Comments on: Balance Is The Key To The New CBA http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:22:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-206022 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:39:10 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-206022 Thanks Des.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-206021 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:38:52 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-206021 Hey Joe,
First let me clarify I wasn’t suggesting they should add two more teams, only that they could (and they will at some point becuase they are greedy) now that they have balanced the leagues to have equal number of teams.

The move of Houston sets them up for future expansion as now they can add two teams without one league saying “Hey No Fair!”
I don’t want them to or believe it would be good to expand but I do think it is inevitable! Too much money for them to make to not do it.

As for the details, I didn’t go too far into the details since the details have not been released.
But based on what we know now it does seem safe to say that teams who in the past have not spent money in FA and would settle for hoarding draft picks has been targeted under this new CBA, They will get fewer picks for letting folks go, Will be limited by how much they spend in the draft and IFA (which is where the Don’t Spenders spend the majority of their money now) and are now being limited on how many CHEAP KIDS they can acquire in any given season.

That is going to force them into the FA market to a degree (Which the players really want) and the Middle spenders will be able to sign some bigger names to FA without it costing them so dearly in picks.

The piece is basically about how the middle spenders are the only ones who truly gained by this new CBA!

]]> By: Joe Diaz http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205972 Joe Diaz Thu, 01 Dec 2011 07:23:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205972 “A better change to the draft rules might have been to penalize a player who refused to sign by having him sit out “X” number of years before they could re-enter the draft. Once they did re-enter the draft, a comparable pick would then be given to the team that originally drafted him as compensation the following year. This would force these rookies to say “hey if I want to play in the MLB I had better take what I can get or look for some other job”.

I actually agree with this.As far as the rest of this article,I really can’t say if it’s a good or bad article sice I haven’t yet read the full details of the new CBA but I don’t like your suggestion of adding 2 more teams to even out the leagues.While it makes more sense to have an even amount of teams in each league,the last thing MLB needs is 2 more teams.Pitching in MLB is watered down as it is since the addition of the Marlins and Rockies in 93 and D-Backs and Rays in 98.Adding 2 more would add 24 more pitchers to the majors that don’t belong and we could see another offensive outburst.If anything I would like to see contraction.Cities that don’t support their teams should not have a team.That’s just imo.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205957 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:45:44 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205957 Extreme it worked just fine. If it hadn’t the Yankees would have spent 300m By now!

They have not gone much past 200Mil for years now!
The Luxury tax is why!
Most teams have not gone past it unless they knew it was a temporary situation worth doing because it meant they could play for a playoff and it was worth paying the tax.

SO you can’t say it didn’t work you could say (which you sort of did) that it didn’t make it as prohibitive to spend 200 Mil as it could have but without it I guarantee the Yankees would have spent what they paid in Tax on Players just as quickly!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205956 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:42:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205956 Now go and quote the parts what the middle picker spent, or how picking in the top is the only place good players are picked please and if you can’t then please go ply your trade of bull someplace else or write your own post and submit as opposed to crapping up my comment section with bullshit that was never said or discussed in the first place!

I really am sick and tired of dealing with your immature, childish nonsense responses to what everyone else writes , What you THINK they said, or what you wished they HAD said to make your point relevant and worth posting!

You are an idiot and saying that is probably isulting to idiots!
You a waste of posting bandwidth Donal!
REALLY!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205955 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:37:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205955 Dude I read your response and it really had NOTHING to do with anythiong I said!

Absoloutly NOTHING but a bnch of bull you made up Assuming I said something about it because you ddn’t read it, Just saw the bit about Sandy needing to go back to the drawing board and then going into SLASHER defense mode!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205954 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:35:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205954 PROOF only three teams have ever paid the Luxury Tax!
If it hadn’t worked there would have been many more!

]]> By: XtreemIcon http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205952 XtreemIcon Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:21:40 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205952 I think you’re both barking up the wrong tree. Metsie, the luxury tax didn’t work. But, Donal, it was never designed to. Let’s be honest here. It was dubbed the “competitive balance tax,” but what exatly was it balancing? In its first year in 2003, the threshold was $117 million. In 2002, only the Yankees had a payroll of even $110 million. In 2001, no one had a $110 million payroll. In 2000, only the Yankees eclipsed $100 million. Who was it deterring? I’m not stating this as any sort of Yankee apologist, because detracters of the tax simply call it the “Yanmkee tax.” I’m simply trying to point out the fact that the threshold is entirely too high to do the job it was designed to do.

In 2011, only eight teams had a payroll higher than that initial threshold. Cut it down to six teams using the 2004 threshold. Now that’s what I would consider more of a “deterrent.” If 20-25% of the teams suffer the conssequences, maybe then the competition would have been balanced. No more then three teams have ever had to pay the luxury tax in a single season, and that was back in 2004.

Think about the fact that eight of ten highest annual salaries in baseball history (exception A-Rod’s Texas deal and Manny’s Boston deal) were signed after the tax was instituted. It doesn”t seem like anyone’s scared of it at all.

The tax might have worked if it was administered properly, but it wasn’t, so it’s not doing the job it was designed to do.

]]> By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205950 Donal Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:16:39 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205950 And if you read my response, you’ll notice I point out the false assumption of assuming the middle picks don’t spend. Or that all the best players are gone at the beginning of the first round. It doesn’t work that way.

Now, it does. If you stink you’ll get all the good picks and they’ll have to sign. You also have no incentive to improve, since those kids will be arb eligible faster. And, if you do win, yoi get lousy picks and can’t replenish as easily. Just draft a couple noticable players, let them go, sit back and enjoy the moronic revenue sharing system they refuse to make any meaningful changes to.

If you are a big spender that doesn’t care about the draft, nothing changes. You spend more money, big deal.

The ones getting hurt are second tier and lower IFAs and teams that do the work scouting.

]]> By: Des http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205947 Des Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:59:08 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205947 Thanks Metsie. I enjoyed reading it. Your facts and insights are helpful.

]]> By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205946 Donal Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:42:09 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205946 No you have to show proof it did. We’ve gone through that.

and there is this team called the Yankees…

“There was no Luxury Tax on Draft picks before!
And IFA have never been taxed either!

Now they are!
Which means that Teams who pick higher will run up to their bonus allotment quicker than someone who lets say picks last in the round.”

Um, no, teams that invest in their picks will run up their allotment. Not every team has the same allotment. Teams higher in the order have more money, but teams at the top aren’t necessarily the ones who spend the most. Or are you telling me the Red Sox and Rangers are 2 of the worst teams in baseball every year?

“So all you BUILD VIA THE DRAFT guys are now going to have a MUCH harder time!
You still only get so much Bonus to give out even if it means you get extra compensation picks.
And you won’t get AS many compensation picks as you used to!

How do they fill the holes then?
They have to spend in FA something they don’t do now!”

Ya, you Yankee fans must be thrilled about that.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205945 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:29:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205945 And again you miss the point!
The Big Spenders were ALWAYS at a disadvantage under the old system, Get Taxed for signing AND lose Comp picks!

Now they lose fewer picks, get taxed the same as theydid before only now they can’t spend on IFA and draft picks as well SO they lose their free ride on kids.

The non Spenders had it great get comps for letting kids go and could spend whatever they wanted in Overslot because they were no where near the Tax threshold…

UNTIL NOW!
Now they lose tax on overslot AND draft picks!
Which means no more overslot for draft centric teams and fewer comp picks to feed off of.

The ONLY ones not hurt by the new CBA and maybe even helped were the middle spenders!
Which is EXACTLY what the pices says if you had bothered to read and comprehend it!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205944 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:25:58 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205944 Luxury Tax did work before…Show proof it didn’t!

There was no Luxury Tax on Draft picks before!
And IFA have never been taxed either!

Now they are!
Which means that Teams who pick higher will run up to their bonus allotment quicker than someone who lets say picks last in the round.

So all you BUILD VIA THE DRAFT guys are now going to have a MUCH harder time!
You still only get so much Bonus to give out even if it means you get extra compensation picks.
And you won’t get AS many compensation picks as you used to!

How do they fill the holes then?
They have to spend in FA something they don’t do now!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205943 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:22:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205943 Don’t feel bad dude but to be honest you really should comment on WHAT is said more than Who said it.

Shouldn’t make a difference really who said it and comment on what they actually did say.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205942 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:21:00 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205942 No need to apologize to me Joe,
I was very curious to see what people would say about what I said without bringing their past with me into it.

Sort of a Social Experiment!
LOL
Maybe we try that later!

]]> By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205939 Donal Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:03:12 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205939 I get it better than you do, which is sad. I mentioned IFAs because they are falling under the same umbrella.

Question, if a luxury tax didn’t work before, why do you think it would work now? Because it is more? The biggest spenders on the market are also the largest revenue draws (the Yankees).

The reality is, the big free agent spenders don’t care. At all. They’ll pay the luxury tax. All these new rules do is punish teams that invest more in amateurs. It completely pushes the advantage back to the free agent spenders.

If you want to make it all equal, make repeat luxury tax offenders lose a roster spot.

]]> By: Joe D http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205934 Joe D Thu, 01 Dec 2011 01:24:08 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205934 I apologize guys for forgetting to include who wrote the fan shot, especially to you Mike. I posted it from my blackberry which was my first mistake. It’s corrected now.

]]> By: Bayonne Mets Fan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205929 Bayonne Mets Fan Thu, 01 Dec 2011 01:11:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205929 oh i’m sorry about that now i feel bad

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205928 Metsie Thu, 01 Dec 2011 01:08:44 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205928 Well Bayonne first off it really shouldn’t matter who wrote it if the intention is to comment on what they said!

I wrote this piece and did not care one bit about getting credit for it.

But I did think it might be interesting to see who replied and what tone they took without personal bias entering into it…

Cats out of the bag now!

]]> By: Bayonne Mets Fan http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/11/balance-is-the-key-to-the-new-cba.html#comment-205923 Bayonne Mets Fan Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:52:19 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=66137#comment-205923 i don’t understand, it’s completely anonymous! That’s not fair. I’m not gonna respond to a completely anonymous post – especially one that’s a blog post!

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