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2011
Who Will You Blame If The Mets Fail To Sign Reyes?
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This morning, Andy Martino of the Daily News broke the stunning news that the Jose Reyes negotiations won’t be quick. A real shocker, huh? This startling revelation made big headlines across the Mets blogosphere and quickly spread like wildfire. Umm, yeah, okay, whatever…
While I was pondering the ridiculousness of this morning’s Mets news cycle, it did get me to thinking a little bit about this whole Jose Reyes situation. You already know my feelings on Reyes as I’ve been saying he won’t be a Met next season since the All Star break… Much to my dismay…
As I’ve repeatedly said, if they really wanted Jose Reyes back, they would have negotiated a deal back when Reyes was open to negotiating and practically begging for the Mets to try and get something done before Spring Training started. But instead they opted to simply pick up the team option, ramble off a few carefully chosen words about Reyes and his OBP, and then pop-off even more carefully chosen words about stolen bases being a footnote… And here we are now…
Let’s fast-forward to some random day in December, when we will all find out which team Jose Reyes will finally sign with. When that day comes, I imagine that many of you will be angry and upset. Who would you blame?
1. Fred Wilpon – For only giving Sandy Alderson a $110 million dollar payroll budget? For saying Jose Reyes wants, but will not get Carl Crawford money?
2. Sandy Alderson – For making little effort to negotiate an extension with Jose Reyes when he had the opportunity and the Reyes camp was ready to negotiate? For making disparaging comments about Jose Reyes’ game, which was only intended to soften the blow of his inevitable departure? For having a $110 million dollar budget, but being unwilling to expend any of it to keep Reyes?
3. Jose Reyes – For trying to get the best deal he can for himself and his family like most ballplayers?
4. Curt Flood – For helping to usher in free agency and because I wanted to add a fourth option to this list?
At whose feet will you lay the blame, when Jose Reyes officially becomes a former Met while in the prime of his career?
By the way, expect a week-long celebration of Jose Reyes whenever that day comes, similar to the Carlos Beltran Appreciation Week we had after he was traded which turned out to be an astounding success for the site.
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I just can’t really dwell on thinking about who to blame for something that may not happen. I am sure I will have ample time for that when and if it does.
Sandy Alderson no doubt,
That’s his job, that’s what he’s hired to do. The buck stops with him.
No matter what the circumstances? If another team offers him $200 mill for 10 years and SA won’t/can’t match that, than that’s SA’s fault?
What is a reasonable offer? Sky’s the limit?
Knowing, how lackluster the pitching staff is from SP/BP………….
I will give Alderson a pass on that. You’re right.
If it’s an unreasonable offer he gets from another team than I wouldn’t try and match it myself. I’m just saying if the GM seriously wanted Jose back we would have heard things already. Usually in cases like these we’ve always heard in the past “Signing so and so should not be an issue we just both have to agree on a number but I don’t think there’ll be any problem’ something like that. Kind of like how it’s discussed when Brian Cashman’s contract comes up. It’s more of a matter than just formalities than anything else. That’s not the case here. Of course I have no proof but I don’t think Alderson has even contacted Jose’s people at all so far.
Fred sets the budget – that’s where the buck stops.
The buck stops with Wilpon.How many times have we heard him use that phrase.He’ll never sign Reyes to a long term deal.Mark my words.He’s a goner.He still hasn’t paid MLB back or the Citifield and SNY debt payments.Einhorns money was oing towards all of that.
Alderson never wanted Reyes.
Maybe at 1st he didn’t but the way Jose played ths year changed his tune.He wants him.Fred Tampon doesn’t.
I honestly do not remember a time when team reyes was publically begging for a contract offer. Certainly not offering a team friendly deal of any sort.
I’ll blame Sandy
He had ample opportunity to extend Reyes before Crawford got his Reyes changing deal and refused to take it!
Not only could he have signed Reyes to less than Crawford he could be focusing on what to do with Wright right now and not be worrying about the Reyes situation!
Because if we are going to keep Wright this is the year to extend him just as last offseason was the year to extend Reyes!
Maybe I’ll blame Jessup too just because he’s been the PR point man of the purge the payroll concept! LOL
Ample time? The Crawford deal was signed like a week after Alderson took the job.
Oh you need more time than that?
Should have been his first order of business not getting someone to run his spreadsheet!
Yes, I would need more time than that. Mainly because I live on planet earth where getting a full assessment of a billion dollar property does not happen over a lunch break. Especially when you have some major restaffing to accomplish.
Yeah you I expect would need two years to decide and do it.
You would have to wait to see what Jessup said first!
If Reyes proves to be more of the 2010 Reyes over the course of his new contract, will you look back and applaud Alderson if some other team signs Reyes for like a 7y/110mil deal? Or will you still be angry?
It depends on where he goes Jessup.
Cause performance is dependent on SITUATIONAL COMPARATORS!
If he goes to a small park then he won’t maintain that SLG you love because he won’t get as many triples!
If he goes to a team that has no guys behind him and he maintains OBP I can’t blame him for fewer RS!
Just as I don’t blame Wright for not hitting 30 HRs when he doesn’t have Beltran and Delgado hitting 40 in the same linup and a .250 hitter protecting him now!
I don’t care how much Reyes gets paid. Money is not the limiting factor in team building. ROSTER SPOTS are!
And if the SS position loses more than we can gain by spending that money elsewhere then it will be a mistake!
HOWEVER if Sandy takes that money and goes and buys a good ACE and Reyes tanks then you can’t blame him!
The question posed was WHAT if reyes maintains!
That assumes the situation he needs to succeed exists wherever he goes!
And if he maintains but we do not make up for it elsewhere then you have no chopice but to say Sandy made a mistake!
What that Mistake is can be debated…Not keeping Reyes or not using that money to make up and trade for performance elsewhere…
No matter which one you pick the blame will still be on Sandy!
If Reyes goes he had better not POCKET that saved money and spend it on someone who makes up MORE than we lost with reyes regardless of what he does elsewhere!
And if he doesn’t he will have made the team WORSE not better!
StLouis is in the same position right now aren’t they?
Is Pujols worth the money?
Considering where they would be without him you have to say yes!
Considering where would be without Reyes you also have to say YES he is worth it!
There isn’t a GM in any sport that would walk in and hand aguy that just had three years in a row with DL time an extention! No way
Except Brian Cashman and Derek Jeter I suppose?
Jeter was on the DL? I thought Jeter’s last DL stint was 2003 before this season?
You are not silly enough to compare Reyes and Jeter are you?
After the way Jose played in 2010 he would’ve been foolish to just extend him.Letting him play out the season was the right move.The Yanks always do it that way.Make them earn it.Jose did.Now it’s time for Fred Tampon to open the checkbook up and right Jose a check.I doubt he will though.Tampon wants nothing to do with another big contract.
I’ll blame Wilpon.
Absoulutely.He signs the checks.he has final say.If he wants Reyes then Reyes will be here.I don’t think he does.He’s just worried about retaining the team and he’s running out of rope.
Reyes will play wherever he wants. If he wants to stay then let him sign a team friendly deal. Otherwise get lost and take your selfish attitude and your greedy millions with you. I only want players who love the game and give it their all every season not only in their walk years like Reyes did.
Yeah, the enthusiasm Reyes shows and the HUSTLE he shows everyday are sure an indicator he’s selfish and doesn’t give his all.
Sounds like you dislike Reyes for OTHER reasons besides baseball. But the guy who hustles the LEAST – David Wright – I bet is your favorite player, am I right?
Maybe Reyes should speak clearer english for you too?
Dont you dare play that game with me. Reyes sure picked a great time to have a career year, huh? His walk year. For someone who claims to know the game, you sure don’t show it. Carlos Beltran was my favorite Mets player and stop stooping to new lows.
Bayonne, please rethink off your reference:
“Maybe Reyes should speak clearer english for you too?”
This is one step removed from race baiting. A solid baseball fan like Nester is too sharp to buy into that kind of nonsense. Actually I think you don’t really buy into it either. It’s probably just a tactic you use when you’re taking heat.
Wow, trying to throw the race card when you used an ethnic slur in the shoutbox yesterday?
And of course, certain people who play that same card were there and said nothing to you.
You realize he was saying that IF Reyes leaves for more $ that it makes him selfish and greedy right? And Nester has a fair point in that Reyes’ best year happened to be in the year his $ was on the line.
Whether you AGREE that it was a motivator, its true that his best year came at the best time for Jose Reyes
“Maybe Reyes should speak clearer english for you too?” How come people can’t have opinions on a player without their race coming up? It’s such a cowardly technique to try and bully people into your way of thinking. I don’t remember seeing people get on you or others for your views of David Wright simply because he’s white? Why? Because it’s a dumb thing to say.
And by the way Bayonne… are you kidding me with this “the enthusiasm Reyes shows and the HUSTLE he shows everyday”
The hustle he shows everyday? 2009: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/what-to-do-when-a-player-doesnt-hustle/
Or how about 2007 when Willie benched him? http://www.aolnews.com/2007/07/07/jose-reyes-benched-for-not-hustling/
Please… hustle everyday? Now we’re just making stuff up?
Yes there were a couple of instances and i DO remember them vividly
But outside of that he hustles hard ALL THE TIME whereas David Wright practically jogs to 1B on groundballs sometimes.
Jose Reyes hustles. Period. ANd he hustles more than most. Period.
That’s the general idea.
He sure hustled off the field in game 162. There’s your hero. A paper champion.
that was a decision. He actually DID HUSTLE on a bunt hit.
So X is wrong again…but if it was Wright i’m sure he’d give David all the support in the world.
Everything is upside down. Wright it the guys who NO DOUBT is guilty of not hustling MOST of the time and should be the one being moved while Reyes, the guy who should be part of the future is the one being let go most likely.
And hustled straight for the dug out once he secured his own title.
Never said he didn’t hustle on the hit. Is it that you can’t read, or that you choose to make things up so people look wrong, but instead make you look 4 years old? Also, show me where I credit David Wright for not hustling. You seem to be pretty good at digging up old posts and showing them out of context, but I bet you can’t even find one remotely close now.
That’s exactly what he does.I love how he says wrong again,meanwhile he’s never right about anything,he’s just looking for confontation just like his buddy Alex,but where is the other musketeer Omar fan? Did he finally get the boot?
Do you have any idea how many players that don’t run full speed on groundballs hit right at the 2nd baseman or 1st baseman.Keith Hernandez did it his whole career.Wright plays the game as hard as anybody and has never been benched for lack of hustle.Reyes does the same thing on routine grounders to the right side,he busts it when he thinks he has a chance to beat the play.
Terry Collins even told Reyes he doesn’t need to bust it and risk an injury to his hammy on a ball hit right at a right side infielder unless he feels he can beat it.
Did Wright ever get picked off 1st base by a catcher because he was walking back to the bag from his lead without paying attention?No but Reyes has. Did Wright ever let a groundball get by him that was a foot to his left because he was not paying attention and did not know the pitch was thrown? No but Reyes has in LA July 2010 right after the AS Break on a ball hit by Furcal one foot to Reyes left he never reacted to the ball because by his own admisssion he did not no the ball was pitched.Wright has never fallen asleep in the field like Jose admitted to because he loses focus.
This is an excellent baseball player in the prime of his career that’s a 9 year veteran that makes the same damn menal mistakes and baserunning mistakes he made as a 20 year old kid when he 1s came up.Back then they called it over aggressivness but now at 28 he still makes bad baserunnung mistakes,has mental lapses on the bases when taking a lead off the base and still has mental lapses in the field and sometimes reacts late because he loses focus. I’m as hard on Wright as any other Met fan but he doesn’t make an 8th of the mental mistakes as Reyes.
If not for Daniel Murphy,Lucas Duda and Angel Pagan Reyes would be known as a low IQ player but since we have all those other low IQ baseball players Reyes gets a pass.If Reyes had a debate with a foot long hotdog he would lose.
Hey, duda is a smart player. He has a good clue what is going on.
as usual very unfair examples cited by the sniveling guy.
He points out 2 instances with the most recent 2 YEARS AGO – in order to attempt to prove to the readership that I “made things up”
I think the problem around here is normal people are being forced to try and have a logical debate with unfair institgators like jessep who always try and play a “Gotcha” game but don’t want anybody to get mad at it. Like the sniveling ambush he attempted on me yesterday. I’m honest, i just hate these people and have to stop talking to them.
You said “everyday”
Your words, not mine.
How many times have there been lengthy discussions about a manager (two managers!) having to possibly bench Wright, Beltran, Duda, Bay, Davis, Thole, Murphy, Tejada, Turner for their lack of hustle?
That’s so weird right? But Jose hustles every day… except for you know the days he blatently didn’t. See when you say stuff like that then you respond that I hate Jose Reyes. But it’s not true. I hate people that paint him out to be something he is not. You just did it. You just said he hustles every day and you used race to bait Nester…. both comments were wrong, but Xtreem & I… we’re the bad guys.
I wish I could give myself a thumbs up here
I gotcha! Bayonne right away attacks Nester because he said Reyes is selfish and tries to use race as his motivation.I think Omar Fan rubbed off on him.Where is Omar fan anyway,It’s been nice around here without him.He needs to take 2 more with him.
Jessep doesn’t come on here and personally attack others for differing opinions,You do!
You do realize that the ones who play for less are few and far between right?
And thats only because they already GOT a big payday and are looking for a ring not money right?
Isn’t that just as selfish?
Leave a losing team who can;’t give you what you REALLY want because you already have money?
What type of person saves a Jose Reyes article from two years ago to bash him?= a Hater. Jessup sounds like he has an agenda. Maybe if Wright hustled a little more in workouts he wouldn’t have love handles, thus he might turn on a fastball a little better.
Willie Randolph pulled Reyes because he had issues with Jose. Randolph was fired accordingly the following season. The 2009 example was more Jose Reyes hate. This triple he should have had, was a double off the fence. It hit off the LF wall. Where was he going? Who hits a ball off the LF wall @ Citi and legs a triple? This is a DUMB FAN repeating media suggestions that Jose didn’t hustle. If Jose gets nailed at 3b, this quite stupid fan who saved this article barks that Reyes is “undisciplined” or plays unintelligent baseball. Maybe he didn’t hustle because there was no way he gets to 3rd? I remember that idiotic article. The ball was high off the wall but was a clean bounce. I also believe there were no outs. Maybe if Wright were a clutch hitter, there wouldn’t be a concern with Reyes “not hustling”.
Typical Bayonne always looking to instigate just because Nester has a different opinion.Hey Bayonne how come you didn’t attack Fatcesa yesterday when he told you you were wrong. Francesa asks bayonne whats the most important stat. Bayonne answers in Jerry Manuel fashion ahhhhhhhhhh RBI? He asks Fatcesa instead of telling Fatcesa that it’s RBI like he wrongly tries to tell everybody here.You made a fool of yourself on WFAN.RBI is the most important stat,lmao… You’re so 1970…. You always say you can’t learn the game by just reading a book.I wonder how you learned or should I say failed to learn.
I agree Nester but here is the rub…
That team friendly deal could STILL be more than Crawford got!
All team friendly deal means is we are paying less per year than he got offered whcih means the sky is the limit!
When that time comes I will see and pass judgement on the validity of what happens not before then like others who have already given up on the notion of resigning him before the number is even known!
They don’t CARE what the number is they just don’t want to spend!
Money is the just the excuse they use to warrant thier NO SPEND agenda!
Wow, you just have no idea how things like math, logic or the English language work.
“That team friendly deal could STILL be more than Crawford got!
All team friendly deal means is we are paying less per year than he got offered whcih means the sky is the limit!”
No. So very much no. A team friendly deal is one in which the player takes a deal that fits into the team’s budget constraints.
“When that time comes I will see and pass judgement on the validity of what happens not before then like others who have already given up on the notion of resigning him before the number is even known!”
Perfectly fair. Too bad that is directly contradicted by this
“They don’t CARE what the number is they just don’t want to spend!
Money is the just the excuse they use to warrant thier NO SPEND agenda!”
Yeah says the man who never uses math, has limited language skills and then disagrees with a guy who says something and then says the reason is the same as what he said!
Bye Bye youngun!
You really are so bad at this. You really need to stop trying.
Hey JoeD this is the crap we can do without!!
THERE now you can cry 50 times I reported you to JoeD!
Talk BASEBALL or SHUT THE HELL UP!
I want to spend but I don’t think the owner does.He doesn’t have the Madoff cash cow anymore.
Why must blame be assigned? Why did you need to over dramatize and add to the narrative?
“2. Sandy Alderson – For making little effort to negotiate an extension with Jose Reyes when he had the opportunity and the Reyes camp was ready to negotiate?”
When there was serious concern about Reyes’ health? When Alderson still had to evaluate what he actually has here? Alderson simply was in no position to negotiate a deal like that before the season.
” For making disparaging comments about Jose Reyes’ game, which was only intended to soften the blow of his inevitable departure?”
Ya, it was such and insult when Alderson called him an exciting player and hopes he would be part of the Mets’ success for the foreseeable future.
” For having a $110 million dollar budget, but being unwilling to expend any of it to keep Reyes?”
Well, it defeats the purpose of the budget if you are just going to ignore it.
And why is Alderson the bad guy for not expanding the budget but Reyes is just feeding his kids when he won’t work a deal within the budget?
There doesn’t need to be a villain here. Reyes and the Mets each have their goals. If they can’t line them up, then we thank Reyes for all the excitement he provided us, wish him well and send him on his way.
Mrs. Reyes. Husbands do what the wife wants.(money)
LoL, Thanks for bringing some humor into this. “-)
It might work out for us the other way also. We might be thanking her also. She might want to stay in New York.
Agreed
I’ll probably blame Donal.
I blame him too
In all seriousness I’d probably blame in some order but maybe not exact order:
Fred Wilpon, Bernie Madoff, Irving Picard, Willie Randolph, Omar Minaya, Carlos Beltran, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Jose Reyes’ Agent, Jerry Manuel, Carl Crawford, Jason Bay, Cowbell Man, Ruben Tejada, Sandy Alderson, The GM drove the price up, The GM that signs him then probably Donal, Xtreem, Myself and Bill James.
Can we throw Tom Hicks in there?
Love your list close to mine in fact
Just as long as you leave me out of it.lol
I believe that I will blame Darren Oliver. His departure marks the begining of the end of the Mets success. This lack of a long man was a prime reason for the overuse of the bullpen and the first collapse. The second collapse was of course do to everyone sucking at one time which could have been a mental block from the season prior and this eventually led to twelve people in the stands and limited payroll. So Oliver yep he’s my guy lol.
I very much agree. The bullpen was the saving grace that year. When they redid the bullpen that winter I thought is was wrong. Oliver, Bradford, Hernandez, Sanchez, Heilman, Feliciano and Wagner did exceptional work that year.
Unless offered some crazy 7 or 8 year guaranteed contract by another team, if Reyes leaves, I would blame the Wilpons and even Omar Minaya more so than Sandy. The Wilpons knew the Mets were headed and cratering towards financial disaster with all the debts mounting on the franchise, all the money borrowed from banks, the money used from various Madoff accounts to help fund Met operations and all the expensive players on the Mets which weren’t funded strictly from baseball operations. So what was the purpose of an Oliver Perez after the 2008 season for 36MM and a Jason Bay after the 2009 season for 66MM plus a whopping vestible option for 17MM, knowing full well that Reyes would be a FA after the 2011 season. The bottom line to me- Because of 2 more yrs of both Bay and Santana with their hefty contracts, the Wilpons are gonna let 5 or 6 more years of Reyes go or walk.
They were in for so much money at point that they felt they had to keep throwing money at the roster to get any return on their prior investment.
The best time to have approached Reyes was pre season 2010 when he had the thyroid. Even if they were uncertain about that issue they could have written it out of the deal but I don’t think anyone thought that was a long term problem. As for his hamstring that was proven to be healthy. The only problem there was they were looking first and foremeost for the impact move in 2010 in order to “double down” on all the bets they had lost before. No money was going to be allocated that didn’t improve 2010′s chances, then if that worked their would have been money for Reyes perhaps mid season or off season before 2011. Unfortunately it didn’t and Minaya probably wasn’t in a position to approach Reyes mid season and the Wilpon’s didn’t make any kind of a move either.
Minaya did negotiate a very team friendly deal with Reyes back in 2006 and that certainly helped us buy more help in 2007, 2008 and 2009 but looking back on the deal it would have been great to have any extra year of free agency bought out as well as another club option year but that’s all hindsight now.
Really bad timing with needing to add an “impact bat” before 2010, Minaya a lame duck by August, Madoff, the lawsuit, real estate being difficult to refinance, the new stadium, the network, Crawford’s deal. Just too many things all at once.
The only lesson that can be learned by this is you want a contract to end at 31 or 32, not 28.
Thats exactly right sachs.
Simple-if he moves on you blame the new team. They gave him the money. I don’t want to see him get so much money for six years because that will hurt the budget for other players. So I would say to Jose and his agent “what can you do with 120 million that you can’t do with say 90 million?
That’s not fair to Reyes though. I mean who knows what he might want to do with that 30 M. 20 M after taxes say might build a school or start a big business or build a house for everyone in his family or make a huge donation (and get the tax deduction) to a selected charity.
What’s worth it to Jose is his decision. Either way he’s going to be real good but it’s other things that are possible that might make the difference.
That’s his right, a right he’s earned.
30 million dollars is 30 million dollars.That’s alot of wood.I wouldn’t blame Reyes for bolting for 30 million more.
Who Will You Blame If The Mets Fail To Sign Reyes?”
SANDY ALDERSON. he’s the GM and he could’ve had reyes for cheap last offseason, but he wanted to “evaluate” things and see how healthy he was.. well, even though he wasn’t 100% all year he STILL proved he’s worth every penny any team gives him. hopefully is us, but if we don’t sign him, the blame imo will go to the small market saber we got as a GM.
but no worries, we get 2 draft picks if he signs with other team. (roll eyes)
Now that is classic second guessing. I know I know, you can do it, but call others out for it.
The guy was on and off the DL for the three years prior to SA getting here, and you expected SA to walk in and give him an extension?
Keep rolling your eyes.
Since when is over $100M a small market?
Edgar ignore that’s just Alex being Alex.He doesn’t know any better.He’s looking for confrontation so he keeps throwing jabs at Wright and Alderson and is looking for someone to bite but he never says anything about his homeboy Reyes being a choker his whole Met career and unable to stay on the field.He only saw Wright choke not his boy Reyes Mr 205 BA in September.
Could have had him for cheap? How do you figure? You mean right after Boston signed Carl Crawford? That was December 8th that Crawford signed. Alderson was hired November 1st.
Or do you mean right after Washington signed Werth on Dec. 5th?
Right I’m sure Alderson could have signed Reyes “for cheap” right after those deals were done.
so extending reyes last year coming off an injured year is the same as this year?? you think reyes or his agent were gonna ask for 100 million dollars? even you’re not that dumb.
I’m sorry, I politely disagree with that. IMO, neither Minaya in 2010 or Sandy before this season or last offseason could have signed Reyes to a contract extension with his agents who didn’t even want to talk a contract extension with either Omar or Sandy unless absolutely overwhelmed. Remember this, even though criticicized for his last contract, main agent Peter Greenberg purposely negotiated a shorter, less lucrative contract for Reyes the last time around ( compared to Wright), so that Jose and he could cash in on the once in a lifetime, typically prime 28-32 yrs. of age of Reyes in free agency. And after negotiating and signing a said team friendly and modest contract the last time around, Greenberg and Reyes weren’t going to give up his chance at the gold and now (which is an issue) moving to a better team.
I don’t disagree with that one bit Sach. I think that’s a very likely scenario but it wouldn’t have precluded going longer bigger dollars either (for all we know) I do think they were happy leaving it age 28 though.
I also don’t remember reading that Reyes or Greenberg didn’t want to discuss 2012 back in 2010. Maybe but I just don’t recall that.
I don’t recall the Wilpon’s or Minaya having anything to say about it either.
Overall if we do lose Reyes it’ll make me sick after having spent so much money on other teams former All Stars to see one of our own leaving cause there’s just no money left.
It looked like a team friendly deal at the time but with all the games that fragile Jose missed turned out to be a fair contract.
everyone knows that the mets cannot sanely give him the best offer. So I will blame Reyes. If he wanted to be here he would take less.
the buck starts and ends with freddye wilpon. the wilponzie mob only finds monies to spend when there is a ponzie scheme to be milked.geniusalderson is just a freddye front man as were all the other gm’s freddye bought and sold.
baby al’s humor returns. It ain’t so, baby al. It’s likely Freddie has saved a lot of bucks that the scoundrel Irv Picard was trying to pilfer, but Freddie has his own fiduciary responsibility to the Mets. All EEO’s and corporations do.
des it is good to hear from u but sad to see u have joined the wrong side again.freddye wilponzie would have Never had to deal with picard If he had kept OUT of ponzie schemes.sadly des, since i have not mentored u in a while, u have creeped to the other(wilponzie)side once again.not to worry, till geniusalderson finally admits reyes is a gonner i will be around helping u through your relapse! for your information, freddye wilponzie was seen at the wall street protests wearing a brooklyn dodger hat and looking for some free blankets.i could swear ruth madoff was holding his hand!
Thanks baby al. I’ve learned to never refuse help. I think you’re usually helpful. But I think you overlooked my point. Freddie has a legal obligation to protect the shareholders’ interests. This is required even if fans don’t like any of the Wilpon family or how Freddie is spending (or not spending) money on the team. Also, this guy Picard is likely an example of a cure that is worse than the disease.
Great to hear from you, baby man. Your arsenal the next few days may include snowballs. Let’s keep talking.
P.S.: I haven’t creeped to the evil side.
des,if i threw a snowball it would be aimed directly between freddye wilponzie’s eyes.a brooklyn snowball,ya know, the one with a rock in the middle. then i would wash his face in snow… brooklyn style!if i only grew up with that chisler…i would have made the old mans brooklyn memories very, how u say, unhappy.
very funny!
Blame?
Love Reyes, want to see him resigned. But ultimately how can you assign any blame if he doesn’t take the Mets offer? It’s solely his decision.
so srt, if small market sandy comes up and offers 5/50 you think he’ll accept that?? come on be serious too, i am telling you guys, this man will bolt in 2 more years after fixing the wilpons financials issues..
How is a team that spends over $100M a small market team?
Lowest spending team spent 36 Mil
Highest spending team spent 201 Mil
Average of all in MLB is 92,991,735 Mil
7 Mil over the middle!
in the largest market in the country!
they were in the top 10.
and why is the size of the market so important? look at attendence instead maybe. That is what drives revenue (well, TV too).
Why is the size of the Market important?
Because it speaks to your ability to pay the bills?
We spent 140 Mil last year and lost 70 right?
That means unless our salary is cut to 70 Mil we are STILL going to lose money aren’t we?
If we do that are MORE people going to come, buy season tickets, make plans to attend more games?
After letting your biggest draw go?
No you lose more money!
Ok cut some more using the same excuses used this year…
Payroll 40 Mil, Still lose 10 Mil Ok cut it again!
Payroll 35 Mil, Lose 5 Mil
Hello lets move to Pittsburg can’t draw, can’t afford to spend to draw more Vicious cycle started in a market that supports a 200Mil team on a yearly basis!
Team gets sold, moved and now your jersey reads the Montreal Mets!
Would that make you happy?
Overspending has NOT worked or haven’t you been paying attention. Wise spending works, or haven’t you been paying attention.
No ever hear of the Yankees?
Or haven’t you been paying attention?
16 playoffs in 17 years!
Name a team who has come close without spending a lot?
It works JUST FINE!
Yankees are PROOF!
Followed by the Red Sox!
No team! That’s because no team can spend in the same stratosphere as the Yankees.If you think that any other team in baseball can play in the same financial world as the Yanks then you are quite lost.
Yeah why can’t any team spend like the Yankees Joe?
Give a reason why they can and no one else can!
If you can’t come up with something good your point is not a point at all!
Do the yankees have first dibs on the gold at Fort Knox?
Do the Yankees have a special clause in the MLB constitution that says no team can spend more than them?
Do they have a print pres for money that no other team has?
Please enlighten us as to WHY no team can outspend the yankees and what they have that stops other teams from doing so!
And please don’t say because they are the best team in baseball because thats MY point not yours!
The NY Mets have been in the top echelon of free spending for many years now and that has failed………lets give smart spending a try and see what happens…..
…and hope for our healthiest season since 2008 because the last 3 years injuries have derailed this team before it even had a chance to be evaluated properly.
Look, I’m all for smart spending, but the Mets did NOT do that last offseason – Most of the Mets signings last year were either ineffective or were injured – Like Young, Harris, Paulino, Hu, Emaus, Bucholz, Carrasco, Bonser, Boyer, Hairston(hit .235, and spent over a month on the DL).
And all the others were mediocre – Like Capuano(4.55 ERA, 1.35WHIP), Beato(4.30 ERA, 1.28 WHIP), Izzy(4.05 ERA, 1.29 WHIP), Byrdak(3.82ERA, 1.41 WHIP).
That’s not what I’d call “smart spending”.
One of the first things SA said in his first press conference was there would not be any big FA signings and that many aspects of the organization needs to be revamped for the future success of the team.
That was/is not going to happen in one/first off season, not sure why that is such a surprise and has to be rehashed over and over and over again.
Huh? Where did I say anything about big FA’s?
Every offseason there’s guys who sign CHEAPLY that play really good…..and there was plenty of them last offseason – the other day I counted 20 or so players that signed for under 2M last offseason that played really good baseball…..and there was even more that signed for a little bit more than that, that also played great baseball.
Edgar please tell us how NO FAs translates to WISE SPENDING on FAs?
how does NOT SPENDING=WISE SPENDING?
here’s some of them:
Jesus Guzman .312 BA
Jose Conztanza .303 BA
Endy Chavez .301 BA
Al Alburquerque 1.77 ERA 1.15 WHIP
Randy Choate 1.82 ERA 1.01 WHIP
Ryan Vogelsong 2.71 ERA 1.25 WHIP
Jose Veras 3.80 ERA 1.24 WHIP, and had 79K’s in 71 IP.
Dustin Mosley 3.30 ERA 1.28 WHIP
Cory Wade 2.04 ERA 1.03 WHIP
Reed JOhnson .309 BA
Erik Bedard 3.62 ERA 1.28 WHIP
so, they could have signed some good players without spending anything! I don’t know how anyone can defend the Mets last offseason after reading those guys numbers, and the fact that most of the Mets signings were either ineffective or were injured, and the few others were mediocre. – The Mets didn’t have a good offseaon no matter how you look at it.
Now, I’m not saying the Mets should have signed them all, but if your going to say the Mets did a good job last offseason because they had so little to spend, well your wrong – they did a bad job.
I wonder what the tone would be if Omar signed any of those guys?
Bet it would be just 50 yards shy of HELL in it’s description if Minaya had made those deals!
small market sandy? Uh, okay……
I don’t know what Reyes is willing to accept – do you, Alex? Don’t think anyone knows. I’m willing to bet though Reyes – just like any other big name FA – will be going after the money. It’s only going to take one GM to go over market value for us Met fans to be looking at Tejada playing SS come next season.
Sandy Alderson is now being accused of “… having a $110 million dollar budget, but being unwilling to expend any of it to keep Reyes?”
I don’t think so Joe D. It’s just how much spending on Jose it takes — all, some, but unlikely it isn’t none.
geniusalderson’s budget is WHATEVER freddye wilponzie feels like that particular morning.geniusalderson then reports such to the media outlets as per freddye’s instruction.des, i am surprised how naive u are about the ways of the wilpon’s.u have been drinking the wilponzie hemlock …have u? i see freddye wilponzie has made some inroads with the uninitiated.bottom line is the mets payroll is as flexable as dusy ole freddye’s honor.
It sucks to know that your team’s future is being decided by a judge and teams of laywers.