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2011
An Interview With MetsBlog’s Matt Cerrone
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Recently, Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog was kind enough to answer a few questions for me via email, in which he shares his thoughts on some of the issues facing the Mets and the current state of the team.
Joe – I am very concerned about Johan Santana despite the rosy outlook that he will be ready for spring training. First, he never came back last season and that really bothered me considering how many different timetables were set for his return. Not once did they say he suffered a setback, and yet I’d argue that he obviously did. He never made it back on the mound to face real major league batters. I was hopeful that maybe he would face real competition in winter ball this year, but he was shut down instead. You know the history with this team and by and large it’s the same trainers and medical staff we had in 2009 and 2010. Are you concerned? What are the odds Johan Santana is the Opening Day starter?
Matt – 99 percent. I understand your skepticism, but the people who watched him and worked with him in the minors don’t seem to have any concerns about him being ready for March, so why should I? I am less concerned about his presence and more worried about his ability. He is NOT going to be the same pitcher he was. He can’t. His body isn’t physically the same, and he’s older. I think he has the intellect and ability to do what is necessary (like develop more stark differences in his change up, get better command of his curve ball, etc.) to compensate for what will be an inevitable drop in velocity, but we haven’t see him do it yet… so, who knows?
Joe – Tell me how confident you are in an outfield comprised of Jason Bay in LF, Angel Pagan in CF and Lucas Duda in RF? I see three outfielders with huge questions. Bay of course is still baffled at the plate, Pagan regressed back to his former self, and Duda may be handed the job on the strength of a few good months which reminds me a lot of the “Daniel Murphy is our left fielder” situation. What’s your take and what would you like to see the organization do?
Matt – My sense is that Pagan will be on a different team. I think they’ll tender him a deal, but I expect him to be traded. I think the thinking is, the Mets can trade him for an arm, because Pagan can be viewed as a bargain, then sign a more affordable outfielder and basically two players for the price of one. But, if Pagan is here, I think that can be a decent outfield. It’s full of question marks, like you said. It has the potential to be outstanding, say Bay returns to form, Duda keeps progressing and Pagan does what he did in 2010. But, it can also be SO bad. How confident am I? In terms of offense, not very. Bay has been terrible, and, though I think Duda will have a nice career, I haven’t seen enough to be brimming with confidence.
Joe – I think we both agree that Citi Field needed to be a fair and neutral park as Sandy Alderson said regarding the new changes. It really was unfair to hitters especially right-handed batters like Wright and Bay. But on the flip-side, are you concerned at all about how the slimmed-down version will affect the rotation which for all intents and purposes benefited greatly from Citi Field last season. Take a look at these home/road splits: Pelfrey 3.94/5.49 – Capuano 3.82/5.42 – Niese 3.54/5.33 – Gee 3.17/5.74. That’s kind of scary, only Dickey remained consistent, but as a knuckleballer and Jedi warrior that’s not surprising. Should the Mets be concerned? Should Dan Warthen be concerned? Should fans be concerned?
Matt – Yes, I’m concerned. But, if the Mets are scoring more runs, that will help the pitching staff. Also, as Ike Davis was telling me the other day, the outfielders will be able to position themselves better as well, and that could actually have a bigger impact on the pitching staff than people will realize. Also, a more true read will help the team evaluate income talent better as well. In the end, I think it all balances out.
Joe - How in the world will Alderson address the negative tide of emotion, if Reyes were to really play for another team next season? What can he possibly say or do to calm what looked like a mob mentality for the space of about 90 minutes when it was erroneously reported he had signed a deal with the Miami Marlins?
Matt – I’ve talked with people at different levels of the Mets organization, and to a person they are prepared for how people are going to react. It’s interesting because in my time as a Mets fan, I don’t ever recall the majority of fans being so pragmatic about this situation. If you look at the polling I’ve done on MetsBlog, and I see this when talking to people face to face, though everyone wants Reyes to return, most people do not think the Mets should offer him more than a five-year deal. In fact, I asked how the Mets should react to the rumored five-year, $90 million offer from the Marlins and, while most people said the Mets should tinker with that deal to make it more attractive, 31 percent actually said to let Reyes walk and go to another team. 85% of 10,000 people said the Mets should not offer six or more years. So, the fans are in step with the team (at least based on people voting on MetsBlog) and that is literally the first time I’ve ever seen that happen. Nevertheless, if Jose signs a deal in Miami (even if it is for a contract that most fans do not advocate giving him), people will react negatively. Worse, people will assume it is because the Mets are broke, even though I am certain you will eventually read of them offering up to $20 million per season. It’s not about the money in this case, it’s about how Alderson valued the player Reyes will be over the course of this deal, and I just don’t think he thinks it’s smart to being Jose that much money in, say, 2016, 2017, etc., or about the time Ike Davis and hopefully guys like Matt Harvey, Zach Wheeler and others are looking to sign extensions and earn more money in arbitration. Personally, I’m going to be VERY disappointed if Jose goes, even though intellectually I agree with the team and most fans. It’s a weird situation. In some ways it’s a lose-lose for the Mets. The question, do they want to take the hit short term or long term?
Joe – Recently, Sandy Alderson confirmed the $100-110 million payroll figure for 2012. I recently became aware that this figure also includes allocations for next season’s Amateur Draft bonuses. That would actually put payroll for the active roster at around $93 to $95 million. During his first press conference, Paul DePodesta drew a comparison to the Oakland A’s and told reporters that working for the Mets would be like “Moneyball with money”. Sandy also made a similar comment on a conference call you and I both participated on before the season started. With everything that’s in play right now with Mets, is this really Moneyball with money or something entirely different?
Matt – Well, since Moneyball technically has NOTHING to do with total payroll, I don’t know. Moneyball is instead about using statistical evidence to identify opportunities in the marketplace that can be exploited for the best possible return on investment. And so, I have no idea if what the Mets are doing is ‘Moneyball with Money,’ because I am not privy to their research models and reasons for spending. DePodesta and Alderson actually laugh at the idea of the term Moneyball and they mostly dismiss that book as fiction, so they were probably joking around or at least being facetious when saying what they said. In either case, what’s the difference? Seriously, who cares what it’s called. I’m sick and tired of the Mets going through these half-ass boom and bust cycles like they’ve done since I’ve been born. I see a Front Office hellbent on remaking the franchise (from top to bottom) so that it can be consistent and have a way of doing things in place that can sustain success for a long, long time, instead of having to start over every 10 years. Is it going to pretty in the short-term? Probably not. But, if spending more on the draft or scouting gets a better, long-term product on the field, I’m fine with that… so long as it all works out in the end.
I want to thank Matt for giving us some of his time during what’s been a busy start to the Hot Stove season. We look forward to reading more of his reports on the Mets as the offseason wages on.
About the Author: Joe DeCaro
I'm a lifelong Mets fan who loves writing and talking about the Amazins' 24/7. From the Miracle in 1969 to the magic of 1986, and even the near misses in '73 and '00, I've experienced it all - the highs and the lows. I started Mets Merized Online in 2005 to feed my addiction. Follow me on Twitter @metsmerized.
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David Wright has finished Top 10 in NL MVP 3 times, won 2 Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Sluggers, driven in 100+ runs in 5 seasons, scored 90+ runs 4 times, and has been to 5 all star games
Jose Reyes has finished Top 10 in NL MVP 1 time, has won 0 Gold Gloves, 1 Silver Slugger, driven in 100+ RBI 0 times, scored 90+ runs in 5 seasons, has been to 4 all-star games, and won 1 Batting Title.
Better career average? Wright by 8 points
More career HR? Wright by 102
More career RBI? Wright by 302.
Most career hits? Reyes by 52
Most runs scored? Reyes by 36
Most SB? Reyes by 219
Better On Base? (since some will argue that is Reyes’ job): Wright by 39 points.
Most Doubles? Wright 59
Most Triples? Reyes by 82
My point is you blast Cerrone here and then finish it off with “by letting go the BEST POSITION PLAYER in the history of the franchise for draft picks? you have got to be kidding me”
Why is Reyes “the best position player in the HISTORY of the franchise”? Because he’s fast and you despise Wright?
Only in a Wright hating world would somebody look at those CAREER accomplishments and say for the HISTORY that Reyes was better than Wright.
Tell me why he’s better in the HISTORY please? Simply because of 2011? That’s it?
again, THE BEST POSITION PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE FRANCHISE. you have your opinion and i have mine, i don’t need numbers to know that.. as reyes go, so do the mets. meanwhile, all we hear is how much of a choker wright is, also, you forget that after delgado and beltran left he’s been EXPOSED!!!! trust me, i like wright, and i am on record saying he should’ve been the MVP of the 2007 season had the mets made the playoffs, BUT, it didn’t happen, i think he’s been a good player for us, but, him without delgado and beltran have been short of “the captain” we thought he was.. please gimme his number from 2009 up until now, the man is a shadow of himself…
Got it so 2010 and 2011 season are what you use when evaluating the “history of the franchise”
For me, if i’m comparing two players, I look at what they’ve done in their history with the team. I don’t cherry pick #s to fit my case.
If you’re saying Reyes is the best position player in Mets “history” than you’re valuing speed+triples over average+hr+rbi+obp+doubles
A: 102R, 183H, 41 doubs, 2 trips, 27HR, 106 RBI, 22 SB, .300 avg, .380 OBP, .508 SLG
B: 113R, 201H, 34 doubs, 15 trips, 12HR, 65RBI, 57 SB, .292 AVG, .341 OBP, .441 SLG
Not saying Reyes isn’t great. But Reyes had a great 2011 which is fresh in your brain. When you throw the word “history” out there, you are saying from the 1st day they suited up to the last day of 2011, Reyes was a better player than Wright and that is simply not true.
again.. you think right is the best, fine with me, i don’t think he’s nowhere near close to be the player edgardo alfonzo was, but that’s just me.. i respect your opinion, for once, respect mine and stop trying to have a debate out of this, i go to games from 3 to 10 times a year, i watch all the time, i don’t need numbers to tell me what i’ve been seeing with my own eyes.. nor need someone to text me the numbers about wright ok.
“i don’t think he’s nowhere near close to be the player edgardo alfonzo was”
are you drunk or something?
You’re going on record right here and saying “David Wright is nowhere near close to being the player Edgardo Alfonzo was.” I just want to make sure I don’t get accused of putting words in your mouth or anything.
You actually just typed that, read it and hit “Post Comment” right?
maybe not numberwise, but, to a guy like you who is gung ho on numbers that wouldn’t be considered right? i’m going to tell you this, the man was as clutch as they come, and had not be for injuries the man would’ve had a better career, defensively, the man was GREAT and wright couldn’t even shine his shoes, also, postseason, when it matter most, the man hit 300 with 4 hr’s and 25 rbi’s in 120 at bats.. don’t even let me remind you what wright did in the postseason he was part of…
“all we hear is how much of a choker wright is”
No, all you say is how much a choker other people told you to believe Wright is.
what?!?!
It amazes me how Wright’s name is the only one associated with choking when the whole team from top to bottom choked.Wrigh’t September numbers dwarfed Reyes’ but never a word about Reyes choking.I hear his 160 NLCS batting average mentioned all the time but no mention of his 333 avg in the NLDS.Hmmm. At least I’m fair,I call them all choke artists.
Agreed Joe Diaz been echoing similar thoughts for some time.
I see a Front Office hellbent on remaking the franchise (from top to bottom) so that it can be consistent and have a way of doing things in place that can sustain success for a long, long time, instead of having to start over every 10 years”
wow.. hellbent on remaking the franchise?? by acquiring guys like carrasco? trading all stars for PTBN and single A pitching with “high ceiling”? by letting go the BEST POSITION PLAYER in the history of the franchise for draft picks? you have got to be kidding me… that is why this is the best blog, no as-s kissing except for some losers here,
As someone who has seen all of these players many times, I would have to say that the best position player ever to be on the Mets is neither Wright or Reyes. Wright is a very good offensive player whose defense has suffered in the past few years, no doubt influenced by off-the-field issues. Reyes is an excellent shortstop and leadoff hitter who managed to put together a career year in his last year before free agency even though he was on the DL twice.
The player I refer to was in the top 5 in MVP voting 3 times, and won MVP once. He had a career OPS of .821, and won 11 consecutive Gold Gloves, among other awards.
Of course, I’m talking about Keith Hernandez.
I am guessing that they were just looking at home grown guys here.
You could make a strong argument there, but I think people here are referring to home grown guys. Other wise, I’d throw Piazza and Olerud in there
And Beltran
Steve the debate is about home grown Mets.I don’t think any of us could forget Keith.He was the man.
if it included career, then it would be willie mays.
I agree with most of his responses except for the Johan Santana answer. The fact that the Mets are not concerned so nor should we doesn’t cut it for me. The Mets were not concerned about Johan not coming back at some point in mid season last year and look what happened?
We got it Alex.
Fonzie was better in his career as a Met than Wright.
Wright “can’t shine Fonzie’s shoes”
Cerrone is not a real journalist.
Hmmm if this was an SAT question the next statement that correctly fits into that line of thinking would be
“Alex68 is a knowledgable fan.”
i’m walking on thin ice, i better lay low on the cerrone comments, you’re right jesseP, he’s the real deal…
Matt even talks more like Alderson does now, the metamorphosis is almost complete
wow Alex, classless. Now Cerrone isn’t a journalist? Why not? How many sit downs on the record with MLB players have you had? 0.
You’re not a journalist, so don’t lump Cerrone in with you.
And when you go to Metsblog.com and come back here to report “breaking news” you just prove my point.
Of course you are proving to not know your butt from your elbow today when you say things about David Wright like “i don’t think he’s nowhere near close to be the player edgardo alfonzo was”
You’re walking on thin ice Alex….
Alex, you are a real poison on this site. You talk like you were raised in a barn by a couple of hogs. You want respect but you don’t want to be respectable and act like a real lowlife. You only wish you could do what Cerrone does and you’re just envious.
squiddo, i don’t need to divulge information about my personal life, let’s just say no, i am not envy of anybody, and i thank god for that, and for the opp the lord has given me and my family to be in the position i am…
Amen brother
Again it’s not even close when comparing Wright & Alfonso. Alfonso is one of the best and most under-rated Mets of all time. Wright is the most over-rated Met of all time the way it’s going.
I wonder why?
I dare ANYONE on this site who has seen both perform to say they actually believe Wright helped their team win more than Alfonso. I dare anyone! If they say Wright then they are lying and or have another reason.
Edgardo Alfonso is one of the most important Mets of all time. The constant in the offense during those late 90s early 00 runs was PIazza & Alfonso. The roster changed around them, we had Olerud, Zeile, Ventura, etc. But always staying together was PIazza and Alfonso. I think of the strong 80s lienups when i think of those two.
Don’t make me laugh because Aflonso and Wright don’t even belong in the same sentence. If Alfonso performed like Wright did the Mets write a different history during those Valentine years
Bayonne:
“I dare ANYONE on this site who has seen both perform to say they actually believe Wright helped their team win more than Alfonso”
Baseball Writers of America:
1997: Edgardo Alfonzo 13th in Most Valuable Player (Piazza 2nd)
1999: Edgardo Alfonzo 8th in Most Valuable Player (Ventura 6th, Piazza 7th)
2000: Edgardo Alfonzo 15th in Most Valuable Player (Piazza 3rd)
2005: David Wright 19th in Most Valuable Player (#1 Met)
2006: David Wright 9th in Most Valuable Player (Beltran 4th, Reyes 7th)
2007: David Wright 4th in Most Valuable Player (#1 Met)
2008: David Wright 7th in Most Valuable Player (#1 Met)
2010: David Wright 24th in Most Valuable Player (#1 Met)
So 4 times the Baseball Writers of America felt that David Wright on teams with guys like Delgado, Beltran, Reyes was the most valuable player on the team.
0 times did they vote Fonzie to be the most valuable.
You’re ruining Fonzie’s name by even suggesting he had a better career as a Met than David Wright did. You called Fonzie a run producing machine yet he drove in 100 runs once and scored 100 runs twice. Wright has driven in 100+ 5 times, and scored 100+ twice.
Don’t make Edgardo Alfonzo something he is not.
Nobody in Cleveland suggests Carlos Baerga was a better Indian than Jim Thome.
Fonzie was a fine Met, but when you throw the word history out there you are suggesting that for 1,086 games Edgardo Alfonzo was a better baseball player than David Wright has been in 1,106 games is just Asinine.
Edgardo Alfonso was a MUCH better Met than David Wright. PERIOD!!!!!!!
David Wright in September .292
Edgardo Alfonzo in September .263
Edgardo Alfonzo with RISP: .317
David Wright with RISP: .292
Edgardo Alfonzo with 2 out RISP: .294
David Wright with 2 out RISP: .248
Edgardo Alfonzo in Late & Close: .298
David Wright in Late & Closee: .282
The ONL one of those so called “lutch” numbers that heavily leans to Edgardo is 2 out and runners on. That’s 435 at bats you’re using to declare Fonzie having a better career with the Mets than Wright with the Mets.
They both have been in a Mets uniform for 8 seasons. So you’re ignoring the facts that during 8 years Wright finished with a better;
Batting Average, Runs Scored, Hits, Doubles, Triples, Homeruns, RBI, BB, SB, .OBP, .SLG.
That’s EVERY Single Offensive category Bayonne. Every. Single. One.
such a useless waste of time. Comparing numbers.
I’m only interested in ONE THING and that’s WHO helped the mets win more.
it’s not even close. Edgardo Alfonso all the way and all the time.
Wright has HAD his opportunities. Difference is Alfonso has closed the deal and Wright has not. Those stupid numbers show NOTHING there is nothing relative to the Mets winning games in those numbers.
NOTHING!!!! (in best Gene Wilder yelling voice)
So you don’t want to see facts in a debate you just want your opinion to be the only one? got it.
So I assume this means Edgardo Alfonzo is the greatest homegrown Met infielder ever right? In your opinion I mean.
You are the biggest instigator on this site. You actually get off on starting these flame wars, and you never fail at being an ass who puts words in peoples mouth. You make this site suck. You and you alone.
these arguments get dumber and dumber and dumber. I’m talking about a guy who helped the Mets win and this clown is giving a popularity poll from BBWOA as his sources that Wright is better than Aflonso.
I’m talking about WINNING games and what it took to win games relative to the Mets and nothing else. Give Edgardo Alfonso over Wright anyday and ANYBODY who truly understands the game of baseball and not a pencil pusher who has an affinity for the game..will know that.
i knew the pencil-pusher was busy crunching numbers – it DOES NOT MATTER.
Alfonso HELPED the Mets win ball games and Wright has NOT when the opportunity was there.
I’m only interested in Winning ball games, not numbers crunching.
Edgardo Alfonso was a MUCH better Met than David Wright. Not even close.
Just a little tidbit about winning games and I’m only talking homerun wise
Alfonso had 0 walk off homeruns, 17 game tying homeruns, and 58 go ahead homeruns
Wright thus far 1 walk off homerun, 19 game tying homeruns and 65 go ahead homeruns
In a bad year for Wright, out with injury he lead the team this year with go ahead homeruns with 11.
PS – During his tenure as a Met Alfonso was one of my favorites……
Kay, you forgot to say one more thing: Case Closed!
useless info as that crap can be tweaked in a number of ways
It’s all RELATIVE.
Alfonso was a MUCH more productive Met when it came to winning games. There is no argument.
When it comes to who i and most people want to go to battle with in a big game – it’s Edgardo Alfonso. Kay, don’t try and mix it up w/the big boys okay?
Bayonne
“Alfonso was a MUCH more productive Met when it came to winning games. There is no argument.”
How can you say that when I PROVED to you that when the Mets WON games, David Wright played better than Edgardo Alfonzo did when the Mets WON games.
Your statement is proven false.
You don’t accept any line of thinking that has FACTS to back them up if it differs from yours. You’re so closed minded it’s ridiculous. If you say something was true 10 years ago, and I show you facts to prove you’re wrong… you dismiss the facts as useless info because you know what you saw.
Get over it. Fonzie was a great player…. but David Wright is a better player.
Just to be clear
Edgardo Alfonzo in Met Victories: .325 average, 682 hits, 444 runs scored, 375 RBI
David Wright in Met Victories: .342 average, 736 hits, 479 runs scored, 508 RBI
And oh by the way, Fonzie played in 571 Met W’s to Wright’s 558.
That means in LESS Wins, Wright has more hits, runs scored and RBI than Edgardo Alfonzo. In certain wins was Fonzie better than Wright? Yes. But when you start picking and choosing which games to look at, you end up with an argument that says David Eckstein was a more productive player than Alex Rodriguez. And we all know that isn’t true right?
Your STUPID, RIDICULOUS cunnalinguist act with numbers on this board is off the charts.
Those stats don’t even differentiate what types of wins, guess they include wins for Wright in June right?
Fonzie helped deliver the Mets to the post season BIG TIME when he was here. Given the same type of circumstances Wright has failed and I don’t care what type of stupid stat you put out here. Now go back and do more numbers crunching because you haven’t a CLUE of what it takes to win in the game of baseball and you’re such a slick, slithery, deceiving cretin that even if you did it couldn’t be trusted because YOU can’t be trusted
I KNOW what i’ve seen all of these years an NO ONE can EVER tell me otherwise. Edgardo Alfonso was a more important Met in their history than David Wright.
But I understand, Wright LOOKS like the type that should be a hero. I get it.
You know, when you resort to insults like that it just proves you cannot discuss or debate a topic. You’re wrong and you know it so you cowardly resort to tactics that worked when you were 10 years old.
David Wright from his rookie years through 2011 was a better player than Edgardo Alfonzo was in his 8 years with the Mets. He leads him in every offensive category, and even performs better in Wins.
All you have is a few memories of Fonzie. That’s it. You don’t want facts because facts prove what you know to be true as a fantasy and you’re not interested in being proven wrong.
You want to say Fonzie was better with RISP and 2 outs? Fine by me.
I want a hitter in innings 1-9, your constant desperation to act as though the only at bats that matter in the sport are what you deem clutch is so sad. Baseball is a 9 inning game, not a 1 at bat game that defines players. You remember that Fonzie is a great September player yet David Wright is a better September hitter than Fonzie. You’re talking Mets history, not just the 1999 and 2000 season.
Mets history. 8 years of Fonzie, 8 years of Wright. Didn’t you or Alex say Wright couldn’t even shine Fonzie’s shoes? 95, 96, 98, 01… you know when Wright had seasons that compared to those FOUR by Fonzie? 2011 when he had a broken back!
But don’t show you that because it may prove you hate Wright more than you hate being Wrong.
The Baseball Writers of America never even voted Fonzie the MVP of the Mets. They’ve voted Wright the MVP of the Mets 4 times! But don’t show you that because now the BBWA know less than Bayonne does.
You use this idea of specific spots to say Fonzie was a greater player than Wright.
So if you asked 100 Met fans to name the greatest Met from 1998 through 2005, who is it?
Mike Piazza right? No brainer right?
When Mike Piazza was a Met he hit .276 with runners in scoring position! Wright hits .292 but Wright is Mr. Unclutch right!?
98 .293 04 .281
99 .293 05 .298
00 .286 06 .365
01 .258 07 .310
02 .296 08 .243
03 .288 09 .309
04 .235 10 .260
05 .241 11 .255
And you won’t find me saying Wright is better than Piazza yet with a runner in scoring position, he was.
i am not wrong and don’t say that I know it because you’re wrong for assuming that.
I am right.
Edgardo Alfsonso was BETTER than David Wright and I don’t care what the Baseball writers vote on but as for the Mets. Fonzie helped the Mets win and get into the post season more than Wright ever helped his team…relatively speaking.
But don’t LIE and say “I’m wrong and I know it” because you’re wrong in thinking that.
Fonzie was simply better. I twittered that same question and it was retweeted by Michael Baron and EVERY response was they would rather go to battle with Fonzie in a big game than Wright. Every one.
So take your number spinning and your numbers that say Wright was better than Piazza w/runners in scoring position and shove them.
If anything smart baseball people, not pencil-pushing posers like the slippery eel, will realize that this debates shows more than ever how numbers can mislead and lead people far from the truth.
I simply know what i saw. It is as simple as that and I am VERY confident in my judgement.
Wrong confidence, be it weak or strong, is still wrong.
I love me some Fonzie, but you seriously cannot look at the numbers and tell me Fonzie was better than Wright. Well, I guess you can, but you can’t deny who had the better numbers.
And to be funny, I’m certain that the baseball writers are old school guys who know it when they see it, not just crunch numbers like a calculator.
Just because Wright has better numbers it doesn’t mean he’s the better player.Wright has better numbers than Keith Hernandez does that mean he’s better than Keith as well?
What about defense? Does that not count? Alfonzo could play 3 of them exceptionally well.Wright doesn’t even play his one position all that well. How many 2nd baseman play a full season and make only 4 errors.
2 of the most underserving GG i have ever seen in my life. both to david wright.. the other to jeter in 2010
” I twittered that same question and it was retweeted by Michael Baron and EVERY response was they would rather go to battle with Fonzie in a big game than Wright. Every one.”
So, a half dozen strangers on twitter mean more than accredited baseball writers.
They mean more than documented evidence.
If the exact same number of people gave the opposite answer, I wonder how you would be treating these results.
..assuming u already know who responded
that’s good. Go back on the couch,munch on potato chips and do a podcast
Only if you promise to stalk people and make empty threats at strangers on the internet
Is that how the big boys do things, they go on twitter and ask a question?
Edgardo alfonzo was a #2 hitter who produced as a #3. wright’s number were great when beltran and delgado were thumping the opposition, as soon as delgado left and beltran got hurt, you know, when it was time for wright to step up and be the leader and the #3 hitter we all thought he was, the man has hit 10 hr’s in a season, hit 254 in another while striking out at a alarming rate, yet people here are still looking for excuses as to why, from the bean ball, to hojo, to not having protection.. is amazing the pass this guy who it seems all mets fans want to trade for pitching. if he’s so great why do many, and by many, i mean majority of mets fans wanna trade him to keep reyes?
Just as an FYI I tweeted Adam Rubin and Evan Roberts and both said David Wright. How many games has Evan Roberts been to live compared to Bayonne I wonder?
Again I love, absolutely LOVE how Bayonne tosses the Baseball Writers aside as though they know nothing but then backs up his defense by random people with no credibility backing him up.
The fact that the baseball writers for america voted for Wright MVP of the Mwta 4 times and didn’t vote Alfonzo once means nothing. Because Alfonzo played on the same team as Mike Piazza.
Wright wouldn’t win MVP of the Mets either, if he played on the same team as Piazza those years.
I meant “MVP of the Mets”
By the way, what was the question you asked them?
Did you ask “who had the better Mets career?” Or did you ask “who was the better overall player?”
Because if you asked who had the better career, the’d say Wright, because Alfonzo’s career was runied by injuries.
Just wondering because the answer could be different depending on the question you aked.
actually jessep that’s a flat out LIE. you just lied out here.
Evan Roberts said Wright statistically but Fonzie clutch/glove. Which is what I’ve been saying all along. Forget Wright’s numbers it’s Fonzie I would want to go to battle with during a pennant race.
So you LIED jessep. You LIED to the readership. But i’m not surprised man because this is exactly what you are
Wright statistically…Fonzie w/ glove/clutch RT @mbranda41 over entire 8 years they were a Met, who was a better player? wright or Alfonzo?
jessep flat out LIED to the readership about Evan Robert’s response
“Just as an FYI I tweeted Adam Rubin and Evan Roberts and both said David Wright. How many games has Evan Roberts been to live compared to Bayonne I wonder?”
Evan Robert’s response
Wright statistically…Fonzie w/ glove/clutch RT @mbranda41 over entire 8 years they were a Met, who was a better player? wright or Alfonzo?
which is what i said all along – Give me Fonzie when going to battle during a pennant race and I said i don’t care about Wright’s numbers and I said that Wright is probably statistically better
but that doesn’t matter. Fonzie is still better IMO.
jessep flat out LIES out here on the boards again but i’m not surprised because that is exactly the type of slimy, slithering, snake that guy is
Bayonne, first of all, hapy thanksgiving to you and yours my friend. and second of all, why are you acting surprise at what he does? he’s been doing it forever. this shouldn’t come as a shock to you man..
And bayonne, he asked over their entire 8 years on the team – That skews everything. Because Alfonzo struggled the 1st two years when he came up, and had a lot of injuries.
If you just went by their entire 8 years on the team, i’d take Wright too. BUT, if you asked me who would I rather have when they were both at the peak of their careers, I’ll take Alfonzo.
Alfonzo was a better overall player at the peak of his career than Wright was.
I’m twice as old as Evan Roberts and season tickets were in my family from 1964-2008 and I can tell you for sure I’ve seen more Met games live than Evan Roberts.What does that have to do with anything?
“The Baseball Writers of America never even voted Fonzie the MVP of the Mets.”
That’s probably because Alfonzo played on the same team as Mike Piazza.
And you want to know why your numbers are wrong? Because, your counting seasons for Alfonzo when he wasn’t at the peak of his career – Like the four years after he played for us, and his 1st two years when he wasn’t very good.
I’d like to see what those numbers are if you only count his years when he was at the top of his game.
Solid post and good point.
wow Vinny i didn’t know that he included Fonzie’s numbers post-Mets on other teams. Wow.
That is just so unfair and dishonest.
My whole argument was who helped the Mets win more and of course it’s Fonzie. I also think he’s much better than Wright, a better and more diverse fielder than Wright, & smarter than Wright. Wright just has more power and has for a higher AVG more often..and both did their work for separate Mets teams.
Who do I want to go to battle with during a pennant race? Fonzie 1 million percent of the time all the time
Sorry, I’m wrong, I don’t think he used his numbers after the Mets – I thought he was going by his career numbers, but it looks like he just used his mets numbers.
…..but that could still skew everything, because your counting 224 games his 1st two season with the Mets when he wasn’t very good – I bet it changes a lot if you take those games out, and just count the years when he was at the top of his game.
That was what I originally thought. Without looking i was debating as if it was just a Met argument.
Of course the number can still be skewed because I’m not gonna go back and look at individual games back then to prove a point. Fonzie is the type of guy that got the most out if his hits meaning that even when slumping if he got a hit it was a big one that helped. And that can help you win more in important parts of the season than a guy who can just go 4 for 4 in a 10-1 route in a less important game.
Ike Davis is like that in that even when he’s slumping or looks bad at the plate he’ll still draw his share of walks while slumping, or his lone hit on a bad home stand would be a game winning hit. That’s how Ike rolls – he makes em count even when going bad and that’s how Fonzie rolled.
Wright will give you a burst of offense but when you need him the most, more times than not he’ll let you down. Fonzie was the complete opposite and most smart people already know that
Bayonne, so now we’ve changed it to a pennant race? So you’d take Fonzie no question over Wright in a pennant race… those happen in September and Wright is a better September hitter than Fonzie was. Go figure.
Vinny B: Actually the #s I have provided have been of Alfonzo ONLY as a Met. For 8 years which is the exact same time Wright has been a Met. You can’t cherry pick which Mets years to take. I even counted Wright when he was called up.
If you’re talking Mets “history” than Fonzie’s entire 8 years have to be looked at. Not 3 or 4 seasons.
I think people only care about when Alfonzo was at the top of his game, nobody cares about when he 1st came up, and struggled early on.
So, by counting games when he 1st came up and struggled, your skewing everything.
I’d like to know what those numbers would look like if you took out those 1st two years, that nobody cares about.
Vinny, I did that.
“Ok, I picked 1997-2000. I picked these because they were the only four years Alfonzo played more than 140 games, so he was clearly healthy. They also included his top three career home run totals, his top four RBI totals, his only three seasons in which he placed in the MVP voting and his only all-star season. These four years are without a shadow of a doubt Fonzie’s best years. He hit .305/.389/.477. Wright’s career (read again, career. It includes his first year in the majors, his recent three-year decline, his power outage in 2009 and his broken back last year). Wright’s career is .300/.380/.508.
So Fonzie’s very best years are as good as Wright’s average season. No one doesn’t like Fonzie. Most everyone loves him. Just no way you can watch baseball and say Fonzie was remotely better. It’s not to say Fonzie was bad. Not being as good as David Wright is still damn good.”
Ok, I picked 1997-2000. I picked these because they were the only four years Alfonzo played more than 140 games, so he was clearly healthy. They also included his top three career home run totals, his top four RBI totals, his only three seasons in which he placed in the MVP voting and his only all-star season. These four years are without a shadow of a doubt Fonzie’s best years. He hit .305/.389/.477. Wright’s career (read again, career. It includes his first year in the majors, his recent three-year decline, his power outage in 2009 and his broken back last year). Wright’s career is .300/.380/.508.
So Fonzie’s very best years are as good as Wright’s average season. No one doesn’t like Fonzie. Most everyone loves him. Just no way you can watch baseball and say Fonzie was remotely better. It’s not to say Fonzie was bad. Not being as good as David Wright is still damn good.
We al watched Wright drag this team kicking and screaming towards the playoffs in 07 and 08 and we all watched Fonzie hit .231 in September and October in 1999. But I don’t want to start picking on Fonzie, because he was great. But you can’t point to anything Fonzie did as a whole that was better than Wright. That’s not being honest.
maybe as a “whole” numbers wise you can give the edge to Wright but who do I and most people want with them to do battle in a pennant race?
No doubt it’s Fonzie.
And Fonzie helped the Mets win games defensively, he was smart and hit in big spots and won games.
And to say Wright dragged this team kicking & screaming towards the playoffs in 07 & 08 is false. I think Beltran, Delgado & Reyes had something to with that. Wright has more superior stars help him those years whereas Fonzie was usually THE go to guy along with piazza and of course w/Olerud in 99.
Big differences there.
You can put out there any number you can dream, research, and print. Fonzie is still the guy to go to when you needed things done. If we had a young Fonzie in 07 & 08 we are in the playoffs those years. Replace Fonzie with Wright in 99 and 00 that’s a big problem because Wright folds in big spots as most smart people who understand the game without needing to look at a stat sheet know.
So you’re saying Wright is the all around better baseball player than Alfonzo? Is Wright a better all around baseball player than Keith hernandez? Wright’s numbers are better than Keiths too.
Your backwards talk is getting comical now. “I think Beltran, Delgado & Reyes had something to with that.” Reyes was terrible down the stretch, so Wright had Beltran and Delgado with him. Ok. Moving on.
“Wright has more superior stars help him those years whereas Fonzie was usually THE go to guy along with piazza and of course w/Olerud in 99.”
Wright had superior stars, but Fonzie was THE guy……..withPiazzaandOlerud.
Go back in your cage and quit embarrassing yourself.
Delgado & Beltran were leaders on those Wright & Reyes teams and those teams had more offense-oriented stars than the 00 & 99 teams. Alfonso was a go to guy and leader along with Piazza and in 1999 Olerud so i don’t know what the hell you’re having trouble understanding. So don’t try and play me for a fool in front of the readership. You just can’t defend the fact that Edgardo Alfonso was so much better than David Wright ESPECIALLY when you needed him the most.
So why don’t you go for another free buffet and stuff your fat face this way you won’t be able to open your mouth and put your foot in it.
I’m actually having a good time eating you for breakfast. And feeding you your lunch. We all read what you said. Can’t backtrack it now or pretend you meant something else, which also doesn’t make any sense.
There’s nothing to backtrack – are you imagining things?
Edgardo Aflonso is better than David Wright and always has been. Fonzie has helped the Mets win when given the opportunity and Wright has cost the Mets post season play when given his opportunity.
GIve me Fonzie over Wright any day and MOST smart people who understand the game will want Fonzie watching their back in post season battle while Wright will be striking out in key spots.
You guys are throwing up numbers which is fine but none of you are mentioning the defense in this debate.The entire package as a whole,not just offensive statistics.Wright has gone from a decent 3rd baseman to a below avg 3rd baseman.Fonzie was exceptional at 3 infield positions.He came up as a slick fielding SS and was moved to 2nd and 3rd because of Ordonez.His 1st 2 years were like a Martin Prado role until 97 when he became an everyday player.To say Wright as a whole was better is not true unless you’re talking about offensive numbers only.The debate was better player.Player is all aspects of the game.
Also they’re not taking into account that Fonzie never recovered from the back injury he sustained over the 2000-2001 offseason.That injury ruined his career.Also I said Fonzie was the better all around player.Much better defensively and played 3 positions better than Wright plays his one position.Wright has better numbers than Keith Hernandez is Wright better than Keith too?I don’t get how they can just look at numbers and say Wright is the better player.Better numbers yes,better player no.
Ted Williams put up better numbers than Joe DiMaggio but Joe D was the better baseball player.
Right, nobody is factoring in that Alfonzo played very good defense, and that Wright’s isn’t very good on defense.
Hang on, Joe. That’s not fair to Fonzie. Keith was a generational, epic defensive player. Fonzie was good, but it’s an insult to Keith and unfair to Fonzie to compare them to Wright defensively.
What are you talking about Extreem? What’s unfair. The debate here is who was the better player.The one’s in favor of Wright have done nothing but throw out offensive stats.Nothing about defense and intangibles which is what should be taken into consideration when evaluating them as players.The debate wasn’t who put up better numbers,if it was it’s Wright no question. The guys who think Wright is better,obviously think that because of numbers.I’m taking the whole package into consideration All around player and when you look at the whole package offense,defense,baserunning,intangibles,clutch it’s Fonzie.He was a better all around player.That’s not a knock on Wright.He has the numbers but he’s not a very good defensive player.I’m asking those who think David is better because of numbers.Do you guys think Davis is better than Keith Hernandez.Wright has better numbers than Keith.I’m asking who was the better all around player.There’s nothing unfair.If you think David is better than Fonzie because of numbers than you obviously think Davis is better than Keith.As all around players I’ll go Keith,Fonzie and David 3rd.
no doubt Vinny
Good point. At their peaks I would take Alfonso too because he was always in the middle of rallies and like alex said, Fonzie was a 3 type hitter hitting 2nd. And you can play him at 3 positions and get an above average glove at all 3.
It’s funny how jessep is caught LYING. I’d be embarrassed. I mean what does he think that nobody else follow Evan Roberts here? And nobody else going to get anything he tweets or retweets?
Very embarrassing. Jessep is a proven liar but that’s to be expected considering the type of sniveling person he shows to be here.
“Kay, don’t try and mix it up w/the big boys okay?”
Why, do I scare you?
Again, since when is chauvinism any more acceptable than racism? This is 2011 right?
Bayonne…you have no idea what you are talking about. You insult people and expect them to take you seriously. Go away.
How about this:
David Wright postseason average .216.
Alfonzo postseason average .299.
Just sayin.
Plus Alfonzie never struckout more than 85 times and walked almost the exact same amount of times as he K’d.Fonzies intangibles which were likened to those of Jeter during that time,was the better baserunner stolen bases not withstanding and a better Situational hitter.The defense is not even close. Stat guys only see stats and not the overall game. I can’t imagine anybody that would rather have Wright up over Fonzie with the game on the line.
and let me add one more thing. If David Wright was able to deliver in big spots like Alfonso did then 07 & 08 are different story no doubt.
I don’t give a RATS ASS what the numbers say. I don’t give a RATS ASS what any periodical says.
I WATCHED the games as it happened and I’ve WATCHED the runs of both the Valentine & Omar years.
Edgardo Alfonso was responsible for helping the Mets WING. Wright was responsible for CHOKING when he HAD his chances to help the Mets win.
Edgardo Alfonso MUCH BETTER Met than David Wright. It is not even a discussion. But yet the slippery, slimy, pencil pusher who probably got beat up in school and never played a game in his life says otherwise. Yeah okay.
*Win, not wing
I watched both era’s too, I watch all the games, you are so biased with your hatred you are blind.
I don’t give a rats butt what YOU say your saw, you haven’t a clue.
well if you’re gonna sit there and tell me Wright helped his team win more than Alfonso and that you would prefer to go to war with Wright over Alfonso than either you’re flat out lying or you don’t know what the hell you’re looking and there’s no use in even explaining
I have to chime in here! No way in hell would I ever take Dacid Wright over Edgardo Alfonzo.Fonzie was a number 2 hitter so I don’t wanna hear about his RBI totals.He could play 2nd,SS and 3B and play all 3 at a GG caliber.He was as good a situatonal hitter that the Mets have ever had.had it not been for his back injury he would no doubt go down as the best homegrown position player in franchise history.Game on the line,more than any other Met in their history I want Fonzie in the batters box.He was a great player.Wright will have all the numbers but he’s not as good as Fonzie.Case closed!
So which totals as #2 hitter do you want to hear about? Scoring Runs? Ability to get on base? Batting Average? Stolen Bases?
You look at Fonzie this way because we look at that era with appreciation. We look at today’s era with distain.
Other than 2 outs with RISP there is no offensive category that tells me Edgardo Alfonzo was a better Met than David Wright. A few points here or there in Late & Close or RISP don’t sum up the case.
David Eckstein for his career did better Late & Close than Alex Rodriguez for his career. I love Eckstein, but there isn’t a chance in the world he was a better player than Alex Rodriguez. Not. A. Chance.
When you’re talking about a career and the HISTORY. You look at the entire body of work not cherry picked at bats.
David Wright and Edgardo Alfonzo both played 8 years with the Mets and Wright leads Fonzie in every single major offensive category and you can throw in WAR for our sabermetric friends.
Fonzie was a great Met. A great fielder and at times had memorable at bats but he wasn’t better than Wright in September and he was barely better than him with runners in scoring position and late/close situations. Barely better doesn’t make up for career domination at the plate, sorry.
There’s a BIG POINT BEING MISSED HERE..and that’s the tone of the newer way of thinking and it’s a COMPLETE DISGRACE.
The big point is WHO helped the Mets WIN GAMES! And it was Edgardo Alfonso.
Put Fonzie in all of Wright big spots in 07 & 08 and we’re in the playoffs. And not only that, i just take Fonzie over Wright as a player. Period.
So in 2007
Late & Close which are PA in the 7th or later with the batting team tied, ahead by one, or the tying run at least on deck.
David Wright hit .346 and hit .352 in September.
Alfonzo was a career .298 Late & Close hitter when in a Mets uniform and a career .263 September hitter in a Mets uniform.
But you say “Put Fonzie in all of Wright big spots in 07 & 08 and we’re in the playoffs”
“The big point is WHO helped the Mets WIN GAMES!”
Edgardo Alfonzo in Met Victories: .325 average, 682 hits, 444 runs scored, 375 RBI
David Wright in Met Victories: .342 average, 736 hits, 479 runs scored, 508 RBI
And oh by the way, Fonzie played in 571 Met W’s to Wright’s 558.
Weird how Wright has played in fewer Wins, yet played better when they won…. hmmm
What’s next?
again i don’t have to explain to the readers how those numbers could be skewed all kinds of ways. It’s an absolute disgrace.
Another thing to be learned from this debate is how numbers can not only skew things but they can DRAMATICALLY tell a different story than what actually happens during the course of a game and season. Those numbers can’t tell you that. It’s an absolute disgrace and downright stupidity.
Anybody who saw the games and races as it unfolded KNOWS that. There can be very little opportunity to win games with teams with little hitting, there can be opportunity to win games with a team full of sluggers – it’s ALL relative. There can be limited opportunities to win games in big situations and you cash in. There can be many times you can help your team win and the hits you get just are not enough or at the wrong time. Those numbers don’t tell you the big picture.
I know what i saw and Alfonso outplays Wright every time.
Alfonso also had a winning attitude and was a gutsy player, in addition to his offensive contributions. There’s so many ways that Alfonso was better than Wright it’s silly. But the pencil pushing wise-guy will come up with numbers even if he doesn’t really believe what he’s fighting for anyway.
The numbers can be skewed in ways you can’t explain, but your memory of something that happened over a decade ago that you saw through a television is infallible.
Got it.
right. Don’t show him facts supported by numbers. He remembers everything. Please.
Jessep, you make a fair point when you say “You look at Fonzie this way because we look at that era with appreciation. We look at today’s era with distain.” That may have some truth but with the exception of Jose Diaz saying “Game on the line,more than any other Met in their history I want Fonzie in the batters box” I would have to say Piazza is the guy I want there. Fonzie was a great Met and I don’t take it as a slight against Wright to say Fonzie was a better Met than Wright. Wright is also a great Met as far as I am concerned but if I had to pick between Fonzie or Wright at their peak I’d take Fonzie.
Game on the line I want Johnny O at the plate, followed by Keith then Piazza.
Get some Beltran up in there.
You’re looking at sheer numbers.Fonzie was a better all around player.His injury killed his career.No way in hell Wright can ever play 3B,SS or 2B at the same level as Fonzie.Fonzie was just better.The only thing he didn’t do well was run.
This.
I am a Wright fan but Jose Diaz pretty much nailed it in my opinion.
And just so everybody knows,I am in no way shape or form a David Wright hater.There was a time when I thought Wright was on a path to the Hall of Fame,after his first 4 seasons but he has regressed in the prime of his career.Fonzie was just an all around better baseball player.That’s no knock on Wright,just high praise for Fonzie.
Joe – tsk, tsk, tsk. Case closed after you make a point? No one can shut off debate by saying ‘Case closed’ unless they want some dramatic flair. You’re normally very level headed so that when I was scrolling up the Comments and I saw ‘Case closed’, I was almost certain it had to be someone else. C’mon Joe, there are points of view, some of which are not supported by numerical facts, some of which are not. If Player X was great, the facts will bear it out.
“… some of which are not supported by numerical facts, some of which are not.”
Should be “… some of which are not supported by numerical facts, some of which are.”
Fair point Des! Case closed is a little too strong but I will still say that Alfonzo was the better all around player than Wright is.Defensively Wright cannot do what Alfonzo could.Alfonzo could play excellent defense at 3rd SS and 2nd.He would’ve been our SS if not for Rey Ordonez and he played it extremely well in the minors and the small sample he played it with the Mets.I’m kind of shocked it would even be debated as much.Wright is not a very good defensive 3rd baseman.Alfonzo was very good at all 3 positions.And like I said,with the game on the line I’ll take Fonzie more than any other Met,past or present.
I agree that Fonzie was underrated and terrific as a Met, but why do people feed the need to attack another player? Why attack a guy who shows empirical evidence that the second player was better than the first?
And we all watch the games. that is why we are here. To say you are some kind of authority over someone because you do the exact same thing we all do is arrogance and ignorance. And when you have to start off insulting people and attacking things no one has said before you ever make an relevant point, it says bad things about you.
Period, end of discussion, story’s over, dramatic punctuation, here endeth the lesson, so say we all AND THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE…..you get the idea.
I love David Wright, and Sandy Alderson is the best GM the Mets have had since Cashen. Go Mets!!!
this conversation is so asinine – piazza, carter, and hernandez were all better position players than reyes, wright, or alfonso.
call me when either of reyes, wright, or alfonso make the hall of fame or help their team win a world series.
carter’s in the hall, piazza will be, and hernandez helped 2 teams win a world series, including the mets.
francis: I believe the discussion was more centered around “homegrown”
no the conversation had NOTHING to do with homegrown.
just answer this question francis – who do you thing was a better Met? Alfonso or Wright? And who would you rather go to battle with in a big game? Alfonso or Wright?
Just answer those 2 questions. That’s all this is about.
the debate just happen to involve homegrown and that was not in my thinking when the debate started so let’s not go off track. The Piazza comment you’re taking out of context.
Just answer those 2 questions.
Strictly a better Met is Wright, no slight on Fonzie. It’s like picking Victoria’s Secret models. Pick whomever you want, their still, well, Vickie S models.
Better offesive numbers yes but that doesn’t mean Wright was the better player.Defensively Alfonzo was better and it didn’t matter if it were 2nd 3rd and even SS. You can honestly say that Wright could play those 3 positions as well as Fonzie.Fonzie played a full season at 2nd base and made only 5 errors.Fonzie was an awesome defensive player and Wright was never all that good defensively despite the fact that he won 2 GG’s.Raffy Palmeiro on a GG playing 17 games at 1B and the rest at DH so we all know what a BS award the GG is.
Wright is better over his career, but Alfonso was better in big games.
If I needed a guy at the trade deadline, I might take Alfonso, but for a career, I’d draft Wright.
Just my opinion.
I feel that Wright has been taking too much of the responsibility on his shoulders for the collapses in 2007-8 and the general decline of the team. No one but David, for the most part, has stood up and handled the thankless job of handling the media. I think that this long bad run since 2006 has been the first time he’s had to deal with losing on a regular basis in his entire baseball life. He hasn’t had a real team around him for a long time now, not in a sense of a group of players pulling together. That is the ONE good thing I’ve seen in the past year or two, this new group of players coming together as a team. We’re forming a new core of Mets, and when our pitching prospects are ready in a year or two, hopefully our beloved owners (sarcasm intended) will spring for the one or two players we’ll need.
X, I’m talking about the RISP stats Jessep showed.
So Matt Cerrone, Evan Roberts, Michael Baron plus numerous other tweeters/bloggers (which was who I don’t know) have all said Fonzie is the go to guy.
The only guy to say Wright was better all-around was Michael Baron. But he still said as for clutch spots? Fonzie is the guy to go with
Exactly what I was saying all along. Despite the numbers Fonzie is the guy you want. And personally I’d take him over Wright….period.
Right, and they are just showing hitting stats, they aren’t factoring in defense.
actually i left out that in Evan Roberts response he favored Fonzie defensively too! He said as for the number Wright, but as for clutch & defense it was Fonzie
So, when they agree with you, they are credible and reliable, but when they disagree with you, they are no nothings, mouthpieces for Alderson and all the horrible things you’ve said about them and others as professionals and as people.
Hypocrite.
is funny how me mentioning how imo reyes is the franchise’s better player. then it turned to alfonso versus wright, then i’m told that what am i basing reyes being better than wright, on his 2011 season? yet all people here talk about is his 2007 season, 5 years ago, when i thought the man was on his way to be a legendary met, ohh how times change. now he’s a trade commodity for the mets, and what realistic met fan does not view this guy as an all time choker in big spots? from the 2006 playoffs, to leaving murphy stranded at 3rd in 2008, to his latest epic failure in sept 11 in 2011. i mean..
Bayonne, the reply button didn’t work for some reason. Regarding what jessep posted I just wanted to tell you that “liars always instigate, and instigators always lie”. So said Billy Martin.
But, I must call you out for that comment you made to Kay about “big boys”. You owe her an apology.
Maniac, happy thanksgiving to you and yours my friend. regarding bayonne owing kay an apology, he should and he shouldn’t apologize to her. she’s a baiter who all seem to do is wait for someone to make a comment and then comes in trying to bait people to get them banned. also, bayonne, you kinda owe an apology to all the women in the site, there are some good readers here and writers, is thanksgiving my friend, is better off that way.
Bayonne is just flat out rude. But yes, Kay does bait a bit.
no argument there Kevin,
I may be rude, lose my temper, curse people out but i’d rather but like that then lie, bait, and be snarky. I may be wrong on calling talent and stuff like that but i don’t lie, spin and do any of that other stuff
just rude, lol
no way Maniac, never… i don’t like her one bit and she’s come out here and misunderstood arguments as attacks before and has called me crybaby for stating my opinion so she’s no angel. Far from it.
She should just trying sticking to the subject too but she doesn’t so she gets what she deserves. And that’s when i actually respond to her cuz usually i don’t
Thanks Maniac I appreciate your effort.
Funny thing is, I keep getting called a baiter, liar, I try and get people banned, had blatant lies made up about me, yet this ENTIRE thread of posts from the boys club is in response to MY post that was geared towards no one, but had actually Statistical facts talking baseball………
Why do people insist on arguing with the mentally challenged? This is a nice article/interview where decent questions get asked and answered, and it turns into a flame war with some poor shmoe who ignores all facts, reasons, logic or anyone with an IQ outside of double digits and berates everyone into FONZIE IS THE BEST POSITION PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE METS.
Derp? Why does this site permit such retardetry to continue all the time? Guess I needed a reminder of why I don’t visit here very much.