General Manager’s Meetings Recap

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• Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 2:28 pm

  Figures Alderson wouldn’t like face to face meetings, kind of like the culture he leads having everything done by text, new stats that roll everything into a ball – forget the individual, and still no mention of wanting to compete and trying our best to win in 2012. He’s probably not a popular figure there anway.

  Wipon and Alderson should both get on a plane with a one way ticket to Kazakhstan and let a few of us from this blog run the show. I KNOW we’d do a better job than his louse Alderson. And he’s a louse. The guy stinks and is proving to be an awful decision by the Wilpons
  • jessep November 18, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Holy Moly Bayonne you are losing it

    “I actually think the next couple weeks will provide a better platform for the winter meetings, because there is a better opportunity for a CONFIDENTIAL interchange over the phone, as opposed to a small lobby setting such as this”

    When you’re in a small lobby talking with another GM everybody sees it! There’s nothing confidential about it!

    He never said he doesn’t prefer face to face, he said he prefers CONFIDENTIAL!

    If you and I have a conversation in a lobby with 20+ people all wondering what we’re talking about, somebody is bound to ease drop, but in, or wonder what the discussion is. If you call me on the phone in a private setting… the conversation takes place with 2 people not an audience.

    “I KNOW we’d do a better job than his louse Alderson” — Get over yourself. You wouldn’t know what to do in a GM’s chair if there was a written step by step manual for you. You have no idea what it takes to be a GM. You can say you think about qualified person would do better but to say you or anybody here would do better? What a joke.
  • Alex68 November 18, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Bayonne, we’ve had some bad GM’s. but at least some of them have tried to win you know, they go down but at least they go down trying, this guy IMO has been the WORST GM IN THE HISTORY of the franchise. for as long as i’ve been watching baseball and this team, this has got to be the worst era to be a fan.. the WORST GM THE NY METS HAVE EVER HAD. THE SINGLE WORST.
    • NJstuckinTX November 18, 2011 at 3:11 pm

      Worse than Grant?
      • Alex68 November 18, 2011 at 3:28 pm

        grant??? alderson couldn’t shine his shoes!!!!!
        • NJstuckinTX November 18, 2011 at 3:54 pm

          Unto each their demented own…
    • Kay November 18, 2011 at 4:41 pm

      Proving what little you know about baseball and the NY Mets again………
    • srt November 18, 2011 at 5:32 pm

      This is possibly the dumbest comment I’ve ever read here.
      No one was worse than M. Donald Grant for this franchise. Never was, never will be.
    • METS62FAN November 20, 2011 at 7:49 am

      ALEX? BASED UPON WHAT? HE REALLY HASN’T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING MEANINGFUL.

      IS HIS PAYROLL TO BE UNDER 100M OR 110M?

      XACTLY WHAT MOVES DO U ANTYICIPATE COULD’VE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THE ABILITY TO RETAIN REYES @ THOSE DRACONIAN #s.

      SURE, WE ALL LIKE TO THINK, WE’D ADD SO & SO+ WHAT-HIS-NAME; BUT HOW OFTEN DO THOSE HALUCINATIONS ACTUALLY TAKE THE FUTURE NON “ON FIELD” NEEDS INTO CONSIDERATION, SUCH AS FUTURE MANIPULATIVE ROOM. ACTUALLY, I’D SAY ALDERSON HAS BEEN THE BEST GM I’VE SEEN IN FLUSHING OVER THE PAST 50 YRS @ NOT WAVERING FROM HIS PLAN DUE TO OUTSUDE MOB IMPATIENT PRESSURE.ALL TOO OFTEN A GUY LIKE PHILLIPS HAD A PRESSER ANNOUNCING HIM GO INTO DETAIL USING WORDS LIKE PATIENCE,5Y PLAN, GROWTH, NUTURING, FARM DEVELOPMENT TO TURN AROUND & JUST SH#* CAN THE ENTIRE SPEECH AT TYHE FIRST 24HRS OF WFAN NEGATIVITY SIGNING THE FIRST AVAILABLE NAME AS TO LOOK BUSY.
      • Metsie November 20, 2011 at 10:22 am

        Well 62, while it may look like Sandy has stuck to his plan I have to question what exactly is his plan?

        So far the only plan he seems to have stuck to was to reduce payroll by letting it expire.
        And regardless of what you think about the players we got back (Wheeler, Herrera and Rosario) truth is All Sandy really accomplished there was to allow them to expire from the 2012 budget because we paid most of their salary to get those three players. Two All Stars for one first rounder and two honorable mentions?

        He seems to be planning to take the picks and run on Reyes but that plan means if no one tops the Marlins offer we are going to get at best two 2nd round picks (31+) out of it. Is that really a great deal? Good return?

        You have to wonder how smart is Sandy for constantly whining about his inability to sign and pay players basically bending over for the MLB GMs during negotiations and saying “Be Gentle” when talking deals.

        It is this whining that told the Marlins they only had to offer Reyes 90M for 6 years because thats right about the number Sandy has publicly said he is close to un-comfortable with.

        Other than letting high salaried players walk I have seen no plan going forward. At best you can say his plan involves building via the draft which is fine for a team who is already competitive enough to take the slow boat to china but not exactly the kind of plan that gives promise and confidence to the folks who will have to decide if those season tickets should be renewed, solving the issue that forced the Payroll purge in the first place!

        I don’t see one problem that has been solved since he got here other than the payroll slashing. And looking at what he has been spending it on it’s not apparent he is even saving money just redistributing it from one player who wasn’t worth it to 10 players who are not worth it either!

        Is it too soon to say fire him? Of course it is but while it IS too soon to call him a failure is just as much TOO SOON to call him a success and many here are trying to do!

        He’s done nothing but tread water so far, redistributed the wealth and so far has made no major changes other than purging three of our four All Star players!
        And what he got back for them won’t contribute for 2 or 3 years at best with the exception of maybe Herrera who will probably be in our BP this year!

        Three All stars and Herrera is it?
        Is that really the plan going forward and what we can expect for the next three years?
        If so Sandy could be the shortest term GM since McIlvane!
        Cause people will give you a year of grace as you did.
        People will accept another transitional year in 2012.
        But by 2013 if they don’t see something to give them hope the Calls to fire Sandy will be fast loud and furious!

        And then whatever PLAN people thinks he has is gone and what shape will we be in for the next guy?

        I’m sure as was the case when Omar got the boot, People will say the next guy had nothing to work with!
        • Kay November 21, 2011 at 6:16 am

          The only ones whining are the impatient fans that think anyone would walk in the doors and clean up a mess with a flip of a switch.

          Sandy Alderson has never whined, and that is yet another juvenile comment from his detractors. No one, not one person has said he’s a success, more twisting of verbiage, what those that are not calling for his head are the ones mature enough to know that Rome wasn’t built in a day.

          Frank Cashen took 4 years to build a success, yet Sandy Alderson isn’t even given one year? Come on………

          Even when Omar took over, he didn’t make his first splash until Mid December…….yet from Day one of this off season, the witch hunt has been on.
          • Metsie November 21, 2011 at 9:39 am

            Frank Cashen also came into office and went and got George Foster and Dave Kingman and did not purge the team of all it’s best players before the second season under him began!
            • Kay November 21, 2011 at 10:04 am

              George Foster was not signed until two years after Cashen got here, the first thing Cashen did to turn the organization around was to sign D Strawberry out of high school, and worked on the farm system. Drafting Lenny Dykstra, Gooden etc……

              Cashen’s big moves, like trading fan favorite Mazzilli (for Ron Darling) also were two years after he got here.

              Again it took four years, and at the time, we fans had no idea how great Strawberry and Gooden would have been, like we don’t know if Wheeler will be, but sometimes you have to have a little faith. I can’t understand how unloading Beltran was a bad move to all you guys that “know” the game so well. A guy that was leaving in a couple of months for NOTHING, now we have POTENTIAL.
              • Metsie November 21, 2011 at 11:26 am

                So your conceeding the point that he traded for Kingman to get fanns in the seats and hired a MARKETING firm to increase attendance!

                Thank you!

                Doesn’t matter WHEN he got Foster point is he didn’t get rid of Multiple ALL STARS to get the kids he wanted! He traded just ONE who was hurt and sucked the year before and what did he get for that?
                Darling and Terrell Terrell traded for HoJo! How many did you get for Beltran again? Who did we get for k-Rod again?

                Cashen idn’t play the compensation game to have a good draft.

                Sandy is no where NEAR as smart as Cashen was!
                And he isn’t doing what Cashen did!
                Cashen brought in some stars to increase attendance while he plied his build from within plan.
                Sandy is just slashing payroll getting little in return and reducing attendance to Pirate like figures!

                And when he runs out of payroll to slash say hello to the new owners who move to a new city and your foced to root for the Yankees as they will be the only team left in NY!
        • METS62FAN November 21, 2011 at 8:06 am

          METSIIE, I FOUND SO MUCH OF YOUR RANT TO BE TOO JUVENILE & SHORT-SIGHTED TO CREDIT WITH MUCH VALUE. I’M LEFT WITH ONE THOUGHT THAT CREPT THROUGH MY MENTAL NOTES FOR FORMATTING MY OPOSITION. THAT QUESTION, MY FRIEND, IS THIS,

          METSIE, DO YOU DO ANY THINKING FOR YOURSELF OR LEAVE IT TO TYHE BLUNDERHEADS ON SNY & IN THE POST & DAILY SNOOZE?

          3 ALLSTARS? AS OF THIS MOMENT ON NOV. 21, 2011, I CAN’T FIND 3 UNLESS YOU ARE THE LAST REMAINING CASTILLO FAN ON THE PLANET.

          DID U EVER HEAR OF ANALYSIS THAT DIDN’T REQUIRE #s OF ANY KIND?
          FROM ALL YOUR BLATHER, I’M GUESSING YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH THE RETURN RECEIVED FOR BELTRAN & K-ROD. EXACTLY WHAT IS IT YOU BELIEVE A GIMPY OUTFIELDER PAST HIS PRIME & AN EMOTIONALLY RETARDFED CLOSER WITH DIMINISHED VELOCITY ARE WORTH PAYING A DESPERATE ‘OWNER’ OF THE REMNANTS OF FOOLISH CNTRACTS FOR. ESPECIALLY AS BOTH ARE BORAS CLIENTS MEANING THEIR RETENTION IS ALL BUT IMPLAUSABLE BEYOND THE ’11 SEASON.

          METSIE, AS I RECALL NEITHER U NOR BAYONNE WERE BESIDE ME IN MY CONSTANT DEFENSES OF MINAYA AS A VICTIM OF INJURY & FRONTOFFICE(JEFF) INTRIGUE.
          METSIE, IF YOU HAD ONE INDEPENDENT THOUGHT OR ASSUMED U WEREN’T THE ONLY INTELLIGENT PERSON IN THE EQUATION, U WOULD REALIZE THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT ALDERSON’S HIRING CREATED WAS HIS TOTAL LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OR FAMILIARITY WITH THE NYM ROSTER, BE IT WRIGHT,REYES,PARNELL,PELFREY OR ANYONE ON IT. AS HIS ENTIRE MLB TEAM RELASTED EXPERIENCE HAD BEEN WESTCOAST BASED & THOSE DAILY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD NOT REQUIRE NYM FAMILIARITY UNTIL HE MAY HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY A NYM OFFICIAL. SIMILARLY WITH RICCHARDI & DiPODESTA WOULD HAVE TIO BE RANKED AMONG THE NYM IGNORANT SO, FOR ALDERSON TO REQUIRE AT LEAST ONE FULL SEASON TO ANALYZE & EVALUATE HIS PERCEPTIONS ON HIS OWN 40 IS NOT QUESTIONABLE.
          ISN’T IS SOMEWHAT NAIVE OF U TO BELIEVE THE MOMENT AN EXEC PUTS A NYM CAP ON HIOS HEAD; HE IS SUDDENLY CAPABLE OF MAKING ALL THE SAME EVALUATIONS AS A FAN WHO HAS FOCUSED SO INTENTLY ON THEM?
          PERSONALLY, I’M NO WHERE NEAR AS CONVINCED REYES WILL DEPART WITHOUT A VALID COUNTER FROM ALDERSION AS U SEEM TO BE, JUST AS I BELIEVE IT B EST TO PRESUME SOMEONE WITH ALDERSON’S MLB PEDIGREE IS NOT A BLITHERING IDIOT. ONLY A BLITHERING IDIOT WOULD BELIEVE REYES WAS AVAILABLE AT LESS THAN 20M PER. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IF THAT FL # WAS TRULY A “THIRD RAIL” AS U ARE SO EASILY CONVINCED ALDERSON’S LAST REMAINING LIVE BRAIN CELL WOULD HAVE KNOWN TO DEAL HIM IN AUGUST.
          SOMEHOW METSIE YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE A PRECONCEIVED NEGATIVE OUTLOOK WHEN ASSESSING ALDERSON’S STATEMENTS. DID U SOMEHOW MISS THE EXAMPLE HE USEDE ON HIS APPEARANCE ON BURKHARDT’S MET JHOTSTOVE SHOW WHEN HE ELUDED TO AN UNSPECIFIED GM STATING HE ALREADY HAD HIS 2 20M PLAYERS? AS IF THAT WERE “THE NORM” TO BE EXPECTED. FYI, THE NYM PRESENTLY HAVE ONE 20M PLAYER LEAVING THEM SHORT JUST 1 FROM THE “ENTRY REQUIREMENT” IM ALDERSON’S ESTIMATION AS SUCH TO CONCLUDE 15M AS TOO RICH FOR HIS BLOOD WHEN HE’S ALTREADY PAID THE SAME PLAYER 11M IS PREMEDITATED NEGATIVITY ON YOUR PART. I’D LOVE FOR U TO RESPOND WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF YOUR STATED ALDERSON’S “CLARIFICATION” QUOTE THAT’ U CITE HAVING SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF. METSIE, I BELIEVE U ARE MISTAKENLY PUTTING SOME PRESS NIMROD’S OBFISCATED ASSUMPTIONS INTO SANDY’S MOUTH. JUST AS THE PRESS HAS MADE WVERYONE BELIEVE REYES WAS DEMANDING CRAWFORD $$$. HE NEVER HAS TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOR HAS GREENBERG
          METSIE, THE ONLY QUIOTE I WILL ACCEPT AS A;LDERSON’S REAGARDING 2012′S EXPENDITURES IS HIS TARGET OF BETWEEN 100M & 110M IN PAYROLL. AS IT STANDS PRESENTLY THOSE NUMBERS DO NOT PRECLUDE ANOTHER $20M CONRACT ADDITION. D O T H E M A T H SINCE THE PRESS ISN’T THEY’RE SIMPLY IMPLYING DISASTEROUS BELT-TIGHTENING. AT THIS VERY MOMENT THERE IS MERELY 62M GUARANTEED TO PLYERS FOR 2012. AS THOSE PLAYERS NUMBER ONMLY 6 IT’S KERY TO KNOW THAT THE REMAINING MINIMUM OF 19 TO ARRIVE @ A 25 ACTIVE ROSTER COULD POTENTIALLY COST AS LITTLE AS $8,075,000 MEANING THE METS COULD CONCEIVABLY FIELD A PAYROLL AS LITTLE AS 70M WITHOUT RESIGNING REYES & STILL COMPLYING WITH THE NEW CBA. IN PRACICAL TERMS THE MORE LIKELY CURRENT PAYROLL SANS REYES WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80-85M SO MUCH FOR THIS “RUMORED EITHER OR PLIGHT OF REYES,WRIGHT ONLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO ONE OF THE PRESS HACKS SO CALLED “RELIABLE” , UNNAMED” RESOURCES TO WHICH I TYPICALLY FILLIN THE NAME JEFF WILPON WHENEVER DIRE NEGATIVITY IS THE SHADE OF THE IMPLICATION.

          METSIE, SORERY FOR THE VERBAL DELUGE; HOWEVER I BELIEVE IT WAS NECESSARY TO ATTEMPT TO DISPEL YOUR DELUSION OF “TYHE END IS NYE”
          METSIE, NO STATED PLAN; WELL WHO DOES THAT? IF ALDERSON WERE TO GIVE A PRESSER IN WHICH HE STAED MY PLAN IS, 1) RESIGN REYES,
          2) REBUILD PITCHING THROUGTH THE MATURATION OF OUR PRESNT DAY FARM STOCK, 3) CONCENTRATE ON MAINTAINING AN OUTSIDE SHOT AT A WILDCARD BY ACQUIRING “SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE REPLACEMENTS FOR OUR EVERDAY DEPARTEES, FOCUSING ON IMPROVING VIA MEASURED BABY STEPS, TRADING OUR HIGHEST PAID NON-PERFORMERS AT THEIR PEAK DESIREABILITY FOR THE MOST POTENTIAL & LEAST FINACIAL OUTLAY.

          METSIE, TO ME, THAT’S A LOGICAL PROGRAM FROM A TEAM NEEDING TO SELL OFF OWNERSHIP PIECES TO STAY IN THE BLACK. IN LIEU OF ALL THAS T IS NOW & HAS TRANSPIRED IN TYHE PAST WITH REMAINING AFTEREFFECTS, I DO NOT SEE WHY THAT ISN’T AN ACCEPTABLE PROGRAM, TYHOUGH U WOULD NEVER NEGOTIATE WITH A PLAYER U’VE PUBLICLY STATED WAS YOUR INTEDED KEEPER. LETTING REYES’ARKET BE SET BY OTHERS WHILE MAINTAINING A POSITION AS COUNTEROFERRER IS AS GOOD AS ANY.
          ANYONE WHO BELIEVES FL’s OFFER WAS SINCERE & NOT JUST A COUNTERMEASURE TO DECRY UNION CLAIMS OF MISERLY INSINCERE COMPETITION. WITH LORIA NOW BEING ABLE TO CLAIM HE TRIED TO SPEND BIG; BUT WAS DENIED BY UNION MEMBERS(PLAYERS).
          NO OFFER TPUJOLS FOR LESS THAN 20M PER OR TO THE DEFENDING BATTING CHAMP JUST 4M ABOVE HIS ’11 SALARY FROZEN FOR NEXT 6Y CAN BE CONSIDERED ANYMORE THAN TOKEN OFFERS.
          ALDERSON H A S INDICATED CLEARLY HIS BELIEF THAT HE HAS GREENBERG’S COMMITMENT FOR A NYM LAST CHANCE WARNING BEFORE ANY DEAL IS SIGNED. NO ONE ASKS FOR THAT IF NOT ABLE TO EXCEED 15M IN TODAY’S ENVIRONEMENT.

          NO, MY FRIEND, THE ISSUE IS PLAINLY #OF YEARS IN WHICH I BELIEVE 5 IS TYHE MAX ALLOWED BY CONTRACT DISABILITY INSURANCE & FOR THAT REASON IS THE LIMIT TO A NYM OFFER
          AS I SEE IT 7 & 8 YR OFFERS PRESENT TYHE BIGGEST CHALLENGE UNLIKELY TO BE TOPPED; 6 MAY BE ACCOUNTED GFOR BY A 5Y GUARANMTEE+ 1Y OPTION CONVERTED TO GUARANTEED BY EXCEEDING A SPECIFIED ACCOMPLISHMENT. AS 2013 PRESENTS ANOTHER YR IN WHICH A HUGE PAYROLL PERCENTAGE(40%) FREES UP WITH EXPIRATIONS OF SANTANA & BAY WHILE MUCH OF THE PITCHING STAFF IS REPLACED OVER THE NEXT 2 SEASONS WITH MLB MINIMUM WAGERS HOPEFULLY PROVIDING THE EXCESSIVE PERFORMANCE PER DOLLAR WE’VE LACKED FOR 5+ SEASONS. NO, METSIE, THAT’S NOT THE SAME AS ADDING A HALLADAY & LEE; HOWEVER IT DOES MAINTAIN THE RESEMBLANCE TO ACCOMPLISHMENTS MOST RECENTLY IN SF & IS IN THE MODEL OF THE METAMORPHISIS OF THE 80s DISMAL BRAVES TO THE 90s DOMINANT VERSION SANS BIG TICKET MULTIMILLION DOLLAR F/A ACQUISITION
          • Metsie November 21, 2011 at 9:36 am

            “AS I RECALL NEITHER U NOR BAYONNE WERE BESIDE ME IN MY CONSTANT DEFENSES OF MINAYA AS A VICTIM OF INJURY ”

            Well time to refresh the memory then 62 or go back to the archives and check what I said at the time.

            As for the three All Stars I was referring to Beltran, K-Rod and soon to be Reyes!
            If you hadn’t noticed all three are Type A free Agents!

            For two Type A’s (who we paid a majority of their salary) we got Wheeler, And two PTBNL

            Thats good return in your mind?
            • METS62FAN November 22, 2011 at 8:33 am

              METSIE, I’VE SEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY BETTER PKG WAS AVAILABLE FOR EITHER RUMORS TO THE CONTRARY ARE INCONSEQUENTIAL MEANDERINGS OF SOMEONE’S FERTILE IMAGINATION JUST AS EVEN HERE ON MMO COUNTLESS BANTERINGS OVER ROBERTS’;S SUPPOSED SIMPLE & EASY ACQUISITION FROM CINCY WAS CONSIDERED FEASIBLE WHEN IT’S EVIDENT CINCY NEVER CONSIDERED HIM EXPENDABLE
  • Kay November 18, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Where are you getting this childish text nonsense from………is that from the Metsie school of ‘Lets make things up for my own agenda” school?
  • Donal November 18, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Actually, according to writers like Adam Rubin and Kevin Goldstein, these GM meetings are very different from how they used to be. Most of the deals were made in the lobby and at the bar. GMs could meet face to face and informally in a comfortable setting.

    This day and age, that doesn’t work. Too much media, too many devices, too much instant communication.

    I really have no idea what your bizarre rant about text messages and advanced stats have to do with anything.

    But, hey, I’m sure you know more about the winter meetings than baseball writers who actually cover them.
  • srt November 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    ‘I KNOW we’d do a better job than his louse Alderson.’

    LOL…legend in your own mind, Bayonne.
    • Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 7:03 pm

      srt i don’t think it would take much to do a better job than Alderson. I can’t help it if u have no confidence in what you do and would rather sit around all day worrying about other team’s finances instead of coming up with creative ideas/trades that can MAYBE help the Mets compete w/whatever payroll they have.

      With the help of a few people here I have no doubt we would have better results and focus more on keeping the fan base energized and hopeful. In fact I’d hire you and all you would have to do is sit by a calculator all day. That’s it. Just leaving the decision making to the big boys ok?
      • jessep November 18, 2011 at 8:02 pm

        “um yeah hi Mister Mister Cashman? This is Bayonne Mets Fan the new GM of the …. hello? (dial tone) hello?”
        • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 8:13 pm

          if Bayonne said:

          “I KNOW i could have done a better job than Omar Minaya”. Would you be doing this?

          No, of course not. Your only doing this because he’s saying something negative about a guy you like….If he said it about somebody you didn’t, you wouldn’t care. Heck, you might even agree with him. lol.
          • jessep November 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm

            Vinny

            He didn’t say that so you have no idea what I’d say. Since I defended Omar practically to the day he was fired against people like Bayonne and Friends, I’d go so far as to say you are wrong.

            People like Bayonne and others on this site only like Omar *now* because it allows them to hate Alderson. If the Mets re-hired Omar today, they’d say the same stuff they said when he was our GM the second he signed another Ollie P like deal.

            It never ends. Some fans will never be happy. Part of being a fan for them is being miserable and negative about everything.

            We can have an opinion, raise questions, have ideas… but to sit here and actually proclaim that we KNOW “we” would do a better job than a man with over 30 years of experience in the Major Leagues and is respected by owners, GMs and the Commissioner of Baseball is an absolute joke.

            I swear sometimes people act as though Alderson has dementia and got his reputation in the sport by accident.

            If you think he’s here as the Mets GM because he fell down and landed at Citi Field you’re mistaken. Think back to who recommended he be hired, think back to the Mets financial situation at the time (and now) and start putting your thinking cap on and realize it’s probably a good thing the Mets have a GM so well regarded in the sport right now.
            • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 8:39 pm

              “People like Bayonne and others on this site only like Omar *now* because it allows them to hate Alderson.”

              Aren’t you kinda doing the same thing? You only hate Omar *now* because it allows you to defend Alderson.

              I actually do remember you defending Omar, but now, you say the same EXACT things as the people you use to argue with!
              • Donal November 18, 2011 at 9:12 pm

                Except that Jessep actually defended Minaya and still does on occasion.

                One needn’t trash Minaya to maintain Alderson isn’t the “worse GM ever” and that a nobody posting on a fansite can do better.

                One can acknowledge that the situation each entered was very different.
          • Donal November 18, 2011 at 9:07 pm

            I have said things like that before. It is ridiculous to think that someone posting anonymously on a fansite is anymore qualified to be a GM than anyone who has in fact held the job.

            But, hey, no need to have an honest discussion with actual facts. You go ahead and play victim while defending the lunatics and delve into a martyr complex.
            • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 10:14 pm

              did he say he was more qualified? No he didn’t.

              See, that’s just another example of you spinning and twisting what somebody said.

              But, hey, no need to have an honest discussion with actual facts, right?
              • Donal November 18, 2011 at 11:11 pm

                Did he use the word “qualified”? No. Did he say everything that leads to qualified? Yes.

                If I say “that car is the primary color other than blue and yellow” it isn’t spin to say I called the car red.
                • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 11:20 pm

                  Wrong again,

                  Your either not read carefully at all, or intentionally distorting what he has to say.

                  His point is that Alderson is doing a terrible job, and that he’s doing SO bad, that he and the people on this blog could do a better job than him.

                  “srt i don’t think it would take much to do a better job than Alderson.”

                  That’s the main idea of his post…..and of course you don’t get it, or you do get it, and are trying to twist it into something else.
                  • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 11:29 pm

                    Bayonne, are you saying that your more qualified than Sandy Alderson?

                    OR are you saying that he’s doing so bad, that it wouldn’t be hard for anyone to do a better job than what he’s doing?
                  • alwayzamazin November 19, 2011 at 12:12 am

                    bayonne-you are totally right and i wish you or someone with your sensibilities was!

                    right now it looks like a cluster **** of men cashing their 1M paychecks
                  • Bayonne Mets Fan November 19, 2011 at 12:16 am

                    Exactly,

                    I never said I was “more qualified” in fact that concept never crossed my mind. I’m just so angry right now and I know i can do a better job but i would need the help of a few people here who know more in certain areas than I do. But as far as getting the fan base enthused and trying to make this team a winner with the money we have i don’t see how I could not do a better job than Alderson. He’s doing TERRIBLE. Absolutely horrendous and I don’t understand why there isn’t more of an outcry by now. Imagine if he did this type of job back in the day?????? Imagine not trying to win????? Even when the Mets were bad they always tried to win and would never admit that it’s not our year. They would word it differently yes but not be like it is today with all kinds of players being picked up by other teams so early in the off season that can help the Mets! It’s unbelievable.

                    It’s like people who made jokes when Jesse Ventura became Gov of Minn or Al Franken became Senator. It can be done. Will it get done? Of course not but I wish i could. I wish I can tell him he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing or What is it exactly you are trying to do and don’t try and double talk me.

                    The guy is AWFUL so far. And AWFUL at generating fan enthusiasm. His personality STINKS and it reflects the way he operates so far.
                  • jessep November 19, 2011 at 9:50 am

                    Lets be honest Vinny and Bayonne. Just for a second

                    This whole Bayonne for GM thing started because Bayonne read what he wanted to read and I called him out for it. Be honest. Nowhere in Alderson’s statement did he say he dislikes face to face discussion with other GMs. Admit it. He clearly said he prefers confidential and that in a setting like GM Meetings, its hard to do have any confidentiality because all the other GMS as well as Media are hanging around

                    At the winter meetings, everybody and their mother hangs out at 1 bar during the early evening. Everybody. I’ve seen people from Tommy Lasorda, Omar Minaya, Karl Ravech, Peter Gammons and Barry Bonds within feet of one another at the winter meetings. Even that is different from the GM meetings because MORE people go, but the difference is each team is assigned rooms and sections to conduct business in private and those rooms are not released to the public.

                    It has nothing to do with wanting to avoid people and simply text them and everything to do with dealing in private, 1 on 1. So you’re accusing Alderson of NOT wanting to do something that he DOES want to do.

                    Lastly, maybe there isn’t an “outcry” because people like myself realize that maybe Alderson is here to help with a bigger problem than who is the Mets backup catcher? There is clearly a problem with ownership and the cash flow here and while you look for the easy way out and blame a guy who just got here, I look at the people that CREATED the problem… not the guy who is trying to figure out a way to fix it.
              • Kay November 19, 2011 at 6:01 am

                Splitting hairs much? “Wipon and Alderson should both get on a plane with a one way ticket to Kazakhstan and let a few of us from this blog run the show. I KNOW we’d do a better job than his louse Alderson. ” No, the word qualified was never used, but maybe that’s because Bayonne doesn’t like big words, he’s made that clear he hates when Alderson actually uses a vocabulary that adults understand.

                Phils signed a closer
                Dodgers signed Kemp

                That’s TWO signings……..

                What have the Red Sox done
                What have the Cardinals done
                Brewers
                Tigers
                Angels
                Cubs
                Nationals
                Reds
                Padres
                Giants
                any team……….what massive signings around going on?????? NOTHING

                Write MLB and tell them you all can be better GM’s and ask for Alderson to be fired, tell them what you know, send a resume, do something already.
      • srt November 19, 2011 at 9:42 am

        LOL….you’re nothing, if not entertaining, Bayonne.
• Mr North Jersey November 18, 2011 at 2:58 pm

  Nice recap Hojo. Thanks
• jessep November 18, 2011 at 4:02 pm

  old news Hitman. Talking October 15th ish.

  If somebody gives the Mets a bag of balls for Pelfrey I’d take it at this point.

  I’m kidding. I’m actually surprised the Rockies wanted him though to be honest
  • XtreemIcon November 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I’m not. It’s not as serious as it used to be in Colorado, but ground ball pitchers thrive there. Get Pelfrey out of NY into a much easier market and maybe he doesn’t lick his hand as much. He’s probably a good middle-rotation pitcher in Colorado.
• Alex68 November 18, 2011 at 3:06 pm

  hojo, as usual, great job.. but i got a quicker version of the summary you wrote, mine would’ve been something like this:

  “The GM Meetings in Milwaukee have wrapped up and here’s a quick summary of a few things we learned:

  NOTHING.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    ROFL!

    I cracked up when i read that alex. And as for the slippery slimy eel that slithered in right above the butt kissing man-in-the-cardboard box – he thinks I have no idea what it takes to be a GM?

    Sure.

    No more or less (probably MORE in fact) than anybody here who feels they can do a better job than the manager of GM and we get that all the time. Sure I would have to need a training period on the business end of it but i’ve worked in several types of businesses, been a baseball fan my whole life and now make a living on my own as an entrepreneur.

    I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER in my mind that with the help of a couple people here that I/we would do a MUCH better job than Alderson. No doubt.
    • jessep November 18, 2011 at 3:41 pm

      Bayonne – If calling you out when you totally make something up makes me an eel than I’ll gladly be an eel. Nowhere in that post did it say Alderson doesn’t prefer face to face conversations, he said he prefers confidential ones.

      You read, what you wanted to read.

      And please spare me. First of all you have no clue what Alderson is dealing with behind closed doors. You have absolutely no idea what the real financial situation is or what restrictions he has.

      To come here and claim you with the help of likely Maniac, Metsie, Vinny and alex68 that you could do a better job is asinine.

      Alderson has a law Degree from Harvard, and has worked in Major League Baseball since 1981. That’s 30 years experience in an industry that trump your youtube business or whatever you have.

      Alderson has the respect of owners and GM across the country…you think it’s an accident that he’s the Mets GM right now?

      Give a rest. We can all have opinions, and question moves, decisions and its great. But to sit here and actually proclaim that you KNOW you’d do a better job is absolutely laughable.

      That’s like somebody who didn’t vote for Obama saying they KNOW with the help of 3 other buddies they could run the US Government better.
      • NJstuckinTX November 18, 2011 at 4:09 pm

        Amen.
      • Des November 18, 2011 at 8:40 pm

        Delusions of grandeur are difficult to dispel. They seem to grow on these pages most every day.
        • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 8:48 pm

          I don’t think you got his point.

          His point is that Alderson is doing a terrible job, so by saying he could do better than him, isn’t saying much at all – He feels Alderson is doing SO bad, even he and the people on this blog can do a better job than him!

          It’s not “Delusions of grandeur”, it’ just that he thinks he’s doing a terrible job.
          • Donal November 18, 2011 at 8:59 pm

            No, he honestly believes he is qualified to a major league general manager. He has implied it for a while and finally lost enough of his mind to state it flatly.

            Just more lunacy you try to defend because he dislikes a guy you dislike.
            • Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm

              You always seem to think you know what people thinkng …….But what’s funny is, your usually wrong.
              • Donal November 18, 2011 at 9:13 pm

                I go by what people say. If you insist on saying something when you believe otherwise…well, there is a word for people who do that.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 9:08 pm

            It’s funny how a guy like t agee can come in here for months and look back years later and NOW second guess how bad Omar and all previous front offices did – all while second guessing years later and blaming all Mets losses on the front office and ignoring the games. But I come here and say i would do a better job than the CLOWN in the front office now – ahead of time – and yet I get crucified.

            You can either start by saying you CAN do the job…. OR…. like most of the Alderson butt-kissing following crowd here, just lay back on your couch munching on your potato chips in your apt in the bronx or CT or wherever the hell you are and say i’m stupid and I can’t. Take it from where it comes.
            • jessep November 18, 2011 at 10:06 pm

              Bayonne, I am sure your youtube business, plus your high school varsity baseball may prepare you for life as a GM on MLB2k12, but in the real world Sandy Alderson, Omar Minaya, and any other baseball GM you want to name have more of an ability to actually do the job than you ever will. You’re not smarter than them, you can have an opinion and a view of things but to sit there and say you… Bayonne Mets Fan can do a better job than either of them is laughable. You’d fold like a cheap suit the second you had to step foot in a meeting with guys like Scott Boras, let alone other GM’s etc.
              • Donal November 18, 2011 at 11:00 pm

                Boras would know Bayonne meant business when Bayonne takes him out to a nice seafood dinner and NEVER CALLS HIM BACK
            • Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 9:09 pm

              I meant to say how t agee can look back NOW and 2nd guess all those moves and those other idiots get behind him..but when i say i can do something – BEFORE THE FACT – they crucify me. Bunch of losers
          • Des November 19, 2011 at 9:56 am

            Thanks for responding Vinnie. We have a difference of opinion.

            There is ‘bad.’ And there is ‘badder.’

            I think the average fan is clueless about the intricacies of the job. Beyond the technical requirements, insulting differing views is a non-starter. It’s juvenile.
      • Metsie November 19, 2011 at 10:02 am

        Well if I was involved Jessup at least my long term plan would go beyond signing fillers and replacing the Kids we have and go far beyond 2012!

        You have no long term plan!
        All you have is your list of cheap crap your ready to sign so you don’t have to play Tejada, Duda, Turner and Gee!

        Nothing in your plan said anything about making this team better, or building it up to fix long term problems in 2013 and 2014!

        It was as if in your plan the world ends in September 2012!
        • jessep November 19, 2011 at 12:22 pm

          Maniac, I will say it once again.

          Every MLB franchise has the same “long term plan” when things are not going well. It’s how you do it that matters

          Here are a few things:
          Hire the best on field and amateur scouts you can
          Actively scout other teams minor league systems for potentially undervalued players
          Have a clear organizational message when it comes to the type of players you look for
          Hire the best minor league coaches/instructors you can
          Draft the best possible players
          Don’t waste your picks on old free agents who force you to over spend
          Keep your young players as healthy as possible
          Be very involved in the International Free Agent pool
          Know when to hold em and when to fold em – with regard to trading veteran players for young return
          Have a clear idea of when your young players could be ready to make a big league impact.

          That’s a long term.
    • Donal November 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm

      The best of this is that you really do believe it. You honestly think that high school baseball is anything close to Major League Baseball.

      That is like playing Call of Duty and thinking you can be a Navy SEAL.
  • Donal November 18, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Alex, I think that is how you wrap up every conversation you’re in
• Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 3:32 pm

  And let me add that I don’t understand what’s so hard about understanding that so far since Alderson has taken over as GM he’s done an absolutely HORRENDOUS job.

  If this occurred any other time in history he would have been a camp fire rotisserie by now. But we live in the age of the Numbers Crunchers Religion now and heck, Alderson even looks a little like Marshall Applewhite
• Hitman November 18, 2011 at 3:59 pm

  “The Mets and Colorado Rockies briefly discussed swapping Mike Pelfrey for closer Huston Street, but talks reportedly fizzled because the Mets were not big on Street. The Rockies’ closer took some shots at his former Oakland manager Bob Geren, who is now the Mets bench coach.”

  I apologize for not being up to speed as I like to on Mets news (been very busy with work upstate), but Bob Geren is our bench coach now? Seriously? What, Francona wasn’t available? Any other staff changes? (I heard that Chip Hale left). I don’t really blame the Mets for not being high on Street due to his near 10 H/9 last season. I hope they continue to shop Pelfrey though.
• Metfan Lou November 18, 2011 at 7:32 pm

  The gobblers have been loosed on America and as Mr. Alderson gathers with his family and friends on Thanksgiving he will have ample time to dwell on the turkey on the table and the turkeys on the field. Oh, the thought of it all!
• Will November 18, 2011 at 9:20 pm

  They guy has done nothing in his time here but sit on his hands and watch all the teams around him get better and the mets worse.the mets have one of the highest paid front offices in baseball you would think they would know how to improve a team but instead all they have done is make citi empty and sny rating the worse in history. The only people defending him r mom writers because they like access to hot air sandy and to keep it u need to sell his bs.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan November 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Will you expressed yourself beautifully! Excellent post

    And if I may add that if I was the boss and I’m paying this highest paid front office in baseball and I find out that a lot of players did well on other teams that we could have had within our financial constraints I’d call those 3 KNUCKLEHEADS into my office and say “LOOK, you guys, why didn’t you pick those players? We could have contended longer and made MORE MONEY. You guys are the highest paid front office in baseball now you BETTER give me the highest paid RESULTS!”

    Terrible, terrible, terrible job by this front office and I cannot for the life of me believe all the defending it gets on this site from it’s soldiers AND even people in the media. My God, people like Matt Cerrone are even jumping on the band wagon and losing the ability to do what got them to their positions in the first place – think for themselves.

    I wish i can do this badly at something and have people defend me to the death too.
  • Donal November 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    “.the mets have one of the highest paid front offices in baseball”

    I keep seeing certain parties say that, but when I ask for actual proof, I get ignored. Huh.
• Vinny B November 18, 2011 at 9:25 pm

  Reply button isn’t working for whatever reason.

  …..so anyway, no, Donal, what you do is SPIN what people say…..and you take it way out of context.

  And when has Jessep defended Omar recently?