27
2011
MetsBlog: Wright To The Phillies?
An article by Craig Lerner
Caught this on MetsBlog a few nanoseconds ago along with something about blue walls:
In an interview with host Mike Missanelli on 97.5 FM in Philadelphia, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark said:
“The Phillies like David Wright. They have talked about David Wright. Are they really going to be able to make a deal for David Wright? Are the Mets really going to deal him to the Phillies? I mean, those are big questions. But, I’ve heard David Wright’s name for some time. Whether it happens is another story. But, the Phillies like him. … It would have to be a gigantic deal. And, where are the pieces left in the Phillies system to make that deal? … It’s unlikely, but don’t ignore it, because the Phillies have talked about it.
Cerrone says the return would be something along the lines of Vance Worley and Domonic Brown.
Obviously, there’s nothing to this and it’s all hot air based on a rumor about a rumor about a rumor. If there was any real news out there, this probably would have been discarded by the crack editorial team at MB.
Even if there was the slightest bit of truth to any of this, which there’s not, if I were to consider trading David Wright to the Phillies, I wouldn’t even listen unless Cole Hamels was on the table.
That said, I wonder if they like Evan Longoria too? I would say yes. What about Ryan Zimmerman? I would say yes too. What about anyone not named Placido Polanco? Yes.
About the Author: Craig Lerner
I'm a data analyst and researcher for a leading news agency who loves life and is hooked on the Mets. I love following the Amateur Draft and have a particular fondness for the Mets Minor Leagues who I follow each day. Give me a cold beer, a summer day, and a Mets game, and I'm good to go.
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Cerrone says the return would be something along the lines of Vance Worley and Domonic Brown.”
Done, cerrone said it, we should go ahead and do it.
Why would the Phillies trade Cole Hamels for David Wright? Hamels is a legit ace, while Wright hasn’t been “himself” since 2008.
Vance Worley and Domonic Brown?
DONE.
And please don’t include Wright in the same breath as Evan Langoria or Ryan Zimmerman.
Oh Craig? Did you see what Tony LaRussa and Ron Washington had to say? You know..the 2 World Series managers?
Ya, wasn’t it sad? LaRussa still claims valuing OBP is about guys up there looking for walks.
actually, he 100% made the point about being selective and having plate discipline. His comment about OBP was along the lines of “it is dangerous to think walk over anything else”. And that is not at all what anyone here was saying it should be (or Bill James for that matter).
tony gave the example of getting in a hole (0-1, 0-2) and having the pitcher in control. And that getting ahead in the count works to the hitters favor.
Well, that goes back to not swinging at crap. And of course, if you get a 1st pitch meatball, go ahead and rip it. Every player does that, except for an extreme outlier like Castillo that wouldn’t swing at anything.
And washington didn’t say anything about OBP.
Still seems odd to me that people insist on taking a macro (big picture) concept and thinking it is invalid because it doesn’t apply to every micro (AB) situation.
Luis Castillo comes to mind…
which is why I said “except for an extreme outlier like Castillo that wouldn’t swing at anything.”
You really should not use him as your poster boy. He is about the only guy recently that fit the profile of trying to walk at all costs, no matter the situation. hence, he is an outlier.
I don’t notice any of the “saber” teams loading up on guys like this.
The 5 or 6 of you are beginning to sound like a bunch of bag ladies everyday with your constant bickering. Ironically you all always pompously state you’re the only only one talking baseball, but none of you ever do. I actually think you enjoy mocking each other more than talking baseball.
Is that talking baseball?
True you shouldn’t include Wright’s name in the same breath – Wright’s career numbers are better than both Longoria and Zimmerman.
Oh wait – he left Murphy on 3rd so………………forget it………
Funny how everyone blew a gasket when it was mentioned that Reyes was not on pace for HOF – yet the same CORE, kills Wright every chance they can, and their argument is, he left Murphy on 3rd base………..
too bad Wright couldn’t shine Longoria’s shoes when it comes to big hits in big spots. Clutch, and clutch under pressure.
Like I’ve said a million times I would prefer a guy with less starts but who can provide more timely hits than a guy with big numbers but a lot of hollow ABs and choking under pressure.
Give me Longoria over Wright NOW. And I would take Zimmerman over Wright hands down.
be careful of how much gross production you give up, even if in “low pressure situations” (which includes early in a game), because without the run producers to do the heavy lifting, you won’t be having any late game clutch situations for your low stats but hit in a big spot guys to shine in.
tha, and you should expect to play a lot more close games (that used to be more comfortable wins)
Bayonne, could you let me know whenever you get a chance the answer to the following questions
A) Do you agree in LaRussa’s bat the pitcher 8th theory and usage
B) Which hits did Evan Longoria have during the 2011 season that would justify “too bad Wright couldn’t shine Longoria’s shoes when it comes to big hits in big spots. Clutch, and clutch under pressure.”
Just because of his 7th inning HR in Game 1 of a losing LDS? And because his HR in the 8th and extras against the Yankees? That’s it? So all Wright needs to do to shine Longoria’s shoes is have 3 clutch hits?
I’m not questioning Longoria’s ability, I’m questioning the manner in which you think he’s so much better because he’s clutch, yet your sample size is ridiculously small
Are you kidding me about longoria???
weren’t you watching game 162 of the season?!?! hit a walk off hr to give tampa bay the wild card pennant.. also, took tampa bay in his shoulder in sePt to make a run for the wild card, everynight he was on sportscenter with a clutch hit!!! are you kidding me!?!?
i get it, you probably were busy crying over the braves choking after kimbrell BLEW THE SAVE..
I was. So exacty my point. So your point that Longoria is so much far superior than Wright is based on what you SAW. Did you watch Tampa’s games 1-161? I doubt it. So how can you honestly give me an assesmet that Wright can’t shine Longoria’s shoes because Longo is so much more clutch?
Because he hit a HR off Luis Ayala and Scott Proctor?
So Longoria’s LDS being terrible doesn’t matter right? He’s clutch now because you saw him hit 2 big HR’s and that’s it.
that’s 2 more hr’s than wright…………………….
you’ve never seen Wright hit 2 HR?
not in the clutch.. no..
just in august and sept, longoria had 17 hr’s and 50 rbi’s… THAT is a clutch performer when his team needed him the most.. just with 2 out in 50 at bats the man had 8 hr’s and 30 rbi’s.. CLUTCH!!!!!
So the difference between a guy who is far more clutch than Wright is roughly 5 HR and about 9 RBI since Wright hit 12HR and 41 RBI in Aug+Sept 2007.
Can you tell me what innings all of Longoria’s “clutch scoring position 2 out” at bats came in? What was the situation, what the game tied, were they winning, was the game out of reach?
Do you see what I’m saying here. I’m not fighting with you. I’m telling you the following
Evan Longoria has had roughly 2,465 plate appearances in his career in regular season + postseason. If I had to guess you’ve likely seen less than 200 of those. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’ve seen every Longoria plate appearance in the playoffs and some highlight reels mixed in with an occasional Rays game.
Wright has had roughly 4,738. And I’d venture to guess you’ve seen over 90% of them.
So OF COURSE you think Longoria is just so much more clutch, because you SEE Wright fail. You don’t see Longoria fail because its rarely on sportcenter.
I’m not saying he isn’t clutch. I’m saying neither you nor I have any idea if he really is because we don’t have the luxury of watching him play. You see Wright play and you remember the bad.
go back to any of my post and see in which one i talk bad about 2007 wright.. all i say is how in 2007 had the mets made the playoffs he was going to be the MVP.. is funny how most of you keep telling people to leave the past in the past and yet keep bringing wright’s clutch days of 2007.. i am not saying he wasn’t clutch, just that he became unclutch after being a solid hitter to all places, he used to drive the ball to rightcenter field, now those days are long gone and all he does is K’s most of the time
he also had 13/41 with a .324 average in 2008.
basically, for 2 straight years, Wright carried the team down the stretch while other guys disappeared (onthe offense, besides all the pitchers).
He was actually better in the pressure cooker of Sept. 2008. 6/21/.340.
If September 2008 was not a clutch/pressure stretch, there isn’t any such thing!
so yes, Murphy is still on 3B, but if it hadn’t been for Wright it would have been a meaningless game anyway.
he carried what team in 2008?~?!?! are you seriously posting this right now?? weren’t you watching thr games?!? this is where numbers lie big time, he could’ve hit 700 for all i care, the man was as unclutch as ever
that’s just flat out wrong so there’s really not much to add to that.
This person is saying that just based on stat sheet, it so silly and WRONG there is no response.
Obviously anyone watching back then KNEW it was Delgado & Beltran driving in the bulk of the big runs back then.
Well since you base everything on face, show each box score that proves Delgado and Beltran’s runs were big ones and Wrights were not.
In the month of September their numbers mirrored each other, but according to what you saw, the first two had big hits….prove it, and don’t tell me you remember what you saw….
You may be right, but I don’t go on what you saw or what anyone was watching a few years ago. Show me….otherwise….
Base everything on fact……..(and others are dishonest – your words….)
actually what you’re asking for was done here awhile ago
Well then it will be easy for you to copy and paste…..thanks..
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/09/are-clutch-performances-and-players-a-myth.html
Thanks for posting a link to a thread that is saying the same thing that this one is. Still proved nothing.
Stating when Delgado and Beltran got RBI’s in winning games doesn’t really prove anything.
The fact remains Wright has more game winning hits then any NY Met in the history of the franchise…….but I guess everyone of those games didn’t matter.
just goes to show you how useless and misleading a stat can be. Does it say anything more about his “game-winning” hits?
Is the go ahead run of a 10-1 blowout considered a game winning hit? I know it used to.
If you’re gonna sit there and put the New York Mets biggest choke artist in their history on the same stage as other famous and even less talented Mets who have been able to deliver big hits time and time again then you’re living in a fantasy world not based on real life.
I think the name Piazza, or Alfonso, or Ventura, or Carter, or Hernandez, or Strawberry..even Hojo was a very good big spot hitter….i think you better re-evaluate your stance and use real life as a barometer instead of a random stat sheet.
The only reason it’s a useless stat, according to you, is because it includes the name of David Wright next to it……….
If you are going to continue to say David Wright is the biggest choke artist in their history – then this conversation is over, all that is telling me is you have an irrational hate for a guy named David Wright. Blaming him for 07 and 08 means you were NOT watching the games in 07 and 08 and that it doesn’t matter if people prove you wrong with FACTS every day of the week, you’re going to believe your fairy tale.
I think the name Piazza, or Alfonso, or Ventura, or Carter, or Hernandez, or Strawberry..even Hojo was a very good big spot hitter….i think you better re-evaluate your stance and use real life as a barometer instead of a random stat sheet.
First off – YOU brought up those names, I didn’t, Piazza to date is the greatest big spot hitter NO DOUBT, I wasn’t comparing him, YOU said that Delgado and Beltran’s hits in September 08 were big hits in 08 and Wrights were not – with NO proof, just what you saw through your hatred glasses.
Cole Hamels?!?! Hahahahahaha. For David Wright, that’s hysterical. At this point, David Wright could not carry Hamels’ jock.
That’s such a great expression………………
Keeping it classy as always
joestalker, is there anything you do besides criticize everything everyone else says??? can you for once make a comment about an article written and not about what someone else wrote on the comment section?? what are you MMO version of TMZ??
When did YOU take ownership of this site? When you take sole ownership, the four of you can talk all day to each other about how smart you are, while the rest of us go talk baseball.
Do you have to go misquote Alderson to fit your agenda?
when have YOU talked baseball in this site?? all you do is wait for me or someone to make a comment for you to go and criticize them? you never start up an article by saying i agree with you, or nice article, no, as soon as you see bayonne, maniac, metsie and others, you go ahead and make comments on their replies.. can’t you be creative and make YOUR OWN COMMENTS!!??
well, pretty much everyone likes Wright, except for some Met fans.
everyone likes wright except for mets fans????? maybe if he wouldn’t have put mets fans on such agony with his unclutchness we wouldn’t have been talking about trading him.. someone else can go and like him all they want, we KNOW how unclutch he’s been..
Met fans know him better than other teams’ fans.
Wright and Wheeler for Hamels. Done.
He is a 1 year rental you know (Hamels). And the yankees will be offering him a boatload (unless the phils go nuts and overpay to lock him up).
he also just had 2 surgeries (elbow and hernia) so who knows what that does to him next year.
Do a trade and sign like we did with Johan. As far as I’m concerned Wright is also a one year rental. If he shows any improvement in the redesigned Citi, he’ll be gone by trade deadline. Not sure Wright will get locked up longterm by Alderson at age 31.
My WAG is that hamels signing a long term deal with the Mets to pass up FA is at least 10x less likely than Wright getting traded to them in the first place!
i’ll go and pick up wheeler myself and drive him to philladelphia
Seeing Wright or Reyes playing for the Phillies would just suck. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Wright but I would hope it would not be to a division rival.
‘Stark says the Phillies like Wright’
I’m sure they’d like to upgrade their SS position from Rollins to Reyes as well.
What’s not to like? Wright would be an upgrade over the 36 year old Polanco going forward.
Get back to me when liking Wright becomes a rumor and develops into talks about a trade.
i would not touch Ryan Zimmerman until he shows me he can throw to first. Plus, he gets hurt his fair share too.
Wright to the Phillies would be a PR disaster. In that ballpark he could hit 40 dingers along with 125 Ribbies.
Thank god they didn’t have blogs in the late 70′s when the Mets ownership decided to trade everything that wasn’t nailed down and attendance dropped to 750,000.
No offense meant to any individual but this is one of the most short sighted discussions I’ve read in a while.
Have we really come to this as Mets’ fans. We have two all-stars in their prime on the club – the team doesn’t have much more and there is a faction that wants to let one of them go and trade the other.
Have another cup of the Madoff Kool-Aid.
This is sad.
Wouldn’t it be odd if they went after and got reyes and then traded for Wright?
What would all the folks who say we can’t win WITH them do if the Phillies DO win WITH them?
Sandy would be run out of town in a year if he allowed that to happen!
I don’t think so. Everyone who knows anything about baseball woud know that the Phillies won because they have a sick SP staff.