I don’t think Bay will start out platooning but by June I expect to see more of his AB’s against RHP going to others.

When he said something incorrect about valuing OBP?

When I said he was over managing his pitchers? Hate to tell you, but I am so not alone in that opinion. Plenty of players/managers/mainstream journalists say the same thing.

Does that mean I think he knows nothing or is a horrible manager? No. Not at all.

He said one goofy thing in an interview. Big deal.

And the actual in-game stuff is such a small part of being a manager. Outside of looking out for players’ health, what is he doing? Calling defensive alignments? Veteran players should be able to do that. Even if they can’t, he has a coaching staff for a reason.

That’s why it is so easy for him to over manage.

The real part of being a manager comes before and after the game. Dealing with the big egos, the press, monitoring injuries, keeping in touch with the farm system, going over game tapes and scouting reports of other teams, dealing with the FO, scheduling practices, doing media events etc etc

From all reports, LaRussa excels at that stuff. Especially with the crap that surrounded the team this year.

So, no, I’m not saying LaRussa knows nothing or that he’s a bad manager. I’m saying there are 2 instances that he messed up.

But his premise isn’t wrong, it just has nothing to do with OBP specifically. Allow me to demonstrate.

“Batting average is one of the most dangerous concepts of the last seven, eight years because it forces some executives and coaches and players to think that it’s all about swinging at everything to try and get hits…”

Or

“Home runs is one of the most dangerous concepts of the last seven, eight years because it forces some executives and coaches and players to think that it’s all about swinging from the heels and for the fences to try and hit it out…”

Now isn’t that stupid? Yes. But is it wrong? No. Over-reliance on any one thing is never good, and that’s what he was getting at. It had nothing to do with putting down OBP or sabermetrics as some would love it to be. They twist our words a lot, seems they can twist LaRussa’s, too.

Then when people question that quote you scoff and act as though it’s true because LaRussa said so. And anybody who disagrees with that point should not be listened to.

But then you yourself disagree with LaRussa on another subject. So, why is that fair? How come you are allowed to disagree with LaRussa, but Donal and Xtreem are not?

Don’t be mad simply because I proved a very valid point to you that not everything LaRussa says is right. It’s okay to read something and go “good point.”

What I’m trying to do is show you that just because LaRussa said it, doesn’t mean people like Donal don’t have the right to disagree with him simply because of who he is.

Hey you disagree with LaRussa, nobody is saying you don’t have the right to do so are they? So why is it so absurd for Donal and Xtreem to disagree on his statements?

How come if somebody like Donal or Xtreem disagree with LaRussa, they get attacked and scoffed at because the great Tony LaRussa has spoken.

Yet you’re allowed to disagree with LaRussa on his methods of building a lineup?

Bayonne Mets Fan: i don’t like batting the pitcher 8th
jessep: why not Bayonne?
jessep: I don’t either but I wonder if we agree as to why?
Bayonne Mets Fan: it gives him more times AB
Bayonne Mets Fan: the closer you are to the top of the order the more frequent your chances are to hit
Bayonne Mets Fan: I also like the pitcher hitting 9th because of the chances of him sacrificing a runner to 2B with top of order coming up

So apparently we’re only going to do cartwheels about his quotes yestrday. We’re going toignore the fact we fundamentally disagree with him on the way he formulates a batting order.

Funny, this quote keeps popping up in my head “So Tony LaRussa is wrong now – incredible. Absolutely incredible.”

Have a great day.

Because you Donal and WHO MAKE it personal almost from the get go!
Your first line is always something aboput the poster not the point!

And most of us are tired of it!
So we are giving it back and that is what caused this personal attack flurry we have been talking about here!

I tell you what You get your side to stop and I’ll do what I can to get those on the other side to stop.

You game?
Or are you happier just letting one side beat up on the poster while trying to restrain the other?

“How come if somebody like Donal or Xtreem disagree with LaRussa,they get attacked and scoffed at because the great Tony LaRussa has spoken”

No they get attacked for saying the guy knows nothing and then repeats what he said as proof that he was wrong!

You’re a sniveling little coward who’s never played a sport in his life, always the last kid picked and…and i don’t know what the hell you are…but you sure as hell dont’ come across as college educated.

You’re a disgrace and should not be a writer on this site.

Are you that STUPID?

Because i like something a person does you’re supposed to like EVERYTHING THEY DO? Are you kidding me? You’re going to these lengths for that?

And you’re supposed to be college educated YOU JERK!
You deserve to be called names for pulling a stunt like this.

I liked Collins but don’t like everything he does. Anyway can say that about any Manager or GM..or ANYTHING in life.

You are really a piece of work. Spoken like a TRUE individual that has never played any sport in his entire life

You tried to set me up, i answered the question from an HONEST baseball standpoint and you wind up making yourself look like the instigating JACKASS Maniac says you are…and it’s TRUE

But then again what the hell do you know about anything you even called the guy who made your OWN argument a know nothing!

“In my Markov tests in The Book, putting the pitcher 9th or 7th was breakeven, with 8th being the optimal spot, but on the order of 2-3 runs or so.”

Besides, pinch hitters aren’t really good hitters, otherwise they would be starters.

Also, what if a run scoring chance happens in the first inning with his spot coming up? Do you pull your starter then?

You put your best hitters up early so they can get the most PAs and can take advantage of each other’s production.

You accept the fact that your pitcher is there to pitch and not hit.

And…what exactly do you think he is saying in there? It’s not what you think.