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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What did they win before getting Cliff Lee?&quot;

      Umm, The World Series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What did they win before getting Cliff Lee?&#8221;</p>
<p>      Umm, The World Series.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean like having 12 losing seasons in 21 years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean like having 12 losing seasons in 21 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Team that took them 7 years of losing miserably to build!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Team that took them 7 years of losing miserably to build!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What did they win before Cliff Lee got there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did they win before Cliff Lee got there?</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude.  They did it after they had a team, not in order to get a team.

      Please don&#039;t pretend that your dumber than a rock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude.  They did it after they had a team, not in order to get a team.</p>
<p>      Please don&#8217;t pretend that your dumber than a rock.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189371</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude they just did EVERYTHING you complained about Omar doing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude they just did EVERYTHING you complained about Omar doing!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189369</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MNJ could you now correct his Math as well?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MNJ could you now correct his Math as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189368</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ummm 2011 - 2002 is 11 Years?

That must be Sabermetric years or something!

And that was preceeded by 7 losing seasons!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm 2011 &#8211; 2002 is 11 Years?</p>
<p>That must be Sabermetric years or something!</p>
<p>And that was preceeded by 7 losing seasons!</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189366</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks MNJ for the correction.  I think I was confusing the year they missed the playoffs by 1 game, no excuses but appreciate the correction.

     Eleven straight seasons, one losing one, five straight Division titles, two World Series, one World Championship and people are disparaging them.

     LOL.

     You can&#039;t make this **** up.

     And all with players either half of teams or every team could have acquired.

     Jeez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MNJ for the correction.  I think I was confusing the year they missed the playoffs by 1 game, no excuses but appreciate the correction.</p>
<p>     Eleven straight seasons, one losing one, five straight Division titles, two World Series, one World Championship and people are disparaging them.</p>
<p>     LOL.</p>
<p>     You can&#8217;t make this **** up.</p>
<p>     And all with players either half of teams or every team could have acquired.</p>
<p>     Jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Show me where I claimed they made mistakes.

     I just stated what they did.  I think they did the right thing.  Try to keep it going.  After all they did have a solid team.

     Everyone with a functioning brain cell knows baseball is anything but a sure thing.  They&#039;ve won 5 consecutive NL East titles.  We&#039;ve won 7 in 50 years]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show me where I claimed they made mistakes.</p>
<p>     I just stated what they did.  I think they did the right thing.  Try to keep it going.  After all they did have a solid team.</p>
<p>     Everyone with a functioning brain cell knows baseball is anything but a sure thing.  They&#8217;ve won 5 consecutive NL East titles.  We&#8217;ve won 7 in 50 years</p>
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		<title>By: Mr North Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr North Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 04:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T agee for purposes of accuracy it was 2002 not 2005.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=zK6qR]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T agee for purposes of accuracy it was 2002 not 2005.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=zK6qR" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=zK6qR</a></p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189359</link>
		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Phillies did go 11 straight season with just one losing season (80-81 2005) and the guys they drafted were avaiable to at least half the teams in MLB, or everyone.  Multiple times.

     Disparage their success all you want, it&#039;s not going to put a trophy in our museum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phillies did go 11 straight season with just one losing season (80-81 2005) and the guys they drafted were avaiable to at least half the teams in MLB, or everyone.  Multiple times.</p>
<p>     Disparage their success all you want, it&#8217;s not going to put a trophy in our museum.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189357</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude you act like no one has read anything you have posted before today!

You were applauding the Phillies before the season started and most of the time during.

Today was the first time this season you even hinted they were making mistakes by trading for all those guys you HAD BEEN claiming was the way to get those guys because they were smart!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude you act like no one has read anything you have posted before today!</p>
<p>You were applauding the Phillies before the season started and most of the time during.</p>
<p>Today was the first time this season you even hinted they were making mistakes by trading for all those guys you HAD BEEN claiming was the way to get those guys because they were smart!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/10/phoreshadowing-the-phillies-phuture.html#comment-189355</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Slough it off all you want, we&#039;ve never gone 11 straight years with just one sub .500 season.&quot;
And niether have the Phillies!

And you know why we have never built up?

Look at how long any GM has lasted here!

Because we are not a ONE TEAM town like Philadelphia and Atlanta!

They can lose for more than a decade and still draw fans because there is no place else to go to see baseball where they play!

Here they go see the Yankees!

It took the Phillies 12 years to build what they did!
Took Atlanta even longer than that!

We were on the verge of doing that but then the guys who seem to have a problem with Omar buying players (mind you buying not trading and mortgaging youth for them) and you were all happy with that until a few guys got hurt and wanted heads to rioll REGARDLESS of how well they were actually doing by BUYING to be competitive while building the Minors so at some point they wouldn&#039;t have to buy as much!

All the kids that just came up and the few still on the verge are all timing out at just about the time all those Signings you hate expired INCLUDING Wright and Reyes&#039; contracts!

So far Sandy has done NOTHING to help us within the next 5 years unless you count Wheeler!
His top overall pick is 18 years old, never played organized baseball and will not be ready for at least 3-4 years!

And by then we will have lost a few more seasons (especially if we play it your way and forsake the MLB squad for the Minors) and then you know who will be the one who sucked and didn&#039;t do it the right way?

It will be Sandy!

It may not be fair but patience only goes so far!
Omar took a truly DECIMATED MiL system and made it MUCH better!
And while doing so also managed to make Three runs at the playoffs!

And as unfair as it would be to expect Sandy to repeat that feat, You argument about how WRONG Omar was will fall flat!
Beacause he didn&#039;t have SUB .500 seasons until players got hurt!

Not because he didn&#039;t build his team correctly because how the hell much can you build with only 3 years under your belt?

Phillies sure couldn&#039;t do it and neither did the Braves!
But you seem to only count their SUCCESS not the 15-20 years of suck they had to GET all those players you think they were smart to take!

While WE were the team competing they were drafting and doing well because they picked on the opposite end of the round than we did!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Slough it off all you want, we&#8217;ve never gone 11 straight years with just one sub .500 season.&#8221;<br />
And niether have the Phillies!</p>
<p>And you know why we have never built up?</p>
<p>Look at how long any GM has lasted here!</p>
<p>Because we are not a ONE TEAM town like Philadelphia and Atlanta!</p>
<p>They can lose for more than a decade and still draw fans because there is no place else to go to see baseball where they play!</p>
<p>Here they go see the Yankees!</p>
<p>It took the Phillies 12 years to build what they did!<br />
Took Atlanta even longer than that!</p>
<p>We were on the verge of doing that but then the guys who seem to have a problem with Omar buying players (mind you buying not trading and mortgaging youth for them) and you were all happy with that until a few guys got hurt and wanted heads to rioll REGARDLESS of how well they were actually doing by BUYING to be competitive while building the Minors so at some point they wouldn&#8217;t have to buy as much!</p>
<p>All the kids that just came up and the few still on the verge are all timing out at just about the time all those Signings you hate expired INCLUDING Wright and Reyes&#8217; contracts!</p>
<p>So far Sandy has done NOTHING to help us within the next 5 years unless you count Wheeler!<br />
His top overall pick is 18 years old, never played organized baseball and will not be ready for at least 3-4 years!</p>
<p>And by then we will have lost a few more seasons (especially if we play it your way and forsake the MLB squad for the Minors) and then you know who will be the one who sucked and didn&#8217;t do it the right way?</p>
<p>It will be Sandy!</p>
<p>It may not be fair but patience only goes so far!<br />
Omar took a truly DECIMATED MiL system and made it MUCH better!<br />
And while doing so also managed to make Three runs at the playoffs!</p>
<p>And as unfair as it would be to expect Sandy to repeat that feat, You argument about how WRONG Omar was will fall flat!<br />
Beacause he didn&#8217;t have SUB .500 seasons until players got hurt!</p>
<p>Not because he didn&#8217;t build his team correctly because how the hell much can you build with only 3 years under your belt?</p>
<p>Phillies sure couldn&#8217;t do it and neither did the Braves!<br />
But you seem to only count their SUCCESS not the 15-20 years of suck they had to GET all those players you think they were smart to take!</p>
<p>While WE were the team competing they were drafting and doing well because they picked on the opposite end of the round than we did!</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No where in anything i said could it even be remotely said that I was applauding them.  All I did was report on what they did.  I did state that they got good value out of it, which we didn&#039;t, but other than that it was just a dispasionate accounting of what they did.

     It does make sense to do things the way they did though.  Six everyday regulars in their prime plus an ace to go and add pieces.

     We did that with two guys and no ace and where did it get us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No where in anything i said could it even be remotely said that I was applauding them.  All I did was report on what they did.  I did state that they got good value out of it, which we didn&#8217;t, but other than that it was just a dispasionate accounting of what they did.</p>
<p>     It does make sense to do things the way they did though.  Six everyday regulars in their prime plus an ace to go and add pieces.</p>
<p>     We did that with two guys and no ace and where did it get us?</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mcilvaine ran the team for 3 and a half years.  Not &#039;86-2000 and the conversation is about how the Phillies built up, and then built out.  Something we haven&#039;t ever done.

     Eleven straight years with only one sub .500 season and even that was just one game under (80-81)

     Slough it off all you want, we&#039;ve never gone 11 straight years with just one sub .500 season.

     You cannot make our current situation any more palatable by disparaging other teams accomplishments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mcilvaine ran the team for 3 and a half years.  Not &#8217;86-2000 and the conversation is about how the Phillies built up, and then built out.  Something we haven&#8217;t ever done.</p>
<p>     Eleven straight years with only one sub .500 season and even that was just one game under (80-81)</p>
<p>     Slough it off all you want, we&#8217;ve never gone 11 straight years with just one sub .500 season.</p>
<p>     You cannot make our current situation any more palatable by disparaging other teams accomplishments.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just did.  Today.  In this very thread, check it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just did.  Today.  In this very thread, check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know 27th Overall can hardly be considered a TOP draft pick!

Phillies gave away far more in their quest to get pitching!
Even gave away two picks for some guy who isn&#039;t even with them anymore he was that bad!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know 27th Overall can hardly be considered a TOP draft pick!</p>
<p>Phillies gave away far more in their quest to get pitching!<br />
Even gave away two picks for some guy who isn&#8217;t even with them anymore he was that bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure there is no reason to not DO BOTH!

Which is precisely what Omar was doing!
He didn&#039;t mortgage his Minors to WIN NOW!
He didn&#039;t ship off all his GENIUS picks like the Phillies to get the pitching they FAILED to develop!

He went and bought talent to hold him while he also was drafting the Davis&#039; and Murphy&#039;s, Turner&#039;s and Tejadas, Harvey&#039;s and Familias!

And made a competitive team in his SECOND year that was competitive for two more years WHILE he was WINNING and picking low in the draft he still managed to draft all the guys who showed great promise this year and not have to trade them away like the Phillies did!

Omar WAS doing BOTH!
But you seem to harp on that SINGLE 27th overall pick and the sandwich one for Wagner when he did what you applaud the Phillies for doing when THEY needed pitching to try and win a series!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there is no reason to not DO BOTH!</p>
<p>Which is precisely what Omar was doing!<br />
He didn&#8217;t mortgage his Minors to WIN NOW!<br />
He didn&#8217;t ship off all his GENIUS picks like the Phillies to get the pitching they FAILED to develop!</p>
<p>He went and bought talent to hold him while he also was drafting the Davis&#8217; and Murphy&#8217;s, Turner&#8217;s and Tejadas, Harvey&#8217;s and Familias!</p>
<p>And made a competitive team in his SECOND year that was competitive for two more years WHILE he was WINNING and picking low in the draft he still managed to draft all the guys who showed great promise this year and not have to trade them away like the Phillies did!</p>
<p>Omar WAS doing BOTH!<br />
But you seem to harp on that SINGLE 27th overall pick and the sandwich one for Wagner when he did what you applaud the Phillies for doing when THEY needed pitching to try and win a series!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it should be noted the Phillies went a lot longer than 12 years it was more like 15 since their last win before 2008 was in 1993!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it should be noted the Phillies went a lot longer than 12 years it was more like 15 since their last win before 2008 was in 1993!</p>
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