Comments on: MMO Top 20 Mets Prospects – #9 Cesar Puello, OF

By: Joe Diaz

Joe Diaz — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 05:12:16 +0000

average defender at best I meant.

By: Joe Diaz

Joe Diaz — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 05:10:41 +0000

You get by the numbers they put up? Sorry but it doesn’t work like that. Some random fan doesn’t get to rate prospects.Pro’s get to rate them. I’m not knocking Arenado I happen to like him but he’s nowhere near the hitting prospect that Mike Trout is.Not even close.
Arenado 298/349/487/836 OPS 32 2B’s 22 HR’s 122 RBI’s Nice numbers but other than RBI’s nothing eye popping either.Mike Trout 326/414/544/958 OPS 18 2B’s 13 3B’s 11 HR’s 38 RBI’s 33 SB’s. Trout a leadoff hitter in AA with a 958 OPS is outrageous.Arenado had a 836 OPS in A ball,good but not spectacular. David Wright who you want to trade for Arenado in his worst MLB season had a higher OPS than Arenado did in A ball.If you’re gonna rate a prospect by RBI’s your scouting career won’t last too long.Arenado is not even the best prospect in the Rox organization.Best prospect on Colorado for hitting for avg. And btw when you combine AA and MLB Trout hit 16 HR’s only 4 less but he has a higher slug% 544 Trout and 487 Arenado.Arenado is an average defenser at bets.Trout projects to be a GG CF’er.
Harper was an 18 year old in AA,hit 256,not good but hardly overmatched for the youngest player in the league 318/423/554/977 OPS is pretty special in A ball for an 18 year old.
Again I’m not saying Arenado isn’t a legitimate prospect but he’s not number 1.Theres alot of hitters with a much higher BA/OBP/SLG%/OPS than Arenado.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 04:41:17 +0000

“I get by the numbers they put up.”

That’s your problem. Your ignoring the whole scouting aspect of this. It’s not about numbers, especially when your talking about kids who are only 20 years old, like Puello.

If you only looked at the numbers, you would think guys like Beltran and Ike Davis were garbage after they put up bad numbers in the minors for a season or two……but you would be way off – Just like you are with Puello.

There’s a LOT more that goes into these rankings than numbers.

By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado

Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:37:05 +0000

I get by the numbers they put up. Trout hits for a higher average, but his power is nowhere near Arenado’s. And Harper is being pushed along too quickly. He killed A ball…but was heavily overmatched in AA. Maybe you should actually compare the players…rather than just picking the names of the most publicized players.

By: Joe Diaz

Joe Diaz — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:44:56 +0000

As much as I like Arenado he is not the number 1 hitting prospect in all of MILB.Number 1 is Mike Trout,followed by Bryce Harper. I don’t know where you got that from,it’s not the case.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:08:41 +0000

Here’s why you shouldn’t care so much about minor league stats:

Carlos Beltran hit .229/.311/.363 in 120 games when he was 20 playing in A ball(same as Peullo)

Ike Davis hit no HR’s and had 17 RBI in 58 games in his 1st year in the minors.

Johan Santana at age 20 in A ball had a 4.66 ERA 1.35 WHIP.

That’s why you can’t judge prospects only by numbers like your doing because most of the time, your going to be wrong.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:47:32 +0000

I just wanted to point out that he isn’t as bad as your making him out to be. He is actually a good prospect. And if you weren’t negative 100% of the time, you would see that. Of course Arenado has passed him now, but Puello can’t be as bad as your saying he is because less than 12 months ago he was considered a better prospect than Arenado.

Puello is a good prospect – That’s all I’m saying.

By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado

Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:27:56 +0000

“Last year,” “Last year,” why is it as Mets fans we are always inclined to live in the past? Nolan Arenado is the top offensive minor league prospect in all of baseball. Puello, on the other hand, is a guy who decided it was time to add power to his resume, and as a result, saw his average drop 33 points from the prior year. Even with that boost in power, his slugging percentage was a putrid .397. However, he did see a rise in 1 category…his strikeouts increased to 103 from 82…however, in his defense, he did have 19 more plate appearances. Arenado, on the other hand, since you decided to compare the 2 players (which is a joke), was also in A+ ball this past season, where he batted .298/20/122 (517 ABs), and that was an increase from the previous year where in A ball he hit .308/12/65 (373 ABs). But, their strikeouts are comparable…in those 890 ABs, Arenado had 105 K’s…Puello had 103 in his 441 ABs. My bad, that was Puello’s K total in ’11, I combined Arenado’s K total from ’10 & ’11, I guess their K’s aren’t comparable either. Let me know who is ranked higher this year…or if Puello is even in the top 200. Take off the blue and orange goggles fellas, if Puello is the gem you’re going to talk up, at least be realistic…may be, if he makes more contact and shows he can field, he can top out as Timo Perez.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:41:45 +0000

And by the way, Baseball America ranked Puello 77th in their top 100 list last year….so it’s not like we are only saying he’s a good prospect because he’s a Met.

And I find it kinda funny that he was ranked a few spots higher than Nolan Arenado.

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:54:51 +0000

Have you ever seen him play? Or are you saying he has no talent just because of his numbers as a 20 year old? It sounds like it.

What your not taking into account is that he was only 20 last year, and that as he gets older, he’ll get stronger and hit for more power. He’s a tremendous athlete – According to Pete, he was considered one of the strongest players in the league in 2010, and he said he’s “Angel Pagan fast”.

His errors in the field could be due to inexperiecne, and I’m sure as he gets more experience, he’ll get better – He certainly has the skills to be a good OF……The numbers won’t show you that though, they only tell you if he did good or bad, not WHY he did good or bad. How do you know that his errors can’t be something that can be fixed? You don’t.

And he has produced in his other years in the minors – He hit .305, .296, and .292 before last year…why dosen’t that count?

By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado

Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:12:08 +0000

True guys…you make great points…sure in 4 seasons this kid has shown that he cannot produce offensively or defensively, however, he certainly looks the part of a potential stud. Gotcha…makes perfect sense. Sure, his amount of errors has increased over the past 2 years (as a RFer), but he certainly looks the part of a future MLB CFer. Great evaluations, not at all biased to the fact the he is a Met farmhand. I’m sure you’d feel the same way about this kid if he were with the Phils, Braves, or Yanks. If this kid truly is the Mets #9 prospect…they are in even worse shape that originally believed.

By: Petey Pete

Petey Pete — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:48:04 +0000

“The evaluation of him in this post is horribly misguided” Something is ‘horribly misguided’ all right, but it’s not my evaluation of Cesar Puello my friend. Your brain is rather horribly misguided. Let me just say this: I am not the least bit concerned with low level minor league stats. They can start a discussion. But they cannot end one. You seem to think that the fact that Puello made 8 errors in low A ball as an 18-year-old, and 10 errors in high A ball, as a 19-year-old, is somehow significant, and defines him as a prospect. That it is an indication of what kind of fielder he will be one day if he makes it to the big league level. I don’t. Those stats don’t interest me in the least and bare absolutely no significance. He projects to be a top flight outfielder one day soon, and if he hasn’t been up to now it is of no consequence. Have you ever seen him play, TWfNA? I have, and I have also seen Jason Tyner play. And if YOU think for a second that those two players are/were at all similar, in any way, then you really have no idea what you are looking at when you watch baseball. Just on the surface without even considering one statistic, Jason Tyner’s playing weight was 170lbs. Puello outweighs him by over 50 lbs. To even compare these two players any further would be totally asinine.

By: Mack Ade

Mack Ade — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:25:21 +0000

Pete, ask any scout that follows this team who the top outfield prospect is and they universally tell you Puello.

But… we just keep waiting…

By: Vinny B

Vinny B — Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:11:01 +0000

His evaluation of him isn’t misguided at all – Puello does have power and speed. Just because his numbers don’t show that, doesn’t mean that it’s not true.

Minor league numbers are very misleading. Because if a player has bad numbers that doesn’t mean that they don’t have the talent or the potential to make it to the majors – look at Ike Davis’ 1st year in the minors – he hit NO HR’s. And he has turned into a good power hitter in the majors.

Peullo is ranked this high because of his talent, and because he’s very young – Your just looking at his numbers, and a lot of times they can be misleading when it comes to young players like Peullo.

By: Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado

Trade Wright for Nolan Arenado — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:36:37 +0000

High strikeouts, poor defense, poor OBP…could someone explain why he is rated so high, he has done nothing to show that he is even good enough to play in AA. The evaluation of him in this post is horribly misguided: “Defensively Puello is an above-average right-fielder, with a very strong, and accurate throwing arm. But thanks to his defensive skill and speed, there is no ruling him out as a center-fielder at this point…” Really?!?! In 254 games as a RFer he has a .963 fielding percentage and this is “above-average”??? Or, I loved this quote too, “The thing about Puello that makes you take notice, is his combination of speed, power, and youth.” This is hysterical! Coming into 2011, in 198 games, this kid hit 7 HRs…in 2011 he hit 10 HRs, and his average dropped by 40 points. I’ll give him credit for one thing though…he is very fast….but so was Jason Tyner.