best posters here!
If you can’t deal with what he types the problem is in your mirror not his typing!
Karen forman, that was as unsensitive as saying women belong in the kitchen. i am not sure whether you are aware of 62 condition, but he’s a great person with knowledge of baseball and the mets, he respects everyone opinion and even on disgreement he shows respect, he deserves as much respect as the next person if not even more. you owe him an apology…
KAREN, HERE’S AN IDEA, PLEASE SIT ON YOUR LEFT HAND ALL DAY AND TYPE FOLLOWING AS MANY GRAMATICAL RULES AS U WISH AS SOON AS U GET PERFECTED AT IT YOU CAN RIGHTFULLY CRITICIZE. OTHERWISE, IF IT’S TOO MUCH FOR U TO BEAR, AS SOON AS U READ MY MONIKER ATOP THE POSTING, IGNORE IT. SINCE, TO MY PERSONAL RECOLLECTION THIS IS MY VERY FIRST RESPONSE AIMED DIRECTLY AT U
IF U CHOOSE TO READ MY POST, THE RESPONSIBILITY, IMO, IS YOURS AS U CHOSE TO READ IT. I’M DOING THE BEST I CAN WITH WHAT I’VE GOT.
CAN U SAY THE SAME THING?
Well 62 as I tried to point out below….
The attempt to LIVE with the loss of Reyes has forced some to use the generic term “INJURY” as an excuse to accept the loss! Sure if a guy like Sanatan making 20+Mil gets hurt and misses time it can hurt you and might make the contract less attractive.
But no player in the MLB has ever had to retire, lost BA, or missed complete seasons due to a hamstring pull!
Sure they take a while to heal mostly because they are the largest muscle in the human body!
The way to avoid it is not to avoid the player but to have the medical and S&C Staff that does a good job of making sure Reyes is well stretched and cared for so that the muscle doesn’t pull!
To say Reyes is an injury risk on the same order as re-signing Beltran or re-signing Santana to an extention is dishonest. (and they are being more dishonest with themselves in the name of accepting the loss more than a SELL of the concept in this case)
Yet the Sandy Apologists seem to have no problem signing injury risks like Young and Capuano for a 1-2 year contract do they?
It’s not the injury that is their main problem it is the money. But they don’t want to say that because then it looks like Moneyball!
Which is really what letting Reyes go is all about!
DON’T SPEND MONEY!
We even saw yesterday an attempt to start on the proccess and excuse making for accepting Wright’s leaving as the next MONEYBALL move!
They quote Stats but it has nothing to do with the stats at all…
The decisions are being made based on the money they get paid and nothing more.
Everything else including these Injury claims are all just smokescreen to hide the REAL philosophy being applied here…
MONEYBALL!
You get PAID you get sent packing!
Compare what Reyes did for 4 Mil compared to what Carrasco got (1.2m) last year!
Funny you don’t see any of the Sandy Apologists complaining about that WASTED SPENDING!
In fact they support making more wasted FA signings just like it this year!
METSIE, LET ME BEGIN BY THANKING BOTH U & ALEX68 FOR THE KIND WORDS IN DEFENSE OF MY TYPING ISSUE. AS REGARDS THIS SOCALLED REYES’ INJURY ISSUE, I JUST RECENTLY ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE IN MY OPINION IN A NOTE I SENT TO A SMALL GROUP OD SPECIAL METFAN FRIENDS & FAMILY MEMBERS IN WHICH I STATED:
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IT’S GOTTEN ME THINKING HOW VERY,VERY QUIET THE F/A MARKET HAS BEEN IN TOTAL OF THE TOP 5 F/As REYES,FIELDER,PUJOLS, WILSON,BURHELE THERE’S BEEN GLACIER LIKE PROGRESS OR ZERO MULTICLUB INVOLVEMENT. IT HARKENS ME BACK TTO THE “GOOD OLE” COLLUSION DAYS; WHICH ISN’T AS FEASABLE AFTER SUCH A CLEAN CBA PASSAGE COULD IT? TRUE MIAMI IS SUPPOSEDLY THE ONLY ONE TO ACT WITH TOKEN SIZED “PLEASE OUTBID IT” OFFERS TO REYES & PUJILS CERTAINLY AND SUPPOSEDLY TO BURHELE @ SOME UNKNOWN TOKEN LEVEL.
MY THEORY IS LORIA IS DELIBERATELY MAKING THESE OFFERS AT THIS EARLY JUNCTURE DESIGNED TO BE SURPASSED BY SOMEONE SO AS TO COUNTER THE PROPOSED UNION ATTACKS ON HIS OWNERSHIP FOR DELIBERATELY UNDERMINING HIS PLAYER’S EARNINGS WITH HIS NEW ABILITY TO COUNTER- CLAIM HE MADE A VALID ATTEMPT TO SPEND FOR HIS NEW STADIUM; BUT WAS THWARTED BY OTHER TEAMS EXCEEDING HIS ABILITY TO COMPETE. AS I SAID “TOKEN” POSITION PLACING OFFERS NEVER INTENDED TO LAND A NEW FISH FOR MIAMI. LET’S CALL IT PLACING A LINE WITH AN UNBAITED HOOK IN THE WATER & CALLING IT FISHING. IN REGARDS TO THIS FLAP OF “CONCERN OVER REYES’ RECENT INJURY ISSUES, I BELIEVE NO INTELLIGENT GM HAVING DONE HIS HOMEWORK, WILL ALLOW SUCH A NON-ISSUE TO HINDER HIS PURSUIT OF THE MOST EXCITING PLAYER IN MLB AS IF U EXAMINE HIS HISTORY SINCE 2009 U SEE THIS UNDER THE COVERS DETAIL;
YEAR | GAMES PAID | GAMES PLAYED | GAMES MISSED | REASON
2009 162 36 126 TORN HAMSTRING TENDON
2010 162 133 29 HYPER THYROID CAUSED BY DIET
2011 162 126 36 2 HAMSTRING STRAINS
THE TENDON ISSUE OF ’09 WAS SURGICALLY REMOVED & THUS THIS INJURY RENDERED NON-RECURRING
WHILE THE 2010 HYPER-THYROID ISSUE WAS DIAGNOSED AS A SINGULAR CONDITION TEMPRORAILY BROUGHT ABOUT DUE TO A DIETARY ISSUE FOCUSED UPON TOO MUCH SEASFOOD INGESTION DUE TO DOMINICAN, “OLD WIVES” BELIEF THAT SEAFOOD CONTIBUTES TO LEG STRENGTH & ENDURANCE BY JOSE’S PRIMARY MEAL PREPARER(HIS MOTHER) DOCTORS INSTRUCTED BOTH REYESES ON HIS DIETARY REQUIREMENT FOR THE FUTURE & THUS THIS IS A NONRECURRING CONCERN
WHILE 2011 DEMONSTRATED THE NATURAL RISK OF DYNAMIC BASERUNNERS TO ENDURE HIGHER THAN NORMAL INSTANCES OF LEG INJURY STRAINS, SPRAINS & TEARS. THESE 2 SUCCESSIVE D/L STINTS WERE BIOTH KEPT TO THE MINIMUM 15 DAY PERIODS FOR THE MPOST PART AS THE ADDITIONAL DAYS WERE MNGT PRECAUTIONARY DECISIONS FOR REST IN SEASON AS A MEASURE NEEDED BY MOST HIGH OCTAINE PLAYERS; HOWEVER DESPITE THE MISSING GAMES JOSE STILL MANAGED A BATTING TITLE AS WELL AS BEING CONSIDERED HIS TEAM’S MVP FOR THAT SEASON! A LEVEL OF PLAY THAT WOULD HAVE PERCHED HIM ATOP IN VALUE TO NEARLY EVERY NONPLAYOFF TEAM ROSTER IN 2011.
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WHILE MANY OOHED & AHHED OVER THAT 6Y/90M SOCALLED JESTURE TOWARDS JOSE FEW TOOK THE TIME TO EVALUATE IT FOR THE GARBAGE IT REALLY WAS 14M A YR FOR 6 YEARS TO THE DEFENDING BATTING TITLEIST COMING OFF OF A SUBMARKET 11M/YR DEAL. IF REYES CONSIDERED IT FOR ONE SECOND HIS AGENT IS TRULY INEPT.
METSIE, WHAT HAS NEVER FAILED TO ASTOUND ME IS THAT THOSE HISTORIC COMPLAINERS Re: JOSE HAVE GONE DIRECTLY FROM COMPLANING ABOUT HIS UNFULFILLED POTENTIAL TO WANTING TO DISCARD HIM AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR OF PRIME ACHIEVEMENT OR FIRST MAJOR STEP IN POTENTIAL FULFILLMENT.
IT IS NON OTHER THAN LUDICROUS TO CHOOSE TO FOCUS ON HIS PAST RATHER THAN HIS FUTURE NEXT 4 YRS OF HIS 5Y PRIME(AGE 28-32).
THERE ARE TOO MANY WHO WOULD RATHER DENY HIS ACHIEVEMENT OF 2011; BY DOWNPLAYING IT AS A CONTRACT PUSH RATHER THAN CREDIT TO THE NATURAL UNDENIABLE RESULT OCURRING ONCE REYES ENTERED HIS PRIME DURING HIS FIRST EVER FULL SEASON IN THE BALLPARK DESIGNED FOR HIM.
THEY’RE CHANGING THE DIMENSIONS? I EXPECT JOSE’S TRIPLE COUNT TO DECREASE; BUT HR COUNT TO ELEVATE HELL, LOOK AT HIS SIZE HE’S NO ORDNEZ, HARRELSON,WEISS SLAPPER, CONTACT HITTER. YET THEY EWANT TO REVERT BACK TO THAT SMALLER SS VERSION IN TEJADA. WHY? IS THEIR FEAR OF A PLAYER WHO DOESN’T FIT THE FORMULAS THAT BAD?
PERHAPS I’M A DOLT IN NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RISK IS IN OFFERING JOSE 5Y/110M WITH A 6th YR OPTION CONTINGENT UPON HIS COMPLETEING 75% OF ALL GAMES PRIOR DURING THE FIRST 5Y AS HIS CAREER MARK IS 73% TO DATE.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FOR PLAYERS WITH AN ESTABLISHED INJURY HIASTORY THERE IS AVAILABLE CONTRACT DISABILITY INSURANCE UP TO A 5Y SPAN TO COVER UP TO 85% OF LOST $$$ DUE TO INJURY RELATED UNAVAILABILITY(SEE MO VAUGHN) IF CORRECT, THIS RESOLVES ANY LOST $$$ CONCERN AS THEY SUFFERRED IN ’09. AS TO LOST PRODUCTIVITY AS I SEE IT, BY LOSING REYES FOR HIS ENTIRE FUTURE, U ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT TEJADA AS YTOUR PERCEIVED BEST AVAILABLE REPLACEMENT. BY SIGNING REYES & LOSING HIM TO A D/L STINT TEJADA IS STILL YOUR AVAILABLE REPLACEMENT. HISTORICALLY AS I STATED REYWS HAS PLAYED IN 73% OF HIS CAREER GAMES CONTRACTED FOR. IF TEJADA IS HIS “ACCEPTABLE” REPLACEMENT FOR 100% OF THE GAMES PLAYED BY THE “LET HIM GO” CONTINGENT HOW CAN HE NOT BE CONSIDERED “ACCEPTABLE FOR A MERE 27% OF THE GAMES? FOR THOSE SABREMETRICALLY INCLINED TRY THIS FORMULA QUESTION WHICH IS GREATER?:
A) 162G WITH REYES@ SS
B) 162G WITH TEJADA @ SS
C) 118G(73%of 162) WITH REYES + 44G(27% of 162) WITH TEJADA
PERSONALLY I CHOOSE A AS MY CORRECT ANSWER. UNDER THE NEW CBA KEEPING TEJADA ON THE ROSTER AS BACKUP COSTS APPROX 500K AS MLB MINIMUM THERE ARE CERTAINLY ENOUGH SS IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM TO ENSURE THE CONSTANT AVAILABILITY OF A MINIMUM WAGED ALTERNATE SS AS REYES B/U. THE ADDED INSURANCE COST IS A MEAGER ADDITION TO THE COST OF COMPETING PROPERLY IN THE NL EAST.
EVERYONE PLEAS ACCEPT MY APOLOGY FOR THE VERBOSE RETORT; HOWEVER, I SEE THIS AS A VERY COMPLEX CONSIDERATION NOT EASILY DISMISSED BY LABELS OF INJURY PRONE OR INJURY HISTORY. IMO HISTORY CONCERNS ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO PLAYERS IN THEIR 20s. IN 1986 POST & NEWS WRITERS CAUTIONED AGAINST NYY INKING OF HENDERSON FOR THE IDENTICAL CONCERNS. HOW’S THAT HISTORY?
Well 62 you know how little patience I have for bull (LOL) and anyone taking a poster to task for how they typed, spell, or use the laguage is about as much Bull as it gets! LOL
You make great points and if they are hard to read that says more about the reader than the typist! LOL
So I’ll always have your back there!
RE: Loria, He finally has money to burn. I’m a Mimai Dolphin fan and was even a season ticket holder back when it was still called Joe Robbie stadium. (I was much more money liquid back then! LOL) The Marlins were treated like bad tenants in a tenement there! It was probably the worst stadium lease deal in recorded history!
Dolphins made more money in the stadium than the Marlins did during home games!
It was really that bad.
The first selloff by Huizenga (who bought and ruined the Dolphins) was all about him being turned down for his own stadium so he could make enough to keep players.
The Second selloff was because they couldn’t afford to resign who got them there.
With the new stadium they can essentially double maybe triple their money if they can get folks in there. And the money they will make would more than cover Reyes and something else, especially if those signings mean people believe they might compete!
So thats why Loria is ready to spend, because he knows he is going to make a ton more money than he was making before! Sure he took on debt to get it but debt to a rich guy is not the hardship it is to guys like us!
Especially when you own a baseball team and stadium you get all the revenue from!
RE: Quiet FA so far – Really who are the big three? Fielder, Pujols and Reyes. Fielder is looking for stupid money he may just get it but it’s not going to be a quick decision by anyone. Once one signs with someone those dominoes will fall. The second tier is Wilson, Rollins and Beltran. Once the top tier has a signer those will be the next to fall, one might even sign at the Winter meetings. So right now teams are just looking at the fillers they know they can afford and once they get there will decide on if the splash signing is approriate.
As for reyes’ Injury, The Thyroid thing is nothing to me, A Blip and as you said probably due to diet. The Hammy issues while chronic are not something that will cause him to miss YEARS unless he tears it! And Hammy injuries are avoidable with the right trainers and good dilligence!
People forget that high performance means occassional break down. Henderson had the same issues. It can be prevented by good stretching and conditioning. Cosidering how many of our players have been hurt, misdiagnosed and missed extended time due to setback or re-injury it says to me the problem isn’t the players but the staff we have that is charged with keeping them in top physical condition!
And while some folks will use the “Injury Thing” to poo poo on Reyes they don’t seem to have a problem signing and relying on Rehab projects like Young and Capuano.
It’s not the injuries they really care about it’s that they simply don’t want to spend money!
Either so they can blame Wilpon or meet a Moneyball agenda.
The other side is just as bad though.
They complain we don’t spend and then call for boycott which only adds to the excuse for not spending because there is no attendance to support it!
I say if they think 2014 or 2015 is when things will turn around then it’s better to have reyes signed and here to help that along.
METSIE, U & I AGREE ON ALL OF YOUR NYM RELATED STATEMENTS; YET WE DEPART ON THE ISSUE OF LORIA’S SINCERITY; I DO NOT PERCEIVE JEFFREY LORIA AS SOMEONE INTENT UPON REINVESTING PROFITS INTO TEAM IMPROVEMENTS OVER DOUBLING THE LAVISH LIFWSTYLE HE DESPERATELY SEEKS TO HAVE.
Well you could say that if he really was just interested in making more millions he would spend money at all…
Personally I think he is investing so he can sell pieces if not all of the team and stadium to recoup some of his money.
I definitly can see him doing that.
But the only reason he CAN spend now and reach that other goal is because he now will make the money from the stadium he wasn’t making before.
METSIE, OUTSIDE OF ACQUIRING OZZIE, WHAT $$$ HAS HE ACTUALLY SPENT? AS FOR HIS OFFERS TO REYES, OUJOLS & BUEHRLE I DON’T DEFINE PUTTING A STRING WITH AN UNBAITED HOOK IN THE WATER AS FISHING JUST AS TENDERING OBVIOUS LOWBALL OFFERS IS NOT TRYING TO ACQUIRE.
Well it has yet to be seen who he gets as none of the guys he has targeted hassigned anywhere else either.
He gave Reyes a lowball offer compared to lets say Crawford, but thats knowing that with all the interest they have showed Reyes that Reyes will not just sign somewhere else without at least calling them.
In fact he would probably call them before he bothered to call us!
Reyes won’t talk to us until he has a deal he is ready to sign and if Sandy even HINTS that he might not be interested at that number, Reyes will sign that deal and thumb his nose at Sandy!
The Marlins you have to admit are at least making offers.
More than you can say about us!
METSIE, MIAMI’S RUMORED OFFER TO REYES HAS BEEN REPORTED @ 6Y/90M OR 15M PER SEASON AND BILL MADDEN QUESTIONS THE VERACITY OF THE AMOUNT CITING THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN 90M OVERALL.
EITHER WAY CONSIDERING REYES IS COMING OFF OF WHAT’S WIDELY CONSIDERED AN “UNDERVLAUED” CONTRACT WITH THE METS @ 11M FOR 2011; HOW CAN ANYONE CONSIDER LOCKING IN THE DEFENDING BATTING CHAMPION FOR A MERE 4M/YR INCREASE OVER 5 FULL YEARS AS A SERIOUS BID
FORGET CRAWFORD, NEITHER REYES NOR GEREENBERG HAVE EVER MENTIONED THE NAME CRAWFORD, THE PRESS HAS, FRED HAS; BUT THEY HAVEN’T!
REGARDLESS A 4M RAISE IS INSULTING TO THE BATTING CHAMPION. ARE U KIDDING? HELL, LORIA PROBABLY GIVES HIS ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE STAFFS LARGER % INCREASES. IF ALDERSON BALKS AT THAT THEN THERE IS ZERO SINCERITY OR VERACITY LEFT IN FLUSHING WHERE THE GIRDERS OF THE SHEA BRIDGE SHOULD RUST FROM NO TRAFFIC
Well 62 when your the first to make an offer the offer can be that low.
Point is if Sandy knows what he is comfortable with he should offer it!
And if thats not enough at least you/he/me knows we need to look elsewhere!
What the Marlins offered is still more than we have at this point and it seems like it may be more than anyone else has offered either.
Anyone who does not realize that Jose Reyes is a great player is nuts. He is truly a 5 tool player and the most dynamic player in the game since Ricky Henderson. HOWEVER……
HE IS A HUGE RISK IF SIGNED FOR A LONG TERM CONTRACT……
As it stands now, the Mets are not a contender in 2012. How could they be with the pitching staff they have? Our division rivals have improved in general but we have not. There is no quick fix for this team. The guy in charge has made it clear that he will not shoot the moon to resign Jose in a bidding war. Guess what? No other term has offered Jose a huge payday because he is a risk. When all is said and done, Jose could end up resigning if he is reasonable and understands the risk involved. If Jose doesn’t, then he will be gone and we will get compensation picks to help in the future…..
It’s time to stop beating this to death and just wait a little while longer!.
ALAN, HOW VERY CIVALIZED OF U; HOWEVER CONSIDERING THE ONLY REPORTED OFFER REYES HAS RECEIVED WAS A MEASLY 6Y/90M(15M PER CURRENTLY @ 11M IN ’11) ONE FROM MIAMI THE ISSUE OF A BIDDING WAR OR OUTLANDISH TERM LENGTH ARE INCONSEQUENTIAL AT THIS JUNCTURE. AS I BELIEVE THE FRONTOFFICE IS MONITORING MOST POPULAR NYM SITES TO MEASURE FAN REACTION, YOUR’S WOULD ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED WITH AN 80M PAYROLL INSTEAD OF 100M W/REYES IN TOW. AS SANDY INDICATED REYES IS THE LONE BIG TICKET TARGET & MONEY WILL NOT BE REALLOCATED IF HE MOVES ON.
THERE ARE REALLY ONLY 2 VALID CONCERNS ATTRIBUTABLE TO REYES INJIRY ISSUES 1) FINANCIAL LOSS OR 2) PRODUCTIVITY LOSS. ACQUIRING CONTRACT DISABILITY INDSURANCE FOR A 5Y DEAL IS A MUST THAT WOULD MITIGATE THAT CONCERN. IF TEJADA IS ADEQUATE REPLACEMRNT FOR NOT INKING REYES THAN HE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ADEQUATE FOR AN INJURED REYES.
WITH BOTH ISSUES RESOLVED THERE IS NO VALID CAUSE TO NOT AT LEAST OFFER A 5Y INSUTRED CONTRACXT + AN OPTION CONTINGENT UPON PLAYING IN 75% OF ALL GAMES BET 2012-2017. THE FIRST 5 WOULD BE COVERED BY INSURANCE THE OPTION LIKELY WOULDN’T BE UNLESS BY THAT TIME ANOTHER AVENUE IS AVAILABLE
SINCE THE CAUSE FOR HIS ’09 ABSENCE WAS SURGICALLY REMOVED(HAMSTRING TENDON) THAT ISSUE IS NOE NON-RECURRING AS IS HIS THYROID ISSUE CAUSED BY DIETARY ALTERATIONS LEAVING ONLY NORMAL LEG INJURY CONCERNS PRESENT WITH ECVERY DYNAMIC BASERUNNER LIKE THE 2 STINST LAST SEASON HE STILL MANAGED TO WIN THE BATTING TITLE IN SPITE OF.
Yes please list all the MLB players who ended their career due to Hamstring pulls please!
ALAN? CONSIDERING THE AVAILABILITY OF CONTRACT INSURANCE? WHAT IS THE RISK U PERCEIVE? OR ARE U JUST MIMICING UNINTELLIGENT RABBLE ROUSING PRESS PUNDITS?
Actually, insurers have stopped offering policies on big money long term deals. There’s no law against it or requiring it, they just used to do it and now they see it as a bad investment.
DONAL, AS FAR AS I CAN DETERMINE, PERSONALLY, THEY’VE WITHDRAWN ANY OFFERRINGS BEYOND A 5Y COMMITMENT; BUT IN THE MATTER OF A REYES’ CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANYONE, I WOULD CONSIDFER ACQUIRING SUCH INSURANCE AS A ‘FIXED’ COST OF DOING BUSINESS & AS SUCH A MANDATE FOR INKING REYES LONGTERM(5Y MAX)
First off, I was mistaken, the process was’t stopped altogether, merely drastically changed in the insurance companies’ favor.
The policies now go for 2 year stints and renewals are mutual options. Also, the payoffs are far less than they used to be.
“, I WOULD CONSIDFER ACQUIRING SUCH INSURANCE AS A ‘FIXED’ COST OF DOING BUSINESS & AS SUCH A MANDATE FOR INKING REYES LONGTERM(5Y MAX)”
I’m sure most teams already do that. In any business, salary is only a portion of the cost of personnel. MLB also has mandatory disability insurance for all players.
However, 5 years is still considered long term and we don’t know what other offers Reyes is actually going to get.
Someone may very well see a Crawford type deal for him as agood idea.
DONAL, IF U RESEARCH U WILL NOT FIND MY EVER ADVOCATING SIGNING REYES AT ALL COSTS. I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THERE SHULD BE A MAXIMUM CEILING OF 5Y/110M BEYOND WHICH LOSING HIM ELSEWHERE( A 7 OY OFFER) IS AN ACCEPTABLE LOSS; HOWEVER TO ABDICATE AS THEY ARE PRESENTLY DOING IS ILLEGITIMATE SINCERITY @ RETAINING REYES. FACED WITH THE CHOICE OF INVESTING 22M A YR TO ACHIEVE A 100M PAYROLL WITH REYES OR PASSING ON REYES AND COMPETING IN 2012 WITH AN 80M PAYROLL IN NYC. ONLY THE FORMER IS ACCEPTABLE SINCERITY TOWARDS FIELDING THE “BEST AFFORDABLE TEAM”.
PERSONALLY I WOULD CAP MY OFFER TO JOSE @ 5Y GUARANTEED @ 22M PER + AN OPTION YR GUARANTEED CONTINGENT UPON HIS COMPLETION OF 75% OF THE GAMES FROM 2012-2017 OR PLAYING IN A MINIMUM OF 608G DURING THAT PERIOD. FOLDING THE TENT SOONER THAN THAT LEVEL IS, TO ME, UNACCEPTABLE ESPECIALLY AS REYES IS SUPPOSEDLY THE ONE & ONLY SIGNIFICANT PLAYER BEING TARGETED. WITH NO REALLOCATION OF FUNDS TO OTHER PURSUITS. HOW CAN ANY FAN PREFER THE WILPONS POCKETING THAT 22M INSTEAD OF ALLOCATING IT TO REYES?
I didn’t say you claimed a Crawford deal was a good idea. I’m just pointing out that it would be a possibility and we both agree that it is overkill.
However there is nothing to say the Mets have given up on Reyes. He had every intention of hitting the free agent market. They can’t sign him to a contract without him actually being there.
In case you haven’t noticed, none of the other 29 teams have signed him either. Only the Marlins even have a confirmed offer, and most baseball writers agree that they are just making a show.
DONAL, HOW LONG HAVE U BEEN ON THAT HEAVY MEDICATION? ARE U ALLOWED TO DRIVE THAT WAY? I’M SUPRISED U R ALLOWED NEAR A COMPUTER UNDER SUCH HEAVY INFLUENCE. WHERE DID I IMPLY U SAID CRAWFORD? I BELIEVE I STATED THE PRESS MONOTONES HAVE SAID IT & FRED HAS SAID IT; BUT U? NO I NEVER INTIMATED U.
DONAL, IGNORE THE ABOVE; MUST BE MY FRUGS INTERREACTING, MEA CULPA.
Well Clayton I have to point this out…
To say he is not healthy enough to complete a 4-7 year contract is trying to suggest that the hamstring will cost him a season or worse end his career.
Can you name all the players who were forced to retire due to hamstring issues?
Can you show me a list of players who have lost entire seasons due to a bad hamstring?
On a torn hammy maybe but on a pulled hammy?
The Sandy apologists (and I’m not including you in that group Clay) like to use the generic “INJURY” as an excuse for not signing Reyes. “Injury” can be as trivial as a Flu bug or as drastic as a limb falling off!
Yes Reyes has been hurt and missed time mostly due to problems with his legs. Most prolific base stealers/speed related players have these things and frequently.
But this attempt to make Reyes’ injuries the same GOOD EXCUSE to avoid a long term contract as lets say what Santana has been through or is as RISKY as re-signing Beltran, is not really honest nor even close to being similar!
As for his batting average drop on his return, it should be pointed out that his BA going down also coincides with the loss of Beltran and Murphy in the lineup. Hitting over .300 is good hitting no matter how you slice it. The drop in BA was quite reasonable and not a product of his injury just a testament to how hot he was before he tweaked his Hamstring!
And despite everyone’s penchant for calling Reyes Injury proned we forget that from 2005-2008 he played in 161, 153, 160, 159 games consecutivly. Starting in 2009 Reyes was not the only one to go down to injury.
Beltran, Delgado, Church, Castillo all went down and seeing how the Beltran situation was screwed up you have to wonder if the injuries are a knock on the player or the strength/conditioning/medical staff who oversee the players and are charged with keeping them healthy!
While it may be a foregone conclusion that Reyes is leaving and I understand people are grasping at straws to try and find a decent reason to accept the loss,
It doesn’t take into account the fact that if Beltran had healthy seasons, if Sanatana was not hurt the last two years, If David Wright and Jason Bay thought more about good contact than Fences and we had remained competitive or made the playoffs
Jose reyes would have been the guy most likely to win the MVP for our team!
even WITH the missed time due to hamstrings!
Reyes has not played a full season since 2008. And the Mets record the last 2 years with and without him is virtually the same. take the mongo glasses off please.
AL, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? THEY ARE NOT SPENDING THE MONEY ANYWHERE ELSE. REYES IS A PREMERE PLAYER BY ANY MEASURE LEAVING U THE CHOICE OF A METS TEAM NOT ADDING ANY PREMERE PLAYERS OR ADDING REYES. HOW COULD U OPT FOR THE LATTER? DO U LIKE LOSING THAT BADLY? HAVE U EVER WATCHED A MET GAME OFF OF THE OPOSITION BROADCAST? IF U HAVE U WOULD KNOW THAT FROM THE TIME HE DEBUTED HE HAS BEEN A CONSISTANT CONCERN TO EVERY OPPOSITION TEAM, NOT BELTRAN, NOT WRIGHT, NOT DELGADO; BUT BE IT GNATS,BRAVES,REDS,DODGERS, OR INTERLEAGUE YANKS,ORIOLES ONE OF THEIR “KEYS TO SUCCESS” HAS ALWAYS BEEN KEEPING REYES OFF THE BASES! REYES LEADS THE CONCERN PARADE & HOW THEY INTEND TO DEAL WITH HIM! THAT, MY FRIEND, IS THE TRUEST MEASURE OF A PLAYER’S VALUE IF HE WASN’T SUCH A FORCE; WHY WOULD HIS BEING ON THER FIELD BE SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, IS THERE ANY CONCERN OVER PAGAN’S OUTAGES?
The Injury excuse is a just a smokescreen!
Has nothing to do to his injury 62 they just use it to hide the fact that they are moneyballing and don’t want to sound like they are!
The guy has pulled hamstrings. One Season was due to a different injury, the following year was due to spending so much time rehabbing that injury that he neglected his hammy legwork in the off season.
What he missed this year was not significant time for a guy who uses his legs, just look at henderson’s numbers!
Didn’t stop him from getting into the Hall or playing until his mid 40′s!
A point lost on all those who cite the injuries as an excuse to play moneyball!
Yeah he hasn’t played a full sason, Yet still won the batting title didn’t he?
You act like he missed entire seasons!
He didn’t!
And when he played he was the MVP of the team!
AL, PLEASE SUPPLY US WITH YOUR RESOURCE FOR THAT SPLIT W% DETAIL OF WITH & WITHOUT REYES. U & ALL OTHER NAYSAYERS REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SIMPLE FACT THAT 2011 WAS THE VERY FIRST FULL SEASON ANYONE HAS WITNESSED OF REYES IN HIS PRIME IN CITIFIELD. TO THINK U ARE WILLING TO DISCARD THE REMAING 4 YRS OF HIS PRIME OUT OF FOOLISH F E A R OF IMAGINED INJURIES..
THE NYM AREN’T LOSERS BECAUSE REYES GETS INJURED THEY ARE LOSERS BVECAUSE OWNERSHIP REFUSES TO REPLACE THE ACE PITCHER, BE IT PEDRO OR JOHAN WHEN IT’S OBVIOUS THEY WILL NOT BE CAPABLE OF PERFORMING AS SUCH. THE SAME GOES FOR WHEN KEY LINEUP PIECES ARE LOST BE IT BELTRAN,DELGADO,DAVIS THE PHILLIES ACQUIRED TO BACKFILLS FOR UTLEY & ROLLINS TO NOT SKIP A BEAT; THE WILPONS ARE CLUELESSLY OPERATING AS IF THEY ARE LANDLORDS REPLACING SINKS & TOILETS EXPECTING GUARANTEED PERIODS OF USAGE BETWEEN REPLACEMENTS. FRED z& SAUL ARE SECOND RATE MLB OWNERS & SECOND RATE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS; INSTEAD OF MAXIMIZING THEIR POSITION IN THE TRIANGLE BY GUARANTEEING INVESTMENT IN THE GEMSTONE OF THE AREA(NYM TEAM) THEY LANGUISH WITH A SUB-.500 EFFORT AMIDST THE STILL FUNCTIONING CHOPSHOPS PERFECT SURROUNDINGS FOR THEIR PROPOSED INVESTMENT LEVEL AS BUD’S BUTT-BOYS.HIS PUPPET BIG MARKET TEAM.
Clayton, this is a bad job. if you don’t take risk how you can sit at a press conference and tell the fans you’re committed to winning? santana was brought here for 7 years, already in his 3rd year the man is hurt and will probably never be the santana he was when we got him, but it was a RISK that needed to be made for the franchise, sometimes things go your way and sometimes they don’t. take vladimir guerrero for example, his back was shot supposedly and the mets wanted to commit for 3 years, the angels got him and how did that turned out? meanwhile we signed burnitz cheaper and how did that worked out? if you don’t take risk then you shouldn’t be GM of any franchise in baseball, unless you’re the pirates, royals or new york mets.
It’s not even a risk!
I mean the guy has hamstring issues, It’s not like he has Knee issues like Murphy or Shoulder issues as Santana and Young have now.
Hammy get pulled and guys who rely on speed always suffer from hamstring pulls.
Sure they take a long time to heal but missing 30 games and winning a batting title is not a big risk compared to what we have gon through with a Santana who has missed entire seasons and your not even sure he is the guy you signed!
Knowing Reyes has a propensity to pyull hammy’s means you make sure your S&C coach dedicates a good amount of time to keeping Reyes’ legs in top condition, make sure he is well stretched out and hell get him massaged after every game to make sure he doesn’t get too tight and risk pulling it.
It’s not like the guy has a joint or ligament issue that could end his career.
He will miss a week or two here and there but his career will not end!
All right! All right! I’m sorry! It’s just impossible to read when it all runs together like that and with so many typos…..Takes too much time to decipher the meaning…….
Karen, it is, but think about how devoted a met fan he is, even though he knows his post are not 100% perfect, he still takes time to write here, we who are more fortunate to write a little better should just be grateful, not mock someone who’s less fortunate. for apologizing the CORE salutes you, if only some females in here were like you MMO will be in harmony.
What does harmony mean to you? Since you continue to bring up crap, even when people aren’t around. Does harmony mean that they must agree with everything you and the boys club says? Does harmony mean to read the lies you make up about me, yet have never apologized yourself when proven otherwise? You are the lowest form of life and have some nerve asking anyone to apologize to another poster with all the lies, and garbage you start here, how you still have posting rights is beyond me. Grow up already
Sigh……………………………………………
Yeah – there’s your standard BS response, are you a mouse or a man?
see, you still baiting, i was told not to fall for baiters, especially someone like you, who as soon as someone makes any comment you think is a personal attack to you, when was the last time you came into this blog and actually made a comment about baseball? all you do is wait for me, bayonne and other to make a comment, then you twist it around and start a fight to get people banned by saying the feminist and blah blah blah, i hope joe D and other can see through you. all i said to her was to apologize to 62 because we all know why he writes like that, yet some ppl just wanna be jerks about it, you and anyone can say all they want to me, i can handle it, but i unlike you don’t bait people and go and complain about them afterwards. i don’t like you and you don’t like me, let’s keep it that way, i don’t even mention your name, but everytime i say something, you come and think is some sort of personal attack to you. STOP BAITING OK!!!!!
You can’t be serious? I am now convinced that you are unstable and have no idea what is going on one minute to the next, I haven’t been here in DAYS and you posted ” if only some females in here were like you MMO will be in harmony.”
And you have the gonads to call ME a baiter? You make up blatant lies and have the gonads to call ME a baiter? I have never ever had anyone banned, but go ahead with your agenda and BS
You are sick and need help…….
How ironic, you haven’t been here for days. exactly how many days? 5 days just like me? i think if you don’t see alex68 on any post they don’t matter to you.. move on already, i need help right!? don’t reply back then
Wouldn’t a mouse have said “squeak…….”, not “sigh…………”?
Please do every met fan a favor Jose.Sign with another team so all this knashing of teeth and whining about you might end by spring training.Good luck to you Jose and if you sign with Miami i will watch all your visits to Citifield in person.Did i miss something the last 9 years or was i out of town when JR was MVP of the world series that the Mets won with him at ss?
Sorry, you’re a simplistic fool. The Brewers and Dodgers never won anything with Braun and Kemp, they should have never given them those huge contract extensions. Neither won World Series either. Learn about the game then come back here.
Sorry, you’re a simplistic fool”
LMAO, my thoughts exactly, look at cleveland and what happened to them after they let go EVERYONE and started piling up propects and draft picks.. they had better chance with manny, thome, alomar and co then with whatever crap they had.. other than that one good year in 2007 that team has just not being good.
as long as he signs soon someplace so we can at least get out of limbo and move on.
Any, to be honest, teams like the pirates, royals, A’s start doing their shopping after all the real good players are out of the board, once those players who for some reason are consider overprice are out of the way, then the mets front offcie will do some moves.. meanwhile, they’re on hybernation…
Both the Pirates and A’s have made moves. Also, I seem to have missed all the free agent signings by every other team in the league. The two biggest signings so far seem to be Pappelbon and Cuddyer.
Not to mention that agents are now following the Boars plan and waiting until around Christmas before getting ready to sign with someone.
to do what? we can finish fourth with him or without him. we can even finish fifth with him or without him. we need a new team.
youdon’t buildaround yr leadoff hitter. He impacts the next two players in the lineup. You build around middle of the lineup guys, who impact guys before and after them. We are a few years away. Jose will be a few steps slower when we are ready. I do not care abotu entertainment value. Only winning long term. I’ll take the picks
I still want Reyes on this team, but I am about 2 small steps before I’m on your side of the line.
Don’t build around a leadoff hitter?
who ARE we building around?
Pelfrey and Capuano?
Wright who is on the trading block?
You build around your BEST players not send them off an build around your worst!
not true. You build around THE best players, not YOUR best players. And I prefer middle of the lineup guys. We have to go get those players.
Wrong JDon you don’t and can’t build around a player you don’t have!
You get THE best players to build around THE BEST player YOU HAVE!
nonsense. if your players are not good enough you have to get better players.
JDON ARE U NOT PAYIONG ATTENTION HEER? THE TOPIC OF TYHE THREAD IS R E Y E S NOT OTHER PLAYERS. AS ALDERSON HAS CLEARLY STATED HE HAS THE MONEY TO RESIGN REYES; BUT FAILING THAT EFFORT HE IS NOT REALLOCATING IT TO OTHER PLAYER PICJUPS.
CLEARLY THE CHOICE IS THIS: SPOEND THE MONEY TO RETAIN REYES OR PUT THE MONEY BACK IN THE OWNERS’ POCKETS
CLEARLY ANY CONSIDERATUION OF OTHER TEAM’S PLAYERS IS OUT OF THE PICTURE FOR ALDERSON.
JDON THAT LEADOFF HITTER QUESTION IS AS LUDICROUS AS THOSE WHO CRITICIZE JOSE WITH THE INANE QUESTION OF “WHAT HAVE THE WON WITH HIM” AS IF THIS WAS AN NBA TEAM FEATURING A SINGLE SUPERSTAR.
FORGET LINEUP POSITIONING, JDON THE SECRET TO SUCCESS IS TO ENSURE YOU BUILD AROUND YOUR BEST YOUNG PLAYERS PERIOD!
BTW, HOW MANY WOULD CHOOSE TO DENIGRATE MATTINGLY, BOGGS OR GWYNN BY ASKING WHAT DID THEIR TEAMS, NYY,BOSTON, PADRES WIN DURING THEIR TENURES? WELL?
THAT ORIGUINAL QUOTE HAS LONG BEEN ATTRIBTUTABLE TO BRANCH RICKEY AS HIS REFUSAL TO PAY HIS TOP PLAYER(DEBATE RANGES ON THE SPECIFICPLAYER’S NAME AS MANY HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED)
THAT’S SORT OF LIKE CHOOSING TODAY TO QUOTE JEFF LORIA REGARDING THE VALUE OF HIS BEST PLAYERS.
BASEBALL CERTAINLY DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO THE “ONE MAN ARMY” CAPABILITY FACTOR BEYOND A FEW WEEKS OF COMPETITION CERTAINLY AS WE’VE SEEN WITH REGULARITY A JORDAN AS 1 OF 5 CONSTANTLY INVOLVED ON THE FIELD OF PLAY AS 20% OF THE EFFORT CAN CARRY THROUGH AN ENTIRE SEASON. OR AS IN THE NFL AS WE’VE SEEN THE “MANNING COLTS” AS PERENIAL CONTENDERS SLINK TO ABYSMAL NOTHINGS AS THE “PEYTONLESS COLTS”. IN BASEBALL THE DYNAMICS ARE SUCH THAT NO PLAYER, BE IT RUTH, GEHRIG, WILLIAMS, SEAVER, RYAN, PUJOLS CAN SUBSTANTIALLY TURN A MEDIOCRE ROSTER INTO A CONTENDING, WINNING ONE RENDING THE SUPERFLUOUS QUESTION, “WHAT HAVE WE WON WITH YOU?” AS AN “EXCUSE” BY THOSE WHO FAILED TO PUT THE REST OF THE NEEDED PIECES TOGETHER.
JDON? TOO SLOW IN JUST 2 YEARS?
HAVEN’T U EVER HEARD OF A PLAYER’S PRIME PRPODUCTIVITY TERM? REYES WILL BE RIGHT DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS PRIME IN THOSE 2 YRS AS MOST CONTAIN A POSITION PLAYERS PRIME TO AGES 28 THROUGH 32 FIVE YEARS @ 30 REYES MOST LIKELY WILL BE SETTING RECORDS FOR SOMEONE AS HE FINALLY FULFILLS THE POTENTIAL WE’VE ALL AWAITED.
WHAT U ARE PROPOSING IS MERE SOUR GRAPES OR TANTAMOUNT TO COOKING A LARGE GOURMET MEAL ALL DAY THEN TROWING IT IN THE GARBAGE BECAUSE THE FIRST BITE WAS TOO HOT.
I SUPOPOSE TYOUR NEXT COMPLAINT WOULD BE U ARE STARVING FOR NOT EATING ALL DAY…BOO HOO!
did not say “too slow.” Said “slower.” And that can be a big difference with a guy who makes jhis living running. Plus, you must factor in the injury hisstory. Is everyone forgetting that?
He makes his money hitting over .290 not because he steals bases because lets face it he is not a league leader in that category!
His Speed might at best inflates his SLG as he gets third where most guys get doubles!
We would all be just as happy with those doubles! Thats why we have guys like Duda, Wright and Davis on the team!
JDON, U HIDE BEHIND SEMANTICS? THAT IS BENEATH U! I HOLD U IN MUCH HIGHER REGARD THAN SOMEONE WHO RETREATS BEHIND THE WORDMANSHIP SHIELD!
I’LL PLAY ALONG, EXACTLY HOW MUCH SLOWER IS A PLAYER STILL IN THE MIDST OF HIS PRIME PRODUCTIVITY YEARS GOING TO GET?
REMEMBER THE PRODUCTIVITY DESIGNATED TERM aka PRIME IS BASED UPON THE MYRIAD STATISTICAL HISTORIES LONG HELD UNASAILABLE BY MLB.
“we can finish fourth with him or without him. we can even finish fifth with him or without him”
Yep the problem is we can’t finish FIRST without him…the point you all seem to be missing!
lots of teams finished first wit him during his career.
wit +without. He is not essential.
Not US!
What was our record in 2009 without him?
What will be our record next year without him?
Better or Worse than last year?
this is just more met fan mania. Reyes is not as good as people on this board think. I think the rest of the league is telling us that. You do not overpay to keep someone like that.
We have Lost with Jose and can Lose just as easy without him..lets Move on
DOUBLE C IT WILL BE SOOO MUCH EASIER TO LOSE WITHOUT HIM SEE, 2009
HOW CAN U BE SO COMPLETELYFOOLED INTO THINKING THE SOLUTION TO NOT HAVING ENOUGH OF ANYTHING CAN BE RESOLVED BY SUBTRACTION?
I KNOW, U MUST BE AN OBAMA FINANCIAL ADVISOR. ADVOCATING NAT”L DEBT SOLUTION IS BORROWING MORE
Jose reyes is a guy who sets the tone, a table setter. A guy who makes things happen. The mets itself hurt the situation with jose. The mets in it’s self may never have a chance to get another jose reyes type player ever again. The mets just blow opportunity, I spell terrible. We the fans don’t understand their reasons at all. Reyes is a guy you can build around because of his speed and how he leadsoff. I do must say jose needs to bunt more than he does. The farm system is a complete bust. As a whole, the mets are a bust. I hate to say this because i’m a huge lifetime mets fan and will be forever, but i hurt. I say to these players you don’t want to win, hyou don’t want to be hear, well fine goodbye. We need passion, guts, not afraid type ballplayers who want wo be hear and say, guess what the yankees who no no no. We are the mets and here to play yankees, lets get ready to rumble. I’ll say this again, wilpons please sell our mets to someone who believes that will make this team become contenders not for one or two seasons, but for a decade to come. Let’s put the mets back on the map, the radar gun, gun to the world series. Let’s make some noise already will you. Get something done. Eoungh is eoungh, Put the fans back in the seats, make us happy since we have to pay to see this happen.
LARMAN, IF I MAY, LET ME OFFER U A PERSPECTIVE ALTERNATIVE, IT’S NOT SO MUCH AS THE MERS STINK, IMO, IT’S THE NYM OWNERSHIP HISTORY THAT SUCKS MOST OF ALL. HISTORICALLY, WE WENT FEROM MR & MRS. PAYSON, NY GIANT DIEHARD FANS, BEING PROMISED A NL FRANCHISE IN NY, UPON THE ’62 EXPANSION, MR. PAYSON DIES, BELOVED MRS. PAYSON ASSUMES CONTROL OF THE EXPANSION RIGHTS, WITH NO PREVIOUS MLB OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCE, MRS PAYSON RELIES UPON HER PERSONAL BUSINESS CONTACTS FOR ADVISE & ASSISTANCE AS SHE CHOSE LONGTIME FAMILY FRIEND & FIN’L ADVISOR, THE PRINCIPLE OWNER OF FAHNSTOCK & CO. (A SM BROKERAGE HOUSE) A MR. M.DONALD GRANT AS PRESIDENT OF HER NEW TEAM SELECTING EXPERIERNCED NYY BASEBALL MAN GEORGE WEISS AS THE NEW GENERAL MANAGER. PRIMARILY AS “FANS” THIS NEW POWER STRUCTURE CHOSE TO BUILD THEIR NEW TEAM AROUND NAMES THEY KNEW NYers WOULD EASILY REMEMBER FROM THE ACTIVE NL PLAYING DAYS IN NYC FROM 7 YRS BEFORE.
AS IT WAS 7 FULL YRS THESE “NAMES” WERE FAR REMOVED FROM THE ABILITIES THAT HAD MADE THEM SUCH MEMORABLE LOCAL HEROES HODGES(38),ZIMMER(32) &CRAIG(32) AS WELL AS MEMORABLE AVAILABLE OPONENTS LIKE BELL(34) & ASHBURN(35). NOTING THE (AGES) IT’S OBVIOUS THAT SENTIMENTALITY OVERRODE COMPETITIVE REQUIREMENTS SETTING THE TONE SINCE APPARENTLY FOLLOWED BY SUBSEQUENT OWNERSHIP RARELY PLACING COMPETITIVE CAPABILITY ATOP THE REQUIREMENTS AGENDA.
MRS. PAYSON WAS FOLLOWED BU HER DAUGHTER LORINDA (PAYSON) deROULETTE
WHO HAD RESENTED HER MOTHER’S TEAM INVOLVEMENT BLAMING THE ORGANIZATION FOR THEIR PERENIAL ASTRAINGEMENT OWNERSHIP & FRONTOFFICE INCOMPETANCE REACHED IT’S NADIR IN MID JUNE, 1977. JUST AS ATTENDANCE HAD BY 1981 SLUNK DOWN TO AN ECHO CHAMBERISH FRANCHISE LOW OF 704,244(<9,000 per game) FANNIES OUT OF A POTENTIAL OF 4,684,373(81G X 57,333 CAPACITY) OR 14% IN USE FOR 1981.
THIS LEAD TO THE 1982 DESPERATION SALE TO NELSON DOUBLEDAY(99%) & FRED WILPON(1%) THAT TAKEOVER SHOWED AN INSTANTANEOUS RESPONSE AS BOXOFFICE NEARLY DOUBLED THE '81 FIGURE(704K) TO 1,323,036 IN '82. FROM 1982 TO 1989 COMPETITIVE LEVEL CONCERNS WERE OBVIOUSLY HELD IN HIGHER REGARDS AFTER '89 IT WAS APPARENT DOUBLEDAY LOST INTEREST ABDICATING TOO MANY DECISIONS TO HIS ONCE JUNIOR PARTNER, MADE EQUAL IN '86.
ALL IN ALL LARMAN, YOU'LL HAVE TO EVALUATE THE OWNERSHIP AS MIA AS REGARDS COMPETITIVE FOCUS AS WE'VE REACHED TODAY'S DESPERATION POINT AS BEING POSSIBLY THE PUPPET AT THE END OF SELIG'S STRINGS. HIS "TOKEN" BIG MARKET TEAM.