For The First Time In Ten Years, Jose Reyes Is Not On The Mets 40-Man Roster

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• Bayonne Mets Fan October 30, 2011 at 10:26 pm

  I hate this front office. Hiring this crew may could prove to be a major disaster.

  Oh My God, i never thought I would ever see an intentional attempt to not compete at this level
  I just wish the owners hired a baseball oriented GM that wanted to try an win with whatever financial constraints they were given. At least TRY AND WIN FOR GOD SAKES! This is the business of competition and yes that included working in a front office that competes with other front offices. It’s the business of competition from top to bottom.

  You can try and win with whatever money you have and build at the same time. Any professional baseball general manager can try and do that. Just the Mets luck they get a GM who does not, instead they get a GM who does not care to compete while trying to fool the fan base that they’re waiting for the kids.

  I hate this front office and I wish we had a different one. It’s as simple as that.
  • darknova October 30, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    So the front office isn’t going to try to win? Are you basing that statement on actual facts or just going overboard to get attention?
    • Bayonne Mets Fan October 30, 2011 at 11:16 pm

      Not going overboard at all. Everything i said there is based on MY opinion after assessing this front office for a year and also, in MY opinion, after they gave a half-hearted attempt to compete last off season. And why do I say that? Because in MY OPINION the FO felt that the team they inherited wasn’t good enough to compete this off season so they gave a minimal effort last winter.

      And all season long it seemed if like Alderson was waiting…just waiting for this team to collapse so he can start to tear it apart. I hate the guy and I hate this front office. This is the business of COMPETITION and competition starts AT THE TOP.

      That’s MY OPINION.
      • darknova October 30, 2011 at 11:21 pm

        What could they have done last offseason to make you believe they were trying to compete, and would any of those moves have been affordable/realistic/etc? I’m really curious what brought you to where you hate this front office, and what specific things you think they should’ve and could’ve done to make things better for 2011.
        • Metsie October 31, 2011 at 12:04 pm

          Could have made contact with Cliff Lee maybe….
          Could have extended Reyes…
          Could have signed Cabrera…
          Could have singed Balfour…

          VinnyB has a much better list of guys we could have gotten who got paid the same and did better than what we got!

          Let me guess this is where you blame Wilpon for not doing any of that?
    • Metsie October 31, 2011 at 11:07 am

      We base it on the limitations it puts on itself to keeping good players in favor of buying cheap KMart crap!
      • Des October 31, 2011 at 11:35 am

        Who is ‘We’? It’s not a tag team entry from the Core, is it?
        • Metsie October 31, 2011 at 11:54 am

          Those who do not believe Sandy is trying to win!

          There are quite a few of us it’s just that we don’t write an article a day like those trying to make Sandy look good or making Wilpon excuses for setting the budget so low he can’t even keep the HOMEGROWN players everyone claims are so important to building a winning franchise!

          It is said we can’t win WITH Reyes so don’t sign him…
          If we can’t win with him what makes you think we can win without him?

          And if we can’t win with him and win less without him how can you say Sandy is TRYING to win more games?

          When is he trying for 2015?
          Cause thats the earliest this DRAFT HOARD BUILD FROM WITHIN plan can succeed!
          And Sandy won’t even be here by the time that happens if he gets rid of reyes, Wright and gets nothing to draw people into the seats!
  • Donal October 31, 2011 at 9:23 am

    “I hate this front office”

    And in other news Generalissimo Fransisco Franco is still dead.

    “Hiring this crew may could prove to be a major disaster.”

    I believe in the military, that is referred to as SNAFU.

    “Oh My God”

    Don’t bother calling Him for help. He gave up on us long ago.

    “i never thought I would ever see an intentional attempt to not compete at this level”

    Well ,you’re obviously new to baseball and haven’t seen too much of it.

    “I just wish the owners hired a baseball oriented GM that wanted to try an win with whatever financial constraints they were given.”

    That is exactly what they are trying to do. You just equate spending with winning.

    “You can try and win with whatever money you have and build at the same time.”

    You can’t do both when you’re not built to do either. Everyone keeps saying “Why not do both at the same time?” Mainly because you have to be good at one before you can pick up that second attribute.

    “Any professional baseball general manager can try and do that.”

    Any professional baseball general manager can go cutting checks to the biggest name out there. How has that worked out so far?

    “Just the Mets luck they get a GM who does not, instead they get a GM who does not care to compete while trying to fool the fan base that they’re waiting for the kids.”

    And that’s worse than trying to fool us into think Luis Castillo, Oliver Perez and Jason Bay were the keys to the World Series? Because that was a horrible sham. The sad part is there are still morons who go around trying to sell it to us.

    “I hate this front office and I wish we had a different one. It’s as simple as that.”

    Yup, simple definitely applies here.
    • Metsie October 31, 2011 at 11:08 am

      “Any professional baseball general manager can go cutting checks to the biggest name out there. How has that worked out so far?”
      16 playoffs, 5 WS wins in 7 Appearances over the last 17 years!

      I would say it worked out pretty well!
      • Donal October 31, 2011 at 11:19 am

        Ya, I remember the day they got Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Andy Petite, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera and Robinson Cano off the free agent market.

        And its not like they spent a few years being crappy after spending too much on free agents that didn’t produce. Gene Michael certainly didn’t spend a few years acquiring and developing young talent that ended up either playing for the team or traded to bring in valuable players (Roberto Kelly, Alfonso Soriano).

        Yes, baseball history began in 1996. And you don’t at all look like a fanboy shill that writes worse than Heyman.
        • Metsie October 31, 2011 at 11:43 am

          “And its not like they spent a few years being crappy after spending too much on free agents that didn’t produce. ”

          Your right they didn’t spend on FAs that didn’t produce, It wasn’t their FA SPENDING that made them suck, They traded away their farm to get them (which you and Tag propose to do now like the Phillies)
          That depleted their Farm NOT the signing of Free Agents that doesn’t cost them 3 or 4 players to get and at best costs only a bottom 10 pick in the first and second rounds.

          You see this is the problem you have!
          The Yankees didn’t BUILD their team they built a 4 player core! Cano is only a recent development of thiers and they have him because they STOPPED trading farm wholesale to get guys they can BUY and not have to give up players for!

          They have been buying ever since and mostly pitching and are even willing to pay CC more than 25 Milo per season…

          Something you would never do because you think the Pirates are a force to be dealt with in the MLB!
• srt October 30, 2011 at 10:45 pm

  Yeah, pretty sure there was no way Reyes’s agent would ever recommend Jose take the first offer given to him by the hometown team. Even if the plan is to resign with the Mets if at all possible, any good agent is going to advise his client to file and listen to all offers. Gotta drive that price up so he gets his commission on any contract Jose eventually signs.

  It’s all business and nothing but. That includes the Mets FO.

  Have my fingers crossed Jose returns but other than that, not expecting much in 2012. Too many question marks, too many holes and not enough young talent on the farm ready. Couple that with a weak FA market after Jose, Pujols and Fielder, when we need pitching – is going to mean Sandy’s going to have to be creative, to say the least.

  I expect some competent BP arms and if the team stays relatively healthy we might be able to compete next year even with what I’m predicting early will be another mediocre SP staff.
  • darknova October 30, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Agreed. This coming season will be what this past season was, full of evaluation for the future. The team needs to see what Santana can give them. Can someone other than Dickey step up in the rotation and be something to build around? Can Niese finally the step forward that people keep expecting? Relief pitching is always unpredictable, though the cheapest part of the team to make changes to year-to-year.

    There’s a lot of question marks this off-season, just like last year. Sandy’s got a large uphill battle ahead of him.
  • Joe Diaz October 31, 2011 at 3:43 am

    It’s an awful situation to be in for a GM.If he signs Reyes,then it pretty much hampers his ability to improve the team if the budget is only 110 Million.55 millionn are tied up in Bay,Santana and Wright,add 25million to all the arbitration eligables and thats 80 million,Reyes at 20 million at the least and that’s 100 million.
    How in the world are they going to improve the starting pitching and bullpen with 10 million.Even if Reyes signs and takes less in year one meaning only 15 in 2012,that still only leaves 15 million to improve the rest of the team.
    I find it funny how some people will blame Alderson if Reyes walks and for only working with a 110 million dollar payroll as if the GM sets the budget but when Jason Bay was the only player brought 2 offseasons ago and no pitchers were brought in besides the 2 Japanese pitchers,then everybody blamed the Wilpons for not wanting to spend more money.
    Blame Wilpon for not wanting to spend more money with Minaya as GM and put the blame on Alderson for Wilpon not wanting to spend now.It’s nothing but pure hatred for a GM because of his sabermetric philosophy.I guess the spend and lose philosophy was better.
• Nester October 30, 2011 at 11:04 pm

  Small steps Joe D., small steps. Sometimes you have to take one step backwards before you move three steps forward.
• Des October 31, 2011 at 12:00 am

  Tim Byrdak and D.J. Carrasco. Now that’s a formula for success! Our pitching is likely to be terrible if these guys are any indication.
• Matt October 31, 2011 at 12:09 am

  Get ready for years 5 and 6 (2009 and 2010 were wastes too) of the throw away years as 2012 and 2013 look pretty bleak. Bye Jose, you have been my favorite Met for the past half decade…you deserve better and I hope you find it (of course, at this point, the Nats are “better”).
• nathan October 31, 2011 at 1:59 am

  I do not see how letting Jose go to FA without even making an attempt at an offer is a good thing. It tells me and I imagine him that the team is not interested in his service.
  • Donal October 31, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Letting the other guy believe you’re willing to walk away is usually considered a good negotiating ploy.
    • Metscentric October 31, 2011 at 9:27 am

      So you’re saying the Mets will re-sign Reyes and what we are seeing here is a negotiating ploy like no other?
      • Donal October 31, 2011 at 9:53 am

        If I could predict the future like that, I’d spend less time here and more at the track.

        And if you think this ploy has never been tried before, I’d love to start negotiating some deals with you.
      • Met Maniac October 31, 2011 at 10:14 am

        This is hilarious. Yes, what we are seeing is the mind of a genius at work. Daniels, Cashman, Towers, Melvin and Mozeliak are all idiots for negotiating with their free agents during their exclusive negotiating window. Obviously, they are not as smart as Sandy Alderson who is light years ahead of them when it comes to brain power. Why do they even have exclusive negotiating windows anyway? They should do away with them. There is no advantage to negotiating exclusively with a player before he hits the open market. Look at what happened with Mike Piazza. Oh wait, bad example, he signed his deal with Mets during the exclusive window. Donal is such a shill for Alderson he hasn’t an ounce of objectivity left in him. Hilarious.
        • Donal October 31, 2011 at 10:26 am

          And which one of them had a situation like Reyes? Or do you think the Jeter negotiation went smoothly?
        • JoeSmith November 1, 2011 at 7:41 am

          What facts do you have that everyone is negotiating except Alderson? Are you a member of the FO? Is Alderson just reading MMO all day instead of working?

          The irrational hatred for a guy on November 1 is reaching new heights…….

          Funny how YOU call someone out for not having an ounce of objectivity…….another one on the list of Hippocrates around here.
• Donal October 31, 2011 at 9:05 am

  A whole lot of people upset about something that hasn’t happened yet. I guess the best way to negotiate with someone is to fall on the ground in front of them, kissing their feet, telling them you need them more than life itself.
  • BXMets October 31, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Time to make the donuts.

    “There’s little evidence the Mets would go over five years for Reyes, the very talented and beloved but injury-prone homegrown star. And that just isn’t likely to be good enough. Reyes is known to want to stay in Queens, but the cash-strapped Mets, who have spoken of cutting their payroll by $30-to-40 million just don’t seem very likely to be close to the high bigger.” ~ Jon Heyman, SI.com
    • JoeSmith November 1, 2011 at 7:39 am

      Jon Heyman is the same guy that reported that the Mets would not leave the winter meetings with a closer, then the very next morning an announcement was made that they signed KROD………..yeah, he’s SO reliable………..
    • Donal November 1, 2011 at 10:10 am

      Yankee mouthpieces mean little to me.

      Besides, where is the evidence that anyone is willing to go over 5 years with him?
• Mr North Jersey October 31, 2011 at 5:07 pm

  One can understand a fans desire to hear a resolution involving Reyes. It can be difficult I suppose especially if you already are of the belief that Reyes is about as good as gone.

  Now with the start of the Hot Stove begins the rumors and reports from the infamous “according to sources” that will have us reacting to them in varying degrees.

  Welcome to another Hot Stove season.